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Automan Empire says

After all of the banging on about election fraud and discrediting and dismantling the mail system as a method of voting, it's really rich to see the GOP placing their own special ballot collection boxes out in public.

AB306 does NOT specifically authorize partisan groups to place ballot collection boxes, that is a stretch of an interpretation mostly attractive to people biased toward a GOP-postive outcome.

The point of the article, as I understand it, is that Democratic Party proponents have been harvesting ballots for the last few elections and have even changed election laws to make it even easier. Now, when Republican Party proponents start making some moves to harvest ballots, the Democrat-controlled state election officials are upset. It's the hypocrisy of one group setting the rules favorable to their tactics and then complaining when the opponents leverage those very same rules.

Automan Empire says

I haven't introduced, much less defended or recommended, any media outlet to this discussion thread.

Then where do you get your facts, to dispute what I'm posting? I've been following a bigger story, than the narrative that the GOP decided to just throw out a ballot drop box on the streets one day. And the Democrats dindu nuffin. Whoa, Oh Nelly! The Democrats are being disenfranchised now, the GOP is Ballot harvesting and projecting it on the Democrats. And they dinevin du nuffin!

I mean what's your take on it, because to accuse the GOP of projecting election rigging on the Democrats at this point. You need to offer up more proof, than a Chuck Schumer CNN screed. No I'm not projecting that you have. But punching holes in the process and method of our discussion, doesn't make your argument.

I've studied this for five years, from facts and sources, through channels that were the only available outlets for the truth. Unless you can inform me otherwise, I'll have to trust the crowd sourced truth, those interested enough to follow the last five years. All know as common knowledge. And Maddows, Acosta, and Cooper are no where near close.

Tenpoundbass says

hen where do you get your facts

Inductive reasoning, meaning bringing all of my carefully accumulated knowledge to bear on a given problem. I don't take any news outlet at their word, but some have maintained good credibility while others have blatantly lied so many times they practically taint any legit news story they do run. I cross check new information against many sources and consider the known biases of each.

Most beliefs and assumptions aren't binary to me, they are more like a constellation of probabilities, for they often depend on unreliable or unavailable data about many aspects of them. It's a lot of mental work, but it helps resist some of the human mind's computational shortcuts and limitations.

The price of not doing this is finding changing genuinely bogus ideas becomes more uncomfortable and mentally burdensome than attacking or ignoring the challenger. One ends up trapped in a state of being fractally wrong about the world and society around them.

So you're consuming the news and going with your gut. That's what they hoped you would do.

The difference in Trump supporters and those who despise him no matter what.

They have been following the News for the last 5 years.
While we have been studying the Facts.

Just go to WashingtonPost.com and see how buried the Hunter Biden story is. Then when you find it, it is riddled with.

"Allegedly", "Presumably", "But there's no proof Biden replied to the email",

then there's another article on their site hidden away.
"Biden's laptop explainer"

CNN doesn't have one single article, about any truth bombs that has come out the last several weeks.

We've been feeding on the actual intel as it has leaked over the last five years. At a great cost and disservice to the facts.
I can't help but feel if the good guys, the whistle blowers, the crowd sourced investigators, the Congressmen paying attention, the folks in the DOJ that are paying attention, all kept their mouth shut, and didn't put it out for TGP, Breitbart, The Conservative Treehouse, 4Chan, and all else to digest and inform those interested in the facts.
If they had just sat on it, and not allowed Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson to slowly release the pressure to the point, the Left feels like it's a nothing burger by now, and the Right feels more vindicated than Angry.
Then there would be 2 million man march on Washington today demanding the incarceration of all of Obama's administration, and demanding about 40% of Congress and the Senate to step down, because they've all known about it for as long as we have. And most were instrumental in the execution of these crimes, and seditious acts.

Which has all been part of their plan. Don't let them get away with it, with complacency, and saying. Well if it didn't come up on my Yahoo news feed, then it isn't true.

At least take a curious eye to it, and seek out the truth. Then I will accept if you want to say.

"Well I'm a a partisan thinker, and I don't see a problem with what the Establishment did, before Trump, during his campaign and since he came in office. I just want to see Democrats win. It's a means to an end."

I can at least reason with that logic. I don't get people who just assume that if Wapo and CNN isn't outraged then it didn't happen. But if they are, then Trump had Russian hookers piss on him.

I don't get it.

Automan Empire says

. I don't take any news outlet at their word, but some have maintained good credibility

Which news outlet are you talking about? Fox? They seem a bit biased to me. Will you name the source of your propaganda?

Onvacation says

Which news outlet are you talking about? Fox?

My brother told me about his TDS mother in law. He said all she does is watch FOX and bitches about Trump.

FOX has become the cable news channel of choice for the TDS. I miss the good ole days, when the Democrats were trying to shut them down for being the Only conservative voice in the Cable news market.

Tenpoundbass says

I miss the good ole days, when the Democrats were trying to shut them down for being the Only conservative voice in the Cable news market.

15 years ago, all Fox "news" did was perpetuate propaganda to support the stupid Iraq War that George W. Bush lied this nation into.

At the time, I was bothered by the fact that US "news" channels were nakedly pushing propaganda, and were perfectly willing to misinform and lie to the population. The result of Fox "news" being on the air though demonstrated that all "news" channels in the United States, all of them, promote propaganda and are perfectly willing to misinform and lie to the population.

There's no reason to hold Fox accountable for being the propaganda arm of the 4th Reich instead of the 4th estate because they are all propaganda arms now and perhaps have always been.

richwicks says

15 years ago, all Fox "news" did was perpetuate propaganda to support the stupid Iraq War that George W. Bush lied this nation into.

Me. The Dixie Chicks and Richard Gere were the only people in America that didn't want Bush to go into the Afghanistan or Iraq.

Tenpoundbass says

richwicks says

15 years ago, all Fox "news" did was perpetuate propaganda to support the stupid Iraq War that George W. Bush lied this nation into.

Me. The Dixie Chicks and Richard Gere were the only people in America that didn't want Bush to go into the Afghanistan or Iraq.

And all those anti-war protestors. Don't you remember them?

Barely - because Obama did have quite a success, he absolutely destroyed the anti-war movement, as he went on to bomb Libya, Syria, Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen.

There was no antiwar movement on the eve of Bush taking us into the middle east. Most Americans bought it all hook line and sinker. They welcomed the formation of the Homeland Security Administration.

There was no Patnet then, so I'm not saying those here were pro Bush war. But from my POV in my neck of the woods, everyone thought it was unpatriotic of me, to say it was a bad thing.

Tenpoundbass says

There was no antiwar movement on the eve of Bush taking us into the middle east.

Yes, there absolutely was. People went to Iraq to be human shields, there was Cindy Sheehan.

The only thing the Obama administration did was to destroy that movement. That is why the Neocon traitor Obama is "remembered" so fondly by our so-called "news" media.

I used to post on yahoo when all "news" articles had comments. Most of us were anti-war, people explained who Scott Ritter was, what Hussein did to religious leaders seeking political power, and why it was impossible that binLaden would have worked with Hussein. You can't see this now, because yahoo simply deleted all of that information.

Our government pretends there was no anti-war movement, and you're falling for it. Our government is just a group of criminal scum, and they lie to you constantly. They need you obedience for them to get away with their unspeakable crimes.