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Regarding a UBI


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2021 Mar 5, 12:54pm   3,870 views  63 comments

by Zak   ➕follow (0)   💰tip   ignore  

"Some people will take the money and sit around and do nothing, but so what?"

I was thinking about this, and came up with the following. Tldr : eliminate income tax, and create a prosperity dividend instead of a UBI
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For UBI, the money doesn't magically come from nowhere. You have to take it from someone to give it to someone else. If you "print" it, then you take it from everyone equally, but it then gets spent and redistributed into the hands of business owners who benefit from the spending. This therefore hurts people who are not in the capitalist class through inflation. You can see this is true, because of our current minimum/living wage fight. If increasing GDP over time with inflation is supposed to help everyone, then the minimum wage shouldn't continue to be an issue, as more economic output distributed equally would tend to create additional higher paying jobs. Instead what we see is a reversion to a low paying service economy with more and more people bouncing off the minimum wage floor. At the same time, the wealth disparity is increasing, and the richest 1% have gained substantially more than the 99% below them over the previous 40 years. This can't be blamed on republicans, or democrats, or taxes, as taxes only take further from incomes, and don't ADD to people's incomes. Additionally, the trend has been consistent over both republican and democrat led presidencies and congresses.

So again, currently with a UBI, you will get inflation, which hurts savers, and benefits the 1%, as they get the money. So the bottom 10% will be marginally better off, the middle 89% will be markedly WORSE off, and the 1% will consolidate further wealth (as always). So what's the answer?

In my very humble opinion, a start to the answer is to eliminate the w-2 income tax, and instead gather that tax from income and wages paid by corporations. With the middle class no longer worried that every tax proposed will fiscally damage them, they will be willing to vote for social programs that come from tax revenues instead of from inflation. The tax code will be more fair, as corporations with actual lobbying power will fight amongst themselves to equalize taxes paid. Corporations will be the first to rat each other out from these double irish sandwich tax loops if it means they can lower their own tax burden, instead of jus relying on income taxes to fuel the government, and weasleing their way out of their fair share.

Then, we can do a UBI, but instead of a fixed base income, it can be a prosperity dividend. If the country does well, and GDP goes up, you get a bigger payout. If we have a bad year, your payout won't be as big, but we won't create inflation to erode your savings. Additionally, we eliminate 90% of the IRS having to focus on individual tax returns, and they can focus on corporate compliance. This also saves billions of dollars in paperwork and tax return costs each year.

A side benefit, all the government conspiracy theorist/haters will have a massive reduction in anti-government sentiment, as they are no longer under the gun from the IRS. And instead of people being against corporations (big AND small), we will be cheering for them to earn massive profits, and earn us a higher prosperity dividend.

Additionally, I could see the rich actually lobbying for HIGHER capital gains taxes, and lower wage taxes, as wage taxes would need to be paid every year, but capital gains can occur much less frequently.

What do you guys think?

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62   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Oct 16, 5:27pm  

komputodo says


2 things....which Korea and far worse it what way?


South Korea

Gender Wars in their version of Gen Z. Far, far worse than here. There is open violence amongst the genders even. Mostly incel men attacking single women. Lot more rapes going on probablly, but unreported.

Birth rate is catastrophic as a result. 0.7 or so. Might as well be zero.

Last year, 230,000 babies were born...OUT 51 MILLION ppl. Average age of Korean women when they pop out their first kid: 36

Out of wedlock births are still taboo there. They may have to revisit that.

North Korea has other reasons...mostly because of past famine and heavy social population control similar to China. All that can be reversed. In a couple of decades, their standing army will go from 4 million to 2 million. But South Korea's will go to 500,000 unless they start drafting women.

Of course, the South's infrastructure will have collapsed along with the tax base long before that.

Norks just have to bide their time.

https://youtu.be/lmoZ_W4WjW0?si=pMdbpXODOk3AFhk0

https://youtu.be/7ry2IhtQvgY?si=ztOr465p5VgFRYh-
63   AmericanKulak   2024 Oct 16, 6:47pm  

stereotomy says

BOTH Koreas. In fact, South Korea is worse than NK, with a birthrate of around 0.5. That is fall off the cliff in the "Greatest Earthquake Ever Known" into The Land of Lost territory bad. I didn't even mention the Sleestack . . .

Feminism is worse than starving under a One-Party Totalitarian regime.

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