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Bitcoin Misinformation


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2020 Nov 10, 10:01am   136,790 views  2,177 comments

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In my opinion, it’s a colossal pump-and-dump scheme, the likes of which the world has never seen. In a pump-and-dump game, promoters “pump” up the price of a security creating a speculative frenzy, then “dump” some of their holdings at artificially high prices. And some cryptocurrencies are pure frauds. Ernst & Young estimates that 10 percent of the money raised for initial coin offerings has been stolen.

The losers are ill-informed buyers caught up in the spiral of greed. The result is a massive transfer of wealth from ordinary families to internet promoters. And “massive” is a massive understatement — 1,500 different cryptocurrencies now register over $300 billion of “value.”

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/24/17275202/bitcoin-scam-cryptocurrency-mining-pump-dump-fraud-ico-value

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1436   Onvacation   2021 Sep 25, 8:12am  

Cash says
I see the "Creator of Mass Misinformation WookieMan" spews again, Blabber on as if anyone could ever stop you lmao

Is he wrong? Do you think people will use bitcoin in a crash?

Argue against his ideas instead of attacking him personally.
1438   seesaw   2021 Sep 27, 1:49pm  

"double your cash"... wtf... regardless if its cash, bitcoin, rubles, pesos, if you fall for the scam, then do we put you, in a stupid category?
I don't express about crypto that often... I know that in 2013, there was no talk of all this crap in this post.
What you don't know or understand leads to those who throw stones. If you didn't get in, in that time frame, their's not much you can say... the small guy had their chance, and those that got in, and stayed in, should be happy.
I took notice in 2013 II got a lot of shit talk, when it peaked at 1200 and did a bounce back down. I really had to turn my back on them... to the skeptics..
It's like a 50 year old working in a corp. world... when the manager saids:.."Were getting new software for our department"... and I see them storming off to the coffee room...
I have to learn something new?
I like my cash... I dont want to convert...
It's my analogy... thanks... I'll stop drinking...
1439   Bitcoin   2021 Sep 28, 11:04am  

Investing in Cardano (ADA) has been the most profitable of all my investments in this life. Cardano is the #3 crypto by marketcap now and just released smart contracts. I invested in it when barely anybody talked about it.

Gen 1 crypto > Bitcoin
Gen 2 crypto > Ethereum (smart contracts) and the other shitcoins
Gen 3 crypto > Cardano (ADA), proof of stake, lets you earn 5% on your holdings....invested in it when it was around 10 cents....now trading over two dollars. Lets go baby!
1440   Onvacation   2021 Oct 5, 6:49am  

seesaw says
double your cash"... wtf... regardless if its cash, bitcoin, rubles, pesos, if you fall for the scam, then do we put you, in a stupid category?

How about "ignorant"?
1441   WookieMan   2021 Oct 5, 2:19pm  

Onvacation says
Argue against his ideas instead of attacking him personally.

I don't even care anymore. I get your point about debate. But it hasn't and won't change the pumpers. It's a blind dogma for something that will certainly fail. Public companies with assets do all the time. Crypto has no assets, or at least bitcoin.

There really isn't an argument to be had on the topic. It just turns into pumping which is the goal of the troll pumpers. I've stopped engaging the idiocy of it all. They can go ahead and claim that last piece of shit at the end of a sewer line for another five years. I'm trying to stay out of these threads as much as possible.
1442   Onvacation   2021 Oct 12, 6:47am  

WookieMan says
There really isn't an argument to be had on the topic. It just turns into pumping which is the goal of the troll pumpers

Yup.

The value of bitcoin depends on HODLERS thinking they have digital gold. I always laugh when I hear things like, "The market cap of bitcoin has exceeded the GDP of Slovakia". As if trading tokens have a market cap.
1443   Onvacation   2021 Oct 20, 12:19pm  

Mark of the beast!

1 bitcoin = $66616.19
1444   Onvacation   2022 Jan 3, 7:08pm  

Just heard a crypto ad, "If you had bought $5,000 worth of Ethereum 6 months ago you would be sitting on $10,000 today!" People still be "HODLing"(spell check actually knows what that is!)
1445   Onvacation   2022 Jan 22, 9:41am  

Bitcoin is down to mid 30k range.

TIME TO BUY!!!

HODL HODL HODL
1446   clambo   2022 Jan 22, 11:07am  

“Easy come, easy go.”
1447   RWSGFY   2022 Jan 22, 11:42am  

So how come this crypto shit is falling in unison with stonks, spooked by inflation? Wasn't it supposed to be a hedge against exactly this kind of crap?
1448   Bd6r   2022 Jan 22, 12:41pm  

Onvacation says
Argue against his ideas instead of attacking him personally.

That's absolutely no fun.
1449   richwicks   2022 Jan 22, 1:28pm  

FuckCCP89 says
So how come this crypto shit is falling in unison with stonks, spooked by inflation? Wasn't it supposed to be a hedge against exactly this kind of crap?


The current cryptos are entirely based on speculation, just as stocks are.

I don't know about all cryptos, but with Bitcoin in particular, it's unworkable as a way to pay for goods and services. Basically, if you were buying a car, or a house, or some other large purchase that would take around 20 minutes or more to do the transaction, it MIGHT be useful for that.

But nothing else. It's a distributed database, and it's SLOW, so when you move money from one wallet to another, it's both a lengthy, and costly process.
1450   Patrick   2022 Jan 22, 3:58pm  

richwicks says
The current cryptos are entirely based on speculation, just as stocks are.


Well, stocks have a kind of natural floor to them. Stocks are in theory shares in an income-producing company. If that income is 10% or higher (a p/e ratio of 10 or lower), rational people will "stock up" on that stock to get that income, assuming they believe the returns will continue at a similar rate.

But yes, on the other side, stocks can be bid far beyond any justification based on the income they produce. That part is speculation.
1451   Bitcoin   2022 Jan 22, 4:00pm  

No way.....Crypto is correcting and all the haters found their cheerleader gear to celebrate. Lol. It just never fails. The entire way up you hear nothing but when it corrects they are all awake :)
1452   Patrick   2022 Jan 22, 8:45pm  

Most of my stocks are value stocks that pay dividends. They all got hit too recently. But I still feel good about them long-term.
1453   komputodo   2022 Jan 22, 9:03pm  

What happened to the bitcoin cheerleader that was here a few months ago? Especially now that it's off 50% from its Nov 2021 high. If and when he comes back, he'll tell us he sold at the peak.
Bitcoin says
Yeah, Agree....its best to put cash to work by investing it into stocks, RE and Bitcoin.

My friend Jerry told me that everytime he puts his cash to work, it gets fired.
1454   Onvacation   2022 Jan 23, 10:00am  

richwicks says
But nothing else. It's a distributed database, and it's SLOW, so when you move money from one wallet to another, it's both a lengthy, and costly process

And that is all it is, a distributed database. Some HODL'ers think it will one day be THE currency and the early adopters will be filthy rich.
1455   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2022 Jan 23, 2:38pm  

richwicks says
I don't know about all cryptos, but with Bitcoin in particular, it's unworkable as a way to pay for goods and services.


This shows me you don't know anything about ALL cryptos including bitcorn.
1456   richwicks   2022 Jan 23, 6:09pm  

clambo says
If stocks are speculative, why am I swimming in dividends?

Don’t buy stocks by all means, they’re just a scam.

The megabucks I made with AAPL is just an illusion and they are going out of business soon.

I should quickly take my profits and wisely invest in BTC.


There's no connection to price and earnings.

And with regard to Apple and their customers - you're basically depending on a segment of society to spend over $1000 and a $100 phone, and spend $200 on a $25 head piece.

I'm an engineer, and I go between "these poor people just don't know what they are doing" to "these stupid assholes deserve to be ripped off".

Tesla has a market cap that is higher than ALL the car manufactures of the United States. It has lower range, it's impossible to work on by a general mechanic, it's untested in the long term, and it doesn't in ANY WAY reduce usage of fossil fuels.

My worst problem is that I 1) will recognize a scam very early on and 2) have been programmed by my fucking parents not to engage in scams. It's immoral.

Tesla is a scam, Apple is a scam on its consumers, Elizabeth Holmes was a scam (obvious one with her fake deep voice), Bitcoin is a scam because it's untradeable, global warming is a scam, Solyndra was a scam, Facebook is a scam, Rumble is a new scam - but a scam. It's not to say you can't make money on these things, I'm saying that the only way you make money is a Ponzi scheme, get a greater fool into it, that's it.

I'd be better off if I was more of a fool. I over-estimate the intelligence and discernment of people pretty consistently. Either people are stupid, or they are unethical and I don't want to be part of either group.
1457   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2022 Jan 23, 6:12pm  

richwicks says
Bitcoin is a scam because it's untradeable


FJB says
richwicks says
I don't know about all cryptos, but with Bitcoin in particular, it's unworkable as a way to pay for goods and services.


This shows me you don't know anything about ALL cryptos including bitcorn.


https://lightning.network/lightning-network-paper.pdf
1458   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2022 Jan 23, 6:21pm  

@richwicks in essence what you said would be equivalent to saying TCP/IP has no real value. It just moves packets around, you can't make money off of it, it's a scam - back in the day.
1459   richwicks   2022 Jan 23, 6:21pm  

FJB says
richwicks says
I don't know about all cryptos, but with Bitcoin in particular, it's unworkable as a way to pay for goods and services.


This shows me you don't know anything about ALL cryptos including bitcorn.


Oh my fucking god.

You have NEVER moved a bitcoin from one wallet to another or attempted to have you?

It takes minutes sometimes hours, sometimes DAYS.

Buy groceries with that.

I have a few bitcoins somewhere in the mound of HDDs I have. It's not even worth my time to find them. Even if I had them at my immediate disposal, I know it's a scam, I'm just taking advantage of some poor dope buying into it. This will NEVER be a workable currency.

When a system comes out that allows you to move the token (and it's a token) from one wallet to another within < 1 second, wake me up. THAT is a solution. That's a workable currency.

All Bitcoin is, is a massively distributed database, and it's very fucking slow. The hope of all this bullshit is that eventually, a massively distributed database can be made to work in real time. Now if you can DO THAT - that's worth some fucking money. Not just passing around tokens, but passing around anything. That's a billion dollar solution, and the idea has been around for at least 2 decades, and there may be no solution.
1460   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2022 Jan 23, 6:22pm  

richwicks says
You have NEVER moved a bitcoin from one wallet to another or attempted to have you?


Of course I have.
1461   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2022 Jan 23, 6:22pm  

FJB says
@richwicks in essence what you said would be equivalent to saying TCP/IP has no real value. It just moves packets around, you can't make money off of it, it's a scam - back in the day.
1462   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2022 Jan 23, 6:24pm  

richwicks says
The hope of all this bullshit is that eventually, a massively distributed database can be made to work in real time. Now if you can DO THAT - that's worth some fucking money


Again, read the fucking paper I linked above. Clearly you haven't heard of the lightning network or can't fathom the idea that LAYERS are being added to this tech, just like Amazon and Google are layers on TCP/IP. People can poo poo most of the alt coins all they want and I'll be right there in agreement with them but people who spout ignorant nonsense about bitcorn don't know shit about shit.
1463   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2022 Jan 23, 6:25pm  

Maybe you should stick to posting about things you understand like charging stations.
1464   richwicks   2022 Jan 23, 8:02pm  

FJB says
richwicks says
You have NEVER moved a bitcoin from one wallet to another or attempted to have you?


Of course I have.


How long did it take, and what was the cost, and what year?

You might be out of date.
1465   richwicks   2022 Jan 23, 8:06pm  

FJB says
richwicks says
The hope of all this bullshit is that eventually, a massively distributed database can be made to work in real time. Now if you can DO THAT - that's worth some fucking money


Again, read the fucking paper I linked above. Clearly you haven't heard of the lightning network or can't fathom the idea that LAYERS are being added to this tech, just like Amazon and Google are layers on TCP/IP. People can poo poo most of the alt coins all they want and I'll be right there in agreement with them but people who spout ignorant nonsense about bitcorn don't know shit about shit.


Central banks created WWII and WWI - EVEN if the technology is possible (and it's not to my knowledge), it won't be allowed.

That's why we're all locked down because we have a "pandemic" of which we have an average survivability rate of 99.5%.

My problem is I recognize a scam FAR too early to participate in it.

A fast distributed database, that's got far reaching implications. You don't even have to have gains in a currency, just stability in buying power.
1466   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2022 Jan 23, 8:17pm  

richwicks says
How long did it take, and what was the cost, and what year?

You might be out of date.


Quit evading, read the lightning network paper that describes a solution that addresses your 'takes too long', type of concern among others and reply after that. It's already a working solution that you were completely unaware of because you don't know shit about shit.

Then, try to shoot that down and don't keep evading like you did several months ago when I corrected some deep deep misconceptions you have about biology. You just disappeared. I assume you will again or will just obfuscate in your reply like you did above.
1467   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2022 Jan 23, 8:20pm  

As for other folks on here that don't like bitcorn. I get it. You're 1-2 decades older than rickwicks and myself and I get it. You don't want to learn new tricks and don't have to most likely. Fair enough.

Richwicks is far too young to be yelling at kids to get off of his lawn. His misinformation might persuade some younger folks to make poor decisions. Like I did about a decade ago at work when I mentioned I was considering buying some bitcorn to my fellow scientists and engineers.

Moral of the story: Don't take investment advice from scientists and engineers
1468   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2022 Jan 23, 8:28pm  

richwicks says
it won't be allowed.


Bullshit. Congress criters are buying in. The ones running for office (both left and right) are behind it. Pension funds, hedge funds and banks are buying in. The loudmouth anti-bitcoin names of the past like Ray Dalio and buying in AND were doing so while spreading FUD.

There are countless companies being spun up to address this new market. Silicon Valley can't hold onto their engineers for these new job roles. One country made it a currency last year (El Salvador) and I'm going to bet at least 2 more do it this year.

Some countries are allowing spot market ETFs already (we allowed a futures ETF last year and spot will happen b/c we aren't N. Korea).

Beyond that, aside from BTC in general countries are spinning up their own block chains to trade with each other outside of the SWIFT system. If we don't embrace bitcorn we are fucked when the dollar dies. If we do all fiats will collapse into the dollar (and maybe the Yen or whatever China calls their CBDC) and the dollar will be the main fiat people trade in and out of - keeping it around for a while longer.

The "won't allow" trope is 5 year old FUD! Where the fuck have you been?!
1469   richwicks   2022 Jan 23, 8:30pm  

FJB says
FJB says
@richwicks in essence what you said would be equivalent to saying TCP/IP has no real value. It just moves packets around, you can't make money off of it, it's a scam - back in the day.


Don't strawman me. You know you are engaging in a logical fallacy, but you do it anyhow.

The problem with a distributed database is that you need to have all machines on at all times, you need to have timely connections to them, and you have to have fast indexing to access them.

Even with bit-torrent, it takes 30 seconds or so before the connection(s) are made. Once it gets going, provided with enough peers, you hit saturation of bandwidth. These are minimal transactions, so it's 30 seconds just to ESTABLISH a connection, and then you're on a priority list.

Distributed databases are great for maximum bandwidth at the cost of enormous latency. For the tokens, you want minimal bandwidth and low latency.

The current patches are centralization - the EXACT OPPOSITE of what these crypto currencies were meant to do away with.

Let me explain how this works - say you're looking for a 4K block of text of a file that has this md5sum:

0af8e52a6941bf0035eb6b54f8b56449

There are 150 peers that have the main file that has this md5sum:

97751050ca4fd56a3cc437523bcd47ef

Your computer will connect to all 150 peers in parallel to find that 4K block you're looking for.

Now scale that up to 250 million instead of 150 peers. That's why it's slow. I can see this happen now. A new file is published, EVERYBODY wants to get it AT THAT MOMENT, and your computer is stuck trying to find new parts. So even though the entire file is available on the network, your computer is not able to find it. After 8 hours, sure, you have the file, and have seeded it out 20 times, but you've used 1/2 the bandwidth just checking "do YOU have this piece yet?"

It's an interesting problem. Anyhow that's the problem all cryptos (currently in my knowledge) have. You're trying to find a tiny thing, in a sea of machines. I have some ideas of how this can mitigated, but they all involve centralization.
1470   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2022 Jan 23, 8:31pm  

READ!

THE!

FUCKING!

PAPER!

Or go watch a youtube video sheesh.
1471   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2022 Jan 23, 8:33pm  

richwicks says
Don't strawman me. You know you are engaging in a logical fallacy, but you do it anyhow.


strawman my ass!
1472   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2022 Jan 23, 8:33pm  

(he's not going to read the paper; I rest my case)
1473   Misc   2022 Jan 23, 8:52pm  

Bitcoin is not new and it is one of the most widely held financial assets in the world. Between Coinbase and E-Toro (just 2 firms) they have over 90 million clients. There are a plethora of other firms trading crypto currencies all over the world probably with hundreds of millions of other clients. There's over 19k different crypto currencies.

These clients tend to be active traders with about $50 billion in value of Bitcoin traded per day. With a capitalization rate of about $670 billion for Bitcoin, that's over 8% of the entire Bitcoin universe traded every day.

The money made by these exchanges is enormous.

The people investing in Bitcoin are generally not sophisticated investors, with most accounts being only a few hundred dollars.

It is an item for shear speculation.
1474   Onvacation   2022 Jan 24, 5:57am  

FJB says
richwicks says
I don't know about all cryptos, but with Bitcoin in particular, it's unworkable as a way to pay for goods and services.


This shows me you don't know anything about ALL cryptos including bitcorn.

Are you saying crypto IS good for paying for goods and services?
1475   Onvacation   2022 Jan 24, 6:02am  

FJB says
people who spout ignorant nonsense about bitcorn don't know shit about shit.

OH, you're talking about poop! If you chew the corn more thoroughly the bits won't be recognizable.

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