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Yelp data shows permanent small business closures have exceeded 60% in some markets


               
2020 Sep 16, 10:30am   3,770 views  34 comments

by Automan Empire   follow (1)  

I'm in an essential industry and never closed, but my customers, and their customers on down the line, are tightening their belts and not using the equipment I service. Therefore, I'm feeling the squeeze. In the last 18 months I went from 3 employees to just me running everything.

YELP has plenty of issues and I can't stress enough that businesses should never pay them a dime for marketing services. That said, they provide a good ground-up view of the state of the economy down to a granular, smallest business in town inclusive level of detail. Here's a report on permanent business closures according to their data.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/almost-60-percent-business-closures-are-now-permanent-new-yelp-n1240209

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1   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   @   2020 Sep 16, 10:45am  

All the closures are really fucking people up. Politicians are creating this mess, they are trying to put people into poverty artificially (all under a nice excuse). It's really fucked up.

That's how I feel about it, because their results don't match their words, they match them fucking with us though.
3   Tenpoundbass   @   2020 Oct 12, 7:58am  

I see a huge opportunity in the near future. My hope is, the corporate food industry will have lost their asses so much. That we never see 80% of all restaurant space rented by TGIF, Sweet Tomatoes, Ruby Tuesdays, Chili's and the like. Sends the corporate food investors reeling for a long time to come. I hope people with a genuine appreciation of food will fill the void.

It's going to be a good time to be in the food industry and local entertainment.
4   WookieMan   @   2020 Oct 12, 8:17am  

Automan Empire says

Yelp data shows permanent small business closures have exceeded 60% in some markets

Eh, I'm extremely skeptical of anything yelp does and their data. We're doing just fine out here in IL hill billy country. All the businesses are open and frankly some of them are pretty damn busy. Haven't lost one in my small town, which in theory should be more susceptible to closures. 60% is the extreme case and clearly what the media does to freak you out and get clicks/views.
5   RWSGFY   @   2020 Oct 12, 8:29am  

#fuckyelp
6   WookieMan   @   2020 Oct 12, 8:37am  

Tenpoundbass says
I hope people with a genuine appreciation of food will fill the void.

Not gonna happen. The second a place becomes popular, 90% of the time the owner is thinking franchise the fucker. And then it becomes another place that pumps out shit food.
7   Shaman   @   2020 Oct 12, 8:39am  

WookieMan says
Haven't lost one in my small town,


Lost dozens in my town. And neighboring towns. And all around California as our Dear Leader Gavin Gruesome has ordered restaurants across the state to commit ritual seppuku in service of the Democrat empire. He might kill Hollywood itself before he’s done! Hasn’t been any movies shot here since March.

The crazy thing is how meek and willing the business owners are to kill themselves for this fucked up reason. They aren’t suing and getting injunctions, or simply defying the illegal order in any real numbers. It’s the exception anyway.
If i was a small business owner I’d ignore Newsome and do whatever I could to maximize business. When I got fines I would refuse to pay and sue instead.
8   WookieMan   @   2020 Oct 12, 8:52am  

Shaman says
Lost dozens in my town. And neighboring towns.

That sucks. Besides maybe Chicago or St. Louis, flyover country has seemingly been pretty good. I'm 50 min west of Chicago and shit is going fine here. If you're strictly talking revenue, sure it's probably down. Friday or Saturday nights though most businesses are packed (restaurants specifically). Some have cut hours, but that also reduced expenses, so it's not a huge issue here.
9   Ceffer   @   2020 Oct 12, 4:52pm  

I sold my business years ago because every year the various California oppressions became more onerous, plus, they kept adding up and up. I had to sell it for mental health.

If I had it now through Covid Blue Pill insanity, I would have been forced to take total loss on it, paid off the lease, and started over in a more impoverished condition. I probably could have avoided a bankruptcy, but it would have cost me.

The progressive armageddon-izing of California continues afoot. Maybe I should be grateful for Covid, because it reveals in accelerated fashion the advanced deterioration of the old California whore. California is not the place you want to be when progressives deputize the criminal classes, and the government unions and employees themselves have become the criminal classes.

I remember the scene in Dr. Zhivago, when he returns to his family home to find it occupied by hostile political squatters after the Communist insurrections. He wisely just left, thankful he still had his life. That's what I see coming down the pike. I am certain a day will arrive when a State apparatchik arrives at the door, barely able to speak English, with a clip board to inventory house and belongings to levy further edicted excise taxes. Quartering of homeless is going to be around the corner. The ghetto drops are merely a preview, and my formerly safe area is starting to report the broken car windows, stolen mail and vandalisms. We also spot the usual suspects on bicycles on their burglary shopping assessment tours, something you used to only see in Oakland.

Combine that with months of lung terror with toxic smoke, rolling blackouts, and ALL the already nasty trends just heading relentlessly downward, my wife and I are saying screw "The Weather" and just want to go to a conservative place that will stay that way for the reasonable, foreseeable future. At this point, we could actually live in Caligulan splendor somewhere else and have multiple homes chasing the best times of year for those places.

The reason Johnny Rotten decided to vote for Trump, in spite of voting in the progressive shit previously, was because he is a caretaker for his wife who suffers from dementia and was terrorized because a homeless tent was pitched inside his gate on his front lawn in Venice, and nobody would help him to do anything about it. How they change when the shit comes home to roost.

I lived in Venice, and it was always bohemian druggy and hippie. However, looking at recent pictures, it looks increasingly like a Delhi slum with beach and glitter, homeless people everywhere, and the crowds are ghetto and very strange looking.
10   Tenpoundbass   @   2020 Oct 12, 4:59pm  

WookieMan says
Not gonna happen. The second a place becomes popular, 90% of the time the owner is thinking franchise the fucker. And then it becomes another place that pumps out shit food.


There will be so much available commercial RE for Restaurants. It is going to take years, before the kids of the Owners of the new places(provided they are good and innovative) get old and retire, and their kids went to college instead of taking over the family business. That is what basically happened in South Florida. When I first got here, Bennagins, and TGIF were at Malls, and the Airport, they had too much competition in the neighborhoods, with the best Jewish Deli's, Authentic NYC and Chicago Pizza joints, Steak and Seafood houses. They all moved on and then Corporate food moved in and replaced them
11   Booger   @   2020 Oct 12, 7:02pm  

Fuck Yelp!
12   Patrick   @   2020 Oct 13, 8:17am  

Ceffer says
I am certain a day will arrive when a State apparatchik arrives at the door, barely able to speak English, with a clip board to inventory house and belongings to levy further edicted excise taxes. Quartering of homeless is going to be around the corner.


We are already arriving there in some ways. The governor is literally suggesting taxing people who did nothing wrong to pay black people "reparations" for things that happened far away in other states, and the homeless are being quartered in hotels in SF.
13   WookieMan   @   2020 Oct 13, 9:28am  

Patrick says
Ceffer says
I am certain a day will arrive when a State apparatchik arrives at the door, barely able to speak English, with a clip board to inventory house and belongings to levy further edicted excise taxes. Quartering of homeless is going to be around the corner.


We are already arriving there in some ways. The governor is literally suggesting taxing people who did nothing wrong to pay black people "reparations" for things that happened far away in other states, and the homeless are being quartered in hotels in SF.

Given the current Covid conditions, why do some of you guys continue to live in CA? We all know the benefits from a scenery and weather standpoint. But is it really worth it? My neighbor is doing the same job I think some of you are in programming and IT and making close to $200k at 39 living in a $280k house that would be easily $2M in desirable neighborhoods out there. Even if you wanted to do Naperville or Winnetka, you could get in for $700k-1M and likely have an amazing home. McMansion type shit.

I don't know, it just boggles my mind how some of you deal with it. Weather aside, life is pretty damn easy here in IL if you've got even average skills that can pay.
14   Tenpoundbass   @   2020 Oct 13, 9:40am  

I would also add with the invention of services like Door Dash and Uber Eats, it will make the Mom and Pop's reach much bigger than it ever was.

The corner store near me, has a small kitchen area, where they always served up Hood Fried Chicken and other snacks. The last several years a guy who shouldn't even be in food business. Has taken over. He has the worlds most busiest eclectic menu you've ever seen. He has a great Steak Sub, and that's about it. And I had to tell him how to make mine, that he now does for everyone. His Gyros suck as does his Chicken Pargm and when he has a Black cook there, his fried Chicken is great. He sucks at making fried Chicken.

One day I asked him, why do you have so much on your menu? Why don't you simplify, there's no way you sell all of the items on this menu to keep a fresh turn over. Gordon Ramsey would savage you.
He said he does 99% of his business through Door Dash and Uber Eats and his reach is from Miami Beach to Pompano Beach a good 30 mile diameter. Less than 1% is walk in customers. Which seems like a lot. He's always got about 10 bags and boxes of food lined up ready for pickup from the drivers. He says he has 15 drivers. Door Dash and Uber Eats pays them. He's a little pricey though. $15 for most sandwich and fries dishes.

He was putting lettuce, tomato and mayo on a Steak Sub over cold bread.
I told him, to butter my bread and place it on the grill and let it toast while the beef, onions and peppers were grilling. and put the lettuce mayo and tomato on the next guys burger.
15   clambo   @   2020 Oct 13, 9:41am  

So restaurants which hire illegals are closing? Good.

Bars where young guys attend sausage fests (40 male:1 female) are closing? Good.

It’s too bad for the people who work legally, but I am not upset about it.

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