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Flatten the Curve


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2020 Jul 15, 3:31am   29,499 views  720 comments

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As the numbers of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths surge to record levels in multiple epicenters, local and state officials are struggling with whether and how much to reverse the rollback of restrictions on individuals and businesses. For example, following a gradual reopening over about a month, on Monday, California Gov. Gavin Newsom announced the reintroduction of statewide restrictions that would again shut down bars, all indoor dining, family entertainment, zoos and museums following a surge in coronavirus cases. The governors of Florida, Texas, and Arizona, all now epicenters of infection, have also slowed or reversed reopening, but their actions have been tepid. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is even insisting on opening schools in the face of record-high numbers of infections.

These officials would do well to recall the observation of The Great One. No, not Dr. Tony Fauci of the National Institutes of Health—the other one, hockey legend Wayne Gretzky, who once explained, “I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been.”

Anticipating what’s coming is important in confronting an infectious disease, especially one whose dynamics are what many infectious disease experts consider their worst nightmare. COVID-19 is highly infectious, has a lengthy incubation period (during which asymptomatic infected persons can unwittingly shed virus and infect other people), and causes serious, sometimes fatal illness.

Those unusual characteristics of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID-19, and the idiosyncrasies and spectrum of presentations of the illness—from pulmonary symptoms (including pneumonia and pulmonary fibrosis) to a range of non-respiratory manifestations, (including loss of sense of smell or taste, confusion and cognitive impairments, fainting, sudden muscle weakness or paralysis, seizures, ischemic strokes, kidney damage, and, rarely, a severe pediatric inflammatory syndrome) mean that we are on a steep learning curve.

The problem is: if we react too slowly to changing circumstances, we can fall off a metaphorical cliff.

There’s an old brain teaser that perfectly illustrates this point. Consider a pond of a certain size, on which there is a single lily pad. This particular species of lily pad reproduces and duplicates itself once a day, so that on day 2, you have two lily pads. On day 3, you have four; on day 4, you have eight; and so on. Here’s the teaser: if it takes the lily pads 48 days to cover the pond completely, how long will it take for the pond to be covered halfway?

The answer? 47 days. In just 24 hours, between day 47 and day 48, the lily pads would double in size and overtake the pond. Moreover, on day 40, the pond would still appear to be relatively clear; just eight days from the pond being completely covered, you’d hardly know the lily pads were there.

If the same thing happens with a virulent and highly contagious infectious agent, like the SARS-CoV-2 virus, you don’t know you’re in trouble until you wake up one morning to find that you’re overwhelmed. Like the lily pad example, the daily number of confirmed COVID-19 cases in the U.S. was 18,577 on June 15th—just three weeks later, on July 10th, the number had shot up to 66,281.

Dr. Anthony Fauci
Dr. Anthony Fauci

FLATTENING THE CURVE TO BEAT THE IMPENDING CLIFF

From early in the pandemic, the public health mantra worldwide has been: “flatten the curve.” That important concept, which was in vogue several months ago, seems largely forgotten today.

In the above graphic from the University of Michigan, the blue curve is the viral equivalent of the lily pads, suddenly covering the pond. It represents a large number of people (shown on the vertical axis) becoming infected over a short time (horizontal axis), and, in turn, overwhelming our health care system with people who need hospitalization, or even an Intensive Care Unit (ICU).

People won’t shop for non-essentials, fly, go to restaurants, theaters, and athletic events, or send their kids to school, when numbers of new cases are soaring.

If, however, political officials, individuals, and communities take steps to slow the virus’s spread, the cases of COVID-19 will stretch out across a more extended period, as depicted by the flatter, yellow curve. As long as the number of cases at any given time doesn’t bleed past the dotted line marking the capacity of our nation’s health care system, we’ll be able to accommodate everyone who is very sick.

Curve-flattening has fallen out of focus in recent months, in part because some political leaders reopened too aggressively and prematurely, basing policy on their constituents’ “pandemic fatigue,” instead of on the advice of epidemiologists and infectious disease experts.

But it’s still critical to avoid the pattern of the blue curve, not only to spare hospitals and ICUs—which are especially under stress in parts of Arizona, Florida, and Texas—but also so that we can continue the gradual reopening of the nation’s businesses and schools. Reopening relies on curve-flattening. As the NIH’s Dr. Tony Fauci says frequently, public health and economic considerations are not in opposition but are opposite sides of the same coin; we can’t fully restart and resume commerce until the pandemic is under some measure of control. People won’t shop for non-essentials, fly, go to restaurants, theaters, and athletic events, or send their kids to school, when numbers of new cases are soaring.

That means we need to start anticipating and stop playing catch-up—as the governors of Florida, Arizona, and Texas have been doing, relying on a combination of magical thinking, Happy Talk, and too-little-too-late remedies, instead of aggressive, evidence-based public health policies.

Arizona Governor Doug Ducey, for instance, has offered no strategy for blunting the spike in COVID-19 cases other than to keep repeating that there were enough hospital beds to treat those who fall ill. And yet, ICU beds and ventilators in use by suspected and confirmed COVID-19 patients in Arizona both hit new records on July 12th and were under stress, according to data reported by hospitals to the state.

On July 10th, a physicians group gathered outside Florida Governor DeSantis’s mansion in Tallahassee to urge him to issue an order mandating the use of face masks statewide, which arguably should have been done months ago. Masks have long been considered essential to slowing the spread of COVID-19, but, inexplicably, the Governor resisted. And only on July 10th did Texas Governor Greg Abbott finally mandate the wearing of face masks, and demand the prohibition of large gatherings and the closing of bars across the state.

Elected officials must heed Wayne Gretzky’s admonition and stay ahead of the coronavirus, in order to lower its rate of transmission. That’s the only way to slow the rise of new cases.

Evidence-based policies, such as requiring masks in public, prohibiting large indoor gatherings, and indoor dining at restaurants, are important. But as we’ve seen with California, even aggressive imposition of those kinds of strictures has not been sufficient—in large part because many people, especially younger ones, have failed to comply. As California allowed businesses and public places to reopen, bars, boardwalks, and beaches became crowded with large numbers of maskless patrons. It’s no wonder, then, that as of July 13th, hospitals in the state reported a 27.8% increase in hospitalized patients over the previous 14 days and a 19.9% increase in ICU patients over that same period. In fact, as a result of noncompliance, many local governments in the Golden State have had to coordinate with law enforcement agencies to issue citations and explore civil alternatives through code enforcement, environmental health, or other local government personnel.

Of course, the need for heightened consequences for noncompliance is unfortunate, but it will help to re-flatten the curve. That will spread out the demands on hospitals, which must have sufficient space, supplies, and healthy staff to care for all those who need hospital-level care—whether for COVID-19, a stroke, trauma, emergency surgery, or childbirth. It’s strong, but necessary, medicine—which possibly could have been avoided with more intense efforts to get the public to comply with wearing masks, social distancing, and frequent hand-washing.

If politicians properly understood their role in flattening the curve, they wouldn’t have to resort to policing and ticketing. They would instead launch a tsunami of public service announcements from all manner of dignitaries and celebrities, including prominent politicians, actors, rock stars, and athletes—maybe even The Great One himself—demonstrating how we can anticipate instead of falling behind the curve.

That non-coercive strategy could be a winner.


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Henry I. Miller, M.S., M.D.
Henry I. Miller, a physician and molecular biologist, is a Senior Fellow at the Pacific Research Institute. He was the founding director of the FDA’s Office of Biotechnology.


https://humanevents.com/2020/07/14/flattening-the-curve-is-still-the-right-answer/

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441   MrEd   2020 Aug 2, 8:06pm  

50% is not vast majority.
WookieMan says
You've done nothing to counter the fact that the vast majority of the public has been wearing masks for months now.
442   MrEd   2020 Aug 2, 8:09pm  

I'm not being fed anything.
Looking at virus stats round the world from numerous sources, looking at what successful countries are doing differently.
Thats it. Results speak louder than arguments.
WookieMan says
You're being fed bad information.
443   Onvacation   2020 Aug 2, 8:11pm  

#FUCKTHENEWNORMAL
444   MrEd   2020 Aug 2, 8:12pm  

Successful countries had it up to 95% until summer hit. Then the world went on vacation. Look at the worldwide hell now.
95% is superastronomical.
95% is what its going to take sans a vaccine or herd buffoonery.
Er immunity.
WookieMan says
Going from 0% mask wearers to 50% is astronomical. It's a 50 bagger statistically.
445   MrEd   2020 Aug 2, 8:19pm  

Think of mask compliance as gasoline, and noncompliance as water.
It only takes a little bit of water in the tank to fuck up the car.
50% ain't gonna cut it.
447   mell   2020 Aug 2, 8:28pm  

Italy had 8 deaths yesterday and 5 the day before, and just 238 new cases yesterday. Don't conflate cases with deaths. The Chinese virus disease is essentially gone in Italy.
448   MrEd   2020 Aug 2, 10:02pm  

WOW! What a coincidence!

mell says
Italy had 8 deaths yesterday and 5 the day before, and just 238 new cases yesterday. Don't conflate cases with deaths. The Chinese virus disease is essentially gone in Italy.

449   MrEd   2020 Aug 2, 10:03pm  

See OnVacation?
I look at world results and what the successful ones are doing.
Not anything from the MSM.
The proof is in the mask...lol
450   MrEd   2020 Aug 2, 10:04pm  

USA at 60% doesn't do shit...90+ baby and u got a winner..
451   RWSGFY   2020 Aug 3, 4:49am  

MrEd says
WOW! What a coincidence!

mell says
Italy had 8 deaths yesterday and 5 the day before, and just 238 new cases yesterday. Don't conflate cases with deaths. The Chinese virus disease is essentially gone in Italy.



Explain Germany.
452   RWSGFY   2020 Aug 3, 4:49am  

MrEd says
See OnVacation?
I look at world results and what the successful ones are doing.
Not anything from the MSM.
The proof is in the mask...lol


Like Germany?
453   RWSGFY   2020 Aug 3, 4:51am  

MrEd says
Successful countries had it up to 95% until summer hit.


Your own graph shows Germany at slightly above 60%. Are they a "successful country" or not?
454   RWSGFY   2020 Aug 3, 4:52am  

MrEd says
Think of mask compliance as gasoline, and noncompliance as water.
It only takes a little bit of water in the tank to fuck up the car.
50% ain't gonna cut it.


Would 60-65% "cut it"? Like, you know, in Germany...
455   MrEd   2020 Aug 3, 6:54am  

Go ahead I'm waiting..
FuckCCP89 says
Explain Germany
456   MrEd   2020 Aug 3, 6:55am  

They are xxxx because...
Go ahead finish the sentence
FuckCCP89 says
Your own graph shows Germany at slightly above 60%. Are they a "successful country" or not?
457   MrEd   2020 Aug 3, 6:56am  

Italy.

FuckCCP89 says
MrEd says
Think of mask compliance as gasoline, and noncompliance as water.
It only takes a little bit of water in the tank to fuck up the car.
50% ain't gonna cut it.


Would 60-65% "cut it"? Like, you know, in Germany...
459   MrEd   2020 Aug 3, 7:03am  

No
They are on the rise.

FuckCCP89 says
MrEd says
Think of mask compliance as gasoline, and noncompliance as water.
It only takes a little bit of water in the tank to fuck up the car.
50% ain't gonna cut it.


Would 60-65% "cut it"? Like, you know, in Germany...
460   MrEd   2020 Aug 3, 7:06am  

Italy has set the mark for covid 19 suppression.
Stop denying the data right before your very eyes.
461   MrEd   2020 Aug 3, 7:14am  

Explain Italy
FuckCCP89 says
MrEd says
WOW! What a coincidence!

mell says
Italy had 8 deaths yesterday and 5 the day before, and just 238 new cases yesterday. Don't conflate cases with deaths. The Chinese virus disease is essentially gone in Italy.



Explain Germany.
462   mell   2020 Aug 3, 7:20am  

MrEd says
Italy has set the mark for covid 19 suppression.
Stop denying the data right before your very eyes.



Covid-19 burnt through Italy like a brushfire and "culled" almost exclusively all elderly and susceptible. Italians are notoriously inefficient and disobedient wrt hygiene when someone is sick, incl. mask wearing. Sure more Italians starting wearing masks after the impact Covid made but they are far less compliant than people in the US, as they are very affectionate people, and within the family there is usually zero distancing. Bad example. Covid simply (and sadly) ran its course in Italy, like a bad flu season/pandemic.
463   MrEd   2020 Aug 3, 7:25am  

Well either you are right or the chart is right. The chart shows Italy still around 90% compliance
mell says
Sure more Italians starting wearing masks after the impact Covid made but they are far less compliant than people in the US, as they are very affectionate people, and within the family there is usually zero distancing.
465   RWSGFY   2020 Aug 3, 7:40am  

MrEd says
Explain Italy


Italy fucked up. Italy is not successful wrt Covid.They are closing barn doors after horses are long gone.

Now explain successful Germany @ ~65%.
466   mell   2020 Aug 3, 7:42am  

MrEd says
Well either you are right or the chart is right. The chart shows Italy still around 90% compliance
mell says
Sure more Italians starting wearing masks after the impact Covid made but they are far less compliant than people in the US, as they are very affectionate people, and within the family there is usually zero distancing.


Most family in Italy never wore a mask until very late in. Some still don't but the police and military was enforcing strict rules during peak outbreak wrt shopping and other indoor activities outside the family, also few cities had curfews for a while and were shut off. It burnt out in Italy quickly. Most of the disparity in Covid cases and deaths can be attributed to frequency in testing and different methods of counting, e.g Germany does not count deaths with Covid, the US does - for political reasons because ORANGE! MAN! BAD!
467   WookieMan   2020 Aug 3, 8:10am  

MrEd says
Chart source.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-opinion-coronavirus-global-face-mask-adoption/


Note: YouGov surveys have a margin of error +/–3 percentage points and their sample size is 1,000 to 2,000 people in each country. Figures cited in the story are from their tracker survey which asks about wearing a mask in public in the past two weeks specifically to protect against coronavirus. The YouGov/Imperial College survey asks about frequency of mask usage in the past seven days.


I love how these sources don't provide links to the source data. As in the questions asked, who, what, where, when, how. Just spin it and say they're +/-3% with a sample size of 0.00006% of a country of 330+ million people over a massive space.

If this is considered real data, I'm might be out on these threads. Not one intelligent person can or should extrapolate 0.00006% of a sample size on entire countries. That's not even spin, that's lying. And then claiming +/-3%... lol. What a fucking joke. I guess everything on the internet is true to most people it appears.
468   Onvacation   2020 Aug 3, 8:21am  

How many more have to die before we open the country and stop this maskerade?

Peak deaths happened months ago. Months before the current mandatory masking, mostly to NY and NJ residents, and mostly to immunocompromised and old people.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku

Millions of small businesses have closed. Concerts, sports, and worst of all schools are being closed. We are reverting to a primitive lifestyle where we only go out to get food and bring it back to our cave. Trillions more dollars have been created out of thin air to give to big (not small) business and non working people.

The curve is flat. Please stop the bullshit.
469   WookieMan   2020 Aug 3, 8:35am  

Onvacation says
The curve is flat. Please stop the bullshit.

Slow your roll man. 2,000 Americans said they barely wear masks (maybe only 1,000) so we're all dead. All these deaths were Covid, so you know. No one else got the flu or other types of pneumonia from other infections, virus or bacteria. Nobody.

All other respiratory illnesses have disappeared. 5 year old kids are dropping like flies now too. I heard that 5,000 toddlers died over the last week. Scary stuff. They sample 4 people in this small Iowa town and determined from those 5 people that 5,000 toddlers died. It was shocking news to say the least.

As overall deaths revert back to the historical averages we should all wear cloth masks, that store viral loads, so when that mask irritation kicks in and we sneeze through that mask, we can ensure maximum viral load on our neighbors face. That should save us all.

Good grief....
470   prodigy   2020 Aug 3, 11:01am  

If one were to actually read the link text, it contains the word "opinion".
Not sure why anyone would think this was considered real data.

WookieMan says
MrEd says
Chart source.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-opinion-coronavirus-global-face-mask-adoption/
WookieMan says
If this is considered real data, I'm might be out on these threads.
471   WookieMan   2020 Aug 3, 11:12am  

prodigy says
Not sure why anyone would think this was considered real data.

lol... then why post it? Opinion and fiction have now become synonymous. I prefer actual facts.
472   prodigy   2020 Aug 3, 11:14am  

The curve is rising.
Please keep up.

Onvacation says
OnVacation says: The curve is flat. Please stop the bullshit.
473   WookieMan   2020 Aug 3, 11:15am  

Also, you taking a break from MrEd or forget which account you logged into?
474   prodigy   2020 Aug 3, 11:15am  

99% of what is posted here is opinion.
ROTFLOL...
WookieMan says
lol... then why post it?
475   prodigy   2020 Aug 3, 11:16am  

Neither.
Do you really think that there is only one mask supporter on these threads?

WookieMan says
Also, you taking a break from MrEd or forget which account you logged into?
476   RWSGFY   2020 Aug 3, 11:20am  

prodigy says
The curve is rising.
Please keep up.

Onvacation says
OnVacation says: The curve is flat. Please stop the bullshit.


Show at least 7-day moving average. This jagged shit is not very informative.
477   RWSGFY   2020 Aug 3, 11:21am  

FuckCCP89 says
Now explain successful Germany @ ~65%.


Bueller?
478   WookieMan   2020 Aug 3, 11:23am  

prodigy says
99% of what is posted here is opinion.

Who said 1% posted here was fact? What are you talking about? You're working to defend someone else's link by calling it opinion. WTF was the point in posting it then? Just type your own god damn opinion and back it up with a bull shit graph or link, made up from other bullshit "surveys and studies." What are you actually defending here? The link was bullshit. Calling it opinion doesn't change that.
479   prodigy   2020 Aug 3, 11:24am  

I think the low peaks are weekends where deaths are not reported?
If one were to look at the general trend with an honest mind they would deduce the trend is rising.
FuckCCP89 says
Show at least 7-day moving average. This jagged shit is not very informative.
480   RWSGFY   2020 Aug 3, 11:26am  

prodigy says
I think the low peaks are weekends where deaths are not reported?
If one were to look at the general trend with an honest mind they would deduce the trend is rising.
FuckCCP89 says
Show at least 7-day moving average. This jagged shit is not very informative.


Still, why not just show the moving average instead of all these verbal gymnastics?

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