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Ya, the rushed nature is what gives me such reservations for this vaccine.

When deciding whether to approve a vaccine in an emergency like this, I'd imagine they weigh the good vs the bad, and if they think an unproven vaccine will help people significantly more than harm them, they would (and generally should) approve it.

I don't plan to get vaccinated soon, but we'll see. If it mutated to a more deadly form, then I would reconsider. But right now, I'm more scared of the long term vaccine implications, like others. Will I end up sterile, or have severe allergies 2-3 years down the road? I don't know. The fact that censorship is now upon us, and anything anti health authority gets censored really bothers me. When they censor, I must assume they're hiding something.

Rb6d says

I have 100 F fever, feel tired, don't have appetite, that's about it.

AND PCR positive?

Never mind, you answered.

PCR "cases" is what's driving the hysteria. Public masking is extending the fear. Don't mask, don't test; problem solved.

The pandemic part has been over for a long while. The endemic part of the Wuhan is only starting.

Onvacation is correct.

FuckCCP89 says

WookieMan says

I can't imagine they're making that much, but who knows... especially with health insurance.

The numbers are from the ins bill.

Not denying what you're saying. Shit is priced differently across the country. Hence why health insurance is a fucking racket. They likely charge those on the coastal areas more. It's not just real estate. I've looked into moving out there. The cost isn't worth it for the same income. I'm also assuming you're in CA with this comment. I'll have to log into my insurance account and see what their "price" was for our tests. I didn't go to a doctor though to get mine. So maybe that makes it cheaper?

Hircus says

When they censor, I must assume they're hiding something.

Yup, by default that's what censorship is. Hiding facts. Lots of it going on too. I'm younger, but my parents friends and peers are right in the wheelhouse to die from Covid. None of my parents friends have passed from covid that got it. My old man knew well over 1k people or was their attorney. My mom was a teacher. Out of that network no one has died from Covid.

It's pure shit at this point. Now everyone is getting shots for something that has almost no chance of killing them, which is their right and go ahead, not judging. Even if it's safe and protects you, what's the point? I'm not going to wait in line with a bunch of other people to a shot, given to me by people in hazmat suits, for something that has a 0.001% chance of killing someone my age. I'd have better luck on the lotto.

WookieMan says

Bitcoin says

now that I am vaxxed, we can finally invite a shit ton of people to our house! Pool party! It was a shame to not share our nice backyard during this beautiful sunshine weather!
Thank you Johnson and Johnson!

Wowzer.

I know! I am excited for the summer! Feels great to be vaxxed :) Also, our company is making bank with any covid related product....cant talk about margins but its biiiiiig.

WookieMan says

I've looked into moving out there. The cost isn't worth it for the same income

Yep, not many can afford to live in CA and maintain a fun life style. Often people hate on SoCal because they are jealous :)
Some people are just meant to remain in flyover country.

WookieMan says

I didn't go to a doctor though to get mine. So maybe that makes it cheaper?

This was not at a doctor's office but at one of these "free Covid testing drive-through sites" in SFBA.

FuckCCP89 says

WookieMan says

I didn't go to a doctor though to get mine. So maybe that makes it cheaper?

This was not at a doctor's office but at one of these "free Covid testing drive-through sites" in SFBA.

Ah. So likely some kickback action going on? Doesn't surprise me. $450 for a Q-tip, a tube, a bag and a person processing it is laughable. Oh and some shipping fees for a 4oz item.

Bitcoin says

Yep, not many can afford to live in CA and maintain a fun life style. Often people hate on SoCal because they are jealous :)

Or I can just put the 20-30% difference into things that make more money than living in CA AND still travel anywhere I want. And not deal with crazy people. And not deal with fires. And not deal with eventual earthquakes. And not deal with 13% income taxes. Not deal with AIDS. And not deal with massive gas taxes. And not deal with insane property values for shit 1,200sf homes. And not be remotely near Hollywood. And not deal with illegals. And not deal with homeless, shit and needles everywhere.

Jealousy is a two way street. I haven't looked at my bank account in probably 2 years. Get a daily update via text and nothing has been stolen, so why look at it. I don't have to invest in shady shit. I just make money. You keep coming after me and never have an intelligent response. No one cares about "Socal." I've been. It's fine. IL is fine, but I know you've never been so you talk out your ass. Many other states are better than CA financially and weather wise. You keep falling back on a moronic points of view about the dumpster fire you live in. Wake up.

WookieMan says

Bitcoin says

Yep, not many can afford to live in CA and maintain a fun life style. Often people hate on SoCal because they are jealous :)

Jealousy is a two way street

Yep, Some people are just meant to remain in flyover country. I cant imagine if SoCal would be more affordable.....we would be crowded! I like it how it is. Quality of Life, beautiful weather, beautiful beaches and top tech jobs are something that is unique to SoCal. You get what you pay for. In flyover country a house might not cost 1+ Million but you have to live in flyover country and not in SoCal :)

Latest good news is that mRna in vaccines can force cells to produce prions. Those are the proteins implicated in forms of neurologic dementia. Dementia could become permanent within six months.

I live in a smaller city and I can't wait to get out of here and into a quiet, rural area, away from the insanity of the urban collectivists.

Forget flyover, I want to be in an area where planes don't even come into sight.

yep, the vaxxed ones will have permanent dementia in 6 weeks and die within 1-2 years (according to Onvacation's experts). Good thing we have some smart people left that remain un-vaxxed! I got my J&J and couldnt be happier :) Party pool time! I got 6 months until I'll forget I even have a pool ROFL

Ceffer says

Latest good news is that mRna in vaccines can force cells to produce prions. Those are the proteins implicated in forms of neurologic dementia. Dementia could become permanent within six months.

Prion disease is one way people have speculated you could make a zombie. Accelerated dementia coupled with a reversion to base animalistic desires to Eat.
Is this how the zombie apocalypse begins: with a mass vaccination? Isn’t that what kicked off The Walking Dead series?

Oh snap! And the fact that most of the vaccinated are old people means that the zombies will be staggering along rather slowly. Hands raised for balance as they reach for the young prey!

Bitcoin says

beautiful beaches

That's a massive no. CA beaches are sooooo overrated unless you're in the water surfing. Frankly they're crap. Sure you've got some cliffs and scenery, but the sand and beaches themselves are crap.

Bitcoin says

top tech jobs

....that you can work from anywhere and do. And not pay a 30% premium to do so because of weather AND then overpay for shit homes. My buddy just rebuilt JPM's website... from IL. His house is bigger than yours and 1/5th cost.

Bitcoin says

I got my J&J and couldnt be happier :) Party pool time!

Yes, waiting for the government to tell you when to have a pool party when 80% of the country has had them. Welcome to 2020, been doing it for a while during this pandemic. There's ZERO reason for anyone under age 50 to get any of the different versions. I won't judge people that do, but I take care of myself, am young enough and don't need to take something that is 1,000% unproven unless this whole thing was a hoax. I'd say I'll take my chances, but there are no chances to take.

Please don't turn this thread into yet another G36/Bitcoin vs WookieMan battle royale.

Bitcoin - stop trolling dude or more and more people will just keep ignoring you, including me, and I share your passion for crypto.

porkchopexpress says

Please don't turn this thread into yet another G36/Bitcoin vs WookieMan battle royale.

Bitcoin - stop trolling dude or more and more people will just keep ignoring you, including me, and I share your passion for crypto.

Nope, it's another Bitcoin vs WookieMan thread!

The more research I do the less likely I am to take the jab.

I've never taken the flu shot, which is an actual vaccine, and I am not about to take an experimental biologic agent that the government lies about.

WAKE UP!

There is no pandemic! There is no need for gene therapy! Please don't take the experimental biologic agent unless you willingly want to be a Guinea pig.

And why would anyone do that? Unless you have comorbidities, your chance of dying is statistically zero.

In case you didn't know, you are really excited to get your jab:

Harvard Health Publishing, Huh? I remember when they used to be a university, like when the NYT used to be a newspaper.

Booger says

In case you didn't know, you are really excited to get your jab:

Sadly, many are.

On the drive home from Easter at my sisters house yesterday my wife zoomed with her very liberal family. I could not help but hear. They Zoom every Sunday and the topic turned to vaccination. Most of them are vaccinated, or are scheduled for vaccination. My 27 year old niece bragged about how she used a health scare from her teen years (heart issue, resolved) to get herself to the front of the line.

So far no serious side effects though my SIL caught the flu (tested. It wasn't Wuhan) two days after her shot. I hope there are no long term effects as these kids, my nieces and nephews, are right in the middle of their child bearing years.

Our government is criminal in pushing this shit without listing all of the known and possible side effects. There should be clear warning that the agent is experimental and will not give you immunity. Even an ad for an incontinence drug will give you a long list of possible side effects. Instead the fear porn is stampeding everyone into getting "Shots in the arm".

Shot in the arm - Idioms by The Free Dictionary

COMMON A shot in the arm is something that gives help and encouragement at a time when it is needed. Having a member of the royal family taking part in the sport has provided a massive shot in the arm. Last weekend's Gold Coast Boat Show has proved a shot in the arm for the marine industry.

Fuck those advertising perverts.

I wanted to pause for a bit after tpb s announcement about his mom. You guys keep bringing up that you dont know what side effects there may be from this potentially nefarios biological agent. Im trying to understand if you all think it is more likely unintended vs intended side effects you are worried about. And the other thing im trying to understand is no one knows long term side effects of covid either. Why do you think vaccine is more dangerous long term than covid??? Covid may have come from a chinese lab too!!!

So the vaccine may have a 1 in 40000 fataliry rate vs covid w 1 in 1500... why wouldnt side effect chances follow this pattern? Dont need science... just what is your take on that...?

I've taken the J&J shot. One and done. I am alive and well and are scheduling pool parties at our house!

Onvacation says

Booger says

In case you didn't know, you are really excited to get your jab:

Sadly, many are.

Super excited to be vaxxed now! I know I have only 6 more month until dementia and 1-2 years until I die (according to onvacation's experts) but until then its pool party time!

Bitcoin says

I've taken the J&J shot. One and done. I am alive and well and are scheduling pool parties at our house!

Isn't the J&J one the least objectionable one?

Booger says

Bitcoin says

I've taken the J&J shot. One and done. I am alive and well and are scheduling pool parties at our house!

Isn't the J&J one the least objectionable one?

according to our experts here the timeline is: in 6 month dementia. 1-2 death.
Until October I will remember the pool parties.

Zak says

Why do you think vaccine is more dangerous long term than covid?

Two reasons:

1. Literally injecting foreign genetic material to take over the machinery of your body has never been done on a mass scale before. Reeks of something that is likely to go horribly wrong (or horribly right, if the future problems are intentional).

2. For me, the chance of dying of the virus is so close to zero that I have no worry at all about it.

@Zak

porkchopexpress says

Please don't turn this thread into yet another G36/Bitcoin vs WookieMan battle royale.

Bitcoin - stop trolling dude or more and more people will just keep ignoring you, including me, and I share your passion for crypto.

I’ll chill. I have in other threads. He’s the one bouncing to new threads now and playing his game because he wasn’t getting attention after so many ignores.

I’ll seriously chill though.

WookieMan says

Bitcoin vs WookieMan

Its not really a Vs. lol. Just me calling out his jealousy and BS predictions. ("bitcoin will go to 1.2k" ....still smiling about this one)

@patrick
" Literally injecting foreign genetic material to take over the machinery of your body has never been done on a mass scale before."

That's the definition of a virus. That's literally what covid is... it's even more sinister than that. It's mutated to sneakily bypass our bodies natural foreign body barriers. This is what I mean about the virus is literally worse than the injection, and by definition, it is subject to replication mutation. These are all ways in which actually viruses are worse and bad, which is why I'm trying to understand if people are forgetting this.

Both things are risks, and are taking over your body's machinery to produce a design of its choice. In the human case, it is non-replicating, and generating a protein to illicit an immune response to fight the one that actually takes over machinery and self replicates, causes respiratory damage, potentially mutates, and spreads to other potentially vulnerable people just by getting close to them... It's already mutating, so we know that more mutations are coming the more people are infected... why not reduce yourself as an infection pathway with a chance of mutation?

Zak says

@patrick
" Literally injecting foreign genetic material to take over the machinery of your body has never been done on a mass scale before."

That's the definition of a virus. That's literally what covid is... it's even more sinister than that. It's mutated to sneakily bypass our bodies natural foreign body barriers. This is what I mean about the virus is literally worse than the injection, and by definition, it is subject to replication mutation. These are all ways in which actually viruses are worse and bad, which is why I'm trying to understand if people are forgetting this.

Both things are risks, and are taking over your body's machinery to produce a design of its choice. In the human case, it is non-replicating, and generating a protein to illicit an immune response to fight the one that actually takes over machinery and self replicates, causes respiratory damage, potentially mutates, and spreads to other potentially vulnerable people just by getting close to them...

Because your arm is heavily vascular and it may spread everywhere, coated to evade your bodies primary defenses to produce the spike protein. Much more sinister. Sure the vector DNA and mrna is designed to deteriorate by itself but it still leaves the body with a potentially large immune reaction after being tricked initially. And with lingering inflammatory effects. Also the antibodies produced against the spike protein deteriorate quickly, i.e. it's not part of a long lasting immune response and would be subject to continuous boosters. However on natural infection there's also T and B cell response which have a much longer memory in recognizing sars cov 2 and variants long after the antibodies have faded. Also in animal models ADE was a huge problem eventually killing the animals. Only vaccinated people are at risk of ADE, the more they get vaccinated the greater the risk. Of course the virus and the bodies overreaction can so cause severe damage but you have an array of therapies now which given early will prevent serious disease progression.

Zak says

That's the definition of a virus.

Not exactly. In the case of a virus, a few particles start to replicate themselves in your nose, giving the body quite a bit of warning so that it can defend itself.

This is very different from a deliberate mass injection of foreign mRNA by piercing your skin and shooting it directly into your bloodstream.

It just feels very very wrong to me, especially because I there is a large profit motive and very little testing.

@patrick
" In the case of a virus, a few particles start to replicate themselves in your nose, giving the body quite a bit of warning so that it can defend itself."

If this was the case, we wouldn't have 500k oldsters dead, and tens or hundred thousands more with other lingering problems.

Aids is just a virus too, right? What did it mutate from before it was AIDS?

Although you are right in that there is strong evidence that the initial viral load exposure seems to have an impact on the severity of a given infection due to the replication multiplier getting that many more times of the virus into your system for your immune cells to deal with... With mRNA.. yet another problem that doesn't exist....no replication...

Zak says

I wanted to pause for a bit after tpb s announcement about his mom. You guys keep bringing up that you dont know what side effects there may be from this potentially nefarios biological agent. Im trying to understand if you all think it is more likely unintended vs intended side effects you are worried about. And the other thing im trying to understand is no one knows long term side effects of covid either. Why do you think vaccine is more dangerous long term than covid??? Covid may have come from a chinese lab too!!!

So the vaccine may have a 1 in 40000 fataliry rate vs covid w 1 in 1500... why wouldnt side effect chances follow this pattern? Dont need science... just what is your take on that...?

We're all getting Covid regardless of whether you get the vaccine or not. It's endemic to the world population. So, we'll all be dealing with any long-term issues that Covid may create. Now the question is, do you trust your natural immune system (plus therapeutics) to fight Covid adequately, or do you want the vaccine to help you fight it? I've already had Covid and recovered just fine, so I know my body can handle it. If you don't think you're body can handle it and think the risk of the vaccine will be less, go for it. Everything is a gamble right now.

@mell
"Also the antibodies produced against the spike protein deteriorate quickly"

I appreciate that you're looking at the data and actual information around this. I'm glad we can actually have refreshing and engaging conversations on topics like this, and get different viewpoints where people are "constructively arguing". It's one of the things I love about patnet ...

On this particular point you are correct. The same thing happens though with normal viral antibodies, or "normal vaccine" antibodies. The antibodies themselves deteriorate, but memory T cells seem to encode the antibody encoding for long term defense. Initial results seem to be promising that the mRNA sourced antibody response shares this property.

But you're 100% right, and there isn't yet long term efficacy data.. so I appreciate what you are saying is a possibility...

Zak says

It's already mutating, so we know that more mutations are coming the more people are infected... why not reduce yourself as an infection pathway with a chance of mutation?

Granted, I'm no scientist but wouldn't a strong natural immune system that is more comprehensive in its response to a virus provide less of a pathway to mutation than a very one-dimensional vaccine that makes it easier for a virus to mutate? We should be giving people immunity packs like they have in India to boost natural responses. The vaccine does not stop infection...I already know several people who have been infected, gotten sick and infected others with more than 2-3 weeks of their 2nd dose. It is NOT some silver bullet that so many people think it is. If people loaded up on Vit D, Zinc, Quercetin, Ivermectin, etc., I bet their ability to handle the virus would be as good or better than some experimental vaccine.

Patrick says

This is very different from a deliberate mass injection of foreign mRNA by piercing your skin and shooting it directly into your bloodstream.

It just feels very very wrong to me, especially because I there is a large profit motive and very little testing.

Spot on, especially when the FDA, CDC, etc. were demonizing real therapeutics just so they could get emergency FDA authorization, which requires no viable therapeutics to obtain. The fact that they pulled that bullshit makes me VERY skeptical as to why they're pushing so hard to inject everyone for a virus that we can easily manage with the proper supplementation/medication.