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MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

farmer2021 says

You make no sense.
You are telling that "Whites" expelled each other in the Europe to become more stable.. and in the US "whiteness" unified them.
How about uniting force called "Proud Americans"... Immigrant are more proud than Your commie whites, who you said unified.

Yes. Big difference in taking Western Europeans across the Ocean and having them center a "White" identity around Anglo-Saxon Culture, and trying to force minorities in their indigenous location to be part of a larger country that has traditionally warred with them.

It's taken 1000+ years for France to purge Occitan, Norman, Breton, etc. culture and language in favor of Cosmopolitan Parisian-Orleans French culture and language. And it's still not done. Cornish and Welsh were everyday, spoken at home languages in England a few centuries a go, no need to learn to speak them starting at school.
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Punjab should go nowhere. It is integral part of Bharat, so is Pakistan and Bangladesh and all should together make one big union.
Hindoo's agents Khalistanis promote separatism not the "Khalsa".
Khalsa should bring "rule of law and equality" to whole Bharat and overcome the divide based on castes, religions etc.
There should be federal system in Bharat with little power to "feds" beyond military and foreign affairs.

Sikhs now or never will support "Genocide" as you are promoting.
Sikhs can live in peace with anyone as equals and they will fight till equality is restored and they will end up victorious every time as "Normal" human being like equality not genocide.

farmer2021 says

Sikhs now or never will support "Genocide" as you are promoting.

Genocide is extermination. Ethnic Cleansing is moving people around.

If Sikhs want an independent state, it means they don't get to work in India without a visa like any other foreigner.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

farmer2021 says

Sikhs now or never will support "Genocide" as you are promoting.

Genocide is extermination. Ethnic Cleansing is moving people around.

If Sikhs want an independent state, it means they don't get to work in India without a visa like any other foreigner.

No Sikhs don't need separate country.
Sikhs should unite the whole subcontinent into some kind of union with very strong local rights.
Here is what Khalsa say:
"Treat whole human race as one".
Separatism is foreign to Sikh faith and we do need protection for our heritage and culture and we can do this by making Bharat a locally governed union.

Genocide is extermination. Ethnic Cleansing is moving people around. Sorry not need another moving stuff.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India
Deaths 200,000 to 2 million deaths[1][a]
10 to 20 million displaced

farmer2021 says

"Treat whole human race as one".

No. Then we'd all have Shar'ia law. Democracy is reduced when the country is larger and easier for corporations to dominate. REAL Federalism it's whats needed. The Federal Government of the US should have 80% of it's current powers eliminated. Starting with popular election of Senators and a total ban on Intrastate Commerce laws.

No world government, and end superstates. Only loose confederacies at best.

Decentralization is the future, and it'll be even better once we start colonizing the solar system. Central Government would be impossible then.

farmer2021 says

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India
Deaths 200,000 to 2 million deaths[1][a]

And how many thousands die a year in Pakistan and India due to ethnic/religious/caste rioting, plus all the corruption of having multiple ethno-religious parties?

richwicks says

Palestinians are fucked, they ought to just accept it.

I think they fucked themselves to a large degree with their deliberate murders of random unarmed civilians, over and over and over.

They are idiots at playing the PR game, while the Israelis are experts.

farmer2021 says

Punjab should go nowhere. It is integral part of Bharat, so is Pakistan and Bangladesh and all should together make one big union.

1971 Bangladesh Genocide by Paki Army is the #1 Genocide since Stalin passed away. Worse than Pol Pot, even.

Millions dead in a few months. Heavy assistance from the Muslim Parties of Pakistan like Jaamat-i-Islam who formed huge militias to carry out the killings, brought over on Pakistani Navy boats to Bangladesh. General Agha Mohammed Yahya Khan is the greatest butcher since Beria & Stalin,.

No surprise when you see the atrocities committed by Paki Peacekeepers in the UN. Everywhere they go, they leave a trail of mafia-style murders and raped children.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

farmer2021 says

"Treat whole human race as one".

No. Then we'd all have Shar'ia law. Democracy is reduced when the country is larger and easier for corporations to dominate.

No world government, and end superstates. Only loose confederacies at best.

Decentralization is the future, and it'll be even better once we start colonizing the solar system. Central Government would be impossible then.

farmer2021 says

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India
Deaths 200,000 to 2 million deaths[1][a]

And how many thousands die a year in Pakistan and India due to ethnic/religious/caste rioting, plus all the corruption of having multiple ethno-religious parties?

It doesn't matter how many divisions you get.
You need unifying force like "Khalsa" which treats everyone equal.

If you remain divisive:
Muslims will be fighting Shia, Sunni, Ahmadiyas and sufis.
Hindu will have linguistic and caste fights.

Tolerance,equality and rule of law only can achieve peace... not divisions.
Howz it working for separated Jews/Palestinians?

In fact we need "Khalsa Raj" in whole world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raj_Karega_Khalsa

farmer2021 says

It doesn't matter how many divisions you get.
You need unifying force like "Khalsa" which treats everyone equal.

No. No more universal BS. Real diversity.

farmer2021 says

Howz it working for separated Jews/Palestinians?

The answer is more separation. In fact, if all the UN did was consider Palestinians to be Refugees like every other Refugee group, it would have been over 40 years ago. The problem is that Palestinians are NOT treated like Hutus, Tutsi, or Bosnians, but a special class of permanent refugees no matter how much property, jobs, or citizenship/residencies they have all over the world from Lebanon to London to Detroit and Abu Dhabi.

The moment any refugee gets a job and a green card/equivalent anywhere else, they are taken off the refugee rolls. But unlike 99% of humanity, Palestinians and Palestinians alone under special rights can dwell for 3 generations in Kalamazoo or Kuwait, own 2 stores in Beirut and 3 apartments in Brooklyn, and have another citizenship and townhouse in Amman and Aarhus on top of it all, but still draw benefits and count as Refugees.

Palestinians are a huge warning about importing large numbers of Guest Workers into a state.

Monocultural States are a great blessing to the world: They have higher trust, lower corruption, and better standards of living than "Diverse" Societies. Denmark, Iceland, even Korea... much better off than Brazil, India, etc. And you see the "Blessings of Diversity" in Muslim Colonized France and Sweden, whereas 30-40 years ago before the influx, there were none of the hue problems they have now.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

farmer2021 says

It doesn't matter how many divisions you get.
You need unifying force like "Khalsa" which treats everyone equal.

No. No more universal BS. Real diversity.

farmer2021 says

Howz it working for separated Jews/Palestinians?

The answer is more separation. In fact, if all the UN did was consider Palestinians to be Refugees like every other Refugee group, it would have been over 40 years ago. The problem is that Palestinians are NOT treated like Hutus, Tutsi, or Bosnians, but a special class of permanent refugees no matter how much property, jobs, or citizenship/residencies they have all over the world from Lebanon to London to Detroit and Abu Dhabi.

The moment any refugee gets a job and a green card/equivalent anywhere else, they are taken off the refugee rolls. But unl...

Not really. You can cause division and unity anywhere.
Red/Blue state segregation is great divisive tactic in US.

Give more chance to divisive forces there will be demand like Quebec for every ethnicity.
I prefer my country to be “United States” with federal structure continually enforced.

farmer2021 says

Not really. You can cause division and unity anywhere.
Red/Blue state segregation is great divisive tactic in US.

Give more chance to divisive forces there will be demand like Quebec for every ethnicity.
I prefer my country to be “United States” with federal structure continually enforced.

I'd say let a 1000 flowers bloom. And all power to the Quebecois for telling Ottowa to shove non-Francophone immigrants up their Toronto.

Thank goodness for DeSantis and the remaining vestiges of State's Rights.

I'm off to Publix maskless to get my Italian Sub with extra black olives.

BACK TO THE OP: It was a Mostly Peaceful Airstrike. I'm sure both organizations have property insurance..



Pace rings a bell with me... stand by.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

farmer2021 says

Not really. You can cause division and unity anywhere.
Red/Blue state segregation is great divisive tactic in US.

Give more chance to divisive forces there will be demand like Quebec for every ethnicity.
I prefer my country to be “United States” with federal structure continually enforced.

I'd say let a 1000 flowers bloom. And all power to the Quebecois for telling Ottowa to shove non-Francophone immigrants up their Toronto.

Thank goodness for DeSantis and the remaining vestiges of State's Rights.

I'm off to Publix maskless to get my Italian Sub with extra black olives.

That is asking for Anarchy.
CCP will love this thinking. They already love dealing with tiny African states or Bharat's neighbors.

Let China/Russia break first and dispose of their nuclear arsenal. After that we can think about US.
On the other hand I am with you on look out for improving "states's sovereignty" as much as it is practically possible to strengthen federal structure.

Also I do support:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cal_3

This is too much:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Californias

There's a bit of an "Israeli mafia" of immigrants from there in Silicon Valley. I've crossed with lots of these folks over the years. Every one of them is a veteran of the IDF, including the women. Many of them are brilliant, talented, and (deservedly, by merit) land in leadership roles.

I've seen these folks work hand in hand, side by side with Muslim immigrants, including Arabs, and even including an occasional Palestinian. You guys will freak at the banality of it.

I would encourage you guys who think you know so much about that conflict to travel there as I did in the 1990's, independently. Criss-cross the border like I did, in a sherut full of Arabs, in taxis, on one of the Egged (Israeli) buses that connects settlements to Jerusalem. Meet and talk with people on both sides of the conflict as I did, and then come back here to share your views.

Everybody who has been there knows that most Palestinians are fine with Israel, but because of the (Can't Remember the Damn Name, starts with H?) Effect, they can't say shit.

The PLO and Hamas is a mafia that executes dissenters, and the "Human Rights Activists" studiously ignore the mysterious disappearances, tortures, and deaths of any Palestinian who speaks out about corruption.



There are dozens of people in Ramallah Prisons right now for daring to protest PLO Corruption. All Israeli Agents, of course.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Everybody who has been there knows that most Palestinians are fine with Israel, but because of the (Can't Remember the Damn Name, starts with H?) Effect, they can't say shit.

The PLO and Hamas is a mafia that executes dissenters, and the "Human Rights Activists" studiously ignore the mysterious disappearances, tortures, and deaths of any Palestinian who speaks out about corruption.

There are dozens of people in Ramallah Prisons right now for daring to protest PLO Corruption. All Israeli Agents, of course.

I have worked with both. People are always fine.. We have same flesh and bones.
Here is the guy exposing Hamas and UN conflict wanters are not visible happy at truth.
Netanyahu is also using conflict to keep his corrupt ass attached to chair.
https://twitter.com/Dhee_Warrior/status/1393514451433840643

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBq5IH-pGvk

"You Armenian Ancient Apostolic Church of the Assyrians in Antioch Antinominan dogs! You failed to genuflect three times facing the North north west and hold the forth bow for 5 seconds. Also, you obey the Patriarch Theophanes XXXIV of Aleppo instead of the Patriarch Metaxes XXIII of Amavir! We of the Ancient Church of the Assyrian Antiochene Apostles hold the correct line! By the blood of Saint Agnes of the Amazing Astonishing Apparition, and in the name of our 500 monks, 5 bishops, 15 priests, 30 deacons, and 12 actual lay members none of whom is younger than 60, accept the 1256 Council of Edessa Doctrine and the Bull of the Patriarch of Cyprus of 1532 and REPENT! Forgot not the truth of the Perfect Pulverization of the Pentateuch as Postulated in Pergamum! You even deny the Ascension of Severus IX to the Patriarchate instead of John XXXIII, you Nestorian Bastard! I bet your mothers never honored Chrysostum of the Cross and that you can't read the Septuagent in Koine Greek, either!"

Seriously, the Eastern Churches are living proof Protestantism isn't necessary for sectarianism...

Patrick says

you see the "Blessings of Diversity" in Muslim Colonized France and Sweden, whereas 30-40 years ago before the influx, there were none of the hue problems they have now.

I think France's problems are partly rooted in their Imperial past. Algeria, central Africa, etc.

But not Sweden. Sheesh. Their problems are not a legacy from previous generations. They've brought it onto themselves.

B.A.C.A.H. says

I would encourage you guys who think you know so much about that conflict to travel there as I did in the 1990's, independently. Criss-cross the border like I did, in a sherut full of Arabs

I travelled in Israel and Egypt in the 80's. I found the Israelis to be crusty (OK, a lot of them are jerks, or do a convincing imitation thereof) but they were no threat to me.

I found the Muslim Palestinians to be bipolar: either you are their best friend ever, or they literally want to kill you and dance in your blood.

The Christian Palestinians (are there any left over there?) seemed much more Western and easy to get along with, though very clannish.

Sure, I'm overgeneralizing, but I really believe that there are some huge cultural differences between Israelis and Palestinians. I can't really see them getting along, ever.

Can we send a cruise missile to Reuters while we’re at it?

Tenpoundbass says

The Guardian is a rag that is well known to have fabricated every story they ever wrote about President Donald J. Trump. Do you have a valid form of proof?

Yes, the Guardian is a rag, but what I said is correct, the Al-Aqsa Mosque was attacked prior to this current violence and I just did a google search to find a source for it. I knew about it before the last current, stupid, war.

Patrick says

richwicks says

Palestinians are fucked, they ought to just accept it.

I think they fucked themselves to a large degree with their deliberate murders of random unarmed civilians, over and over and over.

Israel is no different. You're tricking yourself to argue about this based on moral righteousness.

I have said, multiple time, that the the goal of Israel is to take the entire West Bank over, and to eventually retake Gaza and there is ZERO attempt to have a two state solution. You'll see I'm correct in time. Israel will never stop expanding until they collapse. The Palestinians have no way to negotiate with Israel. Israel is a stronger militarily and has the backing of the United States, there is no attempt by Israel to come to a peaceful solution, they will take over the entire area, and are likely to expand into the Golan after that, and who knows where after that.

It's worse than that. The "Journalists" know Damn Well what they building they're "sharing" is being used for.

This is from 2014, Al-Arabiya network reporter jokes about a missile LAUNCH from the Gaza Office building she works in.

Human Shield crap.

Semites, never change your love of bargaining.

Owner of Office Building blasted the other day tries to get 10 more minutes to grab equipment from the building with the IDF.

Here is the English Translation. It's 2009, not 2014.

Al-Arabiya KNEW they were launching rockets from the building they were broadcasting from.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPDZYmcyzqA

Later that day, they were all "Bi la kaffeh, woe to us suffering Muslims, the Monkeys and Pigs attacked our innocent broadcasting office where we dindu nuttin'"

That's hilarious actually.

The Palestinians can move to any Arab country(s) the Israel can pay for their well settlements. The UN is the one who created a narrative that they're permanent victims and refugees. The f. UN is a terrorist organization that should be shutdown.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Yes. Big difference in taking Western Europeans across the Ocean and having them center a "White" identity around Anglo-Saxon Culture, and trying to force minorities in their indigenous location to be part of a larger country that has traditionally warred with them.

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I think the unifying force of the United States has always been a distrust of authority and a hatred of corruption, which is why I'm so appalled by the amount of propaganda that exists in the United States today, and how much utter and blatant corruption exists in our government.

Blue says

The Palestinians can move to any Arab country(s) the Israel can pay for their well settlements.

No they can't. Palestinians do not get citizenship in any neighboring Arab nation. Not Egypt, not Jordan, not Lebanon, not Syria.

Always been too lazy to look into the Isreal/Palestine conflict. Frankly... because who gives a shit? I have a somewhat basic understanding. But we're likely selling weapons to both sides or at least know that weapons we sell with end up there. We're talking about a postage stamp of land because of fictional characters (religion) on both sides. Who cares. They're always going to be killing each other for the foreseeable future.

When the fight is basically originated from fictional characters, neither side will ever win. Islam is toxic, but I'm of the opinion all religion is, even it can be argued one is less evil than the other. I'm all for staying out of others affairs (Libertarian) but at some point we need to just call a spade a spade. Religion is toxic. The conflict is basically about real estate, but it gets spun into religion and oppression. Nothing will ever truly get solved when you're not based in reality.

WookieMan says

Always been too lazy to look into the Isreal/Palestine conflict. Frankly... because who gives a shit?

What is happening now, is what I have always thought would happen. They would both cash a check their ass can't cash.
The conflict is escalating, and there aren't any nations willing to jump in and make a proxy war out of it.
I think it's way past time, they work out their conflict. I say let them duke it out, until the Citizens decide, they can get along with each other. But they can do without the leadership on both sides.

I'm just glad the UN Is irrelevant, and their conflict isn't the most important topic in world news and pollical agenda.

But if I were a gambling man, my money will be on the IDF.

Earlier in this post it was reported by the Guardian, that a couple Israelis, attacked a mosque on Ramadan, so the Commies over there at that rag, believes it justifies, the Palestinian mutts then have the right to rain hundreds of rockets on down on innocent civilians. Rather than figuring out who attacked the Mosque and dealing with them.
They are pure cowards, the world could do with out. After going on 6 years now with ANTIFA and BLM murdering, and burning down Cities, every time a cop in a "Democrat" stronghold City kills an armed fleeing black suspect.

I'm fucking fed up with the SJW shit, and damn sure have no tolerance for anyone that responds to being wrongs by a skin tone, or culture, so they take it out on everyone.

May this shit end once and for all, and may the AP executive board all hang by their necks for aiding and abeding it.

Patrick says

I travelled in Israel and Egypt in the 80's.

Thank you for sharing.

Tenpoundbass says

Earlier in this post it was reported by the Guardian, that a couple Israelis, attacked a mosque on Ramadan, so the Commies over there at that rag, believes it justifies, the Palestinian mutts then have the right to rain hundreds of rockets on down on innocent civilians.

You're over-estimating the number of rockets that the Palestinians have or use.

All the rockets do is give Israel carte blanche to fuck up Gaza which is what the Israeli government is constantly itching to do anyhow. I always ask "qui bono?"

The rockets from Gaza are just pathetic, pointless shows of resistance - maybe. There's no logical reason to make use of them if the government of Gaza really is working on the behalf of the people of Gaza, which I doubt.

Hamas used to be a sort of decent organization - they used to build schools when Fatah did nothing. Whoever is in power, is always useless, and never works on behalf of their constituents. It's true everywhere. Our government says that it's too expensive to build a wall between Mexico and the United States, but spending $700 billion on a war over nothing, with no mission or goal? Well, no problem funding that!

Biden gave the terrorist group Hamas $235 million dollars.

What did he think was going to happen.

Hamas looked for any reason to act as terrorists.

Trump cut the funding to Hamas, and without coin they were forced to be peaceful.

Thanks, Joe ! ! !

richwicks says

You're over-estimating the number of rockets that the Palestinians have or use.

The Israeli military says 1,600 rockets have been fired by Hamas, the biggest test for the Iron Dome, which works by firing its own projectiles to destroy the incoming rockets before they land.

The system can track only so many rockets at once. Despite the intensity of the latest barrage, the system appears to have held up.

The Associated Press reported that 400 rockets fell short and landed in Gaza, leaving Israel 1,200 to intercept.
https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-iron-dome-blocks-90-percent-rockets-hamas-gaza-2021-5?op=1

Of course, it's not a "Human Rights Violation" to have 400 fall back into Gaza.

Seriously, what country, besides maybe Sweden or Biden's America, would allow 1200 projectiles to be fired into it?

richwicks says

Blue says

The Palestinians can move to any Arab country(s) the Israel can pay for their well settlements.

No they can't. Palestinians do not get citizenship in any neighboring Arab nation. Not Egypt, not Jordan, not Lebanon, not Syria.

Partially US, EU and all Arab world are the real reasons behind the existence of Palestine to counter Israel. No Arab country likes them to give citizenship.

I always like to say that the Palestinians should simply convert to Judaism.

Voila, they can then become citizens of Israel, lol.

Patrick says

I always like to say that the Palestinians should simply convert to Judaism.

Voila, they can then become citizens of Israel, lol.

Israel doesn't recognize converts to Judaism. You have to be born into it. You're only considered Jewish if your maternal grandmother was Jewish.

They are a race for all intensive purposes inheriting it through the maternal bloodline.

There is no solution for the Palestinians. They cannot migrate away and become citizens of the neighboring countries, and they cannot integrate into the Israeli population, even if they are willing. They're fucked.