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Any update/analysis on this saga?
End in a dud or fireworks?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-michigan-board-state-canvassers-votes-3-1-certify-election-results-despite-irregularities/

Based on events, Looks like Trump is going to lose this battle.
Insiders typically don't go with losers.

It is surprising that trump didn't have anything to protect against the election fraud. I don't see much hope.

sikhguy says

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-michigan-board-state-canvassers-votes-3-1-certify-election-results-despite-irregularities/

Based on events, Looks like Trump is going to lose this battle.
Insiders typically don't go with losers.

It is surprising that trump didn't have anything to protect against the election fraud. I don't see much hope.

This is before the audit.

No worries, certifications can be overturned.

You still think Trump has nuclear option?
I am losing hope that this "daylight heist" is going to stand and US is going to turn into "banana republic" our parents ran away from.

Too much hate among common people for each other on behalf of corrupt politicians.

sikhguy says

You still think Trump has nuclear option?

1. The process/equal protection stuff brought by the Giuliani team
2. The criminal accusations being brought by Powell/Wood teams
3. The bombshell from national defense cybersecurity (NSA/DIA) with the actual vote totals pre and post algo, plus I suspect text/phone intercepts, held by Trump in reserve.

The latter will make it a National Security Issue.

https://twitter.com/Colombian_U_S_A/status/1330996156718059523
Donated 2 @SidneyPowell1
#WeThePeople stand with you!! Thank you for what you’re doing. #ReleaseTheKrakenOnSteroids http://DefendingTheRepublic.org

I don't know about Trump and its lawyers if they will let people down or not... What you have to admire is Americans determination to "Remain Free". Salute.

https://nationalfile.com/kraken-update-powell-to-sue-dominion-smartmatic-in-new-lawsuit-after-separating-from-trump-campaign/

Per usual, take all of this with a grain of salt...
I'm hearing buzz that Trump is going to invoke the 2018 Executive Order he signed called “Executive Order on Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election.” In that executive order, which almost no one has covered since the day it was signed, President Trump declares a national emergency. That emergency is still in play to this day, and the 2020 election was conducted under this state of emergency, which is a crucial point to understand what’s coming next….
Why is this relevant? Because Dominion Voting Systems is a Canadian company. And Scytl is run out of Spain.

This Executive Order gives him power to seize all assets of individuals and companies that were complicit in aiding or covering up this foreign interference in U.S. elections. The National Emergency order specifically calls for seizure of all assets of entities that have, “directly or indirectly engaged in, sponsored, concealed, or otherwise been complicit in foreign interference in a United States election.”

From 2017, WikiLeaks released a trove of CIA documents claimed revealed details of its secret hacking arsenal. The release included 8,761 documents that it claimed revealed details of “malware, viruses, trojans, weaponized ‘zero day’ exploits, malware remote control systems and associated documentation.” The leaks purportedly revealed that a top secret CIA unit used the German city of Frankfurt am Main as the starting point for numerous hacking attacks on Europe, China and the Middle East. German daily “Süddeutsche Zeitung” reported the building was known to be home to a vast network of intelligence personnel including CIA agents, NSA spies, military secret service personnel, Department of Homeland Security employees and Secret Service employees. It reported the Americans had also established a dense network of outposts and shell companies in Frankfurt.

Excerpts from Hal Turner Report: “According to very high level sources from my years working National Security Intelligence with the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force, the feds have PROOF of the payments to both Kemp and Raffensperger. The Trump election legal team forced the President to WAIT before revealing this, until both Kemp and Raffensperger CERTIFIED the Election results. According to those same sources, once Kemp and Raffensperger CERTIFIED the results, their crime was complete. Both men certified those election results this week. By law, Mr. Raffensperger was obliged to certify the election results before 5 p.m. on Friday. Gov. Kemp, had to then certify the results by 5 p.m. on Saturday. Both men did exactly those acts. Again, the national security intelligence sources with whom I have spoken, assure me this information is solid and the proof is already in government hands."

Having said all that, I've also read that Sidney Powell is registered as a military lawyer and can prosecute treason in a military tribunal.

We will see when that happens. All the above stuff is said for many weeks now.
Claims are of deep planning and the facade is complete incompetence.

It can be deliberate, But I am having hard time waiting for end of this story.
It is like a thriller movie which you have hard time to leave in middle, Only in this case allegedly a "very incompetent and corrupt" govt is installed on US to crush us.

porkchopexpress says

Having said all that, I've also read that Sidney Powell is registered as a military lawyer and can prosecute treason in a military tribunal.

No, not treason

Article III: Section 3 of the US constitution:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

If they have proof why wait? Present it and get it done one way or the other.
If you are collecting proof, Which it looks from outside.. Then you were not prepared. Trump is crying fraud for years now.

election2020 says

We will see when that happens. All the above stuff is said for many weeks now.
Claims are of deep planning and the facade is complete incompetence.

It can be deliberate, But I am having hard time waiting for end of this story.
It is like a thriller movie which you have hard time to leave in middle, Only in this case allegedly a "very incompetent and corrupt" govt is installed on US to crush us.

I know I know. I'm just reporting anything I'm hearing that doesn't sound bat-shit crazy. If none of this is true then many people, who also have lots of viewers and Twitter followers, are gonna look stupid and lose all credibility.

US is officially a banana republic. Courts don't have to follow the law either.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/pennsylvania-supreme-court-rules-mail-absentee-ballots-no-dates-handwritten-name-address-can-counted/

If Trump team has nothing, Why waste people's time and just hand it over and try next time.
If fraud can happen to president, It can to anybody. It is banana republic.

election2020 says

US is officially a banana republic. Courts don't have to follow the law either.

PA is a banana republic. If this stands in SCOTUS then US will become a banana republic too.

sikhguy says

Too much hate among common people for each other on behalf of corrupt politicians.

Unfortunately that is what has driven away, or driven insane, some of our best posters.

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Yes, there is concern about the voting machine and the software on them.

But that takes away from the need to audit the votes like the mail in ballots specifically. How many mail in ballots were legal ? Did they have a signature that matched what is on file ? Were they submitted by legal voters (ie., met Nevada's residency requirement, etc.) ?

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Yes, there is concern about the voting machine and the software on them.

But that takes away from the need to audit the votes like the mail in ballots specifically. How many mail in ballots were legal ? Did they have a signature that matched what is on file ? Were they submitted by legal voters (ie., met Nevada's residency requirement, etc.) ?

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That was my original concern. Sidney Powells over-the-top allegations have distracted people from fining actual example of fraud.
If somebody could prove 35k votes added to each democrat + foreign actors manipulating against Trump, Why do you need to waste time on anything else.

I am not sure what was the reason for Sidney Powell, If she still believes in it.. Is she ready to file?
Based on How some dems operating with impunity, Her allegation can ring true due to their arrogance.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/lin-wood-drops-late-night-bombshell-someone-ask-never-friend-brad-raffensperger-gasecofstate-seen-tape-election-fraud-state-farm-arena-fulton-co-ga/

Hindus blow up mosque in India. Outside the court same Hindus were telling media bombastically that they are "proud of destroying the mosque", Inside the supreme court was busy acquitting them.... This is how Banana republic look like, US is getting closer.

election2020 says

Hindus blow up mosque in India. Outside the court same Hindus were telling media bombastically that they are "proud of destroying the mosque", Inside the supreme court was busy acquitting them.... This is how Banana republic look like, US is getting closer.

All you have to do is show there are more than one case like this of unpaid Democrat activists harvesting mail in ballots:
https://www.click2houston.com/news/texas/2020/11/07/social-worker-charged-with-134-felony-counts-involving-election-fraud-in-limestone-county/

Also, AUDIT the mail in ballots. Take a major random sample such as 20% of the total. Check first to see they were submitted by legal voters who are registered. Check that they did not vote more than once. Verify there is a signature on it that matches the signature on file.

Do you all really trust the poll workers enough ? I don't, and there needs to be democrat and republican lawyers assigned to be part of that audit. That means they are sitting at the table with the poll worker and directly part of the the verification or audit process. They are not simply observing.

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You are assuming our courts are still meant to follow the constitution.
It took me a while to reconcile with "activist judge" moniker.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/happy-thanksgiving-lin-wood-announces-sidney-powell-will-file-lawsuit-georgia-tomorrow/

Let us see if this blows a hole into "election fraud"..........Although media will cry as expected.
But I saw this to.. You don't win against American armed forces, Nobody ever did in real war.
https://themarshallreport.wordpress.com/2020/11/22/sidney-powells-kraken-is-dod-cyber-warfare-program-we-are-at-war

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-ballot-count-upload-error-arizona-6000-false-biden-votes-discovered/

Looks like Arizona is giving up on fraud. They will find two three more counties to make Trump win , So that He doesn't drag their ass to court.

Great to see she fired the lawsuit.
I think she likely have ample evidence to go so boldly in filings.

This is total breakdown of America and what is unrealistic is not what she is reporting but what is happening.
Where do we go from here.
1) Root out all corruption and return power to people.
2) Go towards dictatorship.

I guess most of people on this board including me would like to see 1.

But is 1 even possible?

We would need a very clear statement of principles and how the rooting out of corruption is to be done, with a large majority agreeing to it.

But we can't seem to get a majority to agree on anything anymore.

Patrick says

But is 1 even possible?

We would need a very clear statement of principles and how the rooting out of corruption is to be done, with a large majority agreeing to it.

But we can't seem to get a majority to agree on anything anymore.

Dropped the cheat accusation at a dinner with friends of the ccp and their leader bi-den. I could get them to agree that not requiring IDs compromises every election and that there's no real argument against it. Partial win.

Patrick says

But is 1 even possible?

We would need a very clear statement of principles and how the rooting out of corruption is to be done, with a large majority agreeing to it.

But we can't seem to get a majority to agree on anything anymore.

Term limits
Limit Government power
Voter ID and clean voting roles

People against these three are those who wish to preserve the ability to bribe or take bribes.

Patrick says

But is 1 even possible?

We would need a very clear statement of principles and how the rooting out of corruption is to be done, with a large majority agreeing to it.

But we can't seem to get a majority to agree on anything anymore.

Do we have option not to be optimistic?
I think "liberals" and "conservatives" need to return to their roots and abandon hate based left/right.

How about emerging "purple party" and dumping red/blue for extremists?
This should be a good start:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/None_of_the_above

After this extreme fraudulent election if people not wake up, We can look at venuzuela for our future. Some of it already happening:
https://lasentinel.net/council-wants-plan-to-house-every-homeless-person-in-l-a.html

https://twitter.com/TimUppal/status/1332022891144224776
Never give up your guns,vote,freedom and God(If you are believer).

Communists always take above away.

election2020 says

After this extreme fraudulent election if people not wake up, We can look at venuzuela for our future. Some of it already happening:
https://lasentinel.net/council-wants-plan-to-house-every-homeless-person-in-l-a.html

It's basically free rent for anyone who wants to live by themselves in LA. Talk about leaving out the proverbial bird feeder! A bond issue and sales tax increase isn't going to be enough.

www.youtube.com/embed/pvQitBXj0BM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kukYK97qno

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmSFkSg19qg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7LPjCM2eog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZonKALmiSXo

Gun control = communism.
Never give up guns. It is moral responsibility of every citizen to learn how to work with firearms and help people in need against brutality.

HeadSet says

Term limits
Limit Government power
Voter ID and clean voting roles

I agree, but I think it needs to be even more specific, like:

Maximum two terms for any elected official.
What does limited government mean in practice exactly? What are some examples?
Voter ID should be proof of citizenship, either passport, birth certificate, or naturalization papers. Not a driver's license.

Patrick says

Voter ID should be proof of citizenship, either passport, birth certificate, or naturalization papers. Not a driver's license.

driver's license ID altered the entire outcome.

Patrick says

Voter ID should be proof of citizenship, either passport, birth certificate, or naturalization papers. Not a driver's license.

I'd go above and beyond even that. Passport IS the voter ID. They already have machines that can scan them at airports. Scan the passport and a ballot is pumped out.

If you can't get a passport, there's a reason you shouldn't have one and you shouldn't vote. The vast majority of people are within walking distance of a post office. Go get it done. I really don't want people that cannot afford a passport to be deciding elections and what my taxes are. Or excuse makers that cannot get to a post office in 2020. "Ugh, we're black and oppressed (lazy) and cannot get to the post office with our $200 Jordans and $20k car living on welfare." This is basically the excuse the Dem's make.

What does limited government mean in practice exactly? What are some examples?

Limited to the powers explicitly granted in the National and State Constitutions. That is, only the power needed to perform specific functions. The more power the government has, the more access the politicians can sell. For example, the power to tax should only be used to fund the government, and the taxes should be evenly applied. Tax should never be used for social engineering, like taxing sodas and other high calorie foods over alternatives. Such use of the tax system opens the door for rent seeking.

I'd go above and beyond even that. Passport IS the voter ID. They already have machines that can scan them at airports. Scan the passport and a ballot is pumped out.

Fantastic idea. Passports also expire every 10 years so that is like an automatic clearing of voter roles. And when you scan the passport and the ballot pops out, that passport cannot be used to get another ballot elsewhere. Still need a transparent method to actually count the ballots, though.

If my bank can entrust online banking to an app on my fucking iphone, with fingerprint ID and a personalized passcode, why can’t we have a similar app for voting?

Shaman says

If my bank can entrust online banking to an app on my fucking iphone, with fingerprint ID and a personalized passcode, why can’t we have a similar app for voting?

Yes, but who counts these electronic votes?

Shaman says

If my bank can entrust online banking to an app on my fucking iphone, with fingerprint ID and a personalized passcode, why can’t we have a similar app for voting?

Yes and no. Banking and voting are different in 1) Like the comment above..."Who counts the votes" is what matters and 2) If a bank gets ripped off for millions of dollars, you never hear about it. The bank simply gets the money back from somewhere. Ever have to report fraud to your bank because of a CC purchase you did not make? Fill out the report and, bingo, your money is back in your account in no time. I do not know where the money comes from...bank profits? What about millions of dollars hacked out of an account? Where does that money come from?

GlocknLoad says

I do not know where the money comes from...bank profits?

For CC's it is 20% interest rates morons pay for years until they go BK. I'd say 8 in 10 people pay at least some interest on a CC every month. You know who these people are when you see all the new goodies they have, especially this time of year. You ask and they say they pay it off every month, but they're lying. Even people you know with high salaries/wages are idiots with CC's.

Also, remember the money loaned out from CC's to consumers is all borrowed anyway, at insanely low rates. If a bank can borrow at 1% and charge 20% interest when balances don't get paid, can fuck with your credit and potentially garnish wages, you start to see where the money comes from.

I choose the route of kicking them in the nuts and making them pay out the ass for my points usage. Almost never have paid interest, probably under $500/yr on average and that's just because of tracking too many cards, but still my bad. I got $8k worth of air travel on 26 round trip tickets for myself and family in 2019. This year because of Covid only about $3k. $11k in air travel for every day expenses and business expenses ain't a bad deal. Lounge access too. Being able to eat a meal and pound some beers before a flight basically for free if you use it enough is another perk. Generally it's 1 lounge visit to pay back the $99 annual fee for a family of four when you factor in airport pricing for food/booze.

Patrick says

But we can't seem to get a majority to agree on anything anymore.

We can't even get People to agree that Hunter had a laptop, and Epstein didn't kill himself.

If the vast corruption doesn't come out in the next couple weeks we'll know that it is all political theatre and Trump is just an actor.

I'm afraid we already know.