election2020, can you stop this BS about Hindu, Bharat, etc. When more than 80% of the country farmers do not have the issue with new farm laws, it is evident that the Sikhs are lazy asses who do not understand what the actual law is. Did you ever read the 18 pages of law before commenting about the whole of India as a nation? India has so many states and if Sikhs have issues don't rub it on to the whole nation. You guys are a disgrace to the country now.
Patrick, you might want to ban election2020. He is khalsthan terrorist obsession with so much hate just on one religion. He doesn't answer questions but repeat the same illogical hate from his terrorist outfit camp which is not much different from Islamic Jihadists.
I do want to ban personal insults but leave people the opportunity to edit those comments to make them non-personal.
I have not been a great example myself, since I banned ApocalypseFuck for months of comments about sexual torture of Trump with barbed wire dildoes, for example. I just could not tolerate that.
Let me add to my original idea that the source of the Sikh religion, was Persian Buddhism in the bordering Punjab region, after the rest of the western areas of the former Persian Empire were conquered by Islam.
And why is that the case? It's that aside from Bali Island in Indonesia, Hinduism as a stand-alone national-based faith, only exists within the Indian subcontinent.
Excerpt: "To clarify, the area I am concerned with is not the region of modern day Iran, rather the area of Central Asia inhabited by Iranian people from roughly 500 BCE onwards. This would include modern day Iran Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, as well as parts of North-West Pakistan and India.
"The process whereby Iranians spread over Central Asia and the Iranian Plateau can be compared with the later expansion of the Turkic peoples... As in the Turkification of Anatolia, the Iranians gave their languages and practises to the aboriginal population" (Frye 1996). In the middle of the sixth century BCE, the Achaemanid clan of the Persians was headed by Cyrus, who ruled, under Median domination, as sub-king of Parsa, or Persis. In 553 BCE Cyrus led a revolt that resulted in the overthrow of the Median ruler and the rise to the power of the Achaemenids.
A close union of Persians and Medes soon followed, and an army drawn from these tribal groups embarked on a series of successful campaigns that resulted in the establishment of the first world Empire. Inclusion in the huge Achaemenid empire brought Central Asia into closer contact with Western Iran and the entire near East which consequentially brought about changes in traditions, customs and ways of life through exposure to so many different cultures.
According to a Buddhist legend preserved in Pali (an ancient Prakrit language, derived from Sanskrit, which is the scriptural and liturgical language of Theravada Buddhism), the first instance of Buddhism entering Iran seems to have been during the life of the historical Buddha, Sakyamuni (roughly 5/6th century BCE. The legend speaks of two Merchant brothers from Bactria (modern day Afghanistan) who visited the Buddha in his eighth week of enlightenment, became his disciples and then returned to Balkh (major city of Bactria) to build temples dedicated to him. Whatever the historical validity of this story, there is strong evidence to show that Balkh did become a major Buddhist region and remained so up until the Arab Muslim invasion of the 7th century.
Under the reign of King Ashoka of the Indian Maurya dynasty (324-187 BCE), Buddhism was helped to spread throughout the surrounding region. After his only conquest of Kalinga, Ashoka was so full of sorrow and remorse that he resolved to refrain from violence, took the vows of an upsaka (lay Buddha) and dedicated the rest of his life to helping spread Buddhism to distant parts of his Kingdom. A great number of Buddhist missionaries were sent to spread the teachings of Buddha, and rock edicts set up by Ashoka state that he sent some to his North-West territories.
In 1958, edicts inscribed on rock pillars promulgating the ethical standards of Buddhist teaching were discovered in Qandahar, Afghanistan and in 1962 a long inscription entirely in Greek (later identified as parts of Ashokas edicts) was found in the surrounding area. During the first century Balkh was famous throughout the region for its Buddhist temples and the Greek scholar Alexander Polyhistor mentions Buddhism's relationship with Iran and refers to Balkh and its temples specifically. It is widely agreed that without Ashokas patronage of Buddhism, it would have remained another minor Hindu sect as opposed to the world religion it is today. "
It is a universal modern religion which took good parts from everywhere.
I believe this is part of where I'm going with my central thesis.
Sikhism, as a religion, is very much in tune with the ancient, pre-Islamic Persian Empire's basic notions of tolerating multiple cultures, etc, while federalized under an Emperor between capital regions like Persepolis, Susa, and perhaps even Bukhara.S.S.R., in terms of an easternmost point of administration.
Sure, without a King or Satrap (governor-general) for patronage, the Sikhs were on their own during those dark days of Islamic invasions.
This is why before Islam, Persia connected the bordering areas controlled by the Greeks, the Sudanese, the Indians, and the Chinese in the largest empire ever seen in history.
And thus, without this type of aegis, religions like Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, Nestorial Christianity, would never have spread around the world. Even the article implies that it were Persians who'd brought Buddhism to China and beyond and not someone from Tamil South.
Patrick, you might want to ban election2020. He is khalsthan terrorist obsession with so much hate just on one religion. He doesn't answer questions but repeat the same illogical hate from his terrorist outfit camp which is not much different from Islamic Jihadists.
Dont ask to ban him. I know he talks shit based on prejudice he learnt over generations. It is not his mistake that he is born in that situation.
Look at Rin he keeps bringing up Persian superiority and their hold on India, because he is blind to his narrative.
Where as Indian history says and shows persia is daughter culture of Vedic India.
This freedom of expression will show to the world what kind of stupid narratives they believe in.
In that Iranian article shared by Rin it says ashoka changed to Buddhism after kalinga war. And latest research shows that Ashoka was buddhist even before the Kalinga war. He just wanted to spread buddhism, to control people, just like constantinople spread christinaity.
And Rin is so dumb that he keeps repeating his lies. Like he says "It's that aside from Bali Island in Indonesia, Hinduism as a stand-alone national-based faith, only exists within the Indian subcontinent." There is angkor-wat temple in cambodia which is Shiva temple. Whole of Indonesia was a hindu kingdom before being converted to islam. Even if I show him the proof. He goes back to his thesis about the persian superiority. He keeps forgeting that in this age of Social Media it is very difficult to BS us with the white man's lies.
that sounds very similar to propaganda in US, target "Republicans" as terrorists.
Don't get confused with names, colors, percentages and left/right, religion they are totally flipped.
Name: Do you know "GOP" in India is a all time Commie party? (Congress/Khan-gress) started by Christian missionaries back in 1800s to destroy native pagan religions like Hinduism, Buddhism etc. loot their wealth and tap on revenues to convert or pay the penalty tax sponsored by the state.
Color: Red - Right in US, Left in India. Percentages: Right ~ 50% in US, ~ 20% in India (but all gov workers ~100% commies) Left/Right: there is no Right in India since it is not currently possible politically given foreign influences but having some traction during last 10 years. Religion: afaik - no one give a f. both in US and India to religion, its the left/commie who are obsessed about it to show the world that Hindus are terrorists to cover up their ongoing violent crimes and their terror campaign and massive money laundering.
Only just in recent years natives got power under a center right party (BJP lead by current Prime minister Modi) who put India back in world map again. The f. who started this thread is a all time Commie s. and dead against the current regime. He is playing word game here. Probably he is brainwashed within his camp as these people live in small closed communities.
Hindooo is curse of world, It is based on superstitions and discrimination.
Using that above statement and then indc's notion of a Hindu Empire stretching from Ghandhara all to the way through Indonesia, basically combining the lands of British India and the Dutch East Indies ...
here is angkor-wat temple in cambodia which is Shiva temple. Whole of Indonesia was a hindu kingdom before being converted to islam.
Then why is it that the Burmese, Thais, Cambodians, Vietnamese all identify with Buddhism, as a religion, and not some ancient Hindu Empire? And many of the Hindu people living in the aforementioned countries afterwards, arrived later during the Moghul and British times.
The reason why some Indians couldn't leave Burma during the Junta in '62 was because they had no former home to back to, whereas 500K were driven out because they had some contacts abroad.
And remember my piece about Assam, a part of modern-day but not medieval India.
The Assamese diaspora is mad as hell for being put under martial law since Indira Gandhi's time whereas before the British Empire, they were a successful independent nation-state which wasn't conquered by the Moghuls.
They treated locals worse than how British colonialists treated Bhartis.
That's where Assam made its biggest mistake by joining mainland India instead of seeking a type of independent subnationality, within the British Empire, alongside Burma and Malaysia. FYI, the British were in all those countries.
My Assamese friends have always despised how Nehru's govt (esp his daughter Indira Gandhi) mismanaged/fomented the border incursions of Bangladeshis, inflamed the ppl of the hilly regions, and then failed w/ the refugee situation of Indians fleeing Burma. All and all, a once proud independent (non-Moghul conquered) nation was turned into a martial law/guerilla war zone territory not too distinct from a Kashmir.
Basically, from their P.O.V, since 1947, it's all been downhill for Assam. Many of their kids and grandkids, born abroad in the Americas or UK, can't even get to travel there as the Indian govt doesn't give easy access to non-Indian passport holders despite their origins.
And for all the Americans reading this, for the 1000th time, Indira Gandhi was not a relative of Mohandas Gandhi. She's the direct descendant of Nehru who declared martial law in her own country, turning the independence of 1947 into a modern era farce.
Then why is it that the Burmese, Thais, Cambodians, Vietnamese all identify with Buddhism, as a religion, and not some ancient Hindu Empire? And many of the Hindu people living in the aforementioned countries afterwards, arrived later during the Moghul and British times..
Can you tell me how you got this conclusion?
Do you even know when buddhism is separated from hinduism? Buddha himself called himself avatar of Hindu god Vishnu. In 6th century BCE Whole of India was also Buddhist. Then one of the dharmic preacher went all over India debating the buddhists and converting them back. Buddhism spread all over the asian continent. Which is still followed.
Hinduism does not have a concept of religion. Buddhists were told that they were separate from Hindus philosophically by you guessed if "white men".
Let me ask you a question If Hinduism is after or different from buddhism why are hindu gods still respected by buddhist followers?
For your information in Vietnam they are finding shiv lingas in 20ft deep holes.
Now coming to sikhs being told they are separate religion from hindus even though their gurus never said that. Can you guess it? Right a white man "Max Arthur Macauliffe" So all these khalisthanis are brain washed by his teachings. Even before muslims were asking for pakistan khalistan was already in the cards. It was defined in 1913. But better brains prevailed and these trash moved to UK, canada and US.
Whole of India was oppressed by Indira Gandhi. It doesn't matter assamese sikhs brahmins and business people. It is not Hindu oppression. Now you can see this Idio* election2020 complaining about Modi. That is because Modi is managing the country better of course those khalisthanis are pissed now. Modi is sending out free covid vaccines to all of Indian ocean countries. He is freeing up the country from all the british rules one after other. That pisses off these khalisthanis because they cannot get brain washed dummies once people are free to think and work.
Ayodhya is considered a sacred place by Hindus. it should not have any relation to Buddhists right? Then Why did buddhists kingdom in SE asia(thailand) called their capitals Ayodhya.
@election2020, why do you keep showing your stupidity in everyone of your comments? Did you see the same world bank said India will grow by 11.5% in 2021?
And if the vaccines were ineffective why are countries paying money to buy them. to give kick backs to Indian politicians?
China captured those lands in last 70yrs how do you say its modi's mistake. propaganda much? He is atleast building roads to better defend the frontier. we will see about china this summer.
He can do better with economy but how is economy the only indicator for better managing the country. This is the same chutiya** that trump did and he lost elections. He gave more precedence to economy than people. As a gujarati his management of economy is shameful though :) Do you have proof of increase in hate? or is it another chuth*** you learnt from your leftist leaders.
Patrick, you might want to ban election2020. He is khalsthan terrorist obsession with so much hate just on one religion. He doesn't answer questions but repeat the same illogical hate from his terrorist outfit camp which is not much different from Islamic Jihadists.
First I am not Khalsitani Mr Hindooo stooge. Second terming the nationalists as "terrorists" by Hindoooo traitors ..
Is this the right place to air your grievances?
India is on the other side of the planet. If you have a genuine grievance, your grievance is with India, not Americans. I think nearly everybody on here are US citizens.
Do you expect US citizens to advocate for another pointless, stupid, fucking war with yet another nation on the other side of the planet? I'm sick of my goddamned government going to war and fucking with the rest of the world. Work out your own shit. Have you seen what US intervention does to nations? Our government just makes things worse.
In the last 20 years, our nation has bombed Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia. Which one of these nations is better off because of US intervention?
You may have a legitimate grievance, but don't ask the US to help - the US doesn't help.
Persia was conquered by genesis khan, he was not Muslim, killed all religion equally :) he truly destroyed muslim areas.
Since Persians were overruled, they were never overlords as you described.
Alexander made it to Indian border near Pakistan but due to various reasons , such as 4x army with elephants waited on other side, n sickness in his army never took over india.
Now to muslim invaders, due to internal wars , they took over north India. However most of their generals n army were various hindus, its a diverse religion with way more facets than one standard way.
Even when muslim ruled, they were not able to convert whole population since they were not slaves. When Hindus n Buddhists were taken over in afgan, and Pakistan, whole country converted. They truly became slave n accepted overlords religion. However in india, they were not able to convert even with this much power n brutality from muslim rulers aurengzeb n such, whole country didnt convert. Slaves would have converted.
Many Muslims invaders were captured n killed by marathas in 17th century. Even before most states were independent.
Can Indians become slave, and remaining Sikhs be killed by Pakistan? absolutely. This can happen if internal squabble makes them weak.
Article you posted shows that Sikhs Buddhists hindos n Christians were all equally massacred , women enslaved, or raped. They all fought to prevent such.
How can modi be CCP. He blocked all china apps . Improved army build roads near border to suppy troops. Constantly batteling china aggression. Name single item supporting china? China took tibet n slowly taking over indian.land. modi is not allowing it.
Then Why did buddhists kingdom in SE asia(thailand) called their capitals Ayodhya.
If you ever go to Thailand, you'll find the name, Asoke, a.k.a Ashoka, all over the place. In fact, Asoke Sq is considered one of the best neighborhoods in Bangkok, the Thai capital's equivalent to a Westminster/London or Upper East Side/NYC.
Yes, they respect the historic names of those who'd promoted Buddhism from ancient times and have even adopted the name, Rama, from the Ramayana for members of the royal families. Yet, Thailand was never a colony of either ancient India, some Malay cleric, or the modern British or Dutch Empires. They developed on their own, recognizing the Pali Canon as the source of Buddhist knowledge and have wielded an independent identity.
The most important butcher in your article is Timur.
He was a Turkic/Mongolian barbarian, who adopted the 'Sword of Islam' but then, tried to adopt Persian court customs to make his barbarian kingdom look like some civilized nation-state when it was a piece of garbage which wiped out Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, and Hinduism all over the place. If anything, the reason why we don't see any remaining Buddhist or Zo shrines in Central Asia outside of archaeological ruins is because of Timur.
Azad was patriotic Bharti and nothing to do with Persian reject cult of Hindooo sent to destroy Bharat. Just read the history of Hindoooo cult RSS to find how much respect they have for national flag for which Azad sacrificed his life.
Dont be a McSikhi. RSS saved many sikhs in Delhi riots and really respect the Gurus. They do not respect Indian flag but what about the khalisthani bastards did on Jan 26th.
Also economy in India is bad everyone knows about it. But stop leftist propaganda of only few are able to eat and others aren't. I have family too and they are saying businesses were booming before covid.
Yet, Thailand was never a colony of either ancient India,.
Why do you keep harping about "Colony". Where did I say SE Asia was a colony of India? That is a white man's narrative it has to be colony to be culturally same. I was saying they have similar or same culture.
CUlture doesn't have to spread only by sword. If you can learn that your brain can accept more Ideas. Hell not even whole of Indian subcontinent was under one kingdom rule.
South India has separate distinct culture from north. But they are more staunch hindus because they were not ruled by muslims for long. With your logic South India must be a colony of North India because Hinduism mostly rose from northern India.
Why do you keep harping about "Colony". Where did I say SE Asia was a colony of India? That is a white man's narrative it has to be colony to be culturally same. I was saying they have similar or same culture.
Ok, then let me change that word to aegis. Aegis has the characteristics of patronage, sponsorship, a/o guidance.
To use a modern metaphor, Canada is under the aegis of the USA, despite the fact that the USA never held any territories in Canada outside of the brief campaigns in the War of 1812. Regardless, over the two centuries, the Canadians, including the French-Canadians, have absorbed a large chunk of American culture despite regional differences. This is why the two countries are more similar than let's say the UK vs France.
So the idea that some Indian influences arrived in and around the Straits of Malacca, isn't a big surprise given the fact that that's the nexus between the Indian Ocean and the greater Pacific basin. But do the Thai ppl see India as the progenitor of their culture or even the 'Aegis' of it? I think not and many Thais would agree with me despite having some respect for Asoke and using names like Rama from the Ramayana.
So the idea that some Indian influences arrived in and around the Straits of Malacca, isn't a big surprise given the fact that that's the nexus between the Indian Ocean and the greater Pacific basin. But do the Thai ppl see India as the progenitor of their culture or even the 'Aegis' of it? I think not and many Thais would agree with me despite having some respect for Asoke and using names like Rama from the Ramayana..
Thanks for explaining the word. Actually there is a story that an Indian king married a local princess to start the civilization in Myanmar. There is another story that a princess from ayodhya married a prince in Korea which started a great civilization there. Next time you go to Bangkok ask the locals how their civilization started. Ask them what their grand parents think. For your information their kings coronation still happens hindu way.
Now coming back to your example, If you go to any part of the world and ask them is there any difference between USA and Canada, people will scratch their head. Politically USA and Canada are separate but Culturally they are same difference.
Politically USA and Canada are separate but Culturally they are same difference.
Since I spend a lot of time up north, I can tell you 'why' this appears to be the case from others' p.o.v.
For one, aside from the Quebecois, the accents are practically the same.
Outside of New France (today's Quebec), however, the other provinces were far closer to the UK than the USA, up until the past sixty years where US/American culture was constantly bombarding cities like Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Windsor, & Toronto so that in effect, to compete against US programming, the Canadians came up with competing media, mimicking the US far more than Britain and thus, you see an Americanization of Canada. And yet, when you actually go up there, you can tell that it's more like Britain but with a US accent.
In New France's case, they prevented Americanization by enforcing the French language, as its primary tongue but unfortunately, its connection to Old France withered so that in effect, they maintained a very separate North American identity, apart from everyone else in the adjacent regions, including Anglo-Canada/Ontario and the USA.
People are waking up to "Dirty Hindoo cult" of discrimination and oppression.
Not from any clumsy stupid efforts you are making.
You think people have no brains
On the contrary, I think people do have brains. It's you that doesn't which is why you use simple obvious persuasion propaganda.
People ignore truth when you engage in obvious propaganda. Who would pay attention to a Seek? A dirty filthy Seek? This is an example of plain propaganda, Seek. Are you a Seek?
It's simple to use primitive propaganda, but what Seek would pay attention to a Hindu screaming about the evils of the Seeks?
You cannot alienate people when trying to educate them. I had obviously racist professors as a student in General Education courses. What sort of respect to their thinking do you think I gave them? You are appealing to dummies. I don't think that is the correct route, but I could be wrong.
Punjab is only "Riot" free in India due to Sikhs, Otherwise this Riot cult hasn't spared any state.
This fits the observations of my Assamese friends who'd said that since Indira Gandhi, their former home state was a warzone under Martial Law.
And thus, it aligns with the narrative that during the Mohgul Empire, Assam was an independent nation-state doing well on its own with no clerics banging on its doors.
And finally, under the British Raj, they also managed as 'semi-independent' as the Empire provided protection but when the British left, all hell broke loose and their former nation-state was never the same.
Punjab is only "Riot" free in India due to Sikhs, Otherwise this Riot cult hasn't spared any state.
This fits the observations of my Assamese friends who'd said that since Indira Gandhi, their former home state was a warzone under Martial Law.
And thus, it aligns with the narrative that during the Mohgul Empire, Assam was an independent nation-state doing well on its own with no clerics banging on its doors.
And finally, under the British Raj, they also managed as 'semi-independent' as the Empire provided protection but when the British left, all hell broke loose and their former nation-state was never the same.
It is a pity that even British colonists were better than self described natives called "Hindooo tyrants". Bharat should free itself again and erase 1000 years of slavery!
So should Assam, along with Burma (plus Malaysia, since it's an addendum to the British Asian dominions), be independent nations, away from mainland India?
I mean Assam has a case. It was never under the rule of Babur, Akbar, etc. There's no reason for it to be a part of India today.
So should Assam, along with Burma (plus Malaysia, since it's an addendum to the British Asian dominions), be independent nations, away from mainland India?
I mean Assam has a case. It was never under the rule of Babur, Akbar, etc. There's no reason for it to be a part of India today.
Did I tell you before that myanmar wanted to be part of India too? You can keep repeating the same thing again and again like goebels but it will not make any difference.
https://twitter.com/sankrant/status/1340429432876515333 From tweet: Anyone who uses the following terms to "explain" India is deeply colonized. They are using memes fabricated by the British for subjugation and narrative control. Which memes:
1. Caste 2. Brahmanism 3. "Aryan" race/Aryan Invasion 4. "Adivasi"/"tribal" 5. "Dravidian" as a "race"
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you might want to ban election2020. He is khalsthan terrorist obsession with so much hate just on one religion. He doesn't answer questions but repeat the same illogical hate from his terrorist outfit camp which is not much different from Islamic Jihadists.
I want this site to be a place where people don't get banned for their political opinions.
Attribution of "hate" or "white supremacy" is exactly what Democrats do to ban absolutely everything they don't like.
https://babylonbee.com/news/merriam-webster-changes-definition-of-white-supremacist-to-anyone-who-wins-at-the-stock-market-when-theyre-not-supposed-to
I do want to ban personal insults but leave people the opportunity to edit those comments to make them non-personal.
I have not been a great example myself, since I banned ApocalypseFuck for months of comments about sexual torture of Trump with barbed wire dildoes, for example. I just could not tolerate that.
And why is that the case? It's that aside from Bali Island in Indonesia, Hinduism as a stand-alone national-based faith, only exists within the Indian subcontinent.
https://cais-soas.com/CAIS/Religions/non-iranian/buddhism_iran.htm
Excerpt: "To clarify, the area I am concerned with is not the region of modern day Iran, rather the area of Central Asia inhabited by Iranian people from roughly 500 BCE onwards. This would include modern day Iran Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, as well as parts of North-West Pakistan and India.
"The process whereby Iranians spread over Central Asia and the Iranian Plateau can be compared with the later expansion of the Turkic peoples... As in the Turkification of Anatolia, the Iranians gave their languages and practises to the aboriginal population" (Frye 1996). In the middle of the sixth century BCE, the Achaemanid clan of the Persians was headed by Cyrus, who ruled, under Median domination, as sub-king of Parsa, or Persis. In 553 BCE Cyrus led a revolt that resulted in the overthrow of the Median ruler and the rise to the power of the Achaemenids.
A close union of Persians and Medes soon followed, and an army drawn from these tribal groups embarked on a series of successful campaigns that resulted in the establishment of the first world Empire. Inclusion in the huge Achaemenid empire brought Central Asia into closer contact with Western Iran and the entire near East which consequentially brought about changes in traditions, customs and ways of life through exposure to so many different cultures.
According to a Buddhist legend preserved in Pali (an ancient Prakrit language, derived from Sanskrit, which is the scriptural and liturgical language of Theravada Buddhism), the first instance of Buddhism entering Iran seems to have been during the life of the historical Buddha, Sakyamuni (roughly 5/6th century BCE. The legend speaks of two Merchant brothers from Bactria (modern day Afghanistan) who visited the Buddha in his eighth week of enlightenment, became his disciples and then returned to Balkh (major city of Bactria) to build temples dedicated to him. Whatever the historical validity of this story, there is strong evidence to show that Balkh did become a major Buddhist region and remained so up until the Arab Muslim invasion of the 7th century.
Under the reign of King Ashoka of the Indian Maurya dynasty (324-187 BCE), Buddhism was helped to spread throughout the surrounding region. After his only conquest of Kalinga, Ashoka was so full of sorrow and remorse that he resolved to refrain from violence, took the vows of an upsaka (lay Buddha) and dedicated the rest of his life to helping spread Buddhism to distant parts of his Kingdom. A great number of Buddhist missionaries were sent to spread the teachings of Buddha, and rock edicts set up by Ashoka state that he sent some to his North-West territories.
In 1958, edicts inscribed on rock pillars promulgating the ethical standards of Buddhist teaching were discovered in Qandahar, Afghanistan and in 1962 a long inscription entirely in Greek (later identified as parts of Ashokas edicts) was found in the surrounding area. During the first century Balkh was famous throughout the region for its Buddhist temples and the Greek scholar Alexander Polyhistor mentions Buddhism's relationship with Iran and refers to Balkh and its temples specifically. It is widely agreed that without Ashokas patronage of Buddhism, it would have remained another minor Hindu sect as opposed to the world religion it is today. "
I believe this is part of where I'm going with my central thesis.
Sikhism, as a religion, is very much in tune with the ancient, pre-Islamic Persian Empire's basic notions of tolerating multiple cultures, etc, while federalized under an Emperor between capital regions like Persepolis, Susa, and perhaps even Bukhara.S.S.R., in terms of an easternmost point of administration.
Sure, without a King or Satrap (governor-general) for patronage, the Sikhs were on their own during those dark days of Islamic invasions.
This is why before Islam, Persia connected the bordering areas controlled by the Greeks, the Sudanese, the Indians, and the Chinese in the largest empire ever seen in history.
And thus, without this type of aegis, religions like Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, Nestorial Christianity, would never have spread around the world. Even the article implies that it were Persians who'd brought Buddhism to China and beyond and not someone from Tamil South.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY600RGqSQ4
According to your research when did buddhism reach persia? If ashoka spread it to persia What is the timeline of Ashoka?
And the article is from Iran. OK.
Or maybe just get these guys a room?
Dont ask to ban him. I know he talks shit based on prejudice he learnt over generations. It is not his mistake that he is born in that situation.
Look at Rin he keeps bringing up Persian superiority and their hold on India, because he is blind to his narrative.
https://talageri.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-full-out-of-india-case-in-short.html?m=1
Where as Indian history says and shows persia is daughter culture of Vedic India.
This freedom of expression will show to the world what kind of stupid narratives they believe in.
In that Iranian article shared by Rin it says ashoka changed to Buddhism after kalinga war. And latest research shows that Ashoka was buddhist even before the Kalinga war. He just wanted to spread buddhism, to control people, just like constantinople spread christinaity.
And Rin is so dumb that he keeps repeating his lies. Like he says "It's that aside from Bali Island in Indonesia, Hinduism as a stand-alone national-based faith, only exists within the Indian subcontinent."
There is angkor-wat temple in cambodia which is Shiva temple. Whole of Indonesia was a hindu kingdom before being converted to islam. Even if I show him the proof. He goes back to his thesis about the persian superiority. He keeps forgeting that in this age of Social Media it is very difficult to BS us with the white man's lies.
Don't get confused with names, colors, percentages and left/right, religion they are totally flipped.
Name:
Do you know "GOP" in India is a all time Commie party? (Congress/Khan-gress) started by Christian missionaries back in 1800s to destroy native pagan religions like Hinduism, Buddhism etc. loot their wealth and tap on revenues to convert or pay the penalty tax sponsored by the state.
Color: Red - Right in US, Left in India.
Percentages: Right ~ 50% in US, ~ 20% in India (but all gov workers ~100% commies)
Left/Right: there is no Right in India since it is not currently possible politically given foreign influences but having some traction during last 10 years.
Religion: afaik - no one give a f. both in US and India to religion, its the left/commie who are obsessed about it to show the world that Hindus are terrorists to cover up their ongoing violent crimes and their terror campaign and massive money laundering.
Only just in recent years natives got power under a center right party (BJP lead by current Prime minister Modi) who put India back in world map again. The f. who started this thread is a all time Commie s. and dead against the current regime. He is playing word game here. Probably he is brainwashed within his camp as these people live in small closed communities.
For people hating on hindus.
Using that above statement and then indc's notion of a Hindu Empire stretching from Ghandhara all to the way through Indonesia, basically combining the lands of British India and the Dutch East Indies ...
indc says
Then why is it that the Burmese, Thais, Cambodians, Vietnamese all identify with Buddhism, as a religion, and not some ancient Hindu Empire? And many of the Hindu people living in the aforementioned countries afterwards, arrived later during the Moghul and British times.
The reason why some Indians couldn't leave Burma during the Junta in '62 was because they had no former home to back to, whereas 500K were driven out because they had some contacts abroad.
And remember my piece about Assam, a part of modern-day but not medieval India.
The Assamese diaspora is mad as hell for being put under martial law since Indira Gandhi's time whereas before the British Empire, they were a successful independent nation-state which wasn't conquered by the Moghuls.
That's where Assam made its biggest mistake by joining mainland India instead of seeking a type of independent subnationality, within the British Empire, alongside Burma and Malaysia. FYI, the British were in all those countries.
My Assamese friends have always despised how Nehru's govt (esp his daughter Indira Gandhi) mismanaged/fomented the border incursions of Bangladeshis, inflamed the ppl of the hilly regions, and then failed w/ the refugee situation of Indians fleeing Burma. All and all, a once proud independent (non-Moghul conquered) nation was turned into a martial law/guerilla war zone territory not too distinct from a Kashmir.
Basically, from their P.O.V, since 1947, it's all been downhill for Assam. Many of their kids and grandkids, born abroad in the Americas or UK, can't even get to travel there as the Indian govt doesn't give easy access to non-Indian passport holders despite their origins.
And for all the Americans reading this, for the 1000th time, Indira Gandhi was not a relative of Mohandas Gandhi. She's the direct descendant of Nehru who declared martial law in her own country, turning the independence of 1947 into a modern era farce.
Can you tell me how you got this conclusion?
Do you even know when buddhism is separated from hinduism? Buddha himself called himself avatar of Hindu god Vishnu. In 6th century BCE Whole of India was also Buddhist. Then one of the dharmic preacher went all over India debating the buddhists and converting them back. Buddhism spread all over the asian continent. Which is still followed.
Hinduism does not have a concept of religion. Buddhists were told that they were separate from Hindus philosophically by you guessed if "white men".
Let me ask you a question If Hinduism is after or different from buddhism why are hindu gods still respected by buddhist followers?
For your information in Vietnam they are finding shiv lingas in 20ft deep holes.
Now coming to sikhs being told they are separate religion from hindus even though their gurus never said that. Can you guess it? Right a white man "Max Arthur Macauliffe" So all these khalisthanis are brain washed by his teachings. Even before muslims were asking for pakistan khalistan was already in the cards. It was defined in 1913.
But better brains prevailed and these trash moved to UK, canada and US.
Whole of India was oppressed by Indira Gandhi. It doesn't matter assamese sikhs brahmins and business people. It is not Hindu oppression. Now you can see this Idio* election2020 complaining about Modi. That is because Modi is managing the country better of course those khalisthanis are pissed now. Modi is sending out free covid vaccines to all of Indian ocean countries. He is freeing up the country from all the british rules one after other. That pisses off these khalisthanis because they cannot get brain washed dummies once people are free to think and work.
Ayodhya is considered a sacred place by Hindus. it should not have any relation to Buddhists right? Then Why did buddhists kingdom in SE asia(thailand) called their capitals Ayodhya.
And if the vaccines were ineffective why are countries paying money to buy them. to give kick backs to Indian politicians?
China captured those lands in last 70yrs how do you say its modi's mistake. propaganda much? He is atleast building roads to better defend the frontier. we will see about china this summer.
He can do better with economy but how is economy the only indicator for better managing the country. This is the same chutiya** that trump did and he lost elections. He gave more precedence to economy than people. As a gujarati his management of economy is shameful though :)
Do you have proof of increase in hate? or is it another chuth*** you learnt from your leftist leaders.
Is this the right place to air your grievances?
India is on the other side of the planet. If you have a genuine grievance, your grievance is with India, not Americans. I think nearly everybody on here are US citizens.
Do you expect US citizens to advocate for another pointless, stupid, fucking war with yet another nation on the other side of the planet? I'm sick of my goddamned government going to war and fucking with the rest of the world. Work out your own shit. Have you seen what US intervention does to nations? Our government just makes things worse.
In the last 20 years, our nation has bombed Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia. Which one of these nations is better off because of US intervention?
You may have a legitimate grievance, but don't ask the US to help - the US doesn't help.
Persia was conquered by genesis khan, he was not Muslim, killed all religion equally :) he truly destroyed muslim areas.
Since Persians were overruled, they were never overlords as you described.
Alexander made it to Indian border near Pakistan but due to various reasons , such as 4x army with elephants waited on other side, n sickness in his army never took over india.
Now to muslim invaders, due to internal wars , they took over north India. However most of their generals n army were various hindus, its a diverse religion with way more facets than one standard way.
Even when muslim ruled, they were not able to convert whole population since they were not slaves.
When Hindus n Buddhists were taken over in afgan, and Pakistan, whole country converted. They truly became slave n accepted overlords religion.
However in india, they were not able to convert even with this much power n brutality from muslim rulers aurengzeb n such, whole country didnt convert. Slaves would have converted.
Many Muslims invaders were captured n killed by marathas in 17th century. Even before most states were independent.
Can Indians become slave, and remaining Sikhs be killed by Pakistan? absolutely. This can happen if internal squabble makes them weak.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/imf-projects-11-5-gdp-growth-experts-say-india-to-achieve-5-trillion-economy/articleshow/80475641.cms
Why do you keep sharing leftist articles and then say that you are not a commiefu***.
With Baghat singh, there was chadra sekhar azad who died. But that bloody wire wants to spread its own propaganda. There are many hindus who hate their own history. Dont spread their point of view.
Article you posted shows that Sikhs Buddhists hindos n Christians were all equally massacred , women enslaved, or raped. They all fought to prevent such.
How can modi be CCP. He blocked all china apps . Improved army build roads near border to suppy troops. Constantly batteling china aggression. Name single item supporting china?
China took tibet n slowly taking over indian.land. modi is not allowing it.
If you ever go to Thailand, you'll find the name, Asoke, a.k.a Ashoka, all over the place. In fact, Asoke Sq is considered one of the best neighborhoods in Bangkok, the Thai capital's equivalent to a Westminster/London or Upper East Side/NYC.
Yes, they respect the historic names of those who'd promoted Buddhism from ancient times and have even adopted the name, Rama, from the Ramayana for members of the royal families. Yet, Thailand was never a colony of either ancient India, some Malay cleric, or the modern British or Dutch Empires. They developed on their own, recognizing the Pali Canon as the source of Buddhist knowledge and have wielded an independent identity.
The most important butcher in your article is Timur.
He was a Turkic/Mongolian barbarian, who adopted the 'Sword of Islam' but then, tried to adopt Persian court customs to make his barbarian kingdom look like some civilized nation-state when it was a piece of garbage which wiped out Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, and Hinduism all over the place. If anything, the reason why we don't see any remaining Buddhist or Zo shrines in Central Asia outside of archaeological ruins is because of Timur.
Dont be a McSikhi. RSS saved many sikhs in Delhi riots and really respect the Gurus. They do not respect Indian flag but what about the khalisthani bastards did on Jan 26th.
Also economy in India is bad everyone knows about it. But stop leftist propaganda of only few are able to eat and others aren't. I have family too and they are saying businesses were booming before covid.
Why do you keep harping about "Colony". Where did I say SE Asia was a colony of India? That is a white man's narrative it has to be colony to be culturally same. I was saying they have similar or same culture.
CUlture doesn't have to spread only by sword. If you can learn that your brain can accept more Ideas. Hell not even whole of Indian subcontinent was under one kingdom rule.
South India has separate distinct culture from north. But they are more staunch hindus because they were not ruled by muslims for long. With your logic South India must be a colony of North India because Hinduism mostly rose from northern India.
Ok, then let me change that word to aegis. Aegis has the characteristics of patronage, sponsorship, a/o guidance.
To use a modern metaphor, Canada is under the aegis of the USA, despite the fact that the USA never held any territories in Canada outside of the brief campaigns in the War of 1812. Regardless, over the two centuries, the Canadians, including the French-Canadians, have absorbed a large chunk of American culture despite regional differences. This is why the two countries are more similar than let's say the UK vs France.
So the idea that some Indian influences arrived in and around the Straits of Malacca, isn't a big surprise given the fact that that's the nexus between the Indian Ocean and the greater Pacific basin. But do the Thai ppl see India as the progenitor of their culture or even the 'Aegis' of it? I think not and many Thais would agree with me despite having some respect for Asoke and using names like Rama from the Ramayana.
Well ... considering that it's the same scumbag lineage, the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.
It will burst his myth that Sikhs were the sole saviors of Indian sub-continent. That is the reason he thinks aurangzeb is the only evil person.
Thanks for explaining the word. Actually there is a story that an Indian king married a local princess to start the civilization in Myanmar. There is another story that a princess from ayodhya married a prince in Korea which started a great civilization there. Next time you go to Bangkok ask the locals how their civilization started. Ask them what their grand parents think. For your information their kings coronation still happens hindu way.
Now coming back to your example, If you go to any part of the world and ask them is there any difference between USA and Canada, people will scratch their head. Politically USA and Canada are separate but Culturally they are same difference.
Since I spend a lot of time up north, I can tell you 'why' this appears to be the case from others' p.o.v.
For one, aside from the Quebecois, the accents are practically the same.
Outside of New France (today's Quebec), however, the other provinces were far closer to the UK than the USA, up until the past sixty years where US/American culture was constantly bombarding cities like Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Windsor, & Toronto so that in effect, to compete against US programming, the Canadians came up with competing media, mimicking the US far more than Britain and thus, you see an Americanization of Canada. And yet, when you actually go up there, you can tell that it's more like Britain but with a US accent.
In New France's case, they prevented Americanization by enforcing the French language, as its primary tongue but unfortunately, its connection to Old France withered so that in effect, they maintained a very separate North American identity, apart from everyone else in the adjacent regions, including Anglo-Canada/Ontario and the USA.
Now the truth.
What do you mean by that.
https://www.amren.com/features/2021/01/are-we-all-domestic-terrorists/
I know what kind the democrats are. I wanted to know whom FortWayne was comparing the democrats to.
Not from any clumsy stupid efforts you are making.
On the contrary, I think people do have brains. It's you that doesn't which is why you use simple obvious persuasion propaganda.
People ignore truth when you engage in obvious propaganda. Who would pay attention to a Seek? A dirty filthy Seek? This is an example of plain propaganda, Seek. Are you a Seek?
It's simple to use primitive propaganda, but what Seek would pay attention to a Hindu screaming about the evils of the Seeks?
You cannot alienate people when trying to educate them. I had obviously racist professors as a student in General Education courses. What sort of respect to their thinking do you think I gave them? You are appealing to dummies. I don't think that is the correct route, but I could be wrong.
This fits the observations of my Assamese friends who'd said that since Indira Gandhi, their former home state was a warzone under Martial Law.
And thus, it aligns with the narrative that during the Mohgul Empire, Assam was an independent nation-state doing well on its own with no clerics banging on its doors.
And finally, under the British Raj, they also managed as 'semi-independent' as the Empire provided protection but when the British left, all hell broke loose and their former nation-state was never the same.
So should Assam, along with Burma (plus Malaysia, since it's an addendum to the British Asian dominions), be independent nations, away from mainland India?
I mean Assam has a case. It was never under the rule of Babur, Akbar, etc. There's no reason for it to be a part of India today.
Did I tell you before that myanmar wanted to be part of India too?
You can keep repeating the same thing again and again like goebels but it will not make any difference.
https://twitter.com/sankrant/status/1340429432876515333
From tweet:
Anyone who uses the following terms to "explain" India is deeply colonized. They are using memes fabricated by the British for subjugation and narrative control. Which memes:
1. Caste
2. Brahmanism
3. "Aryan" race/Aryan Invasion
4. "Adivasi"/"tribal"
5. "Dravidian" as a "race"
This is from Marco Polo. I guess this will burst your bubble that Indians are racists towards black people.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1356530618750930944.html
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