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mell says

Merck will release the pill soon

Is that the one that works via the same mechanism as ivermectin but is far more expensive?

chris
@charmchris3
Oct 1
When paramedics, nurses and drs are willing to lose their jobs, to stand against mandates that violate body autonomy, thats when you have health professionals practicing medicine with ethics.

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/charmchris3/status/1443836953539923970#m

https://reclaimthenet.org/hospitals-struggle-with-staff-shortages-after-vaccine-passport-mandates/

COVID vaccine passports are being used by governments all over the world to increase vaccination rates and encourage more people to receive the vaccine. As would be expected, the result has been an increased proportion of employees quitting their jobs rather than being compelled to show a vaccine passport to be able to work.

In particular, hospital staff shortages are becoming more prevalent across the country as unvaccinated workers are choosing to leave their employment after the Biden administration mandated that the approximately 17 million workers in health institutions that receive federal Medicare or Medicaid funding have to show a vaccine passport or lose their jobs.

As a result of this, departments of hospitals are closing or reducing healthcare services due to staff shortages caused by the mandates.

With hospitals already stretched thin, the sudden drop in workforce is the difference between some services being halted or discontinued due to a lack of manpower.

Due to a staffing deficit caused by personnel quitting over vaccine regulations, at least one hospital in upstate New York has had to halt maternity treatment and deliveries.

Also, hospital rooms aren’t getting clean sheets and the cafeteria can’t provide hot food due to a staffing deficit in at least one scenario.

Another report from Indiana describes a situation similar to that in North Carolina and New York, with healthcare personnel departing to escape obligatory vaccination.

Moreover, KCBD reports that Brownfield Regional Medical Center in Texas may have to close if the federal vaccine mandate is enforced because of the large number of employees who could resign.

Jerry Jasper, The CEO at Brownfield Regional Medical Center stated to KCBD that “Probably 20 to 25 percent of my staff will have to go away if that’s the case.”

Another CEO, Gerald Cayer of the Lewis County Health System expressed hope that this is a transitory issue as he works with the state Department of Health to prevent the maternity unit from permanently closing because six of the hospital’s maternity unit employees resigned to avoid receiving the COVID-19 vaccine.

“There are 165 hospital employees who have not received a COVID-19 vaccine, which is 27% of the workforce, the other 73%, or 464 employees, have already received the vaccine. If we can pause the service and now focus on recruiting nurses who are vaccinated, we will be able to re engage in delivering babies here in Lewis County,” he said.

Additionally, a representative of Indiana University Health, Indiana’s largest hospital system with over thirty thousand employees, told Newsweek that “125 employees, the equivalent of 61 full-time employees, chose not to receive the COVID-19 vaccine and have left the organization.”

The situation will likely become more acute in the coming months when an increasing number of mandates take effect this month and in November.

Fuck the system! Burn it down! And burn down the vaxxed sick with it!

richwicks says

WineHorror1 says

WookieMan says

What the fuck are we doing?

Ask the devil, he's in charge right now.

No. He's not.

We are in charge.

It's the continual war. I was the biggest most vocal atheist 15 years ago. I would have attacked your reasoning and thinking process if you expressed you had belief in ANY god then, and I was extremely effective at doing this, and I had and still have sound arguments.

But I was wrong. It appears that there is a true war between good and evil. Whether this transcends our mortality, I don't know, but it's there. I cannot deny it now. The war on this, it will never end. It's a struggle of our species.

I think we must be improving. We are in a far more gentle and peaceful society than we were 200 or 2000 years ago. I have great hope and confidence...

You may be ready to read "The Great Controversy"...https://www.end-times-prophecy.org/GreatControversy.pdf.

That link is a download of the 404 page book.

You may be ready for a movie called "God is not dead" also.

Shaman says

Fuck the system! Burn it down! And burn down the vaxxed sick with it!

I'm beginning to think that FIRE is the best disinfectant.



da bear

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2021/09/30/in-a-dramatic-turn-the-once-herald-nurses-and-healthcare-workers-are-being-fired-for-not-getting-their-vaccination-shots/

In A Dramatic Turn, The Once-Heralded Nurses And Healthcare Workers Are Being Fired For Not Getting Their Vaccination Shots

https://notthebee.com/article/maine-hospital-suspends-trauma-and-pediatric-admissions-due-to-staff-shortages-brought-on-by-governors-draconian-vaccine-mandate-so-maybe-this-isnt-all-about-saving-lives-after-all

The country is down over 500000 healthcare workers since February 2020.

Oh, on September's job report it lost even more healthcare jobs.

Until recently healthcare was growing jobs every month.

Everyone should giggle about how many healthcare workers we're gonna lose in October.

Uhhh, as a hint ... don't get sick.

Misc says

Uhhh, as a hint ... don't get sick.

This is what I have been telling people for the past few months. It's not a joke.

Remove as much dependency on this system as you can. Parts of it won't be available to you, will be incompetent and likely to harm you, or will be reconfigured to deliberately harm you.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/minnesota-hospital-shuts-down-er-and-urgent-care-amid-nurse-strike_4054839.html?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net

Minnesota Hospital Shuts Down ER and Urgent Care Amid Nurse Strike
BY JACK PHILLIPS October 18, 2021

A hospital in Minnesota confirmed it temporarily shut down its emergency room and urgent care facility due to a nurse strike.

Patrick says

It's like they're actively trying to piss people off.

Or provoke/establish a narrative to link gun ownership and the unvaxxed by villifying them as violent extremists with a hoaxed or real 'active shooter' situation in a former place of employment.

Karloff says

Parts of it won't be available to you, will be incompetent and likely to harm you, or will be reconfigured to deliberately harm you.

Wasn't and hasn't been adequate in my short lifetime. That's including without Covid happening. Everything is business and trying to extract money from you. Healthcare has ZERO interest in making you healthy. Big Pharma creates pills and medication that damage organs and cause you harm.

Docs are really only good with trauma treatment and some cancer treatments. I'm making a blanket statement, but generally most ailments can be taken care of at home without a doctor visit. 90% of ailments could also be avoided with proper health, sleep, diet, etc.

HunterTits says

Firing 34% of the the nation's entire workforce in the name of vaxx mandates during a time of severe labor shortages also doesn't make sense.

But that is life in Libtard-controlled America.

Economic suicide always seems to be central to leftist thought.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/health-care-workers-speak-out-on-why-they-would-rather-lose-their-jobs-than-take-a-covid-19-vaccine_4065164.html?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net

“Health care workers are not taking it because they know that the side effects are real. In urgent care, I have seen myocarditis, cellulitis, [and] unusual neurological symptoms, among a variety of other side effects. I have seen people very ill post-vaccine, and then go on to test positive. The positivity rate for contracting COVID on the vaccinated is very high per the recent studies and what I am seeing in my clinic. A vaccine should work, and it is not working. It should be tested for years on something other than humans before we call it ‘safe and effective.’ There have been over 15,000 deaths from the vaccine that the media is not talking about. I will never take that risk on myself,” Zubiate said.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/kitten-corner-we-had-to-destroy-the/comments

WineHorror1 says

richwicks says

WineHorror1 says

WookieMan says

What the fuck are we doing?

Ask the devil, he's in charge right now.

No. He's not.

We are in charge.

It's the continual war. I was the biggest most vocal atheist 15 years ago. I would have attacked your reasoning and thinking process if you expressed you had belief in ANY god then, and I was extremely effective at doing this, and I had and still have sound arguments.

But I was wrong. It appears that there is a true war between good and evil. Whether this transcends our mortality, I don't know, but it's there. I cannot deny it now. The war on this, it will never end. It's a struggle of our species.

I think we must be improving. We are in a far more gentle and ...

@WineHorror1 - Is this the book you were talking about?

https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/132/toc

You would be aghast at how open I'm willing to read different points of view. I love reading banned books. Except Naked Lunch. The film was fun, the book requires you to be out of your mind on heroin to read.

The Naked Lunch is nuts, the movie Naked Lunch was more like Junky, another Burroughs book.

If you think the Naked Lunch was insane, try the Wild Boys.

I'm 100% sure the epynomous Duran Duran video was inspired by it... gatling guns on pirate ships, Egyptian avatars, totally fucked up.

Warning: Oozing with pederasty and disgustingness.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Warning: Oozing with pederasty and disgustingness.

Oh! So like Dizzey's Pinocchio.

richwicks says

@WineHorror1 - Is this the book you were talking about?

https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/132/toc

You would be aghast at how open I'm willing to read different points of view. I love reading banned books. Except Naked Lunch. The film was fun, the book requires you to be out of your mind on heroin to read.

@richwicks - sorry for the late reply. Yeah, that's it. In fact, I think I'll listen to it on Spotify myself.

It's also on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF1XqXrDvro

WineHorror1 says

It's also on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF1XqXrDvro

Mmm, I'm grabbing it now.

Youtube has rate limited me, but I'll get it in time.

How interesting, 15 years ago I'd be giving your crap. I have to be honest, I don't agree with you, but I'm not in opposition to your viewpoint even when I disagree with it.

A hard science education, it destroys faith, and questions the usefulness of faith. Jesuits are very well educated, they are in the religious order, and the rumor is that more than 1/2 of them are atheists. I'm not as well educated as them. I think your faith is useful for society, even though I ultimately think it's incorrect.

Still, I'll listen and learn from any point of view.

richwicks says

WineHorror1 says

It's also on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF1XqXrDvro

Mmm, I'm grabbing it now.

Youtube has rate limited me, but I'll get it in time.

How interesting, 15 years ago I'd be giving your crap. I have to be honest, I don't agree with you, but I'm not in opposition to your viewpoint even when I disagree with it.

A hard science education, it destroys faith, and questions the usefulness of faith. Jesuits are very well educated, they are in the religious order, and the rumor is that more than 1/2 of them are atheists. I'm not as well educated as them. I think your faith is useful for society, even though I ultimately think it's incorrect.

Still, I'll listen and learn from any point of view.

It's just way too difficult for me to believe there is no God.

WineHorror1 says

It's just way too difficult for me to believe there is no God.

Most Atheist pushed Steady State in the first half of the 20th Century. Even Hoyle, who pushed Steady State and invented the mocking term "Big Bang", was converted to soft Deism.

The Universe has a beginning.

Check out the prevalence of Carbon.

Check out how DNA could have possibly come about? It takes specially shaped amino acids, themselves damned rare, having to interlock "just so", and being able to reproduce from square one. The raw chances of that happening are more than the number of elemental particles in the observable universe.

"Eventually, a group of monkeys will type Shakespeare's Macbeth given enough time."

But that's not the first problem - the monkeys FIRST have to hit upon language and letters, invent grammar, stick with both, and build the typewriter. Not only come up with them, keep using all of them simultaneously, and then keep typing for untold amounts of time.

You could restate it: "Eventually monkeys will hit upon semiconductors, build a CPU, build a compiler, generate a computer language, and a compiler, and then will write an application with it, given enough time"

Oh, and there's no junk DNA. Instead, DNA is omnidirectional, multilayered, incredibly complex, sometimes repetitive but often not.

Great book I'm reading: "Return of the God Hypothesis."

Most people never learn that Newton was a very, very religious person who wrote extensively on theology. He's been presented as Saganites as a key figure in the story of Materialism, when he was anything but such a person. In fact, the top criticism of his Gravitational Theory was that he wasn't trying to be materialistic/naturalistic enough.

The amount of fine tuning in the universe is damned odd.

The problem isn't among physicists, but biologists. Most physicists eventually admit there's something fishy in Denmark.

That's why Atheists and Agnostics are now turning to a form of Intelligent Design, postulating a Sheldon, that we live in a Simulation.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

WineHorror1 says

It's just way too difficult for me to believe there is no God.

Most Atheist pushed Steady State in the first half of the 20th Century. Even Hoyle, who pushed Steady State and invented the mocking term "Big Bang", was converted to soft Deism.

The Universe has a beginning.

Check out the prevalence of Carbon.

Check out how DNA could have possibly come about? It takes specially shaped amino acids, themselves damned rare, having to interlock "just so", and being able to reproduce from square one. The raw chances of that happening are more than the number of elemental particles in the observable universe.

"Eventually, a group of monkeys will type Shakespeare's Macbeth given enough time."

But that's not the first problem - the monkeys FIRST have to hit upon language and letters, invent grammar, stick with both,...

This is why I need faith. I simply do not have the intellect to match your comment or research, let alone the memory you possess to recall such things. I "think" I'm pretty good at deduction though and that is how I roll.

The virus will go away when people quit going to the hospital to be treated for the Cold.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

That's why Atheists and Agnostics are now turning to a form of Intelligent Design, postulating a Sheldon, that we live in a Simulation.

Problem for the atheists with this model is that it absolutely REQUIRES a Creator! Whoops!

Shaman says

Problem for the atheists with this model is that it absolutely REQUIRES a Creator! Whoops!

Yes, the shear complexity of life even beyond DNA formation implies intelligent design. Consider:

Parasitic horsehair worm that lives in water but has insect hosts. It finds it way through the food chain to be eaten by a grasshopper and then grows several inches long inside the grasshopper's body. Then it releases a chemical that causes the grasshopper to find water to jump in and drown, after which the worm extrudes from the body.

Zombie ant. A fungus infects an ant, then releases a chemical that causes the ant to climb to a high point and die. A tall stem then grows out of the ant's head, then a knob at the top of the stem sheds spores to infect the ants down below.

Parasitic wasps lay eggs under the skin of caterpillars. The wasp larva devour the caterpillar from the inside without killing it. At the right time, the larva releases a chemical that stops the caterpillar from turning into a moth. The larva later devour the whole caterpillar, pupate, then fly off the mate and find the right species of caterpillar to lay eggs in.

Another parasitic wasp paralyzes tarantulas to lay an egg in. The larva know to save the vital organs for last to keep the paralyzed spider alive long enough for the larva to pupate and fly off.

Now consider how many animals munch other animals in order to survive.

Very complex systems that imply a designer, but not a kind soul. One could say the Devil made the world while God was distracted by Charlotte.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Check out how DNA could have possibly come about? It takes specially shaped amino acids, themselves damned rare, having to interlock "just so", and being able to reproduce from square one. The raw chances of that happening are more than the number of elemental particles in the observable universe.

I dispute the math of your odds there. Billions of years stirring and mixing together in primordial soup is a LONG TIME, incomprehensible to human time scales. Look at the Miller-Urey experiment of the 1950s. They mixed together a couple of simple chemicals they thought likely to be present on early Earth, added lightning, and voila, soon had complex amino acids and crudely self replicating molecules. Though the starting mixture they used was subsequently determined to be a poor model for early earth, revised experiments still produce complex amino acids out of simple gases and liquids as building blocks, ON A SCALE OF DAYS. This proves the principle that the building blocks of life "spontaneously arising" isn't as rare or implausible or at mathematically impossible odds as Deists make it out to be, usually with a toss of their hands.

I might buy the hypothesis that higher life forms came from intelligent design elsewhere and earth was at some point "seeded" with DNA. This manner of "god" has ZERO connection to literally everything all the religions of Earth have come up with over thousands of years. It would be amusing to see the reaction of actual "superior beings" from elsewhere when they hear how humans conceptualize them, and how seriously some worship the alien golden calf Strawgod they imagined them to actually be.

Can anyone explain timelessness and where primordial soup came from?

WineHorror1 says

Can anyone explain timelessness and where primordial soup came from?

IDK what you mean by "timelessness." Are you referring to time scales incomprehensible relative to a human second-to-lifetime?

"Primordial soup" is the base stock of simple, inorganic chemicals that existed and evolved over time abiotically before any forms of "life" arose. It was made of the original elements that agglomerated together to form the original proto-Earth, and changed over time from chemical reactions and energy inputs from insolation, volcanism, radioactive decay mainly. For over a billion years (guessing here) there existed a reducing atmosphere with no free oxygen. Life as we know it (outside a few simple extremophiles) couldn't exist then even if the fully assembled DNA sequences were magically transported there by the cubic mile. The "primordial soup" originally consisted of simple elements like nitrogen and carbon dioxide atmosphere, over time it changed to include nitrates and sulfides and much later, free oxygen thanks to biotic processes. The "soup" was god knows what liquids in different places and times. The building blocks of nucleic acids may have been delivered on comets and meteors according to some, but chemically can form just as well from earthly pools of hydrogen cyanide.

Automan Empire says

WineHorror1 says

Can anyone explain timelessness and where primordial soup came from?

IDK what you mean by "timelessness." Are you referring to time scales incomprehensible relative to a human second-to-lifetime?

"Primordial soup" is the base stock of simple, inorganic chemicals that existed and evolved over time abiotically before any forms of "life" arose. It was made of the original elements that agglomerated together to form the original proto-Earth, and changed over time from chemical reactions and energy inputs from insolation, volcanism, radioactive decay mainly. For over a billion years (guessing here) there existed a reducing atmosphere with no free oxygen. Life as we know it (outside a few simple extremophiles) couldn't exist then even if the fully assembled DNA sequences were magically transported there by the cubic mile. The "primordial soup" originally consisted of simple...

Yeah but while the big bang is controversial these days as well as the continuous expansion vs eventual contraction (as previously thought) to the pre-state, who engineered that state which made it all possible? Surely a Creator / creative force.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

postulating a Sheldon

Who is Sheldon?

HeadSet says

God was distracted by Charlotte

Who is Charlotte?

The one thing I don't have any good explanation for is consciousness.

I'm pretty sure it's related to recursion. A de-brained cockroach can still scurry away from light, as the photo receptors directly drive the legs. But then you can imagine an intermediate layer of brain which creates the perception of perception. A loop.

Maybe if you point a video camera at its own output monitor (very cool, btw) you see the recursion. Maybe there is some kind of consciousness created in that moment.

But that doesn't explain subjective perception.

I'm pretty sure the Buddhists are on to something when they say that self is just an idea, and not an objective reality.

Pain and pleasure all revolve around the idea of less self or more self.

Things that are painful if considered as resulting in less self can suddenly be perceived as pleasurable if re-interpreted as meaning more self.

And self can include other selves, which is the definition of love imho.

I go on about it ad nauseum here (a little embarrassing, but it's what I really think so far):

https://patrick.net/post/1336214/2020-10-31-how-things-are

I could be wrong about anything or everything of course.

I imagine he's talking about Charlotte of Charlotte's Web fame.

Automan Empire says

Look at the Miller-Urey experiment of the 1950s.

That was junk science proving absolutely nothing. In fact it’s been repeatedly debunked.

Patrick says

HeadSet says

God was distracted by Charlotte

Who is Charlotte?

From the Marvel Comic "Lucifer" and the TV show by the same name, Charlotte is God's wife.

Automan Empire says

Billions of years stirring and mixing together in primordial soup is a LONG TIME, incomprehensible to human time scales. Look at the Miller-Urey experiment of the 1950s. They mixed together a couple of simple chemicals they thought likely to be present on early Earth, added lightning, and voila, soon had complex amino acids and crudely self replicating molecules.

Life on Earth began at least 4 BYA, almost immediately after it wasn't a hot burning sphere of lava. The Earth is about 4.7 Billion Years Old.

This is another problem for biologists; only 300 MYA between hellscape and first life forms. Not enough time for those monkeys of random chance to suddenly create a letters, words, spelling, a language, and a mechanism to reproduce it endlessly.

Let's go to Miller-Urey:

Amino Acids ain't Life, Neither is Protein

The molecules were ultra simple amino acids which weren't life.

Amino Acids aren't Proteins, which aren't life. Tholins have been found on space objects and are not living.

If Tholins were life, with DNA/RNA, we'd already know the answer to extraterrestrial life. They don't have DNA/RNA and amino acids aren't life.

The molecules weren't self-replicating.

The molecules lacked Chirality, which is "handedness" or the ability to seamlessly combine.

DNA contains ultra-specific proteins which a very particular shape; DNA has Chirality.

Without chirality, you're not getting a double helix.

In fact all the molecules found in the experiment don't have "R" or "Right Handed" Chirality at all. All life on Earth has Right Handed Chirality.

Information
Amino Acids are a building block of life in the same way trees are the building blocks of a Norwegian Stave Church. However, getting from the Wood to the Church takes a shitload of steps - INFORMATION or CODE - which Amino Acids don't have. From chopping to stacking to debarking to creating boards to measuring the exact fit, creating multiple pieces of different sizes, connecting them in different ways, and so on and so forth.

Data does not arise naturally in any other circumstance, it needs organization.

"But evolution". Right, but the data already exists.

The other issue with evolution is the sudden explosion of entirely new forms of life without any gradual changes. Not a species or two of 'missing links', but entirely new forms of life without any intermediate species that is a plausible fit.

To be clear, this isn't going from a part-time bipedal monkey to an early hominid with a gap between. This is going from Multicellular Bacteria to Trilobites in a 20 Million Year Period.

Consider the evolution of Apes to Humans being at least 9MYA from a common ancestor, a far smaller change in form.

The Cambrian Explosion has long puzzled biologists.

Where did all the new forms - the new data - to create new forms come from?

Atmosphere
Miller-Udey supporters have been in denial of several facts about the Early Earth Atmosphere.

One is that the early earth probably lacked Methane, and was mostly Nitrogen with some CO2, a bit of water and trace free hydrogen. It did however have trace Oxygen of chemical origin.

When you conduct the same experiment under those conditions, you get nothing If you take out all water molecules, you'll get a little glycine - one amino acid.

Miller-Urey assumed an atmosphere very high in free hydrogen, which simply didn't exist on Early Earth.

It was not a purely reducing atmosphere. It took biologists about 30 years to finally accept the fact that Early Earth was not completely oxygen free long after physicists and chemists and geologists accepted the evidence.

If there was a primordial soup, there would be abundant evidence of nitrogen rich products in precambrian rock, which have not been found.

Time
The appearance of life within a few hundred million years of the Earth's Formation, the Cambrian Explosion which puzzled Darwin himself and has never been answered adequately --- the key element is TIME.

Naturalistic explanations require time - and the OOL and the Complexity of Life didn't have it in spades.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Data does not arise naturally in any other circumstance, it needs organization.

You'd change your tune real quick when you see how a chip gets routed. It's done through what is called simulated annealing.

In a few hours, or days, a chip with millions of transistors and wires is optimized for the least space used on the silicon. The result is VASTLY superior than what any team of human beings can produce, over years.

The problem you're hitting is what you consider "data" and "organization".

The origin of life will probably forever be a mystery on Earth.

If you look at a crystal, you might think "this is highly organized" because it is in a lattice structure. But it has no data. If you look at an amorphous solid and the organization of the molecules, it might be entirely random, or it might contain information.

Compressed data, LOOKS random. If you look at a compressed, I dunno film, and do statistical analysis on it, it will appear to be entirely random data.

richwicks says

You'd change your tune real quick when you see how a chip gets routed. It's done through what is called simulated annealing.

Chips are intelligently designed, however. Simulated annealing is the end result of millennium of directed human intelligence.

The Boltzmann Constant is another one of those exceptionally "lucky" fine-tuned constants. And expressed by math, another long and complex chain of knowledge due to intelligent actors. Monte Carlo/Markov Chains came about after 6 million years of Hominids efforts.

If one threw around a bunch of plane parts, the argument goes, eventually - with billions of years in time - one would get a functional plane, once.

However, who made the plane parts? How could a natural environment produce turbines and glass cockpits? Why is it when fit together properly, a plane can be flown? But in most/all other of the countless configurations 1000s of parts could have, not very useful.

When we see data so well organized, it generally has a Creator. Crystal lattices are nothing compared to the variations of DNA in terms of multilayering, omnidirectionality, reproduction and variance, etc.