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Many here at patrick.net, including me, believe the vax is genocide and or an attempt to have CCP type social control.

Onvacation says

Many here at patrick.net, including me, believe the vax is genocide and or an attempt to have CCP type social control.

These are the only 4 reasons I can come up with.
1) a conditioning program
2) depopulation
3) simply to determine who are compliant and who are trouble makers
4) part of the build back better plan for total control of the population

sjmoca says

On a relative basis, much more deaths have happened in the unvaccinated. Based on UK data, 32x more likely to die of Covid. 2.8x more likely to have died of anything, all-in.

Link please. I'd like to see the raw data.

What you have shown here is that the unvaxxed mortality rate is a little over 2000 and a little over 3000 for all the vaxxed people.

The CDC data also seems cooked. I have seen vax rates of 150% in some of their datasets.

Your explanation of reporting lag makes sense as the last couple of weeks in the latest dataset are always low. I'll have to look closer and see where the deaths have been moved to.

This data is complete bullshit. Most of the kids aren't vaccinated anywhere and none of them die. If you added all the asymptomatic infected unvaxxed kids this statement would turn over on its head. They are basically taking severe cases amongst adults (aka hospitalizations) and then compare. Many unjabbed adults have comorbidities and can't take the jab. All you need to do is look at highly vaccinated states and countries and rising case, hospitalizations and deaths to see the jabs are not only dangerous, they don't work. Never has been there such a dangerous and ineffective vaccine in history, maybe the flu virus in some years when they don't get the cocktail right, could match in ineffectiveness.

The seroprevalence is estimated to be about around 40% now. They don't take any of those into account. The jab may lessen severity of symptoms for 4-6 months but at the expense of death and crippling for some, plus ADE plus cumulative side effects for all of those who need to keep boosting every 4-6 months.

sjmoca says

mell says

Never has been there such a dangerous and ineffective vaccine in history, maybe the flu virus in some years when they don't get the cocktail right, could match in ineffectiveness.

This idea doesn't seem remotely accurate. The vast vast majority of rising cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, are in the unvaccinated.

Thanks for the FAKE NEWS but your source is not at all credible. And the chart data is not given. My information shows that current Covid patients are mostly vaxxed in the USA, and almost all vaxxed in many other countries.
Also the death rate is rising, among vaxxed Covid patients. It is now almost double the rate of death for 2020.

What kind of vaccine increases your risk of dying by two fold?

sjmoca says

This idea doesn't seem remotely accurate. The vast vast majority of rising cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, are in the unvaccinated.

Is that current, or cumulative? If cumulative, that would include the time before the vax, no?

From KFF site:

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) currently monitors hospitalizations and deaths, from any cause, among fully vaccinated individuals with COVID-19, but not breakthrough infections, which it stopped monitoring as of May 1. CDC presents this data in aggregate at the national level but not by state, and there is no single, public repository for data by state or data on breakthrough infections, since the CDC stopped monitoring them.

What's the reason for the high rate of cases in Vermont, one of the most vaxxed states in the Union, or Israel, which is 80%+ vaxxed?

Shaman says

What kind of vaccine increases your risk of dying by two fold?

Great observation. We now have a COVID death rate higher after almost a year of a vaccine, than a year before ANY vaccine was available. And it's spreading fastest in areas that are the most vaccinated.

Onvacation says

sjmoca says

Honestly there seems to be no smoke here when you take that into account.

Honestly?

What do you think about the 600% increase in death rate that started in July, or August, or October or whenever the number spiked?

You do see the spike? Don'tcha?

Thats the problem, it does lessen symptoms for 4-6 months without ADE, but it kills so many on the way along. And ADE is lurking. Net net it kills more than it saves, the only reliable number is the number of vaccines to give to save one live and it's horribly high and kills and maims more on the way. The only people who should consider taking it are those at high risk of dying who haven't had covid yet

sjmoca says

This idea doesn't seem remotely accurate. The vast vast majority of rising cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, are in the unvaccinated.

Of course only the unvaccinated are tested.


A lot of brainwashed people think the Wuhan is really dangerous and the vax is safe and effective

sjmoca says

Texas released their report:

Even though Texas was 50% vaxxed in June they still had a spike in deaths.

sjmoca says

I think it's the "delta variant"

That's what I've been hearing.

CaptainHorsePaste says

We now have a COVID death rate higher after almost a year of a vaccine, than a year before ANY vaccine was available. And it's spreading fastest in areas that are the most vaccinated.

This is clearly true. Look at Singapore, Israel, Austria, Netherlands.

Then look at Africa, which has almost no vaxxing and almost no Wuhan Virus.

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/uk-data-shows-the-vaccines-are-not

UK data shows the vaccines are NOT saving any lives at all. Zero. Zip. Nada.
Mathew Crawford just did an analysis showing that the data from the UK shows that the vaccines aren't saving any lives at all. Zero. Zip. Nada. So we're killing over 150K people to save no lives. Wow.

https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/ukhsa-vaccine-surveillance-week-46

sjmoca says

That is very interesting. From the same data, the death rate is still higher among the unvaxed.

True. The vax is usually somewhat protective vs Covid for mitigating death risk. Looks like it ranges from 7 times less risk to 2 times less risk. But consider Taiwan’s data: they had low Covid from the beginning, but experienced almost a thousand deaths from the vax itself! At one point a couple weeks ago, Taiwan actually had more deaths from the vax than from Covid!
Australia is the same although their data is very corrupt. What they can’t hide though, is that since this vax campaign has been in effect, their hospitals have been packed full of people in distress and/or dying. But there’s no Covid.

Finally, a study that was undergoing BCA (blood testing) of a group of patients for an issue unrelated to Covid, reported their findings last week.
“ The risk of developing acute coronary syndrome (ACS) significantly increased in patients after receiving mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, according to a report presented at the American Heart Association (AHA) Scientific Sessions 2021, held from November 13 to 15, 2021.

The study included 566 men and women (1:1) aged 28-97 years, who were patients in a preventive cardiology practice. All patients received a new PULS Cardiac Test 2-10 weeks after their second COVID-19 vaccine. This test result was compared with a PULS score from 3-5 months prevaccination. The PULS Cardiac Test measures multiple protein biomarkers, including hepatocyte growth factor [HGF], soluble Fas, and IL-16, and uses the results to calculate a 5-year risk score for new ACS. The PULS score increases with above-normal elevation. All participants received this test every 3-6 months for 8 years.

From prevaccination to postvaccination, the levels of IL-16 increased from 35=/-20 to 82=/-75 above the norm. Soluble Fas showed an increase from 22±15 to 46=/-24 above the norm. HGF rose from 42±12 to 86±31 above the norm. As a result, the 5-year ACS PULS risk score increased from 11% to 25%. By the time the report was published, changes had persisted for 2.5 months or more after the second vaccine dose.“

So it looks like the vax does permanent heart damage as a “side effect.” The reports of myocarditis are just from the people who were more critically affected by the cardiac damage. If you took the vax, you most likely have heart damage.
https://www.thecardiologyadvisor.com/home/topics/acs/acute-coronary-syndrome-acs-biomarkers-mrna-covid19-vaccine/

sjmoca says

More likely

Know what’s “more likely?” That a vax with a solidly proven history of causing myocarditis and pericarditis as well as sudden fatal heart attacks and clots so severe they cause strokes and necessitate amputation of limbs… it’s MORE LIKELY that such a vax causes fucking heart damage!
But you’re just assuming that the test, a test which has been in use for decades without question… is the real problem.
In response to that, I’m rolling my eyes savagely.

sjmoca says

, influenza, covid-19, and bacterial infections. What the vax hesitant keep ignoring is that pediatric experts are saying covid-19 causes more fucking myocarditis than the vax!

Bold faced lie by the "experts"! There are close to zero serious covid 19 cases among kids, the factor of severe damage (incl. myocarditis) from the jab is higher by 100x - 10000 x. They are being paid off by big pharma and literally killing and maiming kids. There are a few MDs with integrity left though who will tell you it's asinine and criminal to jab kids

You really want to know what the whole problem is with this fiasco? 2 things....1) force of government and 2) censoring. If everyone could simply be given advice by their Drs. and the government/social media (but I repeat myself) didn't resort to censoring, people would "feel" better about their choice in this matter.

"Freedom is always the answer"

--Me

Math doesn't lie, the chances of a kid having a severe covid case is around 2 in a million, dying around 1 in a million. The incidence of SAE incl. myocarditis from the jab is anywhere from 1 in 10 for the early dosages to 1 in 10000.

sjmoca says

Like Elias, Han says most vaccine-associated myocarditis cases are mild, without “significant disturbance to the heart function or inability to maintain blood pressure.”

Bullshit bold faced liar! Pls stop using propaganda. Myocarditis is NEVER mild. NEVER. People should stay far, far away from any MD shill talking about 'mild myocarditis', it's an oxymoron

Next thing you know MDs telling you kids have heart attacks and strokes commonly. Shills

sjmoca says

As "novaxx" people have had the virus, they now have antibodies, and are no longer vulnerable like "novaxx" implies.

Lol, what? Of course after being sick people have very good immunity, but that has nothing at all to do with that graph.

The graph compares cases among people who had the vaxx vs those who have not.

It says nothing at all about which of them had antibodies when they became a case, whether vaxxed or not.

It sure looks like the vaxx has negative efficacy in terms of cases.

sjmoca says

mell says

Math doesn't lie, the chances of a kid having a severe covid case is around 2 in a million, dying around 1 in a million. The incidence of SAE incl. myocarditis from the jab is anywhere from 1 in 10 for the early dosages to 1 in 10000.

The risc of MIS-C after Covid-19 is around 1 in 3200 children.

No it's not. Around 40% or close to 30MM children have seroprevalence and rising.

OK, that's in the range mell mentioned.

But children will die from the vaxx who literally have a higher risk of being hit by lightning than dying from Wuhan Virus. This is outright murder of children for profit. Can you think of a more evil crime?

Myocarditis is indeed serious:

While 60% to 70% of patients improve clinically and hemodynamically, the remaining patients will develop chronic heart failure or dilated cardiomyopathy within months or years

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3370379/

Posting info from the CDC is like posting articles from the National Enquirer.

Not a reputable source.

Patrick says

OK, that's in the range mell mentioned.

But children will die from the vaxx who literally have a higher risk of being hit by lightning than dying from Wuhan Virus. This is outright murder of children for profit. Can you think of a more evil crime?

Myocarditis is indeed serious:

While 60% to 70% of patients improve clinically and hemodynamically, the remaining patients will develop chronic heart failure or dilated cardiomyopathy within months or years

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3370379/

It's 1 in 5400 if you believe the 5500 cases and you can be sure there is no significant underreporting, Pediatrics will always send kids for tests even with mild symptoms. That is still far less than the 1 in 10 SAEs from pfisters own study.

Patrick says

It sure looks like the vaxx has negative efficacy in terms of cases.

Don't forget that stat is conveniently calculated for all cases, it doesnt say anything about the ability of the jab to prevent mis-c which is probably close to zero, then add in SAEs.

sjmoca says

Myocarditis is caused by infections like colds, influenza, covid-19, and bacterial infections. What the vax hesitant keep ignoring is that pediatric experts are saying covid-19 causes more fucking myocarditis than the vax!

Why do you want to kill kids? They have no risk of dying from the Wuhan.

Anybody pushing this jab on people that don't need it are brainwashed, ignorant, or evil.

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/if-you-like-heart-problems-youll

If you like heart problems, you'll love the Pfizer and Moderna Covid vaccines
So says a report on almost 600 patients presented last week at the American Heart Association's annual conference

sjmoca says

Or maybe it just means you are having an immune response to the vax...

Why are you pushing the jab?

Do you think the jab works? If it does work why do we need a booster? Why would we need a booster for the delta variant if the original jabs don't work against the delta variant. If the boosters do work for the delta variant why didn't the original jabs work against the delta variant since they are the same experimental biologic agent?

I am not expecting cogent answers to these simple questions but can @sjmoca attempt to answer?

sjmoca says

"Apoptosis and other immune biomarkers predict influenza vaccine responsiveness"
https://www.embopress.org/doi/full/10.1038/msb.2013.15

The Wuhan is not the flu. It is a laboratory created gain of function cold virus. The jab is not a vaccine it is an experimental biologic agent that tens of millions of people have taken.

This flu season should tell us a lot. If the jab works the jabbed will stop dying and the unjabbed will start dying in larger numbers. Time will tell.

sjmoca says

All I did was dismantle your theory on "Vax Death Spike" with data. Make an informed choice.

So no answers. Wasn't expecting any.

sjmoca says

Obviously the Covid mRNA vaccine must be causing gastric cancer, joint infections, emphysema, rheumatoid arthritis, myocardial infarctions, taiwanese lung cancer, glioma, osteosarcoma.

Non-Sequitur.

The PLUS Cardiac Test (GD Biosciences, Inc, Irvine, CA) a clinically validated measurement of multiple protein biomarkers which generates a score predicting the 5 yr risk (percentage chance) of a new Acute Coronary Syndrome (ACS). Multiple biomarkers, not just one or two biomarkers. It has been validated as a tool for classifying Heart Disease.

Publications
https://pulstest.com/articles

Clinical Utility of the PULS Cardiac Test in Classifying Intermediate Risk Patients
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4231217/

Analytical Performance Validation of the PULS Cardiac Test
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23530883/

Clinical Validation of the PULS Cardiac Test for Improved Coronary Risk Assessment
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4231217/

etc.....

sjmoca says

I disagree. The PULS test thing is extremely weak on research. Those few papers just say "yes this test measures the markers we want to measure" and "physicians adapted their treatment plan in response to our test", but critically, no studies are available that validate the predictive efficacy.

Which is most weak...The PCR test or the PULS test?

sjmoca says

I disagree.

You are engaging in hit-and run non-sequiturs by asserting that il-16 alone is a non-specific biomarker, and by providing an irrelevant reference (https://www.embopress.org/doi/full/10.1038/msb.2013.15) that does not measure the three biomarkers described as elevated in the ahajournals.org abstract 10712 cited above.

If you could cite publications where Il-16, soluble Fas, and HGF, the biomarkers described as elevated in the ahajournals.org abstract, were elevated in diseases other than heart disease, that could be a reasonable argument. But you have not, and it is not.