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joshuatrio says

Could it be possible that your family got sick, because you got the "jab?"

As much as I dislike the vaccine, it doesn’t work that way. I’m very concerned, however, about long-term issues with autoimmune disease. Everything from Crohns to lupus to MS and psoriasis and cancer are possible from immune system malfunction. Even sudden death from weirder immune responses, which have claimed almost 2000 lives so far from the vaccine.

I deeply mistrust the government and the vaccine. If you were to go about removing a great swath of the population who were the least useful to society, this would be a great way to do it. Oldsters and white collar parasites with Leftist proclivities would fall like barley stalks before the thresher. Thanks to the prohibition on vaccinating children, the younger generations would survive to become workers. And the eaters would be dead and gone.

Just a possibility, but one I can’t rule out. I guess we will see who is right a couple years from now, and who is dead.

Shaman says

As much as I dislike the vaccine, it doesn’t work that way. I’m very concerned, however, about long-term issues with autoimmune disease. Everything from Crohns to lupus to MS and psoriasis and cancer are possible from immune system malfunction. Even sudden death from weirder immune responses, which have claimed almost 2000 lives so far from the vaccine.

Understand, but this is why I thought it was a possibility based on the below research:

"The FDA confirms that the 1st vaccine dose correlates with increased COVID-19 infections. "Suspected COVID-19 cases that occurred within 7 days after any vaccination were 409 in the vaccine group vs 287 in the placebo group." This data comes from Pfizer itself. See p 42 of https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download

My wife's aunt has severe MS and got the jab - she's fucked up and required a lot of extra care by her grandmother and son. I'm not sure if she went to the hospital, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Jeebus. I've never seen so much consipiracy theory. Yeah, it might cross your mind, but what does occams razor say? If anything, it will be unintended consequences, rather than any kind of malice that has any kind of side effects. FYI, I got the jab yesterday. Over 40. First jab. slightly sore shoulder.. nothing else.

There IS always a small % chance that anything you do, including this vaccine, will fuck you up. But there is also a small chance that Covid , even if you are a healthy adult under 55, will give you long term side effects. So if you do, or if you don't, you are taking a risk. The mRNA doesn't self replicate, so to me that risk is lower.. the virus does self replicate... and may also mutate. But like I said, both risks are small, so no idea why people are trying to conspiracy theory this shit and pump up the risk assesment?

If you are worried, try talking to yourself logically. Answer out loud to yourself.. I think the risk that the vaccine will fuck me up is... 1% .. 10% .. 50% ? And yes, it is an "experimental biological". 100 million people have "got the jab" so far. How many cases of death or complication are you hearing about?

I'm not telling you you should get the vaccine. I'm telling you to think for yourself. Same reason you aren't worried about "missing out on housing" and the reason you are here on patrick.net. I get that we are seeing other "conspiracies" with the country's finances. But I'm still convinced, it's not a "conspiracy" as much as selective ignorance, and a lack of empathy for people they are responsible to but don't know personally. And yes, that's dangerous, but it's not really misanthropic. The statement we joke about is literally, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

Zak says

I'm not telling you you should get the vaccine. I'm telling you to think for yourself.

I am.

Please tell me why we need a vaccine for something with a 99.9+% survival rate.

If a mrna vaccine for SARS couldn't be completed because it was deemed "too dangerous" - and 100% of animals it was tested on died, why the fuck would anyone inject THIS particular shit into themselves - which hasn't even been tested on animals? https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/99d35b02-a5cb-41e6-ad80-a070f8a5ee17/SMDwhitepaper.pdf

Someone “dislikes” that I got the shot.
He doesn’t understand that it’s my decision and I’m ready to accept the consequences for it.
Either way, I am not harming anyone, it’s not like speeding or drunk driving.

Just ran into my neighbor who got the 2nd shot last week. She's in her early 70's.

Always a vibrant, fun lady to talk to. She looked like hell. Skin was discolored, appeared lethargic and something seemed off.

clambo says

Someone “dislikes” that I got the shot.
He doesn’t understand that it’s my decision and I’m ready to accept the consequences for it.
Either way, I am not harming anyone, it’s not like speeding or drunk driving.

You’re absolutely right. It is your choice and even we who think it’s a poor choice should respect your agency to decide for yourself.

I wish people understood biology, viruses and diseases better, but they don't. I am in awe that they allow themselves to be lemminged into being human experiments, with no upside except faith in official entities that have already belittled, deceived and abused them.

It's not something that I can control, but it's also something I don't enjoy watching.

Surprised?

Just got a text from a fried minutes ago. Got the 2nd poke. She's happy but nervous. Word is getting out about side effects. And for that reason, I'm out. Even sent a picture of her "vaccine" card. lol. WTF have humans become?

WookieMan says

Just got a text from a fried minutes ago. Got the 2nd poke. She's happy but nervous. Word is getting out about side effects. And for that reason, I'm out. Even sent a picture of her "vaccine" card. lol. WTF have humans become?

Yep.

There's a ton of related vax side effect content out there on forums though - which is easy to find right now. Ultimately, it's one massive ass experiment. If I were to even remotely consider getting one, it wouldn't be for another 5-10 years lol.

You can keep your fucking passport.

I found the FB group. Here's a few..



"My friend is a 50yr old male with no underlying health conditions who’s had the Astra Zeneca vaccine. He’s currently in hospital as has suffered an adverse reaction to it. This is his own words:

“They tell me that over active antibodies have killed off all of my blood platelet cells. These are essential for enabling blood to clot. Whatever was put through the tube last night was designed to flush away the rogue antibodies. If this has been successful they will then build back up my platelet count. If I start bleeding anywhere now then it won't stop”"

This is what happened to my neighbors face... I was like wtf is wrong with it... Here is the perfect example.

What's the best answer for coworkers and neighbors asking if you got or when are you going to get vaccinated!

Blue says

What's the best answer for coworkers and neighbors asking if you got or when are you going to get vaccinated!

Just show them your death certificate.

Here's the group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/allvaccinesarefake

Blue says

What's the best answer for coworkers and neighbors asking if you got or when are you going to get vaccinated!

No.

from: https://www.mlb.com/giants/news/giants-oracle-park-fan-health-and-safety-guidelines

"In order to gain entry, all fans 12 years or older will be required to take a COVID-19 test with negative results or provide proof of a full COVID-19 vaccination."

We can expect more of this sort of thing.

Blue says

What's the best answer for coworkers and neighbors asking if you got or when are you going to get vaccinated!

Sometimes I think of forging a vaccination card, but not being honest enables the people pushing this crap.

What I do say is it is an experimental biologic agent whose human trials will be complete in 2023. In the mean time I will take my chances with a cold.

If it is ever proven safe and effective I still won't get it. There are many effective treatments for the cold that don't involve gene therapy.

B.A.C.A.H. says

"In order to gain entry, all fans 12 years or older will be required to take a COVID-19 test with negative results or provide proof of a full COVID-19 vaccination."

We can expect more of this sort of thing.

It's been going on for a while. I know I piss you off with my travel talk, but it's my jam/hobby.

Puerto Rico and St. Thomas have been doing it for quite some time now. My biggest concern is the vaccination for entry that is starting to creep in, not just a negative test. My health insurance covers it, so I'll go to a CVS and rub the swab on my balls and get a negative test to travel.

I'm hoping private businesses blow it off and don't cave to the vocal minority. Sports teams kind of have to after losing an entire season of revenue from tickets, parking and concessions in stadium. Opening day here in Chicago and Wrigley is at 10k ticketed fans. It's usually a sell out EVERY year even if they suck, which they mostly do.

Which brings me back to one of the horses I beat. Tax revenue is massively lower. There's going to be more money printing for muni's that are broke and weren't responsible in the first place. I may be hyperbolic, but by the end of the Biden admin I think the national debt will be north of $50T. Bold claim, but we have massive structural problems.

Blue says

What's the best answer for coworkers and neighbors asking if you got or when are you going to get vaccinated!

"I prefer not to discuss my medical issues with anyone except my doctor".

"Please tell me why we need a vaccine for something with a 99.9+% survival rate."

The flu has a higher survival rate. I still get a flu shot. And that's only like 25% effective due to how many strains of the flu there are each year.

Why?
Well first, getting the flu sucks. It knocks me on my ass for up to a week sometimes. But to be fair, I only get the flu probably every 2-3 years... so probably only 10-15 times so far over the course of my life. And I don't mean just getting sick = the flu. No.

From what I understand, Covid can be flu-like for some, and for others it can knock you on your ass. However, it IS spreading like literal wildfire. That means mutations and potentially different side effects and immunities. If you are vaccinated.. and if LOTS of us are vaccinated... that cuts down on the ability of the virus to mutate. You agree, right? It's simple math. You can show this with literal 4th grade multiplication.

Now, as to the risk side.. right here in this thread, I see people quoting that the vaccine has a 12x death rate as compared to the virus. LOL! Yeah, so 100 million people have gotten the jab, and its seeming like about 20% of the population has been infected, or 70 million. Yet here Josh is posting stories that claim a 12x death rate from the vaccine.. Like.. what!?!? a 12x death rate would mean we see 6 million people dead from the vaccine. That's literally what the news "story" posting says. Can you not see through that bullshit?!? I think we might know if 6 million people were dead from the vaccine...

So take a step back. Something is wrong with your risk analysis when you are posting stories that are clearly propoganda like that. What is going on that you are buying these outlandish risk claims...

Also, I get that anecdotal stories can be scary... "Mom got the jab, 4 days later shes dead." But did you know... statistically speaking, a bunch of people have died driving to or from getting their vaccine. Is that because of the vaccine also? Everything is a risk. Anecdotal stories can really suck. But what is the real risk?

Don't get me wrong. I ask these same questions with the stupid public health policies we are putting in place. Lockdowns as implemented are moronic. There is a definite risk profile of who we have seen getting severe side effects or death, so those people should be warned to isolate, the rest of us should take precautions that have a shown efficacy, but we should generally go about our business without shutting down businesses. The stupidest thing I have seen yet is outdoor camping in the desert shut down.

And it is a true fact that suicides are up BECAUSE of the lockdown. I'm not sure what the % is per age range vs covid mortality though, but I also haven't seen a single point of data on how the actions we are taking are affecting the mortality rate "are restrictions working?". Despite all of this public policy stupidity, the vaccine makes sense.

Zak says

Also, I get that anecdotal stories can be scary... "Mom got the jab, 4 days later shes dead." But did you know... statistically speaking, a bunch of people have died driving to or from getting their vaccine. Is that because of the vaccine also?

The same can be applied to all the Covid death anecdotes, no?

WookieMan says

but by the end of the Biden admin I think the national debt will be north of $50T. Bold claim, but we have massive structural problems.

$60T, It has doubled with every president.

WookieMan says

Sports teams kind of have to after losing an entire season of revenue from tickets, parking and concessions in stadium. Opening day here in Chicago and Wrigley is at 10k ticketed fans. It's usually a sell out EVERY year even if they suck, which they mostly do.

Speaking of sportsball, looks like the NFL has extended their season from 16 to 17 games. Wonder why that could be...

@Onvacation: "If it is ever proven safe and effective I still won't get it. "

So this doesn't make a lot of sense to me. BUT I do respect that you have the RIGHT to not be forced to take a medication. And I think that should mean government can't do anything other than screen for actual sickness at any public facility like an airport or courtroom, or city hall, or public school. Public facilities should be constitutionally barred from denying any access based on a vaccine requirement. I think the same should be the case for public schools, even if parents want to be stupid about not getting their kids vaccinated.

That said, I honestly think that it's really too bad that even with a healthy mistrust of government, you can't see the benefit both short and long term of participating. Not for any kind of social cohesion or political bullshit either. The first people getting the polio vaccine were probably also pretty scared. And there have been some other medical missteps along the way causing birth defects, etc... I totally get that. And you only get one life.. I get that too.

In some ways, I guess it's kind of like laser eye surgery. You have the risk of going blind. But you can do 1 eye at a time (Still a risk of both eyes blindness). You literally could die from it in some remote possibility (but I'm sure there is 1 anecdote somewhere). And you could have a negative outcome like dry eyes or blurry vision. But you also have the opportunity to make your life better with a pretty low risk.

I guess its also like car insurance. Most people never have a significant car accident. But we all pretty much benefit from everyone having car insurance. And it's cool. We still reserve the right to people to walk or bicycle or even ride a horse to get around without buying car insurance. And we all still get in cars and ride around despite the fact that a lot of people die because of it.

Zak says

@Onvacation: "If it is ever proven safe and effective I still won't get it. "

So this doesn't make a lot of sense to me

Because I am not afraid of the flu or cold. I am healthy, I eat fairly well, I exercise regularly and I have a strong immune system. Need I say more?

If the disease probability was worse than the experimental biologic agent possibilities I might get it. But it is not.

Zak says

In some ways, I guess it's kind of like laser eye surgery. You have the risk of going blind. But you can do 1 eye at a time (Still a risk of both eyes blindness). You literally could die from it in some remote possibility (but I'm sure there is 1 anecdote somewhere). And you could have a negative outcome like dry eyes or blurry vision. But you also have the opportunity to make your life better with a pretty low risk.

Great analogy. You have a minor inconvenience of wearing glasses on one hand and some non-zero risk of going blind on the other. Some people won't put themselves in a situation of non-zero risk of major life-changing event in order to get rid of some minor inconvenience. The downside is too big for some even if not very probable.

Zak says

even if parents want to be stupid about not getting their kids vaccinated.

Would you give your children an experimental biologic agent? It's not a vaccine.

Zak says

That said, I honestly think that it's really too bad that even with a healthy mistrust of government, you can't see the benefit both short and long term of participating. Not for any kind of social cohesion or political bullshit either.

OK I'll bite.
Give me one short term and one long term benefit of taking an experimental biologic agent?

Zak says

And we all still get in cars and ride around despite the fact that a lot of people die because of it.

A lot more than die from the Wuhan.

Your body your choice.

Zak says

the vaccine makes sense.

But it's not a vaccine. What do you mean by "makes sense"?

https://www.ibtimes.com/who-gregory-michael-doctor-dead-after-covid-vaccine-wife-says-it-destroyed-beautiful-3116594?fbclid=IwAR0hLzba5T9k3D6soVIW3KQLxfgTPYQuaV4AqEK2kY0wAVx13JTlWhTW2rE

I saw a You Tube video of an internist who was a pro-vaxxer, had videos promoting and he took it himself. He described very bad reaction to both first and second, second he wasn't able to do anything for three days, says he 'recovered' after about five. However, in 'post-vax' You Tube vid he looks like hammered shit and talks like he has the 'brain fog'. What's interesting, you can view his vids before he took the vax and see he was clearer, healthier, and much crisper in his speech and responses. I didn't download the site and can't remember his name.

Here's facebook's knee jerk fake news post on the vaccine complications site:

The vaccines aren't FDA approved yet.
They gave them emergency approval.