4
0

Environmentally friendly EV batteries...


 invite response                
2020 Dec 22, 11:37am   747 views  18 comments

by Bd6r   ➕follow (2)   💰tip   ignore  

are apparently NOT made from sustainable fairy dust and the carbon-free tears of executives! Go green!

Comments 1 - 18 of 18        Search these comments

1   zzyzzx   2020 Dec 22, 11:50am  

Since residential pumped storage hydro isn't practical, what else are you going to do?
And yes no such thing exists, for a reason.
2   Bd6r   2020 Dec 22, 12:06pm  

zzyzzx says
Since residential pumped storage hydro isn't practical, what else are you going to do?

use nuclear, as it is carbon-neutral and we have raw materials for hundreds of years of energy production. About cars, I am not quite sure if electrical are more environmentally friendly (now) than internal combustion.
3   SunnyvaleCA   2020 Dec 22, 12:20pm  

Drive a Honda Civic GX, but run it on 100% renewable unicorn flatulence instead of natural gas. Problem solved.
4   Eric Holder   2020 Dec 22, 12:30pm  

SunnyvaleCA says
Drive a Honda Civic GX, but run it on 100% renewable unicorn flatulence instead of natural gas. Problem solved.


Is it legal to keep an unicorn in a suburban garage/backyard?
5   SunnyvaleCA   2020 Dec 22, 1:49pm  

Eric Holder says
SunnyvaleCA says
Drive a Honda Civic GX, but run it on 100% renewable unicorn flatulence instead of natural gas. Problem solved.


Is it legal to keep an unicorn in a suburban garage/backyard?
Local ordinance only forbids keeping livestock in the front yard, so ... yes! (That's actually true! But the ordinances haven't been updated in quite a long time.)
6   HeadSet   2020 Dec 22, 4:30pm  

Didn't Fred Flintstone has a zero emission car? No cobalt needed.
7   Patrick   2020 Dec 22, 10:00pm  

@Rb6d I don't get what is wrong with those batteries. Are those minerals particularly poisonous?
8   Bd6r   2020 Dec 23, 4:19am  

Patrick says
@Rb6d I don't get what is wrong with those batteries. Are those minerals particularly poisonous?

https://www.raconteur.net/corporate-social-responsibility/cobalt-mining-human-rights/

DRC, a nation the size of western Europe, mines 60 per cent of the world’s cobalt of which 20 per cent is extracted from the same unregulated small-scale mines where Yanick risked life and limb, all for less than $2 a day.

Secondly, demand for cobalt is set to increase. This rare metal already powers our mobile phones, laptops and tablets. However, cobalt is also a key component of electric car batteries. So over the next decade, with Bloomberg New Energy Finance forecasting that 33 per cent of all vehicles will be electric by 2030, automakers will need to increase their supply dramatically.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/business/batteries/congo-cobalt-mining-for-lithium-ion-battery/

An estimated 100,000 cobalt miners in Congo use hand tools to dig hundreds of feet underground with little oversight and few safety measures, according to workers, government officials and evidence found by The Washington Post during visits to remote mines. Deaths and injuries are common. And the mining activity exposes local communities to levels of toxic metals that appear to be linked to ailments that include breathing problems and birth defects, health officials say.

EV's are environmentally friendly, celebrities said while using apple iphones...liberal hypocrisy as usual.
9   just_passing_through   2020 Dec 23, 5:06am  

SunnyvaleCA says
Drive a Honda Civic GX


I think the GX is only sold in Japan. In the US it's the UF.
10   SunnyvaleCA   2020 Dec 23, 10:42am  

just_passing_through says
SunnyvaleCA says
Drive a Honda Civic GX


I think the GX is only sold in Japan. In the US it's the UF.

It's the GX here as well as far as I know, although I've never seen one in the wild. I've never heard of the UF. Here's a wiki for the US version: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Civic_GX

I've noticed a bunch of large vehicles in corporate and/or government fleets are running natural gas. This include the city garbage and recycling trucks. I think the UPS brown-boxes-on-wheels also run on natural gas. For individuals who own homes, it's pretty nice to be able to charge up at home with the "Phil" home charger that uses natural gas right from the house.
11   EBGuy   2020 Dec 23, 6:00pm  

All roads lead to the Salar de Uyuni...
12   Patrick   2020 Dec 23, 6:10pm  

Thanks, I didn't know this about cobalt mining. But now the dilemma is whether to put this kid out of work for "for his own good":

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cobalt-children-mining-democratic-republic-congo-cbs-news-investigation/

Ziki Swaze, 11, agreed to meet Patta outside the mine to discuss the work.

"My parents are dead," he explained when asked why he wasn't at school. He lives with his grandmother, and provides their primary income from the cobalt mines.


If they stop buying from him, maybe his life gets even worse.
13   Bd6r   2020 Dec 23, 7:07pm  

Patrick says
If they stop buying from him, maybe his life gets even worse.

you're right - but then may be woke corporations such as Apple etc should pay him a living wage for his cobalt mining activities which they don't because then TIM COOK! income would decrease by $100.
14   Booger   2020 Dec 23, 7:15pm  

Rb6d says
An estimated 100,000 cobalt miners in Congo use hand tools to dig hundreds of feet underground with little oversight and few safety measures,


I guess that this meme is real:
15   B.A.C.A.H.   2020 Dec 23, 7:22pm  

SunnyvaleCA says
It's the GX here as well as far as I know, although I've never seen one in the wild. I've never heard of the UF. Here's a wiki for the US version: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Civic_GX

I've noticed a bunch of large vehicles in corporate and/or government fleets are running natural gas. This include the city garbage and recycling trucks. I think the UPS brown-boxes-on-wheels also run on natural gas. For individuals who own homes, it's pretty nice to be able to charge up at home with the "Phil" home charger that uses natural gas right from the house.


I had one of those for eleven years.

I read recently, that Honda was going to quit selling those in the US.

Regarding the "Phil" home charger: my understanding that it operates at low pressure, so a typical filling cycle would take overnight. And the installed price with permits and all would be a lot. It's been a while since I looked, but I think it was something like $4000.

But to use as a commuter car, don't need a "Phil" anyway. There's filling stations scattered around the Bay Area-Sacramento corridor. No problem. Just have to plan ahead a bit. I drove it to Fresno once. That's a little dicey because there was only one filling station there. If that station was inoperative, I'd have been screwed.

In year eight, around 100K miles, the all-aluminum engine block was cracked, ruining the engine. The engine was out of warranty, but Honda replaced it anyway, even though it was out of warranty, because, the service advisor said, "they extended the warranty for this problem because they knew they had issues".

The pressurized tank is a polite way of saying, a "bomb". When I got the car, I had to sign a document with Honda and also with my insurance company, that I agreed to change the tank after it was ten years old. The tank had some Honda stuff built into it like the regulator or check valve or something, that was integrated with the electronic controls. So, you couldn't get your own tank.

Many of the filling stations in Northern California are at PG&E maintenance yards. PG&E required a biannual tank inspection by Honda, to allow me access to their yards. I think it was kind of a scam because the technicians told me that all they did was visually look at the outside of the thing and its fittings.

The quotes that I got from Honda matched my own internet searches, about $8k to replace the tank. Before year ten was out, the service advisors told me that the State of California, and Honda, extended the mandatory tank lifetime to 15 years. In 2017 or 2018 my white express lane sticker expired, and the tank replacement loomed in the background. So I traded the car in.

Great concept if it weren't for the tank.
16   just_passing_through   2020 Dec 23, 9:25pm  

SunnyvaleCA says
It's the GX here as well as far as I know


Was kidding: UF=unicorn farts
17   SunnyvaleCA   2020 Dec 24, 12:54am  

just_passing_through says
SunnyvaleCA says
It's the GX here as well as far as I know


Was kidding: UF=unicorn farts
Ha! That went right over my head.
18   SunnyvaleCA   2020 Dec 24, 1:00am  

B.A.C.A.H. says
I had one of those [natural gas Honda Civic] for eleven years.
Wow! That's awesome! Great to hear some first-hand experience.

Yeah, sounds like there are some fundamental flaws with the tank and engine components. Maybe UPS trucks, that travel 40k miles a year at 10 MPG on gasoline (or something like that) are a better application because 10 years component lifetime is a huge amount of gasoline savings.

I thought California and/or Honda had some subsidies for the Phil system. I suspect one additional reason for the very slow filling times is that the slow speed means no need for additional cooling to deal with the heat generated from the compression. If I got an electric or natural gas commuter car, the slow recharge would work fine for me... it still only takes 30 seconds to fill: 15 seconds to plug it in and 15 seconds to unplug in the morning!

Please register to comment:

api   best comments   contact   latest images   memes   one year ago   random   suggestions