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Shaman
2021 Nov 23, 3:31pm
Shaman
2021 Nov 23, 3:31pm
sjmoca says
Know what’s “more likely?” That a vax with a solidly proven history of causing myocarditis and pericarditis as well as sudden fatal heart attacks and clots so severe they cause strokes and necessitate amputation of limbs… it’s MORE LIKELY that such a vax causes fucking heart damage!
But you’re just assuming that the test, a test which has been in use for decades without question… is the real problem.
In response to that, I’m rolling my eyes savagely.
More likely
Know what’s “more likely?” That a vax with a solidly proven history of causing myocarditis and pericarditis as well as sudden fatal heart attacks and clots so severe they cause strokes and necessitate amputation of limbs… it’s MORE LIKELY that such a vax causes fucking heart damage!
But you’re just assuming that the test, a test which has been in use for decades without question… is the real problem.
In response to that, I’m rolling my eyes savagely.
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mell
2021 Nov 23, 4:45pm
sjmoca says
Bold faced lie by the "experts"! There are close to zero serious covid 19 cases among kids, the factor of severe damage (incl. myocarditis) from the jab is higher by 100x - 10000 x. They are being paid off by big pharma and literally killing and maiming kids. There are a few MDs with integrity left though who will tell you it's asinine and criminal to jab kids
, influenza, covid-19, and bacterial infections. What the vax hesitant keep ignoring is that pediatric experts are saying covid-19 causes more fucking myocarditis than the vax!
Bold faced lie by the "experts"! There are close to zero serious covid 19 cases among kids, the factor of severe damage (incl. myocarditis) from the jab is higher by 100x - 10000 x. They are being paid off by big pharma and literally killing and maiming kids. There are a few MDs with integrity left though who will tell you it's asinine and criminal to jab kids
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GNL
2021 Nov 23, 4:49pm
GNL
2021 Nov 23, 4:49pm
You really want to know what the whole problem is with this fiasco? 2 things....1) force of government and 2) censoring. If everyone could simply be given advice by their Drs. and the government/social media (but I repeat myself) didn't resort to censoring, people would "feel" better about their choice in this matter.
"Freedom is always the answer"
--Me
"Freedom is always the answer"
--Me
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mell
2021 Nov 23, 4:50pm
Math doesn't lie, the chances of a kid having a severe covid case is around 2 in a million, dying around 1 in a million. The incidence of SAE incl. myocarditis from the jab is anywhere from 1 in 10 for the early dosages to 1 in 10000.
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mell
2021 Nov 23, 4:53pm
sjmoca says
Bullshit bold faced liar! Pls stop using propaganda. Myocarditis is NEVER mild. NEVER. People should stay far, far away from any MD shill talking about 'mild myocarditis', it's an oxymoron
Like Elias, Han says most vaccine-associated myocarditis cases are mild, without “significant disturbance to the heart function or inability to maintain blood pressure.”
Bullshit bold faced liar! Pls stop using propaganda. Myocarditis is NEVER mild. NEVER. People should stay far, far away from any MD shill talking about 'mild myocarditis', it's an oxymoron
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mell
2021 Nov 23, 4:56pm
Next thing you know MDs telling you kids have heart attacks and strokes commonly. Shills
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Patrick
2021 Nov 23, 5:08pm
Patrick
2021 Nov 23, 5:08pm
sjmoca says
Lol, what? Of course after being sick people have very good immunity, but that has nothing at all to do with that graph.
The graph compares cases among people who had the vaxx vs those who have not.
It says nothing at all about which of them had antibodies when they became a case, whether vaxxed or not.
It sure looks like the vaxx has negative efficacy in terms of cases.
As "novaxx" people have had the virus, they now have antibodies, and are no longer vulnerable like "novaxx" implies.
Lol, what? Of course after being sick people have very good immunity, but that has nothing at all to do with that graph.
The graph compares cases among people who had the vaxx vs those who have not.
It says nothing at all about which of them had antibodies when they became a case, whether vaxxed or not.
It sure looks like the vaxx has negative efficacy in terms of cases.
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mell
2021 Nov 23, 5:20pm
sjmoca says
No it's not. Around 40% or close to 30MM children have seroprevalence and rising.
mell saysMath doesn't lie, the chances of a kid having a severe covid case is around 2 in a million, dying around 1 in a million. The incidence of SAE incl. myocarditis from the jab is anywhere from 1 in 10 for the early dosages to 1 in 10000.
The risc of MIS-C after Covid-19 is around 1 in 3200 children.
No it's not. Around 40% or close to 30MM children have seroprevalence and rising.
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Patrick
2021 Nov 23, 5:21pm
Patrick
2021 Nov 23, 5:21pm
OK, that's in the range mell mentioned.
But children will die from the vaxx who literally have a higher risk of being hit by lightning than dying from Wuhan Virus. This is outright murder of children for profit. Can you think of a more evil crime?
Myocarditis is indeed serious:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3370379/
But children will die from the vaxx who literally have a higher risk of being hit by lightning than dying from Wuhan Virus. This is outright murder of children for profit. Can you think of a more evil crime?
Myocarditis is indeed serious:
While 60% to 70% of patients improve clinically and hemodynamically, the remaining patients will develop chronic heart failure or dilated cardiomyopathy within months or years
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3370379/
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Patrick
2021 Nov 23, 5:25pm
Patrick
2021 Nov 23, 5:25pm
Posting info from the CDC is like posting articles from the National Enquirer.
Not a reputable source.
Not a reputable source.
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mell
2021 Nov 23, 5:26pm
Patrick says
It's 1 in 5400 if you believe the 5500 cases and you can be sure there is no significant underreporting, Pediatrics will always send kids for tests even with mild symptoms. That is still far less than the 1 in 10 SAEs from pfisters own study.
OK, that's in the range mell mentioned.
But children will die from the vaxx who literally have a higher risk of being hit by lightning than dying from Wuhan Virus. This is outright murder of children for profit. Can you think of a more evil crime?
Myocarditis is indeed serious:While 60% to 70% of patients improve clinically and hemodynamically, the remaining patients will develop chronic heart failure or dilated cardiomyopathy within months or years
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3370379/
It's 1 in 5400 if you believe the 5500 cases and you can be sure there is no significant underreporting, Pediatrics will always send kids for tests even with mild symptoms. That is still far less than the 1 in 10 SAEs from pfisters own study.
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mell
2021 Nov 23, 5:48pm
Patrick says
Don't forget that stat is conveniently calculated for all cases, it doesnt say anything about the ability of the jab to prevent mis-c which is probably close to zero, then add in SAEs.
It sure looks like the vaxx has negative efficacy in terms of cases.
Don't forget that stat is conveniently calculated for all cases, it doesnt say anything about the ability of the jab to prevent mis-c which is probably close to zero, then add in SAEs.
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Onvacation
2021 Nov 23, 6:48pm
Onvacation
2021 Nov 23, 6:48pm
sjmoca says
Why do you want to kill kids? They have no risk of dying from the Wuhan.
Anybody pushing this jab on people that don't need it are brainwashed, ignorant, or evil.
Myocarditis is caused by infections like colds, influenza, covid-19, and bacterial infections. What the vax hesitant keep ignoring is that pediatric experts are saying covid-19 causes more fucking myocarditis than the vax!
Why do you want to kill kids? They have no risk of dying from the Wuhan.
Anybody pushing this jab on people that don't need it are brainwashed, ignorant, or evil.
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Patrick
2021 Nov 23, 10:41pm
Patrick
2021 Nov 23, 10:41pm
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/if-you-like-heart-problems-youll
If you like heart problems, you'll love the Pfizer and Moderna Covid vaccines
So says a report on almost 600 patients presented last week at the American Heart Association's annual conference
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Onvacation
2021 Nov 24, 8:25am
Onvacation
2021 Nov 24, 8:25am
sjmoca says
Why are you pushing the jab?
Do you think the jab works? If it does work why do we need a booster? Why would we need a booster for the delta variant if the original jabs don't work against the delta variant. If the boosters do work for the delta variant why didn't the original jabs work against the delta variant since they are the same experimental biologic agent?
I am not expecting cogent answers to these simple questions but can @sjmoca attempt to answer?
Or maybe it just means you are having an immune response to the vax...
Why are you pushing the jab?
Do you think the jab works? If it does work why do we need a booster? Why would we need a booster for the delta variant if the original jabs don't work against the delta variant. If the boosters do work for the delta variant why didn't the original jabs work against the delta variant since they are the same experimental biologic agent?
I am not expecting cogent answers to these simple questions but can @sjmoca attempt to answer?
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Onvacation
2021 Nov 24, 8:29am
Onvacation
2021 Nov 24, 8:29am
sjmoca says
The Wuhan is not the flu. It is a laboratory created gain of function cold virus. The jab is not a vaccine it is an experimental biologic agent that tens of millions of people have taken.
This flu season should tell us a lot. If the jab works the jabbed will stop dying and the unjabbed will start dying in larger numbers. Time will tell.
"Apoptosis and other immune biomarkers predict influenza vaccine responsiveness"
https://www.embopress.org/doi/full/10.1038/msb.2013.15
The Wuhan is not the flu. It is a laboratory created gain of function cold virus. The jab is not a vaccine it is an experimental biologic agent that tens of millions of people have taken.
This flu season should tell us a lot. If the jab works the jabbed will stop dying and the unjabbed will start dying in larger numbers. Time will tell.
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Onvacation
2021 Nov 24, 9:18am
Onvacation
2021 Nov 24, 9:18am
sjmoca says
So no answers. Wasn't expecting any.
All I did was dismantle your theory on "Vax Death Spike" with data. Make an informed choice.
So no answers. Wasn't expecting any.
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Al_Sharpton_for_President
2021 Nov 24, 9:37am
Al_Sharpton_for_President
2021 Nov 24, 9:37am
sjmoca says
The PLUS Cardiac Test (GD Biosciences, Inc, Irvine, CA) a clinically validated measurement of multiple protein biomarkers which generates a score predicting the 5 yr risk (percentage chance) of a new Acute Coronary Syndrome (ACS). Multiple biomarkers, not just one or two biomarkers. It has been validated as a tool for classifying Heart Disease.
Publications
https://pulstest.com/articles
Clinical Utility of the PULS Cardiac Test in Classifying Intermediate Risk Patients
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4231217/
Analytical Performance Validation of the PULS Cardiac Test
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23530883/
Clinical Validation of the PULS Cardiac Test for Improved Coronary Risk Assessment
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4231217/
etc.....
Obviously the Covid mRNA vaccine must be causing gastric cancer, joint infections, emphysema, rheumatoid arthritis, myocardial infarctions, taiwanese lung cancer, glioma, osteosarcoma.Non-Sequitur.
The PLUS Cardiac Test (GD Biosciences, Inc, Irvine, CA) a clinically validated measurement of multiple protein biomarkers which generates a score predicting the 5 yr risk (percentage chance) of a new Acute Coronary Syndrome (ACS). Multiple biomarkers, not just one or two biomarkers. It has been validated as a tool for classifying Heart Disease.
Publications
https://pulstest.com/articles
Clinical Utility of the PULS Cardiac Test in Classifying Intermediate Risk Patients
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4231217/
Analytical Performance Validation of the PULS Cardiac Test
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23530883/
Clinical Validation of the PULS Cardiac Test for Improved Coronary Risk Assessment
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4231217/
etc.....
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GNL
2021 Nov 24, 10:36am
GNL
2021 Nov 24, 10:36am
sjmoca says
Which is most weak...The PCR test or the PULS test?
I disagree. The PULS test thing is extremely weak on research. Those few papers just say "yes this test measures the markers we want to measure" and "physicians adapted their treatment plan in response to our test", but critically, no studies are available that validate the predictive efficacy.
Which is most weak...The PCR test or the PULS test?
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Al_Sharpton_for_President
2021 Nov 24, 1:28pm
Al_Sharpton_for_President
2021 Nov 24, 1:28pm
sjmoca says
If you could cite publications where Il-16, soluble Fas, and HGF, the biomarkers described as elevated in the ahajournals.org abstract, were elevated in diseases other than heart disease, that could be a reasonable argument. But you have not, and it is not.
I disagree.You are engaging in hit-and run non-sequiturs by asserting that il-16 alone is a non-specific biomarker, and by providing an irrelevant reference (https://www.embopress.org/doi/full/10.1038/msb.2013.15) that does not measure the three biomarkers described as elevated in the ahajournals.org abstract 10712 cited above.
If you could cite publications where Il-16, soluble Fas, and HGF, the biomarkers described as elevated in the ahajournals.org abstract, were elevated in diseases other than heart disease, that could be a reasonable argument. But you have not, and it is not.
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https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Week-Ending-D/r8kw-7aab
I was curious about trends so I then downloaded the last six years of death data from the cdc and concatenated it into one file. I graphed it:
It was obvious that there was quite a spike from the corona virus (Blue Gray line) when I eliminated total deaths from the chart.
At this point I was curious if some of the other causes of death had gone down so I eliminated heart disease, cancer, and covid-19.
This is when I noticed the annual winter spike from flu and pneumonia was gone in 2020-2021. I also noticed the spike in "not elsewhere classified". I zoomed in and got this:
Logic using people can see there is a problem here.