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Patrick
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2020 Jul 12, 9:33pm
Patrick
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2020 Jul 12, 9:33pm
Primary sources of incitement to leftist hate and murder:
Google
Grievance Studies programs at universities
NY Times
NPR
Wikipedia editors
Washington Post
CNN
Grievance Studies programs at universities
NY Times
NPR
Wikipedia editors
Washington Post
CNN
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Patrick
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2020 Jul 12, 10:34pm
Patrick
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2020 Jul 12, 10:34pm
https://newdiscourses.com/2020/02/naming-enemy-critical-social-justice/#comment-499
(Leftists do) not respect human dignity. On the contrary, (they) attempt to destroy individuals in the collective (social) pursuit of revenge (justice) for past wrongs. When social justice crusaders disregard the humanity of their targets and abandon the dignity of themselves and others, it is because they think they have found something more important. Or because they have forgotten dignity. Remind them.
When they cry out, “don’t you believe in justice?”, the answer is not, “yes, but not like that.” It is rather, “don’t you think that all human beings deserve dignity?” The instant they answer that question, (“yes, but dignity demands justice”), they have accepted your frame, and you have won.
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Patrick
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2020 Jul 12, 10:36pm
Patrick
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2020 Jul 12, 10:36pm
https://newdiscourses.com/2020/02/naming-enemy-critical-social-justice/#comment-633
social justice is about justice for groups. That is what is wrong with it. The concept cannot be applied without adopting the attitude that people are to be viewed through the filter of group membership. This point of view is exactly the rationale of the KKK, the Khmer Rouge, the Nazi party, etc. It is the mindset that leads cops to interrogate people who seem to be the wrong color for the neighborhood. There can be no justice for groups, only for individuals regardless of any groups they may belong to.
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Patrick
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2020 Jul 13, 6:38am
Patrick
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2020 Jul 13, 6:38am
I don't want to see anyone injured like that, not even violent leftists. They should just be in prison for their crimes, hopefully for very long sentences.
We all need to stand up against leftist hate and violence as peacefully as possible.
We all need to stand up against leftist hate and violence as peacefully as possible.
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WookieMan
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2020 Jul 13, 7:35am
WookieMan
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2020 Jul 13, 7:35am
Patrick says
I'd agree with this sentiment. Just arrest them and put them in jail. Regardless of the person, I have no interest in seeing someone injured like that at all. At some point these little boys become men and may start actually coming after people in a scary way. It only escalates the stupidity of what should be a conversation about ideas and laying out why they think something like BLM, matters in any meaningful way.
You have to shed light on the absolute flawed logic of BLM. Yes, you'll get called racist. But at some point, the pure stupidity of the movement is going to shine through when there's 50-60 dead during weekend violence in Chicago. It's coming. Cops have been neutered and the deaths/data will show this. I'd stay out of bad areas of all cities for a while.
I don't want to see anyone injured like that, not even violent leftists. They should just be in prison for their crimes, hopefully for very long sentences.
We all need to stand up against leftist hate and violence as peacefully as possible.
I'd agree with this sentiment. Just arrest them and put them in jail. Regardless of the person, I have no interest in seeing someone injured like that at all. At some point these little boys become men and may start actually coming after people in a scary way. It only escalates the stupidity of what should be a conversation about ideas and laying out why they think something like BLM, matters in any meaningful way.
You have to shed light on the absolute flawed logic of BLM. Yes, you'll get called racist. But at some point, the pure stupidity of the movement is going to shine through when there's 50-60 dead during weekend violence in Chicago. It's coming. Cops have been neutered and the deaths/data will show this. I'd stay out of bad areas of all cities for a while.
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Patrick
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2020 Jul 13, 8:28am
Patrick
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2020 Jul 13, 8:28am
Yes, it's ironic but true that removing police from crime-ridden areas is just going to get many more people killed.
Those areas need more police, not fewer.
BLM is getting people killed, both by inciting leftist violence and by undermining police protection.
Those areas need more police, not fewer.
BLM is getting people killed, both by inciting leftist violence and by undermining police protection.
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Patrick
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2020 Jul 13, 5:38pm
Patrick
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2020 Jul 13, 5:38pm
Not after the leftist start outright murdering people.
It's not very civil, and they incite, abet, and excuse leftist violence.
When they choose to give up their hate and violence, then they can come back. As of right now, there is zero sign of that.
BLM is a murder cult.
It's not very civil, and they incite, abet, and excuse leftist violence.
When they choose to give up their hate and violence, then they can come back. As of right now, there is zero sign of that.
BLM is a murder cult.
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Patrick
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2020 Jul 13, 8:16pm
Patrick
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2020 Jul 13, 8:16pm
Patrick says
This is really a key point in resisting group cults like BLM.
We are individuals, and individually responsible for our own actions. No one should be blamed or praised for the actions of others.
So the platform for resistance should start with that.
1. All individuals are responsible for their own actions alone. No one is responsible for anyone else's action.
2. The traditional heterosexual nuclear family of father, mother, and their own biological children is the greatest good.
3. The US Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and flag should be honored. All who are capable must stand during the National Anthem or leave the event.
4. There must be no discrimination based on race whatsoever. We are all equal citizens under the law with exactly the same rights to all government programs.
5. We should rebuild two historic statues for each one torn down by the mob.
That's just off the top of my head.
There can be no justice for groups, only for individuals
This is really a key point in resisting group cults like BLM.
We are individuals, and individually responsible for our own actions. No one should be blamed or praised for the actions of others.
So the platform for resistance should start with that.
1. All individuals are responsible for their own actions alone. No one is responsible for anyone else's action.
2. The traditional heterosexual nuclear family of father, mother, and their own biological children is the greatest good.
3. The US Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and flag should be honored. All who are capable must stand during the National Anthem or leave the event.
4. There must be no discrimination based on race whatsoever. We are all equal citizens under the law with exactly the same rights to all government programs.
5. We should rebuild two historic statues for each one torn down by the mob.
That's just off the top of my head.
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Misc
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2020 Jul 14, 4:25am
Prior to the COVID lockdowns the unemployment rate was 3.5%.Today the unemployment rate is 11.1%. Including those who have part time jobs, but want full time jobs it is 18%. For July 23% of renters did not make their rent payment (this is about 25 million people), and this was through no fault of their own. They were working prior to government mandated lockdowns.
1. All individuals are responsible for their own actions alone. No one is responsible for anyone else's action.
As a society, we should at this point embrace a certain amount of socialism so as to not economically displace 25 million people. To have the Fed and Federal government bail out the rich and well connected, but let the commoners face homelessness would disintegrate the country. The BLM protests were quaint as very few people died. There is no telling the number of people that could be killed if we just let things take their course.
1. All individuals are responsible for their own actions alone. No one is responsible for anyone else's action.
As a society, we should at this point embrace a certain amount of socialism so as to not economically displace 25 million people. To have the Fed and Federal government bail out the rich and well connected, but let the commoners face homelessness would disintegrate the country. The BLM protests were quaint as very few people died. There is no telling the number of people that could be killed if we just let things take their course.
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ignoreme
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2020 Jul 14, 4:52am
Misc says
Your logic doesn’t add up. Unemployment with the added Fed money is more then most people were making before they lost their jobs. So the reason rent wasn’t paid wasn’t due to lack of income.
A better guess would be that rent wasn’t paid because currently evictions are suspended. I personally know people skipping their mortgage payments for this reason.
I don’t see how socialism helps here. Government caused this problem with unnecessary shutdowns and suspension of evictions. Why keep digging the hole with another government program?
For July 23% of renters did not make their rent payment (this is about 25 million people), and this was through no fault of their own
Your logic doesn’t add up. Unemployment with the added Fed money is more then most people were making before they lost their jobs. So the reason rent wasn’t paid wasn’t due to lack of income.
A better guess would be that rent wasn’t paid because currently evictions are suspended. I personally know people skipping their mortgage payments for this reason.
I don’t see how socialism helps here. Government caused this problem with unnecessary shutdowns and suspension of evictions. Why keep digging the hole with another government program?
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WookieMan
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2020 Jul 14, 5:09am
WookieMan
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2020 Jul 14, 5:09am
Misc says
Why did 23% not make their rent payment? I keep hearing these stats and most the time no one links anything. If you're laid off you're still making $2,500/mo plus normal UE benefits. Plus you likely got the full $1,200. A family of 4 could have gotten $3,400. Divide that over 3 months and it's $1,133/mo, plus $2,500/mo, plus whatever UE benefits for a family of four. And if both adults got laid off that $2,500/mo is now $5,000/mo.
Then account for not being able to travel early on. You're just buying groceries for the most part. Little to no eating out. No entertainment/sports. Basically you're spending way less.
If you're not paying rent, it's because you're a deadbeat or gaming the system because you know you can't get evicted. Median family income is around $60k. These benefits are as good if not more if both are unemployed than normal pay for over half the country. August will be the real month to watch. I think some of these stats being tossed around are pure BS.
For July 23% of renters did not make their rent payment (this is about 25 million people), and this was through no fault of their own.
Why did 23% not make their rent payment? I keep hearing these stats and most the time no one links anything. If you're laid off you're still making $2,500/mo plus normal UE benefits. Plus you likely got the full $1,200. A family of 4 could have gotten $3,400. Divide that over 3 months and it's $1,133/mo, plus $2,500/mo, plus whatever UE benefits for a family of four. And if both adults got laid off that $2,500/mo is now $5,000/mo.
Then account for not being able to travel early on. You're just buying groceries for the most part. Little to no eating out. No entertainment/sports. Basically you're spending way less.
If you're not paying rent, it's because you're a deadbeat or gaming the system because you know you can't get evicted. Median family income is around $60k. These benefits are as good if not more if both are unemployed than normal pay for over half the country. August will be the real month to watch. I think some of these stats being tossed around are pure BS.
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Misc
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2020 Jul 14, 5:35am
For those who were not making enough to qualify for Unemployment, those who had their hours cut but not terminated, or those who hadn't the 6 months of employment with their employer to qualify for unemployment the situation is dire. In most cases it takes more than one income to afford a rental unit in most cities. Therefore, if even one person is in these categories (along with the illegals) rent is not paid.
https://www.apartmentlist.com/research/july-housing-payments
If millions of families are facing homelessness, you ignore these statistics at the peril of the nation. I don't think 25 million people are trying to game the system by intentionally not paying rent.
More socialism is called for the lower echelons of society because they understand that the Fed just bought up 4 trillion dollars of worthless bonds to bail out Wall Street, the banks, and large corporations. Added to that is the $560 billion given to the well connected through the PPP program. So, yes, they can see the socialism for the rich quite well.
https://www.apartmentlist.com/research/july-housing-payments
If millions of families are facing homelessness, you ignore these statistics at the peril of the nation. I don't think 25 million people are trying to game the system by intentionally not paying rent.
More socialism is called for the lower echelons of society because they understand that the Fed just bought up 4 trillion dollars of worthless bonds to bail out Wall Street, the banks, and large corporations. Added to that is the $560 billion given to the well connected through the PPP program. So, yes, they can see the socialism for the rich quite well.
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WookieMan
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2020 Jul 14, 7:01am
WookieMan
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2020 Jul 14, 7:01am
Misc says
You're talking a tiny percentage of the population. 23% of renters not paying with only 11-18% unemployment that you mention, doesn't add up. I'd guess 80% of those on UE have worked the 6 months and or have made enough to qualify. They have the money. It was a survey of 4,000 renters through a survey monkey email. I'm skeptical of how they collected the data and that they have accurate information. Never even heard of apartment list.com and I previously working in RE for 14 years.
I'm just not seeing or hearing of anyone missing payments. At 23% someone would have hit my family up for cash or asked for help. Or asked friends. Hasn't happened.
Misc says
It's an employment agreement. There are two parties. Don't accept the cut in hours and they'll have to lay you off or fire you and you collect UE. Being fired for not accepting less hours does not hurt future employment for the most part. It's easily explainable with the current situation.
Watch August, but there's really no valid argument that 98% of the population cannot afford rent over the last couple months. The stimulus and UE benefits are clearly linked to the median family income. Government workers haven't been laid off. You're talking about restaurant workers and retail workers. If they worked for 6 months at an employer they are almost certainly making more money right now. There's no excuse for 23% of renters to stop payment outside of panic and hoarding cash with current UE levels.
For those who were not making enough to qualify for Unemployment
You're talking a tiny percentage of the population. 23% of renters not paying with only 11-18% unemployment that you mention, doesn't add up. I'd guess 80% of those on UE have worked the 6 months and or have made enough to qualify. They have the money. It was a survey of 4,000 renters through a survey monkey email. I'm skeptical of how they collected the data and that they have accurate information. Never even heard of apartment list.com and I previously working in RE for 14 years.
I'm just not seeing or hearing of anyone missing payments. At 23% someone would have hit my family up for cash or asked for help. Or asked friends. Hasn't happened.
Misc says
those who had their hours cut but not terminated
It's an employment agreement. There are two parties. Don't accept the cut in hours and they'll have to lay you off or fire you and you collect UE. Being fired for not accepting less hours does not hurt future employment for the most part. It's easily explainable with the current situation.
Watch August, but there's really no valid argument that 98% of the population cannot afford rent over the last couple months. The stimulus and UE benefits are clearly linked to the median family income. Government workers haven't been laid off. You're talking about restaurant workers and retail workers. If they worked for 6 months at an employer they are almost certainly making more money right now. There's no excuse for 23% of renters to stop payment outside of panic and hoarding cash with current UE levels.
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WookieMan
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2020 Jul 14, 7:03am
WookieMan
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2020 Jul 14, 7:03am
Independent contractors can even get the $600/wk bonus. They can easily qualify for loans as an IC too and stay afloat. The math doesn't add up from my end. I question everything at this point.
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Misc
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2020 Jul 14, 7:30am
The time for appeasement is before violence occurs. If it is done after violence takes place, there is never enough to quell the uprising.
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Misc
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2020 Jul 14, 7:46am
Oh, as a ballpark number for a 330000000 population, with about 65% of that in the workforce the difference between the 11.1% rate and the 18% rate is about 15 million working part time that want full time jobs. You ain't gonna make rent with a part time job and you don't get unemployment.
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Patrick
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2020 Jul 14, 7:55am
Patrick
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2020 Jul 14, 7:55am
Misc says
I agree. What I meant by responsibility for your own actions is that there is no collective guilt. Belonging to any particular race should not get you any blame or credit.
But Americans do have some responsibility to take care of their fellow Americans.
As a society, we should at this point embrace a certain amount of socialism so as to not economically displace 25 million people.
I agree. What I meant by responsibility for your own actions is that there is no collective guilt. Belonging to any particular race should not get you any blame or credit.
But Americans do have some responsibility to take care of their fellow Americans.
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If you attempt to wear a red MAGA hat in leftist-controlled states, you will likely be beaten or spat on.
There is nothing political that you can wear which would cause anyone on the right to beat you or spit on you in any state.
Matt Taibbi: The left has become exactly what they accused the right of being
Leftists violence threatens us all, and threatens the existence of the country.
The Unabomber, for all his faults, described leftism perfectly:
Academia incites leftist violence, billionaires abet it, and the media excuses it, if they report on it at all.
The left is rioting, looting, tearing down statues of all political figures, even abolitionists, and worst of all, murdering those who disagree. No one on the right is doing any such thing.
We need to speak up and remove all BLM cult signs, which are incitements to violence. Those signs promote hate, beatings, riots, lootings, and murder.
BLM and violent leftists are a cult which murders innocent people.
All the hate for Trump has become hate for orderly civil life, hate for mutual respect, and hate for calm reasoned debate. All TDS is incitement to violence.
To end leftist violence we first have to tell the truth about it (please mail p@patrick.net with more):
Leftist cancellations, boycotts, and threats:
Leftist firings and school suspensions:
Leftist beatings and shootings:
Leftist murders:
Special bonus deaths due to leftists:
How we got here.
We need to start a class action suit against BLM, NPR, the NY Times, and all of those leftists who have contributed toward making America a far more hateful and violent place. Incitement to violence is a crime.
The goal of all of this leftist discrimination and violence is ultimately genocide.