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@WineHorror1 - Is this the book you were talking about?
https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/132/toc
You would be aghast at how open I'm willing to read different points of view. I love reading banned books. Except Naked Lunch. The film was fun, the book requires you to be out of your mind on heroin to read.
It's also on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF1XqXrDvro
WineHorror1 saysIt's also on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF1XqXrDvro
Mmm, I'm grabbing it now.
Youtube has rate limited me, but I'll get it in time.
How interesting, 15 years ago I'd be giving your crap. I have to be honest, I don't agree with you, but I'm not in opposition to your viewpoint even when I disagree with it.
A hard science education, it destroys faith, and questions the usefulness of faith. Jesuits are very well educated, they are in the religious order, and the rumor is that more than 1/2 of them are atheists. I'm not as well educated as them. I think your faith is useful for society, even though I ultimately think it's incorrect.
Still, I'll listen and learn from any point of view.
It's just way too difficult for me to believe there is no God.
WineHorror1 saysIt's just way too difficult for me to believe there is no God.
Most Atheist pushed Steady State in the first half of the 20th Century. Even Hoyle, who pushed Steady State and invented the mocking term "Big Bang", was converted to soft Deism.
The Universe has a beginning.
Check out the prevalence of Carbon.
Check out how DNA could have possibly come about? It takes specially shaped amino acids, themselves damned rare, having to interlock "just so", and being able to reproduce from square one. The raw chances of that happening are more than the number of elemental particles in the observable universe.
"Eventually, a group of monkeys will type Shakespeare's Macbeth given enough time."
But that's not the first problem - the monkeys FIRST have to hit upon language and letters, invent grammar, stick with both,...
That's why Atheists and Agnostics are now turning to a form of Intelligent Design, postulating a Sheldon, that we live in a Simulation.
Problem for the atheists with this model is that it absolutely REQUIRES a Creator! Whoops!
Check out how DNA could have possibly come about? It takes specially shaped amino acids, themselves damned rare, having to interlock "just so", and being able to reproduce from square one. The raw chances of that happening are more than the number of elemental particles in the observable universe.
Can anyone explain timelessness and where primordial soup came from?
WineHorror1 saysCan anyone explain timelessness and where primordial soup came from?
IDK what you mean by "timelessness." Are you referring to time scales incomprehensible relative to a human second-to-lifetime?
"Primordial soup" is the base stock of simple, inorganic chemicals that existed and evolved over time abiotically before any forms of "life" arose. It was made of the original elements that agglomerated together to form the original proto-Earth, and changed over time from chemical reactions and energy inputs from insolation, volcanism, radioactive decay mainly. For over a billion years (guessing here) there existed a reducing atmosphere with no free oxygen. Life as we know it (outside a few simple extremophiles) couldn't exist then even if the fully assembled DNA sequences were magically transported there by the cubic mile. The "primordial soup" originally consisted of simple...
postulating a Sheldon
God was distracted by Charlotte
Look at the Miller-Urey experiment of the 1950s.
HeadSet saysGod was distracted by Charlotte
Who is Charlotte?
Billions of years stirring and mixing together in primordial soup is a LONG TIME, incomprehensible to human time scales. Look at the Miller-Urey experiment of the 1950s. They mixed together a couple of simple chemicals they thought likely to be present on early Earth, added lightning, and voila, soon had complex amino acids and crudely self replicating molecules.
Data does not arise naturally in any other circumstance, it needs organization.
You'd change your tune real quick when you see how a chip gets routed. It's done through what is called simulated annealing.
Chips are intelligently designed, however. Simulated annealing is the end result of millennium of directed human intelligence.
The Boltzmann Constant is another one of those exceptionally "lucky" fine-tuned constants. And expressed by math, another long and complex chain of knowledge due to intelligent actors.
If one threw around a bunch of plane parts, the argument goes, eventually - with billions of years in time - one would get a functional plane, once.
However, who made the plane parts? Why is it when fit together properly, a plane can be flown? But in most/all other of the countless configurations 1000s of parts could have, not very useful.
When we see data so well organized, it generally has a Creator. Crystal lattices are nothing compared to the variations of DNA in terms of multilayering, omnidirectionality, reproduction and variance, etc.
My point is from a simple set of rules, complexity can be created that far outstrips a human's ability to create the complexity through just randomness and selection over generations.
That's NOT the argument and you damned well know it. Some organism develops the ability to float or to glide, like a squirrel. It gives them a slight survival advantage and in 30 million years time, squirrels might be flying around in the sky because the genetics not only proliferates but becomes more common in successive generations to expand this ability.
If we lived in a universe that couldn't support out existence, we couldn't contemplate it.
This is making an assumption of "who". Who did X? The correct question is WHAT caused X to happen?
Some life is pretty damn tough and could survive in space, like tardigrades, or even just mold spores. I think it's possible that spores of some kind just drifted down to earth. Maybe more are arriving all the time.
Automan Empire saysLook at the Miller-Urey experiment of the 1950s.
That was junk science proving absolutely nothing. In fact it’s been repeatedly debunked.
Automan Empire saysLook at the Miller-Urey experiment of the 1950s.
That was junk science proving absolutely nothing. In fact it’s been repeatedly debunked.
This is simple mathematics, folks. Life is irreducible complex.
For even a single 35,000 atom molecule of a base DNA pair to be spontaneously “made” would be extremely unlikely, perhaps one in a billion. For it to acquire other similarly formed base pairs, and then the cellular machinery that allows it to replicate and form proteins is unlikely to have happened in 10 billion years.
Here's an interesting thing to do - compare the skeleton of a human being to any other mammal
Compare the human anatomy with that of a frog.
It's like you're looking at the finished outcome of billions of years of evolution in a snapshot of how-it-sits-today, can't imagine ALL the incremental steps and evolutionary blind alleys between primordial soup and now, and dismiss it as "Too complicated to have arisen spontaneously!"
Actually what I was saying is the very smallest least complicated example of life we know about is irreducibly complex. I’m not debating about how life forms can evolve and change over millennia and millions of years. I’m making the statement that NO MODEL currently understood by the most highly educated biologists in the world can adequately explain how the FIRST life came to be, in whatever form that took.
Have you heard of the Dunning-Krueger effect?
A billion years is a really long time.
Not only is a billion years a really long time, the processing is happening in parallel. Quadrillions or whatever ridiculously large number of molecules are bouncing around in the ocean and lakes all the time. Once a magic self-propagating formula happens to appear, then things could really take off as the better versions survive longer and reproduce more.
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