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Bitcoin Misinformation


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2020 Nov 10, 10:01am   130,455 views  2,169 comments

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In my opinion, it’s a colossal pump-and-dump scheme, the likes of which the world has never seen. In a pump-and-dump game, promoters “pump” up the price of a security creating a speculative frenzy, then “dump” some of their holdings at artificially high prices. And some cryptocurrencies are pure frauds. Ernst & Young estimates that 10 percent of the money raised for initial coin offerings has been stolen.

The losers are ill-informed buyers caught up in the spiral of greed. The result is a massive transfer of wealth from ordinary families to internet promoters. And “massive” is a massive understatement — 1,500 different cryptocurrencies now register over $300 billion of “value.”

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/24/17275202/bitcoin-scam-cryptocurrency-mining-pump-dump-fraud-ico-value

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1713   clambo   2022 Feb 17, 8:22am  

Crypto is popular the wannabes who believe in getting rich quickly like you can do in Las Vegas.
It’s just as likely to make them rich as a trip to Las Vegas too.

I talked to a young guy in Baja who said I should get into a crypto currency that wasn’t Bitcoin (how many are there?) ; he showed me on his phone that it rose 500% in a short time.

“Interesting, I’m doing okay with my stocks and stock mutual funds too.”
He was obviously not bucks up but not a bad kid.
I felt a little sorry for his young wife however, hopefully she will buy some mutual funds for herself someday.
1714   Bitcoin   2022 Feb 17, 9:13am  

Remember when Jamie Dimon (JP Morgan Chase) was telling us how bad Bitcoin is? Just shortly before JP Morgan

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/05/bitcoin-jpmorgan-led-by-jamie-dimon-quietly-unveils-access-to-a-half-dozen-crypto-funds.html?source=patrick.net

"On Thursday, financial advisors were allowed to begin placing private bank clients into a new bitcoin fund created with crypto firm NYDIG, according to people with knowledge of the move.
Late last month, JPMorgan rolled out access to four funds from Grayscale Investments and one from Osprey Funds, according to the people."



And Remember Warren Buffet?
He used to be a crypto bear, but now there is news saying he invested $1B USD into a crypto friendly bank in order to gain exposure to fintech:

https://www.cnbctv18.com/cryptocurrency/warren-buffetts-berkshire-invests-1-billion-in-crypto-friendly-nubank-12533352.htm?source=patrick.net

"The decision to back Nubank is a major milestone for Berkshire Hathaway’s investment strategy. It’s an indicator that Warren Buffett’s firm is starting to move away from credit companies and focusing more on fintech firms."


notice something ? :) mass adoption of crypto is happening fast.

one more for you: The state of Colorado accepts Bitcoin payments now:

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/colorado-crypto-tax-payments-polis-state-bitcoin-governor-us-cryptocurrency-2022-2?source=patrick.net
1715   Cash   2022 Feb 17, 9:15am  

Ukraine legalises Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies
https://coinjournal.net/news/ukraine-legalises-bitcoin-and-other-cryptocurrencies/?source=patrick.net

Today, the government officially passed a law legalising Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. The bill was originally passed last September, although Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelanskyy had sent it back to parliament for changes. Today, four months later, it has been formally signed into law.
1716   Cash   2022 Feb 17, 9:49am  

PIX: The new instant payment system from Central Bank of Brazil
https://business.ebanx.com/en/resources/payments-explained/pix-instant-payment-system?source=patrick.net

1. What are instant payments?
Instant Payments are electronic money transfers between different institutions where the payment message transmission and fund availability to the final beneficiary occur in real-time, and whose service is available to end-users 24/7.

The Central Bank in Brazil saw the need to create and regulate this new payment arrangement because of the digitalization of e-commerce and the current gap in payment methods.

SWIFT system is being dismantled or min re-worked for instant cross border pmts. and it isn't with BTC
#XRP
1717   Onvacation   2022 Feb 17, 11:38am  

Misc says
The he finds some not so bright banker

So the banker is the greater fool.

The only way to make money in crypto is to find some fool to buy it.
1718   Onvacation   2022 Feb 17, 11:40am  

Cash says
Today, the government officially passed a law legalising Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.

Was it illegal before?
1720   Cash   2022 Feb 20, 7:09am  

Canada Fails Personal Wallet Request to Freeze Bitcoin
https://investmentbusinessu.com/2022/02/19/canada-fails-personal-wallet-request-to-freeze-bitcoin/?source=patrick.net

Dear Ontario Supreme Court Justice,

Nunchuk is a multitasking, collaborative, and self-isolating Bitcoin wallet. We are a software provider, not a financial broker or custodian.

Our software is free to use. It enables people to eliminate individual points of failure and store bitcoins as securely as possible while maintaining privacy.

We do not collect any user identification information other than email addresses. We don’t have any keys either. So:

We cannot “freeze our users’ assets”.

We cannot “prevent transfers”.

We have no knowledge of the “existence, nature, value and location” of our users’ assets.

Learn how self-locking and private keys work. When the Canadian dollar is worthless, we’ll be here for you too.

sincerely,

Team Nunchuck”.
1721   Onvacation   2022 Feb 20, 7:27am  

Team Nunchuck says
When the Canadian dollar is worthless,

Bitcoin will be worth a million Canadian dollars, maybe more.

TO THE MOON!
1723   Patrick   2022 Feb 22, 6:22am  

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/governments-are-about-to-come-for?source=patrick.net





a friendly reminder that he who controls the ability to store, access, and transfer money can exert near total control over a society.

it’s a thing you need to know. because believe you me, the governments know it too and they rely heavily upon this monopoly for both surveillance and for suppression.

you’re seeing it right now in canada as funds for protesters get frozen, blocked, and outright stolen.

the families of those who donated to the truckers (and had their data hacked) are finding their accounts frozen by the government. it’s being used as explicit punishment under emergency powers to silence and attack peaceful political opponents. ...

we did not take your right to speech, we just took your money because you spoke. (and yes, political donations are and must be protected speech) ...




it’s not an accident that as we see this in the US:

this convoy is being largely funded by crypto. and yeah, sure, you cannot seize a cold wallet that is self stored and air-gapped and sure, there is generally no fiduciary to force,

BUT, and this is a major but, it’s also pretty hard to turn that BTC or ETH into USD that you can use to buy, say, diesel fuel without tripping over the US government.

and i’m very curious to see if this is something they manage to get around. ...

the “globalist” leaders are not taking kindly to the idea of challenge to their control of money systems.

make no mistake: the fight to control money will be the axis mundi of the social credit systems the collectivist planners seek to impose.

any tool the state can use against your enemies it can turn upon you as well.

and in time, they will. ...


and this is exactly why taking them away and rendering money, commerce, savings, and investment opaque to government will be one of the most important projects of the coming decade.

it will fundamentally reshape the nature of the relationship between people and government and result in perhaps the most potent reapportionment of power since the magna carta or the bill of rights.

it will make we the people the customer of the state not its subject because the state will not be able to grab wealth at will anymore. you cannot tax what you cannot see.




they declare emergency, brand opposition as terrorists, and start seizing assets.

this is a playbook straight from the 1930’s.

this is not fixable. we cannot get a “nice leviathan that respects you.’

moving outside it and making it subject to our tolerance rather than we to its is the only way.

the technology is, for the first time, really available to do this.


One way is to simply scp signed files around.
1724   Cash   2022 Feb 27, 9:40am  

Although I am not a big fan of BTC or ETH thought I would share the realized price of BTC where
the avg. price BTC was acquired is $25,425 so the majority of holders are still in unrealized profit of 35%.
https://stats.buybitcoinworldwide.com/realized-price/?source=patrick.net
1725   Onvacation   2022 Feb 27, 11:45am  

Cash says
the majority of holders are still in unrealized profit of 35%.

Holders? or HODLer's?

The reason bitcoin is as high as it is is the artificial scarcity. If even a couple million people want to buy a couple thousand Satoshis that would overwhelm the new supply. Many of these buyers are already HODLer's who are "dollar cost averaging" into "digital gold" because "They aren't making any more".
1726   Cash   2022 Feb 27, 12:02pm  

Cash says
Although I am not a big fan of BTC or ETH

These are the coins to consider: ISO 20022 Cryptos: 5 Compliant Cryptos to Keep an Eye on in 2022
https://investorplace.com/2021/12/iso-20022-cryptos-5-compliant-cryptos-to-keep-an-eye-on-in-2022/?source=patrick.net
1727   Cash   2022 Feb 27, 12:13pm  

Onvacation says
Holders? or HODLer's?

At this point you tell me?
1728   Cash   2022 Feb 27, 12:16pm  

I will say considering 76%+ of BTC haven't been moved in the last 6mo. I'd say there are probably a whole lot of HODLer's going on
1729   Cash   2022 Mar 2, 9:32am  

Billionaire Ken Griffin Admits He Was Wrong About Bitcoin, Crypto
The famous hedge fund manager has always been one of the fiercest critics of cryptocurrencies.
https://www.thestreet.com/investing/cryptocurrency/billionaire-ken-griffin-admits-he-was-wrong-about-bitcoin-crypto?source=patrick.net
1730   Onvacation   2022 Mar 8, 6:39am  

Bitcoin stuck under $40K, but BTC price hits another all-time high vs. Russian ruble
1731   RWSGFY   2022 Mar 8, 7:52am  

Onvacation says
Bitcoin stuck under $40K, but BTC price hits another all-time high vs. Russian ruble


Even fucking cowrie shells hit all-time high against Rubble (sic!).
1732   Onvacation   2022 Mar 8, 10:47am  

In the end fiat will be worthless and crypto will still be valued in fiat, or seashells.
1733   Rin   2022 Mar 8, 12:40pm  

Onvacation says
Bitcoin stuck under $40K


If you look at last year's breakout ...

https://patrick.net/post/1338279/2021-02-28-rin-s-5-min-take-on-bitcoin



The price congestion, ala area of testing, is at the higher Fibonacci bracket than that of 2021. If anything, this is a classic bullish entity, even if it's based on a collective delusion of e-gold.

Realize, bullishness doesn't mean Proctor & Gamble, Exxon-Mobil, or 3M. Those are Fortune 1000 blue chips. Bullishness is simply how a market is moving.
1735   Bitcoin   2022 Mar 9, 8:46am  

Onvacation says
Bitcoin stuck under $40K


That aged well @Onvacation




Oh wait, I forget BTC haters only care about price when its correcting.

BTC goes up: Silence by the hater
Me: "hey where are the haters??"
Haters: "We dont care about price!"
BTC price corrects
Haters: "BTC price is down!!!!"
1736   Rin   2022 Mar 9, 12:08pm  

Save_Ukraine says
Oh wait, I forget BTC haters only care about price when its correcting.

BTC goes up: Silence by the hater
Me: "hey where are the haters??"
Haters: "We dont care about price!"
BTC price corrects
Haters: "BTC price is down!!!!"


Here are things you may want to keep in mind, the Russell 2K & the EUR/USD.

Sure, the Russ price box is holding, however, it's below its 50 weekly MA & not too far from the 200 weekly MA. If these start to converge, ala Death Cross on a weekly time frame, the bullishness of the market may be over.

And likewise, the EUR/USD is testing its decade long low during this season.

All and all, if these two factors don't change for the positive then BTC may see its current bulllishness end by mid-summer which is my first take profit target.
1737   Eric Holder   2022 Mar 9, 12:41pm  

Most of BTC exchanges are enforcing anti-Putler sanctions, btw.
1738   Cash   2022 Mar 9, 1:48pm  

Eric Holder says
Most of BTC exchanges are enforcing anti-Putler sanctions, btw.

Newbies trap, most know better then leave their cryptos on the exchanges especially the exchanges that US traders can trade and KYC with.
1740   Onvacation   2022 Mar 9, 5:16pm  

Fuck Biden and his digital dollar.
1741   EBGuy   2022 Mar 9, 6:44pm  

Can transactions be blocked at the node? My understand is if you're using an offline wallet, you're still dependent on third party software. If the government is able to figure out your "onramp" can they then camp out on the wallet providers node and block your transactions? Short of running your own node, it seems like every convenience step adds a layer where the government can step in. Obviously they can't seize your assets, but then you couldn't use them either.
1742   SoTex   2022 Mar 9, 7:56pm  

EBGuy says
My understand is if you're using an offline wallet, you're still dependent on third party software.


Yeah, but you don't need a wallet. Just a piece of paper. Or your brain and a seed phrase. So there is that. I guess eventually you'd need some sort of SW to get back in but you can trash your wallet and get a new one (maybe in Russia) if you need to.

Onvacation says
Fuck Biden and his digital dollar.


Yup. Sucks don't it? I've been waiting for this to make a CBDC thread. They are going to force this shit on us. It's not just Joe though it's all those globohomos too.
1743   Onvacation   2022 Mar 10, 6:45am  

What would you rather own, twenty one ounce gold coins or one Bitcoin binary code on your flashdrive?

If you don't hold it you don't own it.
1744   SoTex   2022 Mar 10, 8:13am  

both
1745   Bitcoin   2022 Mar 10, 11:23am  

Onvacation says
What would you rather own, twenty one ounce gold coins or one Bitcoin binary code on your flashdrive?

If you don't hold it you don't own it.


Thats right! Not your keys, not your crypto!

(always move crypto from the exchanges to a cold storage / hardware wallet).

And of course I would rather own Bitcoin than Gold.

For obvious reasons:
1746   Patrick   2022 Mar 10, 12:32pm  

Gold seems quite decentralized to me, as long as many individuals hold it.

It's also extremely portable, more so than paper cash even, as long as you have more than an ounce.

It's also sovereign, in that Canada, Australia, South Africa and others all mint their own coins.
1747   Onvacation   2022 Mar 11, 8:41pm  

Wozniac endorses bitcoin

original link
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1748   Onvacation   2022 Mar 11, 8:43pm  

Liquid death and the Kimcoin from the Woz.
1749   Cash   2022 Mar 12, 9:04am  

State Street to Develop Digital Custody in Collaboration with Copper.co
State Street intends to offer digital custody for some of the most active cryptocurrencies and other digital assets, subject to regulatory approvals

“That State Street, one of the world’s largest custodians, is creating a new digital asset service is a hugely important development for institutional engagement in this new asset class”

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220309005564/en/State-Street-to-Develop-Digital-Custody-in-Collaboration-with-Copper.co?source=patrick.net
1750   Onvacation   2022 Mar 12, 10:40am  

Cash says
new asset class

Fiat digital currency, twice removed from real assets because it is valued in fiat money which is valued in the faith and good credit of the country that issued it. I have little faith in the fiat dollar and even less in its digital derivatives. If the dollar crashes what will bitcoin be traded in?

All digital currencies require a greater fool to make a profit while requiring vast resources to keep them going. In all of the posts to this thread nobody has successfully rebutted this premise; nobody.
1751   Onvacation   2022 Mar 12, 10:41am  

If you want to gamble don't pretend like you are investing. FOMO keeps it going.
1752   Cash   2022 Mar 12, 11:24am  

Onvacation says
If the dollar crashes what will bitcoin be traded in?

BTC can be traded for anything really it don't exist because of the $. The dollar is just 1 of the many measuring sticks, p2p or b2b could trade anything they wish
for BTC. To disclose I don't own any BTC and just some dust of ETH.
What Happens to Bitcoin if the Dollar Crashes?
https://coinmarketcal.com/en/news/what-happens-to-bitcoin-if-the-dollar-crashes?source=patrick.net
Here are few opinions which I am in agreement that BTC appreciates initially, long term I have no idea of what it's
real value will be in the next few year however short term I see IMHO 89k-104k this year 2022 easy.

BTC has problems with POW/energy/ greenies and ETH besides it's high fees and the fact so far it's scaling is crap will likely
soon be in the SEC sights and under scutiny for its initial offering and some illegal promotions in the beginning ICO.

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