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Flatten the Curve


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2020 Jul 15, 3:31am   29,012 views  720 comments

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As the numbers of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths surge to record levels in multiple epicenters, local and state officials are struggling with whether and how much to reverse the rollback of restrictions on individuals and businesses. For example, following a gradual reopening over about a month, on Monday, California Gov. Gavin Newsom announced the reintroduction of statewide restrictions that would again shut down bars, all indoor dining, family entertainment, zoos and museums following a surge in coronavirus cases. The governors of Florida, Texas, and Arizona, all now epicenters of infection, have also slowed or reversed reopening, but their actions have been tepid. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is even insisting on opening schools in the face of record-high numbers of infections.

These officials would do well to recall the observation of The Great One. No, not Dr. Tony Fauci of the National Institutes of Health—the other one, hockey legend Wayne Gretzky, who once explained, “I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been.”

Anticipating what’s coming is important in confronting an infectious disease, especially one whose dynamics are what many infectious disease experts consider their worst nightmare. COVID-19 is highly infectious, has a lengthy incubation period (during which asymptomatic infected persons can unwittingly shed virus and infect other people), and causes serious, sometimes fatal illness.

Those unusual characteristics of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID-19, and the idiosyncrasies and spectrum of presentations of the illness—from pulmonary symptoms (including pneumonia and pulmonary fibrosis) to a range of non-respiratory manifestations, (including loss of sense of smell or taste, confusion and cognitive impairments, fainting, sudden muscle weakness or paralysis, seizures, ischemic strokes, kidney damage, and, rarely, a severe pediatric inflammatory syndrome) mean that we are on a steep learning curve.

The problem is: if we react too slowly to changing circumstances, we can fall off a metaphorical cliff.

There’s an old brain teaser that perfectly illustrates this point. Consider a pond of a certain size, on which there is a single lily pad. This particular species of lily pad reproduces and duplicates itself once a day, so that on day 2, you have two lily pads. On day 3, you have four; on day 4, you have eight; and so on. Here’s the teaser: if it takes the lily pads 48 days to cover the pond completely, how long will it take for the pond to be covered halfway?

The answer? 47 days. In just 24 hours, between day 47 and day 48, the lily pads would double in size and overtake the pond. Moreover, on day 40, the pond would still appear to be relatively clear; just eight days from the pond being completely covered, you’d hardly know the lily pads were there.

If the same thing happens with a virulent and highly contagious infectious agent, like the SARS-CoV-2 virus, you don’t know you’re in trouble until you wake up one morning to find that you’re overwhelmed. Like the lily pad example, the daily number of confirmed COVID-19 cases in the U.S. was 18,577 on June 15th—just three weeks later, on July 10th, the number had shot up to 66,281.

Dr. Anthony Fauci
Dr. Anthony Fauci

FLATTENING THE CURVE TO BEAT THE IMPENDING CLIFF

From early in the pandemic, the public health mantra worldwide has been: “flatten the curve.” That important concept, which was in vogue several months ago, seems largely forgotten today.

In the above graphic from the University of Michigan, the blue curve is the viral equivalent of the lily pads, suddenly covering the pond. It represents a large number of people (shown on the vertical axis) becoming infected over a short time (horizontal axis), and, in turn, overwhelming our health care system with people who need hospitalization, or even an Intensive Care Unit (ICU).

People won’t shop for non-essentials, fly, go to restaurants, theaters, and athletic events, or send their kids to school, when numbers of new cases are soaring.

If, however, political officials, individuals, and communities take steps to slow the virus’s spread, the cases of COVID-19 will stretch out across a more extended period, as depicted by the flatter, yellow curve. As long as the number of cases at any given time doesn’t bleed past the dotted line marking the capacity of our nation’s health care system, we’ll be able to accommodate everyone who is very sick.

Curve-flattening has fallen out of focus in recent months, in part because some political leaders reopened too aggressively and prematurely, basing policy on their constituents’ “pandemic fatigue,” instead of on the advice of epidemiologists and infectious disease experts.

But it’s still critical to avoid the pattern of the blue curve, not only to spare hospitals and ICUs—which are especially under stress in parts of Arizona, Florida, and Texas—but also so that we can continue the gradual reopening of the nation’s businesses and schools. Reopening relies on curve-flattening. As the NIH’s Dr. Tony Fauci says frequently, public health and economic considerations are not in opposition but are opposite sides of the same coin; we can’t fully restart and resume commerce until the pandemic is under some measure of control. People won’t shop for non-essentials, fly, go to restaurants, theaters, and athletic events, or send their kids to school, when numbers of new cases are soaring.

That means we need to start anticipating and stop playing catch-up—as the governors of Florida, Arizona, and Texas have been doing, relying on a combination of magical thinking, Happy Talk, and too-little-too-late remedies, instead of aggressive, evidence-based public health policies.

Arizona Governor Doug Ducey, for instance, has offered no strategy for blunting the spike in COVID-19 cases other than to keep repeating that there were enough hospital beds to treat those who fall ill. And yet, ICU beds and ventilators in use by suspected and confirmed COVID-19 patients in Arizona both hit new records on July 12th and were under stress, according to data reported by hospitals to the state.

On July 10th, a physicians group gathered outside Florida Governor DeSantis’s mansion in Tallahassee to urge him to issue an order mandating the use of face masks statewide, which arguably should have been done months ago. Masks have long been considered essential to slowing the spread of COVID-19, but, inexplicably, the Governor resisted. And only on July 10th did Texas Governor Greg Abbott finally mandate the wearing of face masks, and demand the prohibition of large gatherings and the closing of bars across the state.

Elected officials must heed Wayne Gretzky’s admonition and stay ahead of the coronavirus, in order to lower its rate of transmission. That’s the only way to slow the rise of new cases.

Evidence-based policies, such as requiring masks in public, prohibiting large indoor gatherings, and indoor dining at restaurants, are important. But as we’ve seen with California, even aggressive imposition of those kinds of strictures has not been sufficient—in large part because many people, especially younger ones, have failed to comply. As California allowed businesses and public places to reopen, bars, boardwalks, and beaches became crowded with large numbers of maskless patrons. It’s no wonder, then, that as of July 13th, hospitals in the state reported a 27.8% increase in hospitalized patients over the previous 14 days and a 19.9% increase in ICU patients over that same period. In fact, as a result of noncompliance, many local governments in the Golden State have had to coordinate with law enforcement agencies to issue citations and explore civil alternatives through code enforcement, environmental health, or other local government personnel.

Of course, the need for heightened consequences for noncompliance is unfortunate, but it will help to re-flatten the curve. That will spread out the demands on hospitals, which must have sufficient space, supplies, and healthy staff to care for all those who need hospital-level care—whether for COVID-19, a stroke, trauma, emergency surgery, or childbirth. It’s strong, but necessary, medicine—which possibly could have been avoided with more intense efforts to get the public to comply with wearing masks, social distancing, and frequent hand-washing.

If politicians properly understood their role in flattening the curve, they wouldn’t have to resort to policing and ticketing. They would instead launch a tsunami of public service announcements from all manner of dignitaries and celebrities, including prominent politicians, actors, rock stars, and athletes—maybe even The Great One himself—demonstrating how we can anticipate instead of falling behind the curve.

That non-coercive strategy could be a winner.


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Henry I. Miller, M.S., M.D.
Henry I. Miller, a physician and molecular biologist, is a Senior Fellow at the Pacific Research Institute. He was the founding director of the FDA’s Office of Biotechnology.


https://humanevents.com/2020/07/14/flattening-the-curve-is-still-the-right-answer/

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561   mell   2020 Aug 4, 12:39pm  

The observed R0 was sonewhat above the flu but way below measles.
562   prodigy   2020 Aug 4, 12:52pm  

N.O.V.E.L.
That 'load' is not documented anywhere, only 'assumed' from other covid types.

Onvacation says
prodigy says
I think what is unknown is how much viral load one needs to pass on the virus.

Why do you think that?
563   prodigy   2020 Aug 4, 12:52pm  

From every news source on the web.

Onvacation says
prodigy says
Covid 19 is much more contagious than your average run of the mill virus.

How do you know?
564   prodigy   2020 Aug 4, 12:53pm  

Correct.
Onvacation says
prodigy says
The WHO is covering their ass by saying 'there is more study needed to determine if an asymptomatic person who never develops symptoms can still pass on the virus'

So they don't know.
565   prodigy   2020 Aug 4, 12:54pm  

Opinions are being formed and updated as new data flows in on the N.O.V.E.L Corona Virus.

Onvacation says
prodigy says
It is a NOVEL virus, so nothing is written in stone yet...

So nobody knows.
566   prodigy   2020 Aug 4, 12:55pm  

And in the USA, millions did not die.
See? It worked...

Onvacation says
What we do know is that we were told to lockdown for two weeks so we don't overwhelm the hospitals with THE MILLIONS THAT WERE GOING TO DIE! This has morphed into a new normal that benefits nobody but the owners.

It's clear that many people are willfully ignorant or scared stupid.
567   socal2   2020 Aug 4, 1:01pm  

prodigy says
Opinions are being formed and updated as new data flows in on the N.O.V.E.L Corona Virus.


Yep - new data coming in all the time.

*Did Lockdown Work? An Economist’s Cross-Country Comparison - No*

Abstract
I explore the association between the severity of lockdown policies in the first half of 2020 and mortality rates. Using two indices from the Blavatnik Centre’s Covid 19 policy measures and comparing weekly mortality rates from 24 European countries in the first halves of 2017-2020, and addressing policy endogeneity in two different ways, I find no clear association between lockdown policies and mortality development.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3665588&fbclid=IwAR0yByoqCyi5oI92qU6NMifBeJFpQLJV31IsOnGgeat0GIk9Hwdu2j0F7e8
568   prodigy   2020 Aug 4, 1:12pm  

Agreed. From all corners.
socal2 says
Yep - new data coming in all the time.
569   Onvacation   2020 Aug 4, 1:57pm  

prodigy says
And in the USA, millions did not die.
See? It worked...

Onvacation says
What we do know is that we were told to lockdown for two weeks so we don't overwhelm the hospitals with THE MILLIONS THAT WERE GOING TO DIE! This has morphed into a new normal that benefits nobody but the owners.

It's clear that many people are willfully ignorant or scared stupid.

No. Millions WERE going to die. We shut down for two weeks to STOP HOSPITALS FROM BEING OVERWHELMED BY THE MILLIONS DYING AT THE SAME TIME. They called it "flattening the curve ". By coincidence it started right after TRUMPS FOREVER IMPEACHMENT.
570   PeopleUnited   2020 Aug 4, 2:41pm  

prodigy says
Swedish mortality rate is way above average

PeopleUnited says
What Sweden does is working. No economic shutdown and comparable mortality.






Be smarter. They don’t have the same level of testing we do. Because of the lack of lockdowns it is probable that a higher percentage of their population has gotten infected and never knew it, therefore the data is under reporting cases. What matters in the end is fatalities per 100,000 population.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

In that regard Sweden is already looking good only about 100 deaths per million population different than us, and remember their population has likely already been exposed to the virus whereas here in USA most people have NOT yet been exposed.
571   prodigy   2020 Aug 4, 2:41pm  

And they did not die.
See? It worked.

Onvacation says
prodigy says
And in the USA, millions did not die.
See? It worked...

Onvacation says
What we do know is that we were told to lockdown for two weeks so we don't overwhelm the hospitals with THE MILLIONS THAT WERE GOING TO DIE! This has morphed into a new normal that benefits nobody but the owners.

It's clear that many people are willfully ignorant or scared stupid.

No. Millions WERE going to die.
572   PeopleUnited   2020 Aug 4, 2:42pm  

Onvacation says
prodigy says
And in the USA, millions did not die.
See? It worked...

Onvacation says
What we do know is that we were told to lockdown for two weeks so we don't overwhelm the hospitals with THE MILLIONS THAT WERE GOING TO DIE! This has morphed into a new normal that benefits nobody but the owners.

It's clear that many people are willfully ignorant or scared stupid.

No. Millions WERE going to die. We shut down for two weeks to STOP HOSPITALS FROM BEING OVERWHELMED BY THE MILLIONS DYING AT THE SAME TIME. They called it "flattening the curve ". By coincidence it started right after TRUMPS FOREVER IMPEACHMENT.


Not a coincidence, seems more like plan B, or in this case plan V.
573   prodigy   2020 Aug 4, 2:51pm  

Sweden 110 more deaths per million than USA.
"remember their population has likely already been exposed to the virus whereas here in USA most people have NOT yet been exposed."
So much for the effect of herd immunity...

PeopleUnited says
Be smarter. They don’t have the same level of testing we do. Because of the lack of lockdowns it is probable that a higher percentage of their population has gotten infected and never knew it, therefore the data is under reporting cases. What matters in the end is fatalities per 100,000 population.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

In that regard Sweden is already looking good only about 100 deaths per million population different than us, and remember their population has likely already been exposed to the virus whereas here in USA most people have NOT yet been exposed.
574   mell   2020 Aug 4, 3:56pm  

I had my meeting with the branch covidians cause I need some sort of test for travel and medical facility visits. At least a cute chick checked me in on the drive-in. They weren't wearing any face shields or googles, just n95 masks. Didn't seem too afraid of the Chinese virus.
575   PeopleUnited   2020 Aug 4, 6:09pm  

prodigy says
Sweden 110 more deaths per million than USA.


Yep, and that is without economy crippling lockdowns! That is what success looks like and the best part is that as time goes by that number will look even better!!!!

prodigy says

So much for the effect of herd immunity...

Nominated.
More people in Sweden per capita have been exposed, and recovered than here in USA. They are closer to the end of the plague than we are, because they did not lock down! Because they are closer herd immunity! Duh.

Worse than that there is growing evidence that lockdowns are causing MORE death from untreated non Chinese virus illnesses. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-scandal-of-excess-deaths-at-home
576   WookieMan   2020 Aug 5, 6:41am  

0.7% of the US population has an active case, tested positive right now when you factor in the recovered people. On a tested basis, that can transmit the virus, there are basically less than 1 in 100 chance of even being around someone with the virus. Or 7 in 1,000. Or 70 in 10,000 people. Data straight from worldmeter.

Let's open back up. I'll take those odds considering there's a 0.7% chance of exposure and if I'm lucky enough to get it, only a 3.9% chance of death. And of those that die, something like 70% are 55 and older with other major and multiple health complications. No one with a working brain can really argue against this. Avoid close, indoor interaction, with people you don't know, without a mask and you will likely never get it.

And before some ass hole does it, please don't bring up the fucking lily pad and pond anecdote. If that anecdote were anything like how a virus works, we'd all have had it by now. Stick to the data we know. Covid is nothing. 20-40% of Covid deaths are most certainly from flu and/or other respiratory and medical issues. A huge chunk of that also occurred in just two states NY/NJ. Total deaths are only 110k if you take out NY/NJ. Factor in BS cause of death and real numbers are likely closer to 50-80k deaths. And 70% of those were close to death anyway.

But hey, keep the country shut down. lol. People fighting raw data are so stupid.
577   Onvacation   2020 Aug 5, 6:52am  

prodigy says
And they did not die.
See? It worked.

Worked with Ebola too.
578   Onvacation   2020 Aug 5, 6:55am  

prodigy says
Always the politics.
Always political.
Pelosi must have paid china to infect the world!!

It was Feinstein. But yeah, they're in it together. Whenever you wear a mask Newsom gets a bonus from the CCP.
579   WookieMan   2020 Aug 5, 7:06am  

Onvacation says
prodigy says
Always the politics.
Always political.
Pelosi must have paid china to infect the world!!

It was Feinstein. But yeah, they're in it together. Whenever you wear a mask Newsom gets a bonus from the CCP.

Prodigy - Explain how it is NOT political or media manipulation at minimum? Refute any of the data in my comment above (586). The average American doesn't even personally know anyone tested positive for this virus. Literally no one personally knows anyone that has died from it (direct family or friend). None of this friends grandmas sister bullshit either.

Statistically Covid is absolutely nothing. It's been misrepresented by media and also by hospital administrators looking to make $$$$ because most the people dying are on government eldercare, so they want max money to intubate patients they know were dying anyway. I'm sorry that some can't see through the veil in front of them, but maybe start trying. It's not a good look.
580   georgeliberte   2020 Aug 5, 7:36am  

I don't know if I am the only one annoyed by the sanctimonious pathos of this obit.
It is everybody else fault (even though he was 80); but, we know all the right answers. I think Karma did find them ans she's a bitch.
581   WookieMan   2020 Aug 5, 7:46am  

georgeliberte says
I don't know if I am the only one annoyed by the sanctimonious pathos of this obit.
It is everybody else fault (even though he was 80); but, we know all the right answers. I think Karma did find them ans she's a bitch.

I don't think that is real. But who knows. 80 is more than a full life, so if real, the family is ungrateful pieces of shit for not understanding that. My Dad was 68. FIL was 55. BIL was 35. Anyone that writes an obit like that can go fuck themselves, if real.
582   georgeliberte   2020 Aug 5, 8:02am  

I don't think that is real. But who knows.
It is going viral; although that may just be Orange Man Bad syndrome.
583   Onvacation   2020 Aug 15, 7:05am  

Has the curve flattened yet?

Where are the millions of dead Americans?

If you feel sick stay home. If you're scared wear a mask and hide in your cave.

Fuck this new normal. The lives of tens of millions of young people are being messed up for what?
584   just_passing_through   2020 Aug 15, 12:34pm  

georgeliberte says
It is going viral; although that may just be Orange Man Bad syndrome.


They never should have let that Kalifornia Faggit into Texas in the first place.
585   MrEd   2020 Aug 15, 2:12pm  

For the boomers to stretch every last breath out of their lives so they can spend every last dollar extracted from the system.
Live with it.
Onvacation says
Fuck this new normal. The lives of tens of millions of young people are being messed up for what?
587   WookieMan   2020 Aug 15, 2:23pm  

Domestic violence and child abuse are absolutely the worst right now. But hey, wear a mask you inconsiderate fuck... "think" you're saving 92 old granny.
588   CBOEtrader   2020 Aug 15, 10:33pm  

WookieMan says
I don't think that is real.


https://tylerpaper.com/covid-19/wife-speaks-out-after-wild-obit-on-her-east-texas-husband/article_f36073f8-d686-11ea-bacf-673d8a843e57.html

It appears to be real. She moved to my grandparents hometown, Jefferson, in east Texas. Shes a total CA Karen transplant, who went to the sheriff to taddle on non mask wearers. Fuck her!
589   Onvacation   2020 Aug 16, 7:26am  

CBOEtrader says
Karen transplant, who went to the sheriff to taddle on non mask wearers

The vulnerable and scared should hide inside until the vaccine comes out. It's not fair to punish young people so that octogenarians and the immunocompromised can go out.
590   NDrLoR   2020 Aug 16, 7:37am  

CBOEtrader says
Jefferson, in east Texas
You can't get a part of Texas that is more puritanical, judgmental, holier than thou than East Texas. There must be something in the water. A business partner of my friend in West lives there, owns one of the largest antique malls in town.
591   NDrLoR   2020 Aug 16, 7:40am  

georgeliberte says
I don't know if I am the only one annoyed by the sanctimonious pathos of this obit.
Typical of East Texas mentality. His wife is "inconsolable"? How about thanking God for 80 years of a good life?
592   MrEd   2020 Aug 16, 7:41am  

This would work if the young people would stay away from the elderly and immunocompromised when they got home.
But they won't as they see a 401k cashcow and have a legal path to cash in by merely sneezing.
Onvacation says
CBOEtrader says
Karen transplant, who went to the sheriff to taddle on non mask wearers

The vulnerable and scared should hide inside until the vaccine comes out. It's not fair to punish young people so that octogenarians and the immunocompromised can go out.
593   WookieMan   2020 Aug 16, 7:47am  

MrEd says
But they won't as they see a 401k cashcow

Huh? Damn near half of America has nothing saved. Mom and Dad are broke dude in most cases. You're talking maybe 10-15% have anything saved over $200k in a 401k. Basically nothing remotely close to a cash cow unless you make $20k a year at McDonalds.

Also people with compromised immune systems need to stay home and not have people over. Otherwise it's their fault. Do you go to a peanut factory if you're allergic to peanuts? World can't shut down for your weakness.
594   Onvacation   2020 Aug 16, 8:16am  

MrEd says
This would work if the young people would stay away from the elderly and immunocompromised when they got home.
But they won't as they see a 401k cashcow and have a legal path to cash in by merely sneezing.
Onvacation says
CBOEtrader says
Karen transplant, who went to the sheriff to taddle on non mask wearers

The vulnerable and scared should hide inside until the vaccine comes out. It's not fair to punish young people so that octogenarians and the immunocompromised can go out.


So we are agreed that the vulnerable should self quarantine?
595   MrEd   2020 Aug 16, 11:48am  

The oldens will be overpowered by young inheritants seeking a quick legal score.
Onvacation says
So we are agreed that the vulnerable should self quarantine?
596   RWSGFY   2020 Aug 16, 12:00pm  

MrEd says
The oldens will be overpowered by young inheritants seeking a quick legal score.


If this is a concern let them know that all the money have been bequeathed to charity until covid vaccine is available.
597   MrEd   2020 Aug 16, 2:50pm  

You don't get it.
The oldens want to spend it.
598   RWSGFY   2020 Aug 16, 3:40pm  

MrEd says
You don't get it.
The oldens want to spend it.


One doesn't preclude another.
599   CBOEtrader   2020 Aug 16, 8:48pm  

NDrLoR says
You can't get a part of Texas that is more puritanical, judgmental, holier than thou than East Texas.


These people were new to east texas. Its an older population with very few productively employed. Its making a comeback in the digital economy though. I went to buy this cabin last week https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1620-Mcr-3509-Jefferson-TX-75657/2079777575_zpid/ apparently sold but not delisted yet :/
600   Onvacation   2020 Aug 26, 9:03pm  

CBOEtrader says
I went to buy this cabin last week https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1620-Mcr-3509-Jefferson-TX-75657/2079777575_zpid/ apparently sold but not delisted yet :/


My Grandpa grew up in that part of East Texas. Really more western Louisiana (Don't tell an east Texan I said that.)

Notice if you zoom out the cabin is just northeast of Uncertain Texas. The pics of the lakefront cabin show that it is on stilts. Your first floor garage probably turns into a dock during rainy season.

$80,000. A full acre. Looks like It's still for sale.

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