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Don't believe the polls: Trump's populist presidency may carry him to victory in 2020


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2020 Jun 21, 11:01am   2,597 views  72 comments

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https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/503714-dont-believe-the-polls-trumps-populist-presidency-may-carry-him-to-victory

After all, if all the polling data up to the day of the 2016 election was correct, Hillary Clinton would be president. Polling is an art as well as a science. Evaluating raw polling data depends on the perceptions — or misperceptions — of those doing the polling.

President Trump’s enduring strength emanates from his being a populist president. Populist candidates and leaders, like Trump, reach out to the common citizens who believe that their interests and concerns have not been addressed by the established government, economic, and social institutions. Trump pledged to be the voice of the forgotten man and woman.

Trump’s populist messages and actions in office have been directed towards his loyal and supportive base — the “forgotten,” the non-college educated and working class (especially in small towns and rural areas), Evangelical Christians and social and cultural conservatives, as well as conservative Republicans.

And it’s working. ...

Democrats, barring a charismatic and transformative candidate like Barack Obama — which Biden is not — need a robust economic plan based on a rebirth of the manufacturing base. The tragedy of an America dependent on foreign suppliers — even for its own medical equipment, protective masks and garments — is reason enough to rebuild our manufacturing capacity.

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58   komputodo   2020 Jun 24, 2:55pm  

socal2 says
komputodo says
History isn't statues...it's in your mind...It's your job to teach your children.


Sure - but when your kids come home from school being taught bastardized Howard Zinn or 1619 History, it makes it alot harder to keep your kids from turning into Democrat retards.

Look at it in another light...Your kids will get 2 opposing viewpoints instead of straight up indoctrination. This will be a lesson in critical thinking. It's much better to learn how to think instead of just memorization.
59   socal2   2020 Jun 25, 11:42am  

This is a powerful GOP ad that I think will get alot of traction over the next 4 months.

www.youtube.com/embed/YZe5qm8dN-w
61   mell   2020 Jun 25, 1:15pm  

Every rays! Cyst! Name change is +100 voters for Orange! MAN! BAD!
62   rdm   2020 Jun 25, 1:45pm  

TrumpingTits says
rdm says
Coal is essentially dead, as it should be


Tell that to the Indians, Chinese and a whole slew of nations that don't seem to give a flying fuck what rdm says on the subject.

They are building new coal plants and plan to build more, while outright lying about it.
Well said. It was amazing to me a few months ago when at lunch with colleagues how clueless they are about coal. Their thinking was that if just those "backwards" people in Pennsylvania would stop mining coal we'd be halfway towards global cooling or something. Nobody would believe the enormous rate at which China is building new coal-fired plants until I found information on the internet.


...and add Japan to that list:


The point is in this country coal is on its way out, Trumps much balloyed resurrection strategy has done little to nothing. Market forces are doing what environmentalists were unable to accomplish...in this country. If other countries wish to use a filthy 19th century fuel there isn't much we can do about it. Plus it has gotten so mechanized that the number of jobs is quite small. Trump can and will have W. Virginia and Kentucky Dem fuckups or not. He needs Mich. Wisc. and Penn. right now they look like a reach. And he has no where to expand his map from 2016 while Biden does. The trend is your friend and the trend for now looks bleak for the Maga Boy 2020. Enjoy his ineptitude while you have him.
63   rdm   2020 Jun 25, 1:53pm  

Rin says
And for the most part, you just need a utility or rental bill to get on the voting roster


Surely you have to be a legal resident of the state you vote in? Don't want you encouraging voter fraud. Of course only Dems do that. From what I understand residence typically requires having your permanent residence there for 6 months plus a day, there are exceptions. I could be wrong but I know people who do this in Florida to avoid both the cold and the income tax in a northern state.
64   Rin   2020 Jun 25, 1:56pm  

rdm says
having your permanent residence there for 6 months plus a day


Already done.
65   socal2   2020 Jun 25, 2:11pm  

rdm says
Market forces are doing what environmentalists were unable to accomplish...in this country.


Yep - despite the Environmental Commie's best efforts, Market Forces have displaced coal with cleaner burning Natural Gas thanks to the miracle of fracking - making us an energy exporter and reducing our carbon footprint.

If Hillary was President, America would still be sucking OPEC and Russia's cock needing their dirty oil while increasing our carbon emissions.
66   Rin   2020 Jun 25, 4:30pm  

TrumpingTits says
And while it will never come back from before Obama destroyed it, it isn't on the way out because of export markets to other nations like China, India and Japan. We will -- if we aren't already -- become a net coal exporter just like we are a net oil exporter.


This is true and coal is also a base component for both the chemical industries as well as steel manufacturing. It doesn't have to be strictly used for power generation though South Africa (Sasol corp) has successfully converted coal to gasoline for decades. The US also has a Sasol type of facility up in North Dakota.
67   rdm   2020 Jun 25, 4:48pm  

TrumpingTits says

No, you didn't say that. You are moving the goal posts when you were outed for saying bullshit, that's all


Yeah, whatever, "Coal is essentially dead, as it should be" was made in the context of Biden and Clinton's statements in coal country. Try reading the whole thread its about the election.

TrumpingTits says
We will -- if we aren't already -- become a net coal exporter j


And still the industry is dying, or is there an argument that it is thriving after 3.5 years of Trump? If you think exports will save the Eastern mining jobs, better get your ticket on Mr. Peabody's train before they are sold out. The export market is or was primarily for low sulfur coal mined by strip mining in the West. Oh that's a beautiful thing to base your economy on.
68   Rin   2020 Jun 25, 4:52pm  

Coal mining, as a long term career, won't come back.

But instead of training ppl to become let's say an HVAC repairmen (Amy Klobuchar's idea) instead of telling 'em to get a computer science degree or attend Yale Law, is not the way to win the vote of the rust belt worker.

Both Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden, played the white collar card to their disadvantage.
69   rdm   2020 Jun 25, 4:54pm  

Rin says
It doesn't have to be strictly used for power generation though South Africa (Sasol corp) has successfully converted coal to gasoline for decades. The US also has a Sasol type of facility up in North Dakota.


True and how does that compete in a world awash in oil? Countries convert coal to a liquid fuel typically because they cant buy oil, for one reason or another. It makes little to no economic sense, particularly today.
70   rdm   2020 Jun 25, 5:00pm  

Rin says
But instead of training ppl to become let's say an HVAC repairmen (Amy Klobuchar's idea) instead of telling 'em to get a computer science degree or attend Yale Law, is not the way to win the vote of the rust belt worker.

Both Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden, played the white collar card to their disadvantage.


Yes I agree. So Trump lied to them and The Dems didn't understand that these guys had honorable professions that provided for their families and now they are fucked. But its not coming back. I think Biden has a better understanding of this than Clinton. Whether he can enunciate clearly and connect to these guys like the the Dems of old is another question.
71   Rin   2020 Jun 25, 5:02pm  

rdm says
Whether he can enunciate clearly and connect to these guys like the the Dems of old is another question.


So far, it isn't happening. In fact, he can't even connect with Massachusetts/Vermont moderates, his base.

And I doubt anything will change between now and mid-Oct, as his dementia or let's say early-onset dementia, becomes more apparent.
72   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2020 Jun 25, 5:18pm  

socal2 says
rdm says
I must admit I didn't know what "cancel culture" is. I could care less, from a personal standpoint it is meaningless.


FFS - it is kind of you to admit that you live in a total bubble.

In case you have missed it over the last few weeks, our Founding Fathers are getting "cancelled" all over the country being called racists and having their statues ripped down by your Taliban brothers.

The National Anthem is being cancelled at sporting events. Aunt Jemima? Eskimo Pies? Uncle Bens?

Our entire fucking history is being cancelled with the NYTimes B.S. 1619 project now being taught at our schools.


Maybe a Euro. There was another poster here (or probably the same person under a different screen name) who claimed he had never heard of the TV show cops.

It’s impossible that an American hasn’t heard of a e decade long television show that is so deeply ingrained in American culture...akin to any American aged 35 or older claiming not to know what The Dukes of Hazard is.

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