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Natural immunity is better than clot shot immunity by a factor of 27! (updated)

By Patrick follow Patrick   2021 Aug 16, 10:02am 338 views   25 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


(bullshit post from WHO claiming that clot shot is better than natural immunity deleted because it's such an outrageous lie)


Robert W Malone, MD
@RWMaloneMD
3h
The WHO just posted this on facebook. The WHO cite no peer reviewed papers, data or evidence. I am providing the FB link also.
facebook.com/WHO/posts/45675…

Robert W Malone, MD
@RWMaloneMD
2h
So anyone/scientist/politician/journalist who posts counter to this WHO narrative can now be labelled as a "dis-informer" and attacked by fact checkers. Think about that.
2:01 PM · Aug 16, 2021


https://nitter.database.red/RWMaloneMD/status/1427269201954234373#m

The level of lying by the WHO is nothing short of criminal.

The WHO is the single greatest threat to public health on earth.


Dr. Marty Makary, a professor at John Hopkins School of Medicine, during an appearance on The Vince Coglianese Show, said individuals formerly infected with COVID-19 are seven times more likely then vaccinated people to fight off the virus.

“It appears that natural immunity is better against the Delta variant. When you get infected with COVID, your body’s immune system develops antibodies to the entire surface of the virus,” Makary said. “Not just the slight protein that the vaccines gives you, but the entire surface. And so you get a more diverse antibody portfolio in your system.”

Makary said data from Israel revealed that natural immunity appears to be 6.7x more effective than being vaccinated when it comes to fighting off COVID-19.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/dr-makary-says-natural-immunity-is-more-effective-then-vaccine-immunity/ar-AAMX3sM

(Update, see below. Natural immunity is actually better than the jab by a factor of 27. https://patrick.net/post/1340683?offset=0#comment-1777828 )
1   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Aug 16, 10:04am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Unbelievable - criminals.
3   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 16, 3:36pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      


TrueNorth
@xwill100
8h
Replying to @RWMaloneMD
Washington U in St Louis, the Cleveland Clinic, Rockefeller U, Emory U and just yesterday CSH, BMJ and Yale have studies that lead to the opposite conclusion. Recovery from Covid confers broader and more durable protection. The WHO post is misinformation.
4   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 16, 3:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762

Nearly 40% of new COVID patients were vaccinated - compared to just 1% who had been infected previously.
5   WineHorror1   ignore (2)   2021 Aug 16, 3:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

What kind of person would believe a vax could confer better immunity than God given?
6   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 16, 3:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

A fatally naive person.
7   WineHorror1   ignore (2)   2021 Aug 16, 3:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Update on my parents: Dad told me this morning he turned the corner on Covid. The only thing he has taken for Covid was Ivermectin, Tylenol and 1 IV (he was dehydrated). I just got off the phone with mom and she said she is feeling much better. All she has taken for Covid is HCQ, Mucinex and 1 IV. They are both 83 with many health issues. They are both VERY tired and LOW energy. I think they will have low energy for awhile yet.
8   Al_Sharpton_for_President   ignore (6)   2021 Aug 16, 3:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
“It appears that natural immunity is better against the Delta variant. When you get infected with COVID, your body’s immune system develops antibodies to the entire surface of the virus,” Makary said. “Not just the slight protein that the vaccines gives you, but the entire surface. And so you get a more diverse antibody portfolio in your system.”
Absolutely, the natural, non-attenuated virus vaccine is a much more complete immunogen, resulting in a much broader immune response. And not just antibodies, but T cells, also. The inferior gene therapy is narrowly synthetic resulting in a narrow immune response easily thwarted by a few mutations.
9   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 18, 6:11pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://twitter.com/Leftylockdowns1/status/1426586586100158476#m


Jenin Younes (Leftylockdownskeptic)
@Leftylockdowns1
Aug 14
People who are pushing the vaccine should understand the denial of natural immunity is a major contributing factor in vaccine hesitancy. The denial is so contrary to the science that it makes people suspicious there is a greater agenda at play.
4:48 PM · Aug 14, 2021
10   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 18, 6:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Paul D'Acri
@manraygun1
Aug 14
Replying to @Leftylockdowns1 @MartinKulldorff
More broadly, it's the one-size-fits-all vaccinate everybody payoff to Pharma with no regard for individual risk, age, obesity, etc.
11   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 18, 6:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

SWLion
@swlion1371
Aug 14
Replying to @Leftylockdowns1
Well sure, that combined with 24×7 propaganda/censorship on a global scale. And mandates that if you don’t get jabbed, you will lose your job or your ability to travel, etc.
12   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 18, 6:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

JoMama
@yojojomo
Aug 14
Replying to @Leftylockdowns1
Absolutely! And all of the hypocrisy. The open border, the parties, the photo ops, the deceptive data….None of it makes sense.


Well, it actually does all make sense in terms of profit for Pfizer.
13   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 18, 6:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      


H Johnson
@Pyr0sa
Aug 14
Replying to @Leftylockdowns1 @MartinKulldorff
If they would simply spend a SMALL percentage of their budgets on accurate (and just as tacked/verifiable) antibodies tests (i.e., "verified already had it, natural immunity in effect), then they'd eliminate a HUGE amount of hesitancy & distrust. TINY spend, small messaging add.
14   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 18, 6:16pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      


M Norrid
@MNorrid
Aug 14
Replying to @Leftylockdowns1
Even more suspicious is the censoring of scientists and doctors who advise against it or promote alternative drug therapeutics. Apparently vaccines also make one immune to authoritarian tendencies.
16   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 18, 6:18pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      


Soulwellness Coach
@HarbordUrsula
Aug 15
Replying to @Leftylockdowns1
Hesitant because of its licenced for emergency use only and lack of safety data. If they were serious about saving lives they would be using Ivermectin








https://bird-group.org/
17   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 18, 6:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      


ALL the Things
@PhantomBreaking
Aug 15
Replying to @Leftylockdowns1
Exactly. If this were anything but a money grab, an antibody test card would be seen as equally valid as a vaccination card.
18   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 19, 11:04am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      


College Baseball 365
@Stu_Murray1
Aug 17
The Delta “scare”, in perspective.

UK’s Official VoC Report (Aug 6; Table 5)

147,612 Delta infections in unvaccinated people < age 50

48 deaths

99.97% survival, if infected at all

And we need to vax everyone w/ unproven jabs?


https://twitter.com/Stu_Murray1/status/1427776018505510918#m
19   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 26, 12:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://twitter.com/MartinKulldorff/status/1430660291579105284#m

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1


In Israel, vaccinated individuals had 27 times higher risk of symptomatic COVID infection compared to those with natural immunity from prior COVID disease [95%CI:13-57, adjusted for time of vaccine/disease].
20   WookieMan   ignore (6)   2021 Aug 26, 12:16pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WineHorror1 says
Update on my parents: Dad told me this morning he turned the corner on Covid. The only thing he has taken for Covid was Ivermectin, Tylenol and 1 IV (he was dehydrated). I just got off the phone with mom and she said she is feeling much better. All she has taken for Covid is HCQ, Mucinex and 1 IV. They are both 83 with many health issues. They are both VERY tired and LOW energy. I think they will have low energy for awhile yet.

Keep an eye on them. Just don't let them get the vax if they haven't already. Digging up info as best I can, but a prominent family friend passed away this month who was mostly healthy. Overweight, not obese. About 72-73 I believe. Healthcare was never an issue, he had the money to pay the best for whatever needed to be done. I'm interested to find out if he got one of the vaccines.

I may never find out, but my tin foil hat has me going other directions. 50% of people have no wealth. The people with wealth are boomers, even if it's just 20% of them. But it's a lot of wealth. This guy was $100M plus. Besides the houses he was a normal guy if you saw him in the supermarket. I'm starting to think the younger tech wealthy are offing the older wealthy so people spend the money. Long shot theory, but part me thinks it makes sense. Kill off the old people that maybe travel to expensive hotels, houses and restaurants, and get that money back into the hands of people that will spend it across the economy beside recreation and housing. Would be a total liberal train of thought given the leanings of the younger tech giants.
21   Rin   ignore (9)   2021 Aug 26, 1:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
The level of lying by the WHO is nothing short of criminal.

The WHO is the single greatest threat to public health on earth.


No, they're just f*k_ing stupid, having forgotten all their undergrad immunology coursework.

They are the organizational version of the following geniuses ...

22   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 26, 11:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      


Monica Gandhi MD, MPH
@MonicaGandhi9
18h
Since this is largest study of re-infection (albeit with the 3 week Pfizer vax which probably has lowest antibodies) and shows that natural immunity confers strong protection from re-infection (& 1 dose helps), US at this point needs to consider immunity rather than vax passports
12:01 PM · Aug 26, 2021
23   richwicks   ignore (3)   2021 Aug 26, 11:46pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
US at this point needs to consider immunity rather than vax passports


As if the passports have ANYTHING to do with the disease.
24   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 14, 9:45am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2101/rr-0


Vaccinating people who have had covid-19: why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? ...

In contrast to this collective data demonstrating both adequate and long-lasting protection in those who have recovered from COVID-19, the duration of vaccine-induced immunity is not fully known - but breakthrough infections in Israel, Iceland and in the US suggests a few months. Before CDC decided to stop collecting data on all breakthrough infections at the end of April, 2021, it reported >10,000 breakthrough infections (2 weeks after completion of vaccination) in the US, with a mortality of ~2% (6). Booster COVID vaccine recommendations have been already announced in Israel and in the US proving vaccine failure within 6 months.

How should we use the collective data to prioritize vaccination? These new data support simple and logical concepts. The goal of vaccination is to generate memory cells that can recognize SARS-CoV-2 and rapidly generate neutralizing antibodies that either prevent or mitigate both infection and transmission. Those who have survived COVID-19 must almost by definition have mounted an effective immune response; it is not surprising that the evolving literature shows that prior infection decreases vulnerability. In our view, the data suggest that people confirmed to have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 may not need vaccination. We should not be debating the implications of prior infection; we should be debating how to confirm prior infection.
25   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 17, 9:41am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cdc-covid-natural-immunity/


09/14/21

BIG PHARMA › VIEWS

Vaccinating People Who Have Had COVID-19: Why Doesn’t Natural Immunity Count in the U.S.?
The CDC estimates that SARS-CoV-2 has infected more than 100 million Americans, and evidence is mounting that natural immunity is at least as protective as vaccination. Yet public health leadership says everyone needs the vaccine.

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