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Look, all the talk about "shoot on sight whoever enters a Fed building w/o permission" is sexy and all that, but in reality there must be valid threat to the officer or people whom he protects in order to use deadly force. The need to escalate to the deadly force also might arise when an attempt to arrest the individual deteriorates to the point officers life becomes endangered. Antifa/BLM operatives simply entering a federal building doesn't check all necessary boxes,
let's see you make a good faith effort to approach the standards for argumentation and evidence that the legal system demands
Eric Holder saysLook, all the talk about "shoot on sight whoever enters a Fed building w/o permission" is sexy and all that, but in reality there must be valid threat to the officer or people whom he protects in order to use deadly force. The need to escalate to the deadly force also might arise when an attempt to arrest the individual deteriorates to the point officers life becomes endangered. Antifa/BLM operatives simply entering a federal building doesn't check all necessary boxes,
Exactly. That's why I called what Sunnyvale wrote "casual Whataboutism" and implored him to bring legal standards and precedent to the discussion instead of hypocritical and BS false equivocations.
How is it "whataboutism"? More like recollection of a precedent.
Then there is that argument wrt "lives in danger".
Eric Holder saysThen there is that argument wrt "lives in danger".
The Capitol police and especially the USSS are NOT like regular cops. They are sworn to protect congressmen, President etc, they do NOT fuck around with warning shots or disabling shots, in fact they will literally fight to the death to fulfill their mission.
Automan Empire saysEric Holder saysThen there is that argument wrt "lives in danger".
The Capitol police and especially the USSS are NOT like regular cops. They are sworn to protect congressmen, President etc, they do NOT fuck around with warning shots or disabling shots, in fact they will literally fight to the death to fulfill their mission.
Are you sure? So they have permission to simply drop anyone just for being present in a federal building w/o even attempting to arrest them? I seriously doubt this is true.
I get where you're coming from, but just look. He's getting off, cleared of any wrongdoing, no punishment or anything. If that isn't explicit approval from the government for what he did, I don't know what to tell you.
Automan Empire saysEric Holder saysThen there is that argument wrt "lives in danger".
The Capitol police and especially the USSS are NOT like regular cops. They are sworn to protect congressmen, President etc, they do NOT fuck around with warning shots or disabling shots, in fact they will literally fight to the death to fulfill their mission.
Are you sure? So they have permission to simply drop anyone just for being present in a federal building w/o even attempting to arrest them? I seriously doubt this is true.
I wanted to point out that the officer has glaring issues with his training.
permission to simply drop anyone just for being present in a federal building
Eric Holder sayspermission to simply drop anyone just for being present in a federal building
"Just for being present in a Federal building?" Really?
OK, I see you're not arguing rationally or in good faith here. Peace out.
DhammaStep saysI wanted to point out that the officer has glaring issues with his training.
Do you know how many years the officer was in that position?
There are places on the internet where I participate in good faith discussion of topics like this.
Do you know how many years the officer was in that position?
What is the relevance of that question? Someone can fail miserably at their job on the first day or 30 years in. Being poorly trained and lacking discipline is not something that should be handwaved away, especially when OUR TAXES PAY FOR THEM. We technically don't even know who the officer is.
Automan Empire says
Do you know how many years the officer was in that position?
Too many. Should've been fired for leaving loaded duty weapon in a public restroom.
Chauvin was trained in the knee to neck restraint.
Eric Holder saysAutoman Empire says
Do you know how many years the officer was in that position?
Too many. Should've been fired for leaving loaded duty weapon in a public restroom.
Yep.
Cop Who Killed Ashli Babbitt Never Interviewed By Investigators, Now Back In Charge Of House Security
BY: PAUL SPERRY
JANUARY 12, 2022
Cop Who Killed Ashli Babbitt Never Interviewed By Investigators, Now Back In Charge Of House SecurityWhile Chauvin rots in jail for trying to arrest an overdosing thug. Something is wrong in America
Lt. Mike Byrd murdered Ashli Babbitt in cold blood.
Federal Government Sued for $30 Million over ‘Wrongful Death’ of Ashli Babbitt
Political watchdog group Judicial Watch has now filed a wrongful death suit for $30 million against the federal government for the shooting of Babbitt at the Capitol.
The conservative public interest firm filed the lawsuit in federal district court in southern California on behalf of Babbitt’s husband, Aaron Babbitt, and her estate.
https://slaynews.com/news/federal-government-sued-30m-wrongful-death-ashli-babbitt/
Federal Government Sued for $30 Million over ‘Wrongful Death’ of Ashli Babbitt
Political watchdog group Judicial Watch has now filed a wrongful death suit for $30 million against the federal government for the shooting of Babbitt at the Capitol.
The conservative public interest firm filed the lawsuit in federal district court in southern California on behalf of Babbitt’s husband, Aaron Babbitt, and her estate.
A federal judge has ordered the Justice Department to “answer” charges in a $30 million wrongful death suit on behalf of Ashli Babbitt, the 35-year-old Trump supporter shot dead as she entered a lobby just off the House floor during the Jan. 6 Capitol riots.
In a sign that the case filed by Babbitt’s estate and Washington-based Judicial Watch has been greenlighted, U.S. District Court Judge Ana C. Reyes gave the government a month to address four of the seven counts in the lawsuit.
Those four include the “wrongful” death count as well as negligence and assault and battery claims against then-U.S. Capitol Police Lt. Michael Byrd.
The judge also said she would listen to further pleas from Judicial Watch to have the trial heard in San Diego, home to Babbitt’s husband. A court there sent the case to Washington, where most of the Jan. 6 cases have been heard.
“Ashli Babbitt’s family is thrilled the $30 million wrongful death lawsuit for her outrageous killing is moving full speed ahead,” Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said.
Patrick says
https://slaynews.com/news/federal-government-sued-30m-wrongful-death-ashli-babbitt/
Federal Government Sued for $30 Million over ‘Wrongful Death’ of Ashli Babbitt
Political watchdog group Judicial Watch has now filed a wrongful death suit for $30 million against the federal government for the shooting of Babbitt at the Capitol.
The conservative public interest firm filed the lawsuit in federal district court in southern California on behalf of Babbitt’s husband, Aaron Babbitt, and her estate.
Prediction: it will be quetly settled for a non-disclosed sum.
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