patrick.net

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2021/04/01/public-health-professor-reveals-the-reason-for-the-urgency-of-the-vaccination-push-pesky-states-reopening-creates-a-small-window-of-opportunity-to-push-the-vaccine/

Zak says

1) There seem to be some cases of the Astra Zenica vaccine causing an "enhanced" immune response.

So it's going to make my allergies worse!

Getting into the weeds in this thread. If you're 60 and under and in even fair health (maybe even slightly overweight) there is 0 reason to take the vaccine. There's a reason you get to 60. You've allowed your immune system to fight its own battles. And any other vaccines that most people have taken when they were young, had decades of research on any side effects and if they work.

You should never take anything you don't HAVE to take to stay alive. This vax is 100% one of those things not to take. There's a higher probability by huge exponential amounts that you'll die falling down the stairs instead of Covid if you're under 60.

Here are some other examples. A dog killing you. Lightening strike. Alligator attack on the golf course. Your kid or spouse stabbing you. A rotted out tree falling on you during high winds. Falling off a horse. A foul ball at a baseball game. For you CA guys a wildfire. Sitting in a storefront and a geezer puts it in drive instead of reverse.

Note that all the things I list are KNOWN activities. Anyone on this site can determine the risk of doing said activities unconsciously. Not one person on this site or planet right now can determine the true short term (under a year) and long term (years plus). Nobody. Indisputable. It hasn't even existed a year.

And don't say they can replicate other CV vaccines so they don't need as much time now. BS. It's not FDA a approved and even they approve a fuck ton of shit that is awful for you.

TL:DR - NEVER take anything that isn't proven to keep you alive. Supplements maybe, but just eat healthy and you'll continue to live. Covid won't kill you.

WookieMan says

NEVER take anything that isn't proven to keep you alive. Supplements maybe, but just eat healthy and you'll continue to live. Covid won't kill you.

@Wookie

Covid is now a religion. It meets all the requirements.

They don’t want people to be immune to Covid19. They want to sell the vaccine to people and keep them coming back for more shots. And that’s the BEST case scenario that more or less fits the facts: that the government is in bed with big pharma and dedicated to giving them billions of tax dollars in a scheme to make certain people wildly rich. The worst case scenario is that the vaccine is harmful in some systemic way that will reduce human population over time in a significant way. Either decreasing fertility or inducing autoimmune diseases and cancers that kill off many or most of the vaccinated.

And what’s the benefit? To avoid getting a nasty cold?
Fuck a bunch of that. I would rather exercise and eat right, take my vitamins and lift weights and just be healthy enough to fight off any stupid little virus.
Where’s the public health push towards ... health? It’s entirely missing from the discussion and in fact it’s denigrated as only an option for the most privileged people and thus racist and also uncaring about people who are unhealthy.
That is just one reason I know that the government and media don’t care a shit about people being immune from the virus, only that they get vaxxed

Shaman says

They don’t want people to be immune to Covid19. They want to sell the vaccine to people and keep them coming back for more shots. And that’s the BEST case scenario that more or less fits the facts: that the government is in bed with big pharma and dedicated to giving them billions of tax dollars in a scheme to make certain people wildly rich. The worst case scenario is that the vaccine is harmful in some systemic way that will reduce human population over time in a significant way. Either decreasing fertility or inducing autoimmune diseases and cancers that kill off many or most of the vaccinated.

This.

What's interesting is my neighbor was coming outta his house the other day and asked me if I got my shot, I told him I wouldn't even consider it, until it had gone through clinical trials and had a history of safety.

He said that him and his wife had their second dose the other day.

They avoid us like the plague now.

What's funny, is that last year, during the peak of covid, we were all having drinks together.

I thought that vax was gonna keep you safe.

joshuatrio says

He said that him and his wife had their second dose the other day.

They avoid us like the plague now.

It is as if people think getting the jab stops them from spreading the disease, but not from catching it. Since you did not get the jab, you are still toxic to them.

HeadSet says

joshuatrio says

He said that him and his wife had their second dose the other day.

They avoid us like the plague now.

It is as if people think getting the jab stops them from spreading the disease, but not from catching it. Since you did not get the jab, you are still toxic to them.

Yeah, this is crazy.

Or.

I'm so much more damn retarded than everyone else, I can't even begin to comprehend the level of sanity that the rest of the lemmings have.

joshuatrio says

They avoid us like the plague now.

They don’t think you’re making a moral decision. That you’re selfish for not wanting to be a lab rat to keep grandma safe. You can’t take people like that seriously. If they’re that politically charged and intolerant, who needs them?

I was thinking yesterday about it.
I posted this elsewhere here.

If Wuhan spreads so easily, and nobody has stayed in a monastery, don't you think that within a whole year you have not been exposed to virus already, possibly several times?

https://www.collective-evolution.com/2021/04/01/the-top-four-reasons-why-many-people-doctors-scientists-refuse-to-take-the-covid-vaccine/

The vaxxed are just butthurt that people like us prove it’s not necessary by our very existence. They don’t want to admit they were mindlessly manipulated into getting a shot that is, at best, pointless.

I had my second shot a few days ago. Nothing happened.

Booger says

The vaxxed are just butthurt that people like us prove it’s not necessary by our very existence. They don’t want to admit they were mindlessly manipulated into getting a shot that is, at best, pointless.

I agree with this. But I also don't care if people get the vaccine. Their body.

I get pissed if someone is going to shame me for NOT getting the shot though. That's my beef with the current climate. Or potential vaccine passports. Nobody has any right to my medical records for a flu bug. If I was walking around giving people Ebola, okay maybe I could see a reason to restrict me. Covid isn't deadly for pretty much anyone under 60. Those that die under 60 have severe ailments.

joshuatrio says

What's funny, is that last year, during the peak of covid, we were all having drinks together.

This is a wild ride, this psychological event. I believe it is a psychological experiment. Amazing 2 different people experiencing the same event can see it so differently. Truly amazing.

I still see the hardcore maskers in the park.

Shaman says

Where’s the public health push towards ... health? It’s entirely missing from the discussion and in fact it’s denigrated as only an option for the most privileged people and thus racist and also uncaring about people who are unhealthy.

I'll tell you what is racist, not acknowledging that a significant portion of the Black community is Vitamin D deficient and that it is a significant driver of their increased mortality. The Evil Elf Fauci has acknowledged personally taking over 8-10,000 iu of Vitamin D during the winter months. And yet he never makes an attempt to push elimination of D deficiency, through testing and supplementation, as a national policy.
Let alone using Covid to initiate public health policy that attempts to do something about our staggering obesity levels.

I REALLY liked this Mayo trained Dr.'s breakdown of the whole situation. (30 minute video)

original link
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He talks about the suppression of all potential early treatments, which was mandatory in order to peddle their gene therapy bullshit. He personally has taken HQC and now Ivermectin prophylactically for months, and never gotten sick while seeing thousands of patients, an exposure level exponentially higher than what any of us would ever have. He says masks are shite.
This guy is so passionate and credible that I am going to share it with some Media Brainwashed True Believers and see if it can have any impact.
He also reminds me to get ahold of a little Ivermectin (and gives a tip how) in case the Bug sneaks up on me.

You guys are the same crowd that buys a house in a flood plain and then cry when your house floods. And youre pissed off about having to get flood insurance so you dont. Then, as fucking predicted, your house floods and the poor me cries start.

In the meantime you are crowing about how you can fill sandbags, and those other people should just up their sandbagging skills, since flood level predictions are just a government conspiracy...

Yikes!

Robert Sproul says

I REALLY liked his Mayo trained Dr.'s breakdown of the whole situation. (30 minute video)

This guy is great!

So they can't approve the vaccine if cheap and easy treatments like HCQ and Ivermectin are shown to work.

That explains a ton.

I got vaxxed with J&J more than a month ago. No bad effects whatsoever, and did it for convenience (can be Ted-Cruzish and tell that they can stuff their masks because SCIENCE). That is not all, however. I feel like crap today and will get corona tested tomorrow. If I am positive, it will be interesting. Before getting vaxxed, I spent hours in car with someone who went down with corona a day later, and did not get it.

Patrick says

So they can't approve the vaccine if cheap and easy treatments like HCQ and Ivermectin are shown to work.

That explains a ton.

NO vitamin/supplement recommendations, (D, zinc, quercitin, selenium, NAC have all been shown to be useful) or guidelines, to build resistance are being suggested. NO early treatments are being investigated.
They are using Cass Sunstein’s Nudge Theory to manipulate us into their “vaccines” (Shortages! Rich people are cheating!) instead of using it to encourage much needed dietary reforms.
These people are monsters.

Rb6d says

I got vaxxed with J&J more than a month ago. No bad effects whatsoever, and did it for convenience (can be Ted-Cruzish and tell that they can stuff their masks because SCIENCE). That is not all, however. I feel like crap today and will get corona tested tomorrow. If I am positive, it will be interesting. Before getting vaxxed, I spent hours in car with someone who went down with corona a day later, and did not get it.

I know people who tested positive and got Covid right after their first shot (some took the single shot one and some were scheduled to come back for their 2nd shot). I find suspect (even for those not fully vaccinated yet) that they caught Covid right after the shot after evading it for over a year. Also not social butterflies or world travelers. Definitely odd.

Blue says

What's the best answer for coworkers and neighbors asking if you got or when are you going to get vaccinated!

My body my choice, or tell them you had Covid so you already have immunity.

It's also super creepy that the NIH owns the patent on the Moderna vaccine and they are cooperating for profit.

Government regulatory agencies should not be in bed with the companies they are supposed to be regulating.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. discussed the COVID-19 vaccine and the coronavirus pandemic. Citing his experience in assessing related scientific issues he encountered in his career as an environmental lawyer, Kennedy has fashioned himself a crusader against Big Pharma and the government health apparatus that he says props it up.

In addition to other assertions, Kennedy described Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) as "an abject failure" who profits personally by promoting vaccines, and made the unsubstantiated claim that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are dangerous.

I think Kennedy is right.

Booger,
I’m not butthurt, I’m not upset and I wasn’t forced into anything.
I don’t care if anyone else takes the shot or not,

I took it because I want to travel and I don’t want to have a hassle getting back into the USA.
I believe that I was sick with Wuhan a year ago already.

My friend who is an MD who is working with a biotech company who was previously a Vice President at Merck took it and didn’t warn me against it, so I figured I would survive it at least.

It’s possible that he is complacent and unaware of the risks too, he might not have given it a second thought, I don’t know.

And say that millions start dying in the 6 or 9 months it takes to develop immune disorders or cancer from the mRNA injections.

Did Fraudulent Fauci and Moderna think about that? What's their plan then?

I think if things really get hot for them, their friends in high places will start an even bigger problem to distract everyone from biggest criminal frauds of all time: the global shutdown and vaccines while ignoring HCQ and ivermectin.

I bought Ivermectin at an online pharmacy I've used in the past. I know my doctor won't prescribe it.

@porkchopexpress Can you say which online pharmacy?

@patrick. The vaccines have been in trials now for over 9 months. The guinea pig volunteers would be showing signs if it was going to happen

Patrick says

@porkchopexpress Can you say which online pharmacy?

Believe it or not...

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/durvet-ivermectin-paste-187-608-g

joshuatrio says

What's funny, is that last year, during the peak of covid, we were all having drinks together.

I thought that vax was gonna keep you safe.

The brainwashing is staggering. Thought has ceased to exist. Our most vulnerable demographic and important for the future cannot even get this vaccine, kids. Let that soak in. Your kids can die, but 40 year old healthy women are getting the vaccine.

Reality is the kids can't or won't die and Covid is NOT at all dangerous. Other influenza strains currently active can kill kids. My neighbors lost their child 10 years ago roughly, he was 4 years old. We've gone max retard with this. Maybe nuclear retard. In modern times this is just the worst flu season in half a century, while we're uncertain of how deaths are being classified due to Covid bonuses for hospitals for uninsured people.

I know boat loads of geezers too. My dad passed in '19 and had over 600 people attend his celebration of life event or whatever they call it now a days. Would have been 70 this year. I know FB sucks, different topic, but none of my mom and dad's peers have passed away from Covid based on what I've seen on FB or word of mouth from my mom. We're talking 60-80 range. Huge network as he was a private attorney, so he needed to know a lot of people to get business.

Thing is, you know you're right when the counter argument is you're a tin foil hat person or conspiracy theorist. My personal anecdotal data and the actual data point to Covid being bull shit. At least not something worth getting a shot over just like the other flu strains. And I'm not anti-vax for real conditions either. I'm anti paying big Pharma for something that won't kill me. No different than the reason I won't take a Tylenol or Advil because I hurt for something minor.

Zak says

@patrick. The vaccines have been in trials now for over 9 months. The guinea pig volunteers would be showing signs if it was going to happen

It has but has been covered up.
Where's Tiffany Dover?

And you never answered why you personally are pushing the experimental biologic agent?

Patrick says

@porkchopexpress Can you say which online pharmacy?

AllDayChemist. Been ordering from them for years for various things. It's legit. I also got HCQ and Azithromycin from them. They now take Zelle payments which is way better than checks.

WineHorror1 says

Patrick says

@porkchopexpress Can you say which online pharmacy?

Believe it or not...

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/durvet-ivermectin-paste-187-608-g

Yea, I'd be careful about getting the version for animals or anything else. Order the version for humans.

Zak says

The vaccines have been in trials now for over 9 months. The guinea pig volunteers would be showing signs if it was going to happen

No they won't. What stops Pfizer or Moderna from $1M payments to the guinea pigs to shut their mouth? Who could track it or find out? Your faith in large corps is disappointing. These weren't massive trials by any means. And even if proven safe, there's still vaccination of millions of people that will give us even better data. I'll wait on the real guinea pigs.

I've cheated in small business. If you think a company like Pfizer or Moderna is 100% above board you got another thing coming. Everyone cheats. Sometimes the cheating can give you cancer 5 years down the road and you're dead. I ain't risking it for something like a 0.0001% chance of dying for my age. If one wants to I won't judge you. But don't judge me or penalize me for not wanting to take it. I've taken every recommended vaccine my entire life outside of the flu. So have my kids. Logic and science matter. This vaccine is not ready and it wasn't under Trump. This isn't political outside of the narrative being made political. Gotta open your eyes.

WookieMan says

Your faith in large corps is disappointing.

Agreed. I know better than to trust "the powers that be". If someone doesn't do their own research and truly make their own decisions, they do so at their own peril.

Robert Sproul says

I REALLY liked this Mayo trained Dr.'s breakdown of the whole situation. (30 minute video)

Dr. Ryan Cole is very into vitamin D, which is fine. I've heard before that it helps the immune system. Though it is possible to OD on it if you chronically take too much as pills.

His numbers are interesting: the highest death rates from the virus are among blacks, then Hispanics, and whites way lower than either. People call it "racism" of course because they call EVERYTHING racism these days, but vitamin D is actually a more probable reason for that disparity. White people just naturally make more vitamin D. And then black and Hispanic people are more likely to be obese as well.

And this is exactly why white people are white to being with. Having lighter skin at high latitudes helped them to survive by making more vitamin D.

And lol, red-haired people are extremely white and get the most vitamin D from sunlight (along with the most skin cancer). I have reddish hair.

Patrick says

Dr. Ryan Cole is very into vitamin D, which is fine. I've heard before that it helps the immune system. Though it is possible to OD on it if you chronically take too much as pills.

You have to take a lot to OD on it. 5k units a day may be good for most who are deficient, but you can take 50k-100k units a per week safely according to most studies, which shows how ridiculous the current daily recommendation of 200-1000 IU is, esp. for our sun phobic society. Even sunny areas such as the bay area have a staggering amount of Vit D deficiency, I read as high as 40%.