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Uber Likely To Pause California Operations


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2020 Aug 12, 5:59pm   4,371 views  63 comments

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https://www.thesfnews.com/uber-likely-to-pause-california-operations/63262

SAN FRANCISCO—Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi said the company is likely to shut down temporarily for a few months in California if a new court ruling stating they must classify all of their drivers as full-time employees is not overruled.

On Monday Uber and Lyft, both modern, popular choices for transportation for the public, were ordered by a California judge to brand all of their drivers as full-time employees of their companies, while up until now they have been considered independent contractors.

“If the court doesn’t reconsider, then in California, it’s hard to believe we’ll be able to switch our model to full-time employment quickly,” Khosrowshahi told MSNBC Wednesday morning.

The ruling made by San Francisco Superior Court Judge Ethan P. Schulman will not go into effect immediately, as both companies have stated they will be appealing to a higher court in hopes of overturning Schulman’s verdict.


Meh, OK with with me. Go ahead and shut down, Uber.

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24   HeadSet   2020 Aug 14, 3:21pm  

ForcedTQ says
FuckCCP89 says
Can they survive w/o CA market?


They have about fuck all for overhead as the whole thing is a software system for transactions and networking people together for efficient means of transport.


Then why are both Uber and Lyft hemorrhaging money? This is why I though the "self drive" is a joke. Uber cannot make money now when they have passed the costs of buying, maintaining, cleaning, gas, taxes, and insuring the car onto the driver, so how can they make money when Uber must buy the $100k self diving car, plus cover all the maintenance. fuel, and insurance costs? Cars that also need to be stored, inspected, cleaned, and taxed.
25   Shaman   2020 Aug 14, 3:28pm  

HeadSet says

Then why are both Uber and Lyft hemorrhaging money


There’s this little thing called the pandemic. It’s been absolutely terrible for bar hoppers and airport travelers. That’s got to be at least half of uber business.
26   Eric Holder   2020 Aug 14, 4:03pm  

Shaman says
HeadSet says

Then why are both Uber and Lyft hemorrhaging money


There’s this little thing called the pandemic. It’s been absolutely terrible for bar hoppers and airport travelers. That’s got to be at least half of uber business.


Xcept they weren't profitable before the Wuhan scare either.
27   HeadSet   2020 Aug 14, 5:38pm  

Shaman says
HeadSet says

Then why are both Uber and Lyft hemorrhaging money


There’s this little thing called the pandemic. It’s been absolutely terrible for bar hoppers and airport travelers. That’s got to be at least half of uber business.


Nice snark, but Uber and Lyft have been losing money from the start. Every year they make claimed that the next year is when they would turn the corner. Too bad if you were one of those who bought the Uber IPO at around $60.
28   B.A.C.A.H.   2020 Aug 15, 10:39am  

This is hilarious. Uber dotcom hipster types not flourishing.

In the day when I was backpacking in a "second world" place, a local person I was supposed to meet up with told me to hitch a ride anywhere, just flag down a vehicle heading your direction and they'll give you a lift for "about a dollar".

Sure enough that worked. No need for hipster apps.
29   Patrick   2020 Aug 15, 10:46am  

I hitchhiked across Europe in college. It worked reasonably well, though it retrospect it was somewhat dangerous. One you're in someone's car, they have a lot of power over you.

There was a definite hierarchy to getting picked up. Easiest was lone girl, then multiple girls, then mixed, then lone guy, then group of guys.

The people giving rides also correctly perceived that it might not be safe for them to pick up multiple guys, since a group of guys could probably rob them and maybe take the car.

A lone girl would be insane to get into strangers' cars.
30   Automan Empire   2020 Aug 15, 10:55am  

Patrick says
There was a definite hierarchy to getting picked up. Easiest was lone girl,


From what I've heard, pulling over for "lone girl" makes "sketch boyfriend" appear seemingly out of nowhere.
31   Patrick   2020 Aug 15, 10:56am  

Yes, that was a common technique. Guy hides while girl flags down ride, then guy pops up and the couple counts on social pressure to get the driver not to change his mind.

Bait-and-switch. Used in retail all the time.
32   Patrick   2020 Aug 15, 10:58am  

My own routine evolved to where I would put up praying hands, then cross myself in the Catholic fashion but end it with my thumb out.

At least it usually got a laugh.
33   RWSGFY   2020 Aug 15, 11:00am  

socal2 says
FuckCCP89 says
Why? Walmart doesn't.


According to this link, Walmart provides some benefits to their part-time workers too.


I guess I fell a victim to propaganda.
34   SoTex   2020 Aug 15, 11:07am  

HeadSet says
Shaman says
HeadSet says

Then why are both Uber and Lyft hemorrhaging money


There’s this little thing called the pandemic. It’s been absolutely terrible for bar hoppers and airport travelers. That’s got to be at least half of uber business.


Nice snark, but Uber and Lyft have been losing money from the start. Every year they make claimed that the next year is when they would turn the corner. Too bad if you were one of those who bought the Uber IPO at around $60.


I think you're both right. Sure has been convenient while it lasted. Another reason to leave CA.
35   SunnyvaleCA   2020 Aug 16, 1:26pm  

If anything, though, all this points out how screwed up the conventional taxi "market" is. Expensive rides, lousy vehicles, and downright rude drivers — even at 2x the current price, Uber would be preferable.
36   Patrick   2020 Aug 20, 5:46pm  

https://techcrunch.com/2020/08/20/lyft-is-suspending-rideshare-operations-in-california/

Lyft is planning to suspend its ridesharing operations in California beginning tonight at 11:59 pm PT, unless it receives a stay from the Court of Appeals today.


I think they did receive the stay.
37   SoTex   2020 Aug 20, 10:04pm  

They did...
38   Ceffer   2020 Aug 20, 10:58pm  

Only real issue is the withholding tax grab by the state. They already had taxis by the nuts with regulations, fees and taxes. Uber and Lyft bypassed all that with 1099 status for drivers.

California is going to be pursuing any revenue stream it can nail down to shore up its deficits and the years of public service unions, fiscal corruption and waste. It seems that the rich are starting to bail. As they bail, California is trying to tack on its 'wealth tax' on those with over 30 million in net worth to skin them at the exit gates, and they are trying to increase the maximum state tax (already the highest in the nation) rate by 3 percent.

Is there anything guaranteed to complete the death spiral of California into a two class system of uber wealthy and welfare suckers? Only, the wealthy always have the option to leave, and then California is left with all those hungry voter mouths to feed from dwindling assets.

It literally is running out of other people's money.
39   HeadSet   2020 Aug 21, 7:50am  

Only real issue is the withholding tax grab by the state. They already had taxis by the nuts with regulations, fees and taxes. Uber and Lyft bypassed all that with 1099 status for drivers.

Actually, Taxi Drivers are typically lessees that are 1099 for credit card and voucher payments. What Uber/Lyft did was bypass all the LOCAL laws that apply to taxis such as regulated fares, mandatory service areas and times, handicap vehicles, full time commercial insurance, and so on. Although in a few places taxi drivers own their own cabs and pay a fee to rent a medallion and get dispatched jobs, most rent a cab from the local cab company. I believe that as soon as the AB5 type laws are finished forcing Uber/Lyft to make drivers employees, Taxi companies will be next.
40   HeadSet   2020 Aug 21, 7:52am  

And it probably would violate the interstate commerce clause just like when they tried to tax retirement income of retirees who left the state. The courts shot that down.

I know CA tried to tax a portion of military retirement based on time stationed in CA, but was CA prohibited from taxing CA government retirees that moved out of state?
41   SoTex   2020 Aug 21, 9:32am  

They tried to do that to my dad's air force retirement when we moved to TX in the early 80s. He was always a TX resident and we even had TX license plates when I was a kid here in CA.

He told them to eat a sack of shit.
42   SunnyvaleCA   2020 Aug 21, 11:56am  

TrumpingTits says
Ceffer says
As they bail, California is trying to tack on its 'wealth tax' on those with over 30 million in net worth to skin them at the exit gates,


That would violate prop 13 as far as wealth taxes on land goes.

As long as the tax is only on net worth above $30MM (which we all know is just the starting point!), that's probably not going to clobber people whose entire net worth is tied up in their shack.
43   HeadSet   2020 Aug 21, 1:56pm  

I would not have any problem with CA taxing CA state pensions on people that moved out of state. Not 401ks and IRAs, just the defined benefit style pensions paid by CA resident taxpayers.
44   Patrick   2022 Sep 19, 4:40pm  

I just heard that Uber charges you more if your phone battery is low.

They figure you're desperate, and they're happy to fuck over desperate people.
45   Booger   2022 Sep 19, 5:06pm  

Fuck Uber
46   fdhfoiehfeoi   2022 Sep 20, 10:02am  

Just finished Super Pumped. While not nearly as good as shows like Silicon Valley, it's still worth a watch.
47   zzyzzx   2023 May 2, 7:27am  

https://fortune.com/2023/04/28/remote-workers-lyft-return-to-office-mandate-after-layoffs/

On Thursday, Lyft’s new CEO laid off over 1,000 employees. On Friday he ordered remaining ones back to the office

A substantial number of employees have grown accustomed to working from home in recent years, but CEOs are increasingly issuing return-to-office mandates. Lyft is the latest example, but what makes its mandate notable is its timing.

One day after new CEO David Risher laid off more than 1,000 employees, or about 26% of its corporate workforce, he told remaining workers they must head back to the office. The one-two punch may help the ride-sharing company avoid the problem of employees not taking such mandates seriously.

Just a year ago, Lyft announced it was “now a fully flexible workplace,” boasting on its blog that employees would “have the choice of where to live and where to work.” They could “work from the office, at home, or any combination of the two,” it added.

No longer. Risher, who assumed the helm on April 17, will require workers to come in Mondays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays, with Tuesdays recommended, beginning after Labor Day, he told the New York Times, adding that he saw the moment as an opportunity to have a “cultural reset.”

In February, Lyft announced projected earnings that fell well short of estimates, leading to the biggest single-day drop in its stock price in the company’s history. Compared with rival Uber, it has struggled to reach pre-pandemic levels of ridership among its users.

“At some point, I don’t think of this as just an Uber battle,” Risher told MarketWatch in late March. “It’s a battle against staying at home. How do we get people out? How do we get them playing and working together?”

He was referring to customers, but it seems he wants employees staying home less and working together more, as well.

Many remote workers, however, believe working from home is just fine and are not eager to return to pre-pandemic office and commuting routines. In a Pew Research survey published last month, 56% of respondents said working from home helps them get work done and meet deadlines, while 37% said it neither helps nor hurts.

Risher isn’t the only boss taking aim at remote work. With the pandemic in the rearview mirror, many CEOs have been demanding that remote employees spend more time in the office, among them Bob Iger at Disney, Robert Thomson at News Corp., and Howard Schultz at Starbucks.

One CEO, James Clarke of digital marketing firm Clearlink, worried aloud to staff that some remote employees might secretly be working for other companies, and that others could be freeing up time with A.I. tools that Clearlink wasn’t fully utilizing.

Meanwhile Sam Zell, a real estate magnate known for his colorful language, called remote work “a bunch of bullshit” at a luncheon in New York last week, adding, “Young people need to develop their skills, and you can’t develop those skills if you’re not in the office.”
48   Tenpoundbass   2023 May 2, 7:32am  

Patrick says

I just heard that Uber charges you more if your phone battery is low.


And that is exactly why my Android phone is stock from any Social media company.
I delete any fecesbook and shitter if it's on it when I bought it.
49   zzyzzx   2023 May 2, 7:52am  

Patrick says

I just heard that Uber charges you more if your phone battery is low.


I'd be surprised if they didn't.

https://www.merca20.com/does-uber-charge-you-more-when-your-phone-battery-is-low/

https://www.indiatimes.com/trending/human-interest/uber-accused-of-increasing-fares-when-users-phone-battery-is-low-599390.html
The outcome revealed a noticeable price discrepancy: the phone with a 12% battery was charged 17.56 euros (Rs 1,585), while the phone with an 84% battery was charged 16.6 euros (Rs 1,498) for the same trip.
50   mell   2023 May 2, 10:02am  

zzyzzx says

Patrick says


I just heard that Uber charges you more if your phone battery is low.


I'd be surprised if they didn't.

https://www.merca20.com/does-uber-charge-you-more-when-your-phone-battery-is-low/

https://www.indiatimes.com/trending/human-interest/uber-accused-of-increasing-fares-when-users-phone-battery-is-low-599390.html
The outcome revealed a noticeable price discrepancy: the phone with a 12% battery was charged 17.56 euros (Rs 1,585), while the phone with an 84% battery was charged 16.6 euros (Rs 1,498) for the same trip.

Agreed, but it's still 50% cheaper than a fucking cab which is fucking unreliable, takes longer to arrive and so on an so fourth. There's a reason uber exists.
51   zzyzzx   2024 Mar 15, 10:11am  

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/uber-lyft-stop-operations-minneapolis-161252100.html

Uber, Lyft to stop operations in Minneapolis over minimum wage law
52   zzyzzx   2024 Mar 20, 9:27am  

https://www.newsweek.com/california-jobless-claims-spike-layoffs-tech-retail-sectors-1877101

California Sees Huge Spike in People Losing Their Jobs | Nevada and California Lead Nation in Unemployment with Rates Spiking Above 5%

Amid the state's struggle with an unemployment rate of 5.1 percent, (second only to Nevada's 5.3 percent) according to the BLS, the recent surge in jobless claims reflects a broader trend of layoffs across the state. The uptick is particularly significant considering the broader context of the national jobless claims that came in at 217,000, positioning California's labor market trends within a national discussion on employment stability.

California's Imperial County, which borders Baja California, has an unemployment rate of 18.7 percent, the state's highest, according to the California Employment Development Department. Colusa County, located in the northern part of the state, has an unemployment rate of 11.4 percent. Los Angeles County's rate is 5 percent, while the lowest unemployment rate in the state is 3.3 percent in the western county of San Mateo.

A deeper analysis of sector-specific layoffs reveals that key industries are bracing for impact. According to Warn Tracker, a website that monitors mass layoffs and plant closures though WARN notices, California has already seen notifications for 22,280 workers about upcoming layoffs. Importantly, a large portion of the layoffs are not immediate and are scheduled to begin from this month through May, meaning the number could rise as the year progresses.
53   Misc   2024 Mar 20, 9:48am  

Most recent figures for California is 5.2% unemployment rate. Yep, it went up another tick.

https://edd.ca.gov/en/about_edd/news_releases_and_announcements/unemployment-january-2024/
54   GNL   2024 Mar 20, 10:08am  

Misc says

Most recent figures for California is 5.2% unemployment rate. Yep, it went up another tick.

https://edd.ca.gov/en/about_edd/news_releases_and_announcements/unemployment-january-2024/

Would the numbers include illegals?
55   Misc   2024 Mar 20, 10:14am  

There is nothing a few more millions of illegals can't cure.

To answer the question. Yes, it includes illegals.
56   HeadSet   2024 Mar 20, 12:20pm  

Misc says

There is nothing a few more millions of illegals can't cure.

To answer the question. Yes, it includes illegals.

So in California the unemployment stats are not based on how many are collecting unemployment? Or do illegals collect unemployment in CA?
57   Eric Holder   2024 Mar 20, 12:27pm  

HeadSet says


Or do illegals collect unemployment in CA?


But of course:

In California, to be eligible for unemployment benefits, one must meet certain requirements. These include:

Having earned enough wages during the base period.
Being totally or partially unemployed.
Being unemployed through no fault of your own.
Being physically able to work.
Being available for work.
Being ready and willing to accept work immediately.

These requirements apply to all individuals, regardless of their immigration status.


https://edd.ca.gov/en/unemployment/Eligibility
58   HeadSet   2024 Mar 20, 2:02pm  

Eric Holder says

These requirements apply to all individuals, regardless of their immigration status.

Jesus. H. Christ.
59   ElYorsh   2024 Mar 20, 2:11pm  

They only get unemployment if they worked a W2 job. Most of the recent illegals work for Uber, Lyft, Amazon, etc as independent contractors. In CA, only the pandemic "emergency" allowed for IC's to collect unemployment.
60   GNL   2024 Mar 20, 2:27pm  

So, unemployment in CA is not really up if illegals are being counted counted.
61   Misc   2024 Mar 20, 2:55pm  

GNL says

So, unemployment in CA is not really up if illegals are being counted counted.


In California jobs were added, but the labor force grew to such an extent that the overall unemployment rate went up.
62   Onvacation   2024 Mar 21, 5:11am  

Misc says

To answer the question. Yes, it includes illegals.

Includes? Or, is caused by?
63   zzyzzx   2024 Mar 21, 8:59am  

HeadSet says

Or do illegals collect unemployment in CA?


Is there really any doubt in your mind?

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