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Patrick
2021 Aug 26, 6:40pm
Patrick
2021 Aug 26, 6:40pm
Good point, maybe the 26" barrel is too long to be practical for spinning around, but I'm probably not going to be spinning around.
I thought it was relatively short:
https://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2020/11/9/reviewed-rock-island-armory-all-generations-pump-action-shotgun
I thought it was relatively short:
For our testing, we sought the middle ground and went with the new 20-gauge model that is built with a short field barrel measuring 26 inches.
https://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2020/11/9/reviewed-rock-island-armory-all-generations-pump-action-shotgun
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GNL
2021 Aug 26, 7:25pm
GNL
2021 Aug 26, 7:25pm
Just my opinion but, every man should own a gun. A man's #1 duty is protection.
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rigidmember
2021 Aug 26, 8:05pm
rigidmember
2021 Aug 26, 8:05pm
WineHorror1 says
Why stop at one? Isn't there always a reason to buy another? Shotgun, rifle and handgun. I have a 9mm but really want a 45, sounds like a dilemma. Solution? Buy a new gun. Wow that stainless 357 mag is super nice, buy a new gun. Make sure you have a safe large enough to allow for new additions to the Patrick gun family.
Just my opinion but, every man should own a gun. A man's #1 duty is protection.
Why stop at one? Isn't there always a reason to buy another? Shotgun, rifle and handgun. I have a 9mm but really want a 45, sounds like a dilemma. Solution? Buy a new gun. Wow that stainless 357 mag is super nice, buy a new gun. Make sure you have a safe large enough to allow for new additions to the Patrick gun family.
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Bd6r
2021 Aug 26, 8:14pm
Bd6r
2021 Aug 26, 8:14pm
Patrick says
just buy another fucking gun, you know as well as all of us that you will do it @Patrick
Good point, maybe the 26" barrel is too long to be practical for spinning around, but I'm probably not going to be spinning around.
just buy another fucking gun, you know as well as all of us that you will do it @Patrick
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Bd6r
2021 Aug 26, 8:47pm
Bd6r
2021 Aug 26, 8:47pm
Patrick says
Of course, I went through it last year. You'll be surprised how easy your wife will agree, provided that it is not several guns per month and that you can give a BS argument why you need 2, then 3, then 5 guns at home.
Lol, I suspect you're right already.
Of course, I went through it last year. You'll be surprised how easy your wife will agree, provided that it is not several guns per month and that you can give a BS argument why you need 2, then 3, then 5 guns at home.
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SunnyvaleCA
2021 Aug 26, 10:02pm
richwicks says
Worse, crossbows probably shouldn't be strung for long periods of time. Stringing can be extremely difficult.
Crossbows can't be cocked for a long time.
Worse, crossbows probably shouldn't be strung for long periods of time. Stringing can be extremely difficult.
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HeadSet
2021 Aug 27, 8:04am
HeadSet
2021 Aug 27, 8:04am
Hey, ain't you guys engineers?
How hard would it be to build something that no one knows is a weapon? A spring loaded device that shoots a bolt of some sort. If not a bolt, how about a charged capacitor that delivers a high voltage shock (got that idea from a "trick" my dad and his buddies would do - charge up a AA battery-sized jelly role capacitor, then while holding it by one of the end wires, toss it to someone saying "here, catch." The catcher would of course end up coming into contact with both wires while catching the capacitor and thus get zapped). How about super soaker type gun filled with Carolina Reaper juice?
How hard would it be to build something that no one knows is a weapon? A spring loaded device that shoots a bolt of some sort. If not a bolt, how about a charged capacitor that delivers a high voltage shock (got that idea from a "trick" my dad and his buddies would do - charge up a AA battery-sized jelly role capacitor, then while holding it by one of the end wires, toss it to someone saying "here, catch." The catcher would of course end up coming into contact with both wires while catching the capacitor and thus get zapped). How about super soaker type gun filled with Carolina Reaper juice?
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Bd6r
2021 Aug 27, 9:45am
Bd6r
2021 Aug 27, 9:45am
HeadSet says
buying gun is easier and more efficient methinks
Hey, ain't you guys engineers?
How hard would it be to build something that no one knows is a weapon? A spring loaded device that shoots a bolt of some sort. If not a bolt, how about a charged capacitor that delivers a high voltage shock (got that idea from a "trick" my dad and his buddies would do - charge up a AA battery-sized jelly role capacitor, then while holding it by one of the end wires, toss it to someone saying "here, catch." The catcher would of course end up coming into contact with both wires while catching the capacitor and thus get zapped). How about super soaker type gun filled with Carolina Reaper juice?
buying gun is easier and more efficient methinks
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SunnyvaleCA
2021 Aug 27, 10:33am
HeadSet says
Well played, sir!
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/12/22/5-homemade-shotguns-handed-100-gun-give-back/
How hard would it be to build something that no one knows is a weapon? A spring loaded device that shoots a bolt of some sort.The main reason to make your own weapon at home is to take advantage of "gun buyback" programs.
Well played, sir!
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/12/22/5-homemade-shotguns-handed-100-gun-give-back/
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zzyzzx
2021 Aug 27, 10:36am
zzyzzx
2021 Aug 27, 10:36am
Bd6r says
Ever watch the movie Death Wish 3? One guy is using a home-made shotgun.
How hard would it be to build something that no one knows is a weapon?
Ever watch the movie Death Wish 3? One guy is using a home-made shotgun.
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2021 Aug 27, 10:40am
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2021 Aug 27, 10:40am
Patrick says
Shotguns are fine, best for home defense.
I prefer Glock 26 if you can get a CCW permit. Small and easy to conceal. Wife can use it too, no safety clip either, so not having to worry about having to do anything in emergency. And there are really good ways to hide it in and have it easily accessible in case someone busts through the door unexpectedly.
What are my choices?
Remaining unarmed seems more dangerous at this point.
Shotguns are fine, best for home defense.
I prefer Glock 26 if you can get a CCW permit. Small and easy to conceal. Wife can use it too, no safety clip either, so not having to worry about having to do anything in emergency. And there are really good ways to hide it in and have it easily accessible in case someone busts through the door unexpectedly.
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Patrick
2021 Aug 28, 11:50pm
Patrick
2021 Aug 28, 11:50pm
Seems I'm not alone in my worry that the leftists are about to get very violent. Even more violent than leftists usually are.
https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1431717611042181123#m
Darren
@DarrenOverton2
10h
Replying to @RWMaloneMD
It’s beyond that now Robert, it’s getting sinister now. This is going to end badly
Robert W Malone, MD
@RWMaloneMD
10h
I fear you are correct. Priced a 12 gage the other day...
https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1431717611042181123#m
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AmericanKulak
2021 Aug 29, 5:53am
AmericanKulak
2021 Aug 29, 5:53am
Tenpoundbass says
Yup. That's on my list. I'm going for the Henry Axe though.
It's easy as F to make gunpowder and homemade shells, too.
https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2021/08/27/shotgun-henry-x-model-410-lever-action/
Yup. That's on my list. I'm going for the Henry Axe though.
It's easy as F to make gunpowder and homemade shells, too.
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HeadSet
2021 Aug 29, 7:12am
HeadSet
2021 Aug 29, 7:12am
MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says
If you are talking about the centuries old concoction of charcoal, sulfur, and saltpeter, then yes, you can make it at home. No so sure abut the nitroglycerin based modern smokeless powders, though.
It's easy as F to make gunpowder and homemade shells, too.
If you are talking about the centuries old concoction of charcoal, sulfur, and saltpeter, then yes, you can make it at home. No so sure abut the nitroglycerin based modern smokeless powders, though.
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rocketjoe79
2021 Aug 29, 11:25am
rocketjoe79
2021 Aug 29, 11:25am
HeadSet says
Nitrocellulose? Nitroglycerin is a bit more unstable.
MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou saysIt's easy as F to make gunpowder and homemade shells, too.
If you are talking about the centuries old concoction of charcoal, sulfur, and saltpeter, then yes, you can make it at home. No so sure abut the nitroglycerin based modern smokeless powders, though.
Nitrocellulose? Nitroglycerin is a bit more unstable.
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Bd6r
2021 Aug 29, 8:32pm
Bd6r
2021 Aug 29, 8:32pm
MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says
easier to buy 1000 shells and store them, black powder will eat your gun
Yup. That's on my list. I'm going for the Henry Axe though.
It's easy as F to make gunpowder and homemade shells, too.
easier to buy 1000 shells and store them, black powder will eat your gun
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Bd6r
2021 Aug 29, 8:44pm
Bd6r
2021 Aug 29, 8:44pm
FuckCCP89 says
and one needs to make primer as well, which is non trivial chemically as in not blowing your arms off
Not if youbwash it with hot water and soap. No kidding.
and one needs to make primer as well, which is non trivial chemically as in not blowing your arms off
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richwicks
2021 Aug 29, 9:16pm
richwicks
2021 Aug 29, 9:16pm
HeadSet says
Do NOT attempt to make nitroglycerin. You have to make it in an ice bath, and it's extremely volatile, meaning easy to set off.
This is why I'm interested in compressed gas weapons. They are not explosive, and they are as safe as a gun can be.
Bullets have a self life, compressed gas weapons do not. They are subsonic, which means any target will hear the shot before they are hit by it, but that time is measured in under 1 second. Supersonic weapons, the target hears it AFTER the projectile either hits or passes them.
Compressed gas weapons fire projectiles at near sonic speeds, so there isn't any time to react. No smoke because no ignition.
No so sure abut the nitroglycerin based modern smokeless powders, though.
Do NOT attempt to make nitroglycerin. You have to make it in an ice bath, and it's extremely volatile, meaning easy to set off.
This is why I'm interested in compressed gas weapons. They are not explosive, and they are as safe as a gun can be.
Bullets have a self life, compressed gas weapons do not. They are subsonic, which means any target will hear the shot before they are hit by it, but that time is measured in under 1 second. Supersonic weapons, the target hears it AFTER the projectile either hits or passes them.
Compressed gas weapons fire projectiles at near sonic speeds, so there isn't any time to react. No smoke because no ignition.
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joshuatrio
2021 Sep 13, 12:04pm
joshuatrio
2021 Sep 13, 12:04pm
I'm stocked decently in the CCW department. But with Biden's new tyrannical power grab and bullshit mandates, I decided to get one of those pesky AR's that the left hates... Just for the hell of it.
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stereotomy
2021 Sep 13, 12:16pm
stereotomy
2021 Sep 13, 12:16pm
If I had to do it over again, I'd choose 12 ga, because 20 ga is near impossible to source. You're better off with 12 ga for you and 410 bore for the wife & kids.
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SunnyvaleCA
2021 Sep 13, 12:35pm
stereotomy says
That's a shame, really, as the lighter 20 could be great. It's a catch-22 ... fewer ammunition choices because it's not as popular and it's not as popular because it has fewer ammunition choices.
If I had to do it over again, I'd choose 12 ga, because 20 ga is near impossible to source. You're better off with 12 ga for you and 410 bore for the wife & kids.About the only practical advantage of a 20 ga over the 12 is that the gun itself is somewhat lighter. If you're worried about recoil, then the 12 is probably actually better, since you can find more options in low-recoil ammunition. Just because the 12 is capable of packing more power doesn't mean you have to buy ammunition that takes full advantage of the larger bore.
That's a shame, really, as the lighter 20 could be great. It's a catch-22 ... fewer ammunition choices because it's not as popular and it's not as popular because it has fewer ammunition choices.
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Bd6r
2021 Sep 13, 8:56pm
Bd6r
2021 Sep 13, 8:56pm
joshuatrio says
I am out of gun safe space, which means that I have to discreetly insert a line for 12-18 gun safe purchase in next family budget and hope that I don't get a line-item veto...
Currently I am stocking up on ammunition. Prices went up again because Bidet introduced import restrictions.
As next gun, I am thinking about PSL-54 or something like that, if I can find reasonably priced one.
I'm stocked decently in the CCW department. But with Biden's new tyrannical power grab and bullshit mandates, I decided to get one of those pesky AR's that the left hates... Just for the hell of it.
I am out of gun safe space, which means that I have to discreetly insert a line for 12-18 gun safe purchase in next family budget and hope that I don't get a line-item veto...
Currently I am stocking up on ammunition. Prices went up again because Bidet introduced import restrictions.
As next gun, I am thinking about PSL-54 or something like that, if I can find reasonably priced one.
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2021 Sep 13, 9:17pm
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2021 Sep 13, 9:17pm
Patrick says
was buying ammo recently, stores are still packed with people buying guns, just everyday americans, many korean families too (last part made me chuckle a bit)
Seems I'm not alone in my worry that the leftists are about to get very violent. Even more violent than leftists usually are.
Darren
@DarrenOverton2
10h
Replying to @RWMaloneMD
It’s beyond that now Robert, it’s getting sinister now. This is going to end badly
Robert W Malone, MD
@RWMaloneMD
10h
I fear you are correct. Priced a 12 gage the other day...
https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1431717611042181123#m
was buying ammo recently, stores are still packed with people buying guns, just everyday americans, many korean families too (last part made me chuckle a bit)
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Patrick
2021 Sep 13, 10:48pm
Patrick
2021 Sep 13, 10:48pm
I noticed that too. The gun store was extremely busy, phone ringing all the time.
I see it as a response to Biden deciding that he can violate the Constitution whenever he feels like it, but also as people being worried about yet more leftist violence.
I see it as a response to Biden deciding that he can violate the Constitution whenever he feels like it, but also as people being worried about yet more leftist violence.
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joshuatrio
2021 Sep 14, 5:46am
joshuatrio
2021 Sep 14, 5:46am
Bd6r says
Ammo seems a lot more available than it was a while back. I can find .223 now for about 30-40 cents a round.
20 Guage seems common at Walmart, 9mm was still pricey when I checked...
What are your buy prices per caliber?
joshuatrio saysI'm stocked decently in the CCW department. But with Biden's new tyrannical power grab and bullshit mandates, I decided to get one of those pesky AR's that the left hates... Just for the hell of it.
I am out of gun safe space, which means that I have to discreetly insert a line for 12-18 gun safe purchase in next family budget and hope that I don't get a line-item veto...
Currently I am stocking up on ammunition. Prices went up again because Bidet introduced import restrictions.
As next gun, I am thinking about PSL-54 or something like that, if I can find reasonably priced one.
Ammo seems a lot more available than it was a while back. I can find .223 now for about 30-40 cents a round.
20 Guage seems common at Walmart, 9mm was still pricey when I checked...
What are your buy prices per caliber?
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GNL
2021 Sep 14, 6:09am
GNL
2021 Sep 14, 6:09am
joshuatrio says
Do you have a link to .223/5.56 for 30 cents/round?
Ammo seems a lot more available than it was a while back. I can find .223 now for about 30-40 cents a round.
Do you have a link to .223/5.56 for 30 cents/round?
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Bd6r
2021 Sep 14, 6:13am
Bd6r
2021 Sep 14, 6:13am
joshuatrio says
This has the best prices I have been able to find: https://ammoseek.com/
9 mm, one can get 36-40 cents/round; but I would avoid reloads.
Prices have gone up in last 2 weeks somewhat, especially for Russian-produced ammo (7.62x39)
What are your buy prices per caliber?
This has the best prices I have been able to find: https://ammoseek.com/
9 mm, one can get 36-40 cents/round; but I would avoid reloads.
Prices have gone up in last 2 weeks somewhat, especially for Russian-produced ammo (7.62x39)
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joshuatrio
2021 Sep 14, 8:16am
joshuatrio
2021 Sep 14, 8:16am
Bd6r says
Yeah it's steel, but brass is 48 cents a round. It was yesterday anyways....
https://gun.deals/category/ammo?caliber=11&dir=asc&sort=price
I just picked up 1000 rounds of this: https://2awarehouse.com/igman-223-rem-55gr-full-metal-jacket-brass-1-000rd-case/
joshuatrio saysWhat are your buy prices per caliber?
This has the best prices I have been able to find: https://ammoseek.com/
9 mm, one can get 36-40 cents/round; but I would avoid reloads.
Prices have gone up in last 2 weeks somewhat, especially for Russian-produced ammo (7.62x39)
Yeah it's steel, but brass is 48 cents a round. It was yesterday anyways....
https://gun.deals/category/ammo?caliber=11&dir=asc&sort=price
I just picked up 1000 rounds of this: https://2awarehouse.com/igman-223-rem-55gr-full-metal-jacket-brass-1-000rd-case/
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Patrick
2021 Sep 14, 10:30am
Patrick
2021 Sep 14, 10:30am
@WineHorror1 Not yet, but I'm going to take a shotgun course and go to a local range to practice.
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GNL
2021 Sep 14, 11:19am
GNL
2021 Sep 14, 11:19am
Patrick says
I'm going to bug you until you do. Aren't you retired now. Time's a waist'n. 🙂
@WineHorror1 Not yet, but I'm going to take a shotgun course and go to a local range to practice.
I'm going to bug you until you do. Aren't you retired now. Time's a waist'n. 🙂
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joshuatrio
2021 Sep 14, 11:31am
joshuatrio
2021 Sep 14, 11:31am
Patrick says
Time to get your ass in gear @patrick.
@WineHorror1 Not yet, but I'm going to take a shotgun course and go to a local range to practice.
Time to get your ass in gear @patrick.
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rocketjoe79
2021 Sep 14, 1:58pm
rocketjoe79
2021 Sep 14, 1:58pm
This is a great article about Kinetic energy, various loads and weapons, including shotguns. Discussion about home defense, etc. Very informative!!
https://www.thefixer.biz/2013/03/03/shotgun-muzzle-energy/
https://www.thefixer.biz/2013/03/03/shotgun-muzzle-energy/
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The best home defense gun seems to be a shotgun.
Someone said "Try before you buy." How do you do that?
Apparently I need to do the CA Firearm Safety Certificate in the store:
https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/hscman.pdf
I have to have selected my gun before doing the FSC. Then I have to wait 10 days before picking it up.
Recommendations for shotgun models?
Big 5 Sporting Goods carries these:
I assume that's the low end and not very good.
Do shooting ranges allow shotguns? Maybe you go to a skeet place for practice.
https://www.big5sportinggoods.com/store/browse/fishing-and-hunting/hunting/_/N-1z13zm3Zae6