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I give up. I have 4 other siblings and 3 of them are vaxers and scared. I'm at my parents house right now to completely clean, fumigate and declutter from top to bottom before they get home from the hospital. Only 1 of my siblings will come help because the other 3, who are vaxed, are too scared to come here....even though my parents haven't been in here for a week. SMH

I didn't want to argue with my father. I told him he is his own best health advocate right after I asked him if he remembered what my feelings were about the vax.

Explain science to them; not "The Science" but SCIENCE.

I know it is futile. Sometime you just have to give your love and prayers and move on.

WineHorror1 says

I give up. I have 4 other siblings and 3 of them are vaxers and scared. I'm at my parents house right now to completely clean, fumigate and declutter from top to bottom before they get home from the hospital. Only 1 of my siblings will come help because the other 3, who are vaxed, are too scared to come here....even though my parents haven't been in here for a week. SMH

I didn't want to argue with my father. I told him he is his own best health advocate right after I asked him if he remembered what my feelings were about the vax.

Send them these to read:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-no-infection-parties

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-27/previous-covid-prevents-delta-infection-better-than-pfizer-shot

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

Does anyone have any studies or sources that suggest the vaccines can actually hurt natural immunity? I swear I read or saw something that the 2nd dose of an mRNA vaccine could be harmful to the immunity of those already infected.

Seems as predicted they are co-mingling vaccine morbidity and calling it Covid causality, in the best compromise to promote the agenda. It is at hazard of making the vaccines appear ineffective if not inductive, but that's OK, there are a lot more lies in the quiver.

porkchopexpress says

Send them these to read:

They won't read it. Wine is outnumbered. Family situations are tricky. If 3 of 4 siblings are vaccinated, it's a done deal most likely. I'd say 95% chance they get vaccinated. Peer pressure and familial pressure is legit. Sometimes it's not worth the fight even if there's a negative outcome.

If something negative happens with vaccination, the key is to not do the "I told ya so" moment. Let them soak it in and they generally should realize their mistake. I have 4 sister in laws and plenty of drama. One BIL committed suicide. She just gave birth at 37 to a baby that dad has no interest in. My other SIL has 6 DUI's with 4 convictions and we now how my nephew. Another one is 30 and was bitching that mom didn't pay her cell phone bill before I dropped her off at O'hare so her husband could play a professional sport. The final sister in law is stealing from my dead father in laws former business. Mom's an alcoholic and pill popper.

Family is a blast... lol. I've managed some shitty situations. Some managed well, some not well. Your best bet is to let family figure it out if you're not the cause of the issue. Basically stay out of it if you disagree. Money, health, spouses, etc. Not your problem. You cannot control other people, especially when there's a consensus against your point of view.

WineHorror1 says

Just got off the phone with my 83 year old father. He's sure he's beaten Covid and now he's going to take the vaccine.

It means that you will be getting your inheritance sooner.

WineHorror1 says

Just got off the phone with my 83 year old father. He's sure he's beaten Covid and now he's going to take the vaccine.

Oh my god, no!

Look, people that survived small pox and polio didn't need to get a vaccine.

There is literally no upside to getting the vaccine and there's ONLY a possibility of downside. Please remind him of that. He knows.

General Washington use troops that had previously had small pox to go into Boston because there was a smallpox pandemic there at the time.

https://www.history.com/news/smallpox-george-washington-revolutionary-war

Patrick says

Every business owner collaborating with the fascists is a collaborator.

People won't forget or forgive collaboration with attempts to inject them with something they really do not want injected.

THAT is a good point. At this point I’m ready to fucking BITE someone who tells me I must get the jab. They might as well brandish a gun at me and start counting down from ten. You won’t be my friend ever again if you take that position. You will be my sworn enemy for fucking life.

WineHorror1 says

I give up. I have 4 other siblings and 3 of them are vaxers and scared.

Sounds like you have my problem. A lot of stupid runs in the family.

Shaman says

WineHorror1 says

I give up. I have 4 other siblings and 3 of them are vaxers and scared.

Sounds like you have my problem. A lot of stupid runs in the family.

Everyone has some form of the problem. I've learned to just shut up and help where I can. Karma so to speak. I can't stand any of my sister in laws. Mother in law showed up drunk with my kids and nephew this afternoon... she drove them after an overnight at her place. Last time...

4 Sisters total. Only one is tolerable for more than a day or two. She doesn't pay her own cell phone bill or car insurance at 30 years old. Her husband plays professional sports and gets paid okay. Sorry, don't want to dox myself too much and say the sport.

My wife is the oldest and by a long shot most successful out of the 5 girls. Jealousy is brutal within families. A fuck ton of darts and digs are thrown our way. We've learned it's part of the game. Wish it wasn't, but you can't let it upset you. If they were smarter, they'd be doing better than you and you'd respect their opinion more. They're idiots. Mom has zero family leadership skills and is an alcoholic. Get togethers almost certainly result in a blow up of some sort.

My lesson is just let them be stupid and keep your mouth shut. You aren't going to change stupid. You're not even going to change average.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Putin has said he does not support vaccine mandates. This has to reinforce the Resistance....I mean the Vaccine Zealot's resolve to vaccinate every living creature.

WookieMan says

Get togethers almost certainly result in a blow up of some sort.

I can help with this.

You should never take personal insult from somebody you don't think is correct. As a result, you should ignore it when anybody is calling your stupid, crazy, moronic, dumb, etc unless you suspect they are correct. You don't need to defend yourself against such "criticism".

Likewise, you never call anybody stupid, crazy, moronic, or dumb. Only evaluate their position, and ask them for their reasoning and explain your reasoning that you followed to come to your conclusion. Do not be upset when somebody who has insulted you is correct and you are wrong. When somebody points out an error in your reasoning or logic, they have done you a favor.

People, very incorrectly, believe that accepting they are wrong is a sign of weakness. It's the opposite. As you learn to accept your errors, over and over again, eventually, you rarely make errors in logic and reasoning.

The only time I get angry with somebody in a discussion is if I believe they are expressing an opinion, they don't actually hold. They are trying to misinform me either actively, or unconsciously. Essentially, they are drawing me into a conversation to simply waste my time.

porkchopexpress says

Does anyone have any studies or sources that suggest the vaccines can actually hurt natural immunity? I swear I read or saw something that the 2nd dose of an mRNA vaccine could be harmful to the immunity of those already infected.

@porkchopexpress Yes, I've seen that several times now in scientific papers.

It would be some work to find the URLs for them, but the scientists are saying this.

I'm pretty sure Geert Vanden Bossche talks about how the vaxx lowers your "innate immunity" but I have a hard time understanding the immunology:

https://37b32f5a-6ed9-4d6d-b3e1-5ec648ad9ed9.filesusr.com/ugd/28d8fe_266039aeb27a4465988c37adec9cd1dc.pdf

Robert Sproul says

Putin has said he does not support vaccine mandates

Yes, several sources claim this while also shrieking at what a horrible idea it is to let people make their own medical decisions.

So I'm pretty damn sure it's true. Vlad is not pro-mandates.

Patrick says

can actually hurt natural immunity

As Alex "Banned" Berenson discusses in this article https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/insanity-in-vietnam "some short-term vaccine-driven suppression of the immune system" is likely.
So you get a few weeks of enhanced susceptibility, then a few months at most of some limited protections, all for the price of some significant short term risk and completely unknowable long term risks. What a deal.

@Jimmy_Jeans
3h
Replying to @RWMaloneMD
New Covid Pre-print:
Drs Ioannidis & Axfors at Stanford

Age Infection Survival Rate
0-19 99.9973%
20-29 99.986%
30-39 99.969%
40-49 99.918%
50-59 99.73%
60-69 99.41%
70+ 97.6% (non-inst.)
70+ 94.5% (all)

https://twitter.com/Jimmy_Jeans/status/1432167093999480841#m

Israelis lab ratting their people again:

https://t.me/FirstAmendmentPraetorian/3947

Wo

https://www.theepochtimes.com/pfizer-board-member-natural-immunity-against-covid-needs-to-be-included-in-policy-discussions_3971383.html?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net

porkchopexpress says

Wo

https://www.theepochtimes.com/pfizer-board-member-natural-immunity-against-covid-needs-to-be-included-in-policy-discussions_3971383.html?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net

Pfizer Board Member: ‘Natural Immunity’ Against COVID-19 Needs to Be Included in Policy Discussions
By Jack Phillips August 30, 2021

Former Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Scott Gottlieb, who is also a Pfizer board member, noted that “natural immunity” gained from a prior COVID-19 infection needs to be included in discussions about virus-related policies and mandates.

This is the first time any former FDA official has said anything other than EVERY HUMAN MUST BE JABBED OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND THE MONEY MUST GO TO MY COMPANY.

Note his whopping conflict of interest in going from the FDA to Pfizer. This is corruption turned up to 11, and out in the open.

But it's a promising development that he mumbled this.

Science coming in; The "vaccine" does less than NOTHING to improve all cause mortality.

"US COVID-19 Vaccines Proven to Cause More Harm than Good Based on Pivotal Clinical Trial Data Analyzed Using the Proper Scientific Endpoint, “All Cause Severe Morbidity”"
https://www.scivisionpub.com/pdfs/us-covid19-vaccines-proven-to-cause-more-harm-than-good-based-on-pivotal-clinical-trial-data-analyzed-using-the-proper-scientific--1811.pdf

(not that it matters, like masks and lock-downs)

This has been obvious since March/April this year. I hate people that shit on anecdotal evidence, but it does matter. Even one case of a vaccinated person testing positive tosses out everything. WTF are you taking if it doesn't work? I'm not even talking adverse events. I'm talking getting infected again. What was the point? Now throw in adverse events and again, what the fucking point of taking it.

For those that have, my intention isn't to make you feel bad, but what was the fucking point? You had zero clue and same with the medical community. They'd be fired from their jobs. Fauci needs to be in jail at minimum and frankly hanged from the town square (not suggesting anyone do this, only if through legal means). I think we're unraveling and Biden at the helm isn't helping.

WookieMan says

I think we're unraveling and Biden at the helm isn't helping.

This is a test if you haven't realized it.

Either we become slaves, or we regain our freedom pretty soon.

I am personally glad that one of the most disgusting, vile, incompetent, corrupt, dishonest, warmongering people of the DNC is "president". He's a white, presumably entirely heterosexual, male - so any criticism can't be deflected as "oh you're racist, oh you hate women" or any of that nonsense.

This pathetic, senile, puppet is the PERFECT person to be "president" at this time.

Oh, and the cherry on top, he's supposedly the most popular presidential candidate in all of US history. Largest percentage of the eligible vote ever. We couldn't have a better setup on this chess board.

12 cops versus one brave, unmasked woman.

https://distincttoday.net/2021/08/31/coronavirus-australia-furious-protester-is-crash-tackled-by-cops-in-sydneys-bankstown/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9943015/Coronavirus-Australia-Furious-protester-crash-tackled-cops-Sydneys-Bankstown.html

Here's the video - shocking. Found instantly with qwant while gulag censores it.

The most "liberal" are by far the most fascist.

mell says

Here's the video - shocking. Found instantly with qwant while gulag censores it.

Best bet is to ignore and nod IF you interact at all I've found. I haven't gotten to the level of pretending to be deaf, but it's work so far in the rare circumstances it has happened. If I have to go full retard and talk like I'm deaf I will. Just nodding and walking by the person, even in a store tends to work. I'm generally not in masked stores though.

WookieMan says

mell says

Here's the video - shocking. Found instantly with qwant while gulag censores it.

Best bet is to ignore and nod IF you interact at all I've found. I haven't gotten to the level of pretending to be deaf, but it's work so far in the rare circumstances it has happened. If I have to go full retard and talk like I'm deaf I will. Just nodding and walking by the person, even in a store tends to work. I'm generally not in masked stores though.

Responding in some obscure foreign language works too. If you don't speak any obscure foreign languages - speak in tongues. =))

Thank Effing Gawd. We don't have to worry about being vax refugees fleeing the state for a bit. Maybe publishing the phone numbers of all those miscreant Soros fecal impaction California pols worked. They have to stop the screaming hatred 24/24.
At least a reprieve for a few months. Hopefully, by that time, the vax horror will be so apparent they can't continue to impose it. Also, the Airforce Academy, who previously said that the cadets who did not report for vax yesterday would be expelled, relented also. Did they get word that they were going to lose a substantial portion of their student body?

Ceffer says

Thank Effing Gawd. We don't have to worry about being vax refugees fleeing the state for a bit.

Just for a bit.

I'm going to start an anti-mandate email newsletter to be ready for the next attempt.

Patrick says

Just for a bit.

I'm going to start an anti-mandate email newsletter to be ready for the next attempt.

Likely the ONLY reason was that they don't want to cause more rage and hate against Newsom for the recall election, so they will table it for now. It also shows they know full well that what they are doing is criminal and wrong.

Right, so it makes sense to get the anti-mandate movement going even stronger right now.

Ultimately, we need the death penalty for all government and "public health" officials, employers, and university presidents who mandate injections. It's that huge a violation of human rights. It is truly a crime against humanity.

Indoor masks are back here in IL. No one cares if you don't wear it though. It's getting comical at this point. Prickzker has no authority. Everyone hates him. Employees won't enforce the dumb ass "mandate" or whatever. You usually get a nod of agreement from them. If I see you wearing a mask I look at you as if you're a walking piece of shit. Didn't know shit could walk.

WookieMan says

Indoor masks are back here in IL. No one cares if you don't wear it though.

That's fine for adults walking into bars or stores. But what is happening with the kids in schools in Illinois?

HeadSet says

WookieMan says

Indoor masks are back here in IL. No one cares if you don't wear it though.

That's fine for adults walking into bars or stores. But what is happening with the kids in schools in Illinois?

It's shit. I'm not homeschooling though. Kids have to wear them. At least they stopped in during sports. They get breaks during the day. Fucking joke.

I know I sound compliant, but I'm not. I've got ears on the school board, but Prickzker has made it so you literally cannot graduate high school if you don't wear a mask. I'd like to say some things illegal, but I'll hold back.

WookieMan says

Prickzker has made it so you literally cannot graduate high school if you don't wear a mask.

It is like the politicians are practicing to become despots. And I have to deal with a farm team despot college president who has held my daughter's final year hostage to taking the jab. And even though the college president said no masks after the jabs, masks suddenly became required right after the tuition due date, vaxxed or not.