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AD says

There has to be a market for it, as there is at least one bid that is for one ask.

Why do people buy bitcoin?

Because they hope to sell it for more than they paid. Is there any other legal reason for bitcoin?

Onvacation says

Why do people buy bitcoin?

Because they hope to sell it for more than they paid. Is there any other legal reason for bitcoin?

Yes, its somewhat similar to arbitrage and I plan on selling my Bitcoin ETF when I can use all of the proceeds from the sale to buy a home that is at least equivalent to the median US new detached single family home price

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FBI warns that crypto is a scam!

Now, as traders brace for a Donald Trump bitcoin "game-changer," the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has issued a serious crypto warning over attempts by scammers to steal users' funds.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2024/08/03/fbi-issues-serious-crypto-warning-amid-300-billion-bitcoin-ethereum-solana-bnb-and-xrp-price-crash/

Onvacation says

FBI warns that crypto is a scam!

You and I have been on the same page on this topic. Is this really news though? I'm convinced at this point that 5-10 people hold 80% of it. They just yo yo the market and make fuck tons of money. It's false scarcity. The party will end at some point.

I don't care if people trade it. Just don't pump it to people that will freak out when it goes way up and then crashes and they lose a ton of money and sell at a loss. There's an end to the game at some point. I don't want to be invested in the end.

Onvacation says

FBI warns that crypto is a scam!

Yep, most of them are. But then again, when do we trust what the FBI says anymore anyway?

WookieMan says

I'm convinced at this point that 5-10 people hold 80% of it. They just yo yo the market and make fuck tons of money. It's false scarcity. The party will end at some point.

The largest holder is "Satoshi Nakamoto" (whoever or whatever that is) owns about 1.1 million BTC out of around 20 million in circulation, and Nakamoto's BTC holdings value is around $66 billion.

The next major holders are the Winklevoss twins (70,000 BTC) and Michael Saylor/Microstrategy (owns about 227,000 BTC)

https://river.com/learn/who-owns-the-most-bitcoin/

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"It's a great hedge against chaos! Storehouse of value!"

AmericanKulak says

"It's a great hedge against chaos! Storehouse of value!"

Bitcoin is near its February 2021 price. But also consider inflation since February 2021 to today is around 25%.

Even stock market is only about 1.3% over its October 2021 level after adjusting for inflation. A 7% drop and that means the "real gains" during the Biden-Harris regime will be wiped out.

If assets do crash, I hope it is in September-October so it will impact voters the most.

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BTC for me is just a hedge and I would not recommend more than $30,000 of it (or half a BTC) even if the investor has at least $1 million in stocks, bonds, ETFs, and crypto.

From what I've read, most wealth managers are recommending up to 4% of total assets in BTC for rich investors. And they have recommended 7% in gold and silver and 7% in oil/gas stocks or an ETF as part of hedging for weakened dollar.

At least the worst is behind Vanguard Total Bond Market Index Fund ETF, until the next inflation (boom-bust) cycle.
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AD says

BTC for me is just a hedge

Hedge? or Bet?

AD says

And they have recommended 7% in gold and silver and 7% in oil/gas stocks or an ETF as part of hedging for weakened dollar.

Thing is these are ACTUAL assets. Crypto isn't. There's gold, silver, oil that you can actually touch, see, use for production and feel if you wanted. What do you do with crypto? There's no real estate. There's no CEO. There's nothing. I'm still predicting it will go down as the biggest scam in the history of humanity. 100x's bigger than Bernie Madoff.

The agency or "person" that created it, is milking the cow that keeps on giving. Guess what, cows die.

I have an anecdote.
My friend is a retired professor of economics with a PhD in economics from Harvard.
He suggested that I buy some crypto, but not more than 1/2 of 1% of my financial net worth.

He said it's a scam; it's similar to gambling, but with better odds.

More recently he called to vent about his stress about cash flow; "I owe about 1 million and I'm not sure how I'm going to service the debt."

He used his house as a piggy bank to buy other things; one is a small apartment building which failed an inspection and he was dropped by the insurance company.

Anyway, it seems he has a gambler mentality and for this reason likes crypto.

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When a center-left and pro-fiat currency organization (Brookings Institute) states that Bitcoin is "here to stay" no matter bad or worse for the American public, then that says Bitcoin will be a viable digital asset

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-brutal-truth-about-bitcoin/

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clambo says

I have an anecdote.
My friend is a retired professor of economics with a PhD in economics from Harvard.
He suggested that I buy some crypto, but not more than 1/2 of 1% of my financial net worth.

He said it's a scam; it's similar to gambling, but with better odds.

More recently he called to vent about his stress about cash flow; "I owe about 1 million and I'm not sure how I'm going to service the debt."

He used his house as a piggy bank to buy other things; one is a small apartment building which failed an inspection and he was dropped by the insurance company.

Anyway, it seems he has a gambler mentality and for this reason likes crypto.

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Most major Wall Street pundits like " The Mooch " stated on Bloomberg TV to buy a major brokerage house's Bitcoin ETF (like Blackrock or Fidelity) and to put no more than 3% of assets in the Bitcoin ETF.

The same pundits said to hedge with no more than 6% of assets in gold and silver and 6% in oil and gas stocks.

Yeah, as far as the primary house serving as a piggy bank (collateral for "lower risk" or "prime" loans) such as with a HELOC or reverse mortgage , that may be needed.

It is for a family member who owns a $1.1 million appraised mountain home in Colorado and needs the money for at least the operating and maintenance (O&M) costs of that home.

I helped them secured a reverse mortgage with a total variable rate of Continuous Maturity Treasury + 1.25% margin rate + 0.5% FHA mortgage rate, which right now is around 6.5% for 2024.

The bank set a limit of borrowing 50% of 80% of the value of the home, so 50% of $880,000 over my family member's remaining life.

They took $155,000 upfront and $80,000 of that went to pay off a HELOC which was at the prime rate of 8.5%, and the remainder $75,000 they wanted to keep in a bank account.

I convinced them to at least put the $75,000 in a 60% investment-grade bond / 40% stocks fund, which earns about 6.5% a year since the early 1990s.

The closing cost for the reverse mortgage was $21,000. The mortgage broker fee was $4000 and likely spent no more than 20 hours on this reverse mortgage.

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When a center-left and pro-fiat currency organization (Brookings Institute) states that Bitcoin is "here to stay" no matter bad or worse for the American public, then that says Bitcoin will be a viable digital asset

Ever wonder why Larry Fink of Blackrock has adopted Bitcoin ?

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-brutal-truth-about-bitcoin

https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/goldman-sachs-morgan-stanley-took-stakes-us-spot-bitcoin-etfs-q2-filings-show-2024-08-14

Aug 14 (Reuters) - Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley (MS.N), opens new tab purchased a total of more than $600 million in spot bitcoin exchange-traded funds (ETFs) during the second quarter, regulatory filings showed on Wednesday.

The two banks joined a group of hedge funds and financial advisers that have waded into the products, which began trading in January 2024.

Goldman Sachs said in its quarterly disclosure to the Securities and Exchange Commission, known as a 13-F filing, that it had acquired about $418 million in several of the recently launched ETFs tied to the price of spot bitcoin.

Fellas, Bitcoin is what's called a dumb 'Web 3.0' type of situation where any basic trend following strategy will work when it's in a bullish cycle. The following is a simple Heinken-Ashi (H-A) candlestick following pattern. Basically, when the price ticker is trading above the 120 day exponential moving average, just follow the H-A computed candles. Three up (green) candles is a buy, two down (red) candles is a close. As you can see, given the bullishness on this, a basic system is profitable ...



So don't invest in it, just trade it.

And I don't believe in the eGold theory.

FYI, I only use H-A computations if there's both a disparity between two EMAs & there's no convergence between 'em in place. Otherwise, it tends to produce a lot of losers when markets consolidate.

Rin says

So don't invest in it, just trade it.

Bingo. I've been saying that for years here and I'm not a stock analysis junkie or wiz. I suppose you could hold some thinking the game will go on forever, but what's the point in sinking money into it and not taking profits... in fiat... lol.

People will always be selling it. The biggest issue I have with it is unlike stocks nothing is reported. We really have no clue how many bitcoins are in actual circulation. We don't know if one person or company owns half of them and can yo yo the price. Sell at a peak and buy more at the bottom. Rinse and repeat. For that reason I won't touch it. One entity having that much power is scary and bad. And is likely a reality.

WookieMan says

I'm not a stock analysis junkie or wiz.

Well, if you put it like that ... I'm calling BitCoin an echo chamber of the Web3.0 phenomena. Just look at BitCoin vs the Nasdaq100/QQQ for the past ten years ...



Not much analysis needed, it echoes the sentiment of the tech sector and its broken promises.

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

If Bitcoin is not private, how is it that ransomwares crooks are able to take payment in Bitcoin without getting traced and caught?

HeadSet says

ransomwares crooks are able to take payment in Bitcoin without getting traced and caught?

You seem to confuse lack of effort/motivation with lack of observed results.

Governments who trace it don't give a shit about ransomeware and the perps tend to be outside their jurisdiction anyway.

Same as for any other financial scam.

Only main diff is that it operates outside the banking system so it would be impossible to retrieve it w/o the passphrases unless some big computational code cracking is applied.

HeadSet says

If Bitcoin is not private

What do you mean 'not private'? It's a public ledger. Lightning and other protocols that operate on top of that like the eurodollar system in that it removes most transaction activity at the time they happen. But eventually they update the BC ledger.

There are dark web exchanges that 'washes' BC too. But that is true of all kinds of currency. The fact you need to use them to maintain some anonymity proves BC isn't private as well.

This true?

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yep, go back to 2016 and the cost to mine a BTC was more than the price of BTC

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Bitcoin is more fiat than the fiat that you need to buy it with and the fiat you get when you sell it.

It's not even a good gamble.

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

Onvacation says

Bitcoin is more fiat than the fiat that you need to buy it with and the fiat you get when you sell it.

It's not even a good gamble.

do ya think it's going to the moon and replacing the dollar?

Hey Bitcoin Fluffers!

How's the butthurt going?

Bitcoin is an invention to siphon off excess cash/liquidity caused by 2 decades of ZIRP and the collapse of the US industrial economy. I half expect a Harris/Waltz executive order to convert SS contributions to bitcoins.

The chief advantage of gold over bitcoin is that I can eat my gold, shit it out in the toilet, and recollect it unscathed. Let's try that with a bit wallet.

Butthurt why? Because of the volatility? That's how I've made a ton of money from it.

stereotomy says

The chief advantage of gold over bitcoin is that I can eat my gold, shit it out in the toilet, and recollect it unscathed. Let's try that with a bit wallet.

You can do the same with a lot more value simply etching your seed phrase on some non-reactive metal. Or your key. All you really need to store bitcorn is your brain or a pencil and paper. So there is really no need to eat shit if your goal is to sneak out of the country.

SoTex says

That's how I've made a ton of money from it.

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

SoTex says

That's how I've made a ton of money from it.

SoTex says

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

SoTex says

That's how I've made a ton of money from it.

Yes, it does.

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

It goes through an extended period (more than 3 to 5 years) of moving sideways.

The fact that Larry Fink of Blackrock endorsed Bitcoin and that it is readily available to institutional and retail investors through Bitcoin ETFs is enough to realize its here to stay.

As a fiat currency hedge, invest no more than 3% of assets or equivalent to one-half of a Bitcoin, whichever is greater.

Invest 8% of assets in silver and gold, and 8% in an oil and gas ETF; so 19% of assets are hedged.

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AD says

The fact that Larry Fink of Blackrock endorsed Bitcoin and that it is readily available to institutional and retail investors through Bitcoin ETFs is enough to realize its here to stay.

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

AD says

The fact that Larry Fink of Blackrock endorsed Bitcoin and that it is readily available to institutional and retail investors through Bitcoin ETFs is enough to realize its here to stay.

Read what Larry Fink of Blackrock has publicly stated recently about Bitcoin, specifically after Bitcoin ETFs were made available to retail investors.

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