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Blue
2021 Sep 7, 8:30am
ohomen171 says
generally when archaeologists find something, its the narration out of the artifacts counts over 80% to make the finding interesting or not interesting depends on the archaeologist predetermined opinions.
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generally when archaeologists find something, its the narration out of the artifacts counts over 80% to make the finding interesting or not interesting depends on the archaeologist predetermined opinions.
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richwicks
2021 Sep 7, 9:24am
richwicks
2021 Sep 7, 9:24am
Blue says
Archaeology became a bullshit science the 2nd Göbekli Tepe was discovered. Civilization is far older than 9,000 years and most of history is lost to us.
generally when archaeologists find something, its the narration out of the artifacts counts over 80% to make the finding interesting or not interesting depends on the archaeologist predetermined opinions.
Archaeology became a bullshit science the 2nd Göbekli Tepe was discovered. Civilization is far older than 9,000 years and most of history is lost to us.
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NuttBoxer
2021 Sep 7, 2:58pm
NuttBoxer
2021 Sep 7, 2:58pm
My history teacher told us anything further back than around 2,700 BC was pure speculation. Although it's been 20 years since college...
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richwicks
2021 Sep 7, 4:26pm
richwicks
2021 Sep 7, 4:26pm
NuttBoxer says
He might be kind of full of crap (but maybe not?) but Graham Hancock I found interesting to listen to. He believes some catastrophic event destroyed a (relatively) advanced civilization a few 10's of thousands of years ago. That it was a global civilization, similar to technology of the Victorians - they didn't have the technology we do.
His belief is that a comet crashed somewhere in near the Arctic circle putting the survivors back in the stone age. He has some convincing arguments. He's been on Joe Rogan's show a few times and it's compelling, HOWEVER I am not educated enough to be able to call bullshit on him or conclude he's right.
We do have some strange mystery maps. Antarctica was SUPPOSEDLY correctly mapped as it would appear if it didn't have giant ice sheets surrounding it - huge areas of the antarctic that appear to be land are actually ice shelves but an ancient civilization was able to map out its coastline.
https://historydaily.org/ancient-map-shows-antarctica-coastline-without-ice
Now the reason I'm using "supposedly" is that I don't know what Antarctica actually looks like without the ice shelves - so take it with a grain of salt. Popular "history" magazines and television shows (especially television) make up BS all the time. Having said that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piri_Reis_map
If you can still trust wikipedia anymore.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Piri_Reis_map&oldid=94349282
That's the oldest entry I could find for it. Compare differences in the articles if you're interested.
My history teacher told us anything further back than around 2,700 BC was pure speculation. Although it's been 20 years since college...
He might be kind of full of crap (but maybe not?) but Graham Hancock I found interesting to listen to. He believes some catastrophic event destroyed a (relatively) advanced civilization a few 10's of thousands of years ago. That it was a global civilization, similar to technology of the Victorians - they didn't have the technology we do.
His belief is that a comet crashed somewhere in near the Arctic circle putting the survivors back in the stone age. He has some convincing arguments. He's been on Joe Rogan's show a few times and it's compelling, HOWEVER I am not educated enough to be able to call bullshit on him or conclude he's right.
We do have some strange mystery maps. Antarctica was SUPPOSEDLY correctly mapped as it would appear if it didn't have giant ice sheets surrounding it - huge areas of the antarctic that appear to be land are actually ice shelves but an ancient civilization was able to map out its coastline.
https://historydaily.org/ancient-map-shows-antarctica-coastline-without-ice
Now the reason I'm using "supposedly" is that I don't know what Antarctica actually looks like without the ice shelves - so take it with a grain of salt. Popular "history" magazines and television shows (especially television) make up BS all the time. Having said that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piri_Reis_map
If you can still trust wikipedia anymore.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Piri_Reis_map&oldid=94349282
That's the oldest entry I could find for it. Compare differences in the articles if you're interested.
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Patrick
2021 Sep 7, 4:38pm
Patrick
2021 Sep 7, 4:38pm
I think it's possible that we will discover fossilized technology from the time of the dinosaurs. They had millions of years to evolve intelligence and develop technology.
Maybe simple things like hammers and nails, or maybe dinosaur automobiles.
You heard it here first.
Maybe simple things like hammers and nails, or maybe dinosaur automobiles.
You heard it here first.
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Patrick
2021 Sep 7, 4:39pm
Patrick
2021 Sep 7, 4:39pm
And while I'm thinking crazy thoughts, let's say that some advanced dinosaurs did survive, and have power somehow, but also have a big weakness, maybe susceptibility to coronaviruses...
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Patrick
2021 Sep 7, 4:43pm
Patrick
2021 Sep 7, 4:43pm
One more crazy thought: I saw a green fireball over Moffett Field in Oct 2019:
https://patrick.net/post/1328018/2019-10-20-patrick-saw-a-green-fireball-last-night
Maybe the aliens landed and the virus came from them. Or they're afraid of the virus.
OK, back to sanity now: We are indeed being screwed by the Pfizer-government complex. That is true without a doubt.
https://patrick.net/post/1328018/2019-10-20-patrick-saw-a-green-fireball-last-night
Maybe the aliens landed and the virus came from them. Or they're afraid of the virus.
OK, back to sanity now: We are indeed being screwed by the Pfizer-government complex. That is true without a doubt.
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HeadSet
2021 Sep 7, 6:07pm
HeadSet
2021 Sep 7, 6:07pm
On the subject of ancient civilizations - why did none of them develop technology? Long before Rome, Egyptian Pharaoh Ramses had his archeologists examine the them 3,000 year old pyramids. Why during all that time had no progress to develop steam engines, gliders, or other basic tech? Same for China's multi-millennial civilization or even Rome's nearly 1,000 year run. Rome's Army in 50 BC had the same tech as they had in 200 AD. Egypt's pyramids, Rome's aqueducts, and China's wall are impressive, but they are low tech and more a result of massive human level labor.
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Reality
2021 Sep 7, 7:23pm
HeadSet, Ancient civilizations stagnated because they became Universal States. Egyptian city states consolidated into Upper and Lower Egypt, and then became one. Greeko-Roman history saw rapid economic and technological advance during Greek City States period, then first Alexander copied Persian idea of centralized bureaucracy, followed by Romans actually succeeding building the Universal State around the Mediteranean world. Economy and technology stagnated as the consequence. Caesar had to loot the Helvetians, Gauls, Belgicians and Britons in order to pay for the bread and circus at home, quickly followed by the Republic turning into an Empire of Emperors murdering each other. Likewise, almost all Chinese inventions took place during their periods of fragmentation, especially the two big chunks, one almost contemporary to the Greek city states, and the other the couple hundred years before the Mongol conquest. Comes to think of it, the Greek city states from the time of Pythagoras to Aristotle (who was the teacher of Alexander) only lasted a couple hundred years. Just look at our own current civilization cycle: it was the competing European states in the late middle-ages that enabled the competitive environement for new ideas and the scientific revolution; after the WWII government take-over science in the name of world peace and big science, it has taken only half a century to produce the current reality of 3/4 of peer-reviewed published scientific papers being non-repeatable . . . i.e. no longer science but fiction. AGW and "vaccine" mandates have shown every aspect of theology and the theocratic Inquisition.
Patrick, Einstein once said, he didn't know what weapon would be used for WorldWar3, but he believed WorldWar4 would be fought with sticks and stones. If that postulation is factual, how do we know the so-called "agricultural revolution" about 10k years ago wasn't the aftermath and re-bootstrap after a previous advanced civilization fully destroyed by massive warfare scorching the entire earth's surface? Although by the looks of it, the final World War in this civilization cycle might not be WorldWar3 but more like WW5 or WW6, or some kind of "civil war" after the establishment of a Universal State covering the entire earth. Perhaps after some kind of survivable global nuclear war, farming will move indoors under LED lights in order to avoid polluted air, and highly automated . . . then the next WW will destroy infrastructure to such a thorough degree that the survivors won't know how to restart food production.
What's interesting about the 9000yo beer was that it is further proof that grain production started as a cash/trade crop for a hunter-gathering society, not as a staple food as most left-leaning historians/economists assume about trade emerging after food surplus . . . trade and commerce had to be there long before grain production (i.e. fixed-location agricultural society); trade was the driving force behind food "surplus" and grain-producing agricultural society was a result of trade (along major rivers slow-flowing enough to carry grain trade) and what essentially was a plantation-slavery economic system focused on grain export.
Patrick, Einstein once said, he didn't know what weapon would be used for WorldWar3, but he believed WorldWar4 would be fought with sticks and stones. If that postulation is factual, how do we know the so-called "agricultural revolution" about 10k years ago wasn't the aftermath and re-bootstrap after a previous advanced civilization fully destroyed by massive warfare scorching the entire earth's surface? Although by the looks of it, the final World War in this civilization cycle might not be WorldWar3 but more like WW5 or WW6, or some kind of "civil war" after the establishment of a Universal State covering the entire earth. Perhaps after some kind of survivable global nuclear war, farming will move indoors under LED lights in order to avoid polluted air, and highly automated . . . then the next WW will destroy infrastructure to such a thorough degree that the survivors won't know how to restart food production.
What's interesting about the 9000yo beer was that it is further proof that grain production started as a cash/trade crop for a hunter-gathering society, not as a staple food as most left-leaning historians/economists assume about trade emerging after food surplus . . . trade and commerce had to be there long before grain production (i.e. fixed-location agricultural society); trade was the driving force behind food "surplus" and grain-producing agricultural society was a result of trade (along major rivers slow-flowing enough to carry grain trade) and what essentially was a plantation-slavery economic system focused on grain export.
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HeadSet
2021 Sep 7, 7:25pm
HeadSet
2021 Sep 7, 7:25pm
Patrick says
That was a device like an astrolab. I presume it was used to track the sky for navigation. However, a plane old pendulum clock is way more advanced.
The Greeks had fine gears even before Jesus:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Antikythera-mechanism
That was a device like an astrolab. I presume it was used to track the sky for navigation. However, a plane old pendulum clock is way more advanced.
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FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2021 Sep 7, 7:36pm
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2021 Sep 7, 7:36pm
Pretty sure Rick, Will, and Holly Marshall know the answer.
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Patrick
2021 Sep 9, 9:40pm
Patrick
2021 Sep 9, 9:40pm
Yet another crazy thought:
What if the powers that be are really old, like 150 years old, because they discovered something that lets them live longer, but their brains are rotting anyway, and that explains the horrible flip-flopping and incoherent response to the threats to their power?
Certainly Soros looks like he's 150.
What if the powers that be are really old, like 150 years old, because they discovered something that lets them live longer, but their brains are rotting anyway, and that explains the horrible flip-flopping and incoherent response to the threats to their power?
Certainly Soros looks like he's 150.
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richwicks
2021 Sep 10, 11:58pm
richwicks
2021 Sep 10, 11:58pm
HeadSet says
They never had a truly free society, and people in power don't want revolutionary change, as it's a threat to their power and control. I wouldn't be the tiniest bit surprised if some sort of steam engine WAS invented 3000 years ago, and the inventor wasn't promptly executed for it. Inventions are dangerous things to the establishment.
Look at what the Internet did in just 30 years. When I first got on it 32 years ago, it was something nerds used to send email and sometimes a picture. Today, it's demolished "reliable news sources" and has exposed our government as a bunch of criminal dirtbags. Look at how much damage just Julian Assange did. He couldn't have done that 40 years ago.
Our election is now openly questioned, internet companies are committing suicide by imposing censorship in a fruitless attempt to protect the establishment and the narrative.
Television was the largest tool for controlling the masses for 50 years, unquestioned. It told you everything from how to dress to what was socially permissible, and what was going on in the world. Centralized control of the masses is being openly challenged by the Internet. The gateways of Facebook, Twitter, and Google were meant to be controlled choke points. It was expected people would always use just them, but when they attempted to limit conversation an explosion of new companies showed up.
If the censorship didn't exist, or wasn't noticed, there would be no Gab, no Yandex, no Rumble, no Odysee.com, no Parler. Turns out replacing Youtube or Facebook - multi billion dollars companies, can be done with a handful of engineers, and a few million dollars. Makes you wonder why they are billion dollar companies doesn't it?
On the subject of ancient civilizations - why did none of them develop technology? Long before Rome, Egyptian Pharaoh Ramses had his archeologists examine the them 3,000 year old pyramids. Why during all that time had no progress to develop steam engines, gliders, or other basic tech? Same for China's multi-millennial civilization or even Rome's nearly 1,000 year run. Rome's Army in 50 BC had the same tech as they had in 200 AD. Egypt's pyramids, Rome's aqueducts, and China's wall are impressive, but they are low tech and more a result of massive human level labor.
They never had a truly free society, and people in power don't want revolutionary change, as it's a threat to their power and control. I wouldn't be the tiniest bit surprised if some sort of steam engine WAS invented 3000 years ago, and the inventor wasn't promptly executed for it. Inventions are dangerous things to the establishment.
Look at what the Internet did in just 30 years. When I first got on it 32 years ago, it was something nerds used to send email and sometimes a picture. Today, it's demolished "reliable news sources" and has exposed our government as a bunch of criminal dirtbags. Look at how much damage just Julian Assange did. He couldn't have done that 40 years ago.
Our election is now openly questioned, internet companies are committing suicide by imposing censorship in a fruitless attempt to protect the establishment and the narrative.
Television was the largest tool for controlling the masses for 50 years, unquestioned. It told you everything from how to dress to what was socially permissible, and what was going on in the world. Centralized control of the masses is being openly challenged by the Internet. The gateways of Facebook, Twitter, and Google were meant to be controlled choke points. It was expected people would always use just them, but when they attempted to limit conversation an explosion of new companies showed up.
If the censorship didn't exist, or wasn't noticed, there would be no Gab, no Yandex, no Rumble, no Odysee.com, no Parler. Turns out replacing Youtube or Facebook - multi billion dollars companies, can be done with a handful of engineers, and a few million dollars. Makes you wonder why they are billion dollar companies doesn't it?
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HeadSet
2021 Sep 11, 7:46am
HeadSet
2021 Sep 11, 7:46am
richwicks says
Excellent point. But could the gov just shut down internet sites it does not like, just like how it is done in China?
If the censorship didn't exist, or wasn't noticed, there would be no Gab, no Yandex, no Rumble, no Odysee.com, no Parler. Turns out replacing Youtube or Facebook - multi billion dollars companies, can be done with a handful of engineers, and a few million dollars. Makes you wonder why they are billion dollar companies doesn't it?
Excellent point. But could the gov just shut down internet sites it does not like, just like how it is done in China?
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richwicks
2021 Sep 11, 12:36pm
richwicks
2021 Sep 11, 12:36pm
HeadSet says
Yes, in fact we hope they do.
Do you know what bit torrent is and how it works? When you get a file through bit torrent, you might be getting a portion of the file from 20 people, you get a portion of the file from person 1 and another portion from person 2, etc. This means that even if each person has a slow internet connection for upload, you can get the file nearly as fast as your internet can download it.
This is the concept of IPFS - Interplanetary File System. It ONLY serves static web pages, but that will change in time.
We WANT the government to show what violent, traitorous thugs they are. Go ahead government.
Excellent point. But could the gov just shut down internet sites it does not like, just like how it is done in China?
Yes, in fact we hope they do.
Do you know what bit torrent is and how it works? When you get a file through bit torrent, you might be getting a portion of the file from 20 people, you get a portion of the file from person 1 and another portion from person 2, etc. This means that even if each person has a slow internet connection for upload, you can get the file nearly as fast as your internet can download it.
This is the concept of IPFS - Interplanetary File System. It ONLY serves static web pages, but that will change in time.
We WANT the government to show what violent, traitorous thugs they are. Go ahead government.
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HeadSet
2021 Sep 11, 2:06pm
HeadSet
2021 Sep 11, 2:06pm
richwicks says
Can IPFS be indexed? That is, can it be searched by the public? If not, then IPFS is not useful as a form of unbannable web sites, but more of a way for two people to send secret messages to each other.
This is the concept of IPFS - Interplanetary File System.
Can IPFS be indexed? That is, can it be searched by the public? If not, then IPFS is not useful as a form of unbannable web sites, but more of a way for two people to send secret messages to each other.
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richwicks
2021 Sep 11, 4:14pm
richwicks
2021 Sep 11, 4:14pm
HeadSet says
Yes. Probably isn't at this point, but it CAN be certainly. Again, it's a NEW thing. Not enough people are playing with it to bother to make it searchable yet.
At this point, the web pages are static. That means that the webpage can't be updated continuously like this site is for example. All the Internet is a bunch of files, but to complicate things, webpages are dynamically created (Patrick has told me this is SQL and it's dynamically created), so IPFS is in its infancy.
But there's no greater mother of invention than necessity. The more the government tries to crack down, the more solutions that will come into being.
Imagine if the URL https://www.something.com/xxx555.html served the same EXACT file over and over again. Say 10 people accessed that file, and it was cached in their web browser. Even if the original source website went down, there's a HIGH probability you can get the website again from the 10 people who have it temporarily cached. So, it's harder to take down, no single point of failure.
Imagine you're Wikileaks and have PROOF (video proof) of Biden committing a crime. That can go truly viral. First 10 people get it, then 10 more people get it from the people that viewed it, and then 100 people get it from them, now 100,000 are viewing it, then 10,000,000 are viewing it. Many webservers wouldn't be able to keep up with the demand, but on IPFS, it scales out to grabbing the file from all those that have already viewed it.
Imagine you're a small restaurant, and you can just buy a little box, and put your menu online, along with a way to order, and make reservations - this box costs $50. You put it on your restaurant's network, and you fill it up with information, and you're done. That can be done too.
The old internet can come back. It was common in 2000 for people to have like 5 identities. When I was talking politics, I didn't want that identity to be known by people in my dog rescue group for example. That's going to make a comeback.
The Internet was built to be a communication system that could survive a nuclear bomb attack. It's not mean to be centralized at all. It's really a beautifully built system and concept.
richwicks saysThis is the concept of IPFS - Interplanetary File System.
Can IPFS be indexed? That is, can it be searched by the public? If not, then IPFS is not useful as a form of unbannable web sites, but more of a way for two people to send secret messages to each other.
Yes. Probably isn't at this point, but it CAN be certainly. Again, it's a NEW thing. Not enough people are playing with it to bother to make it searchable yet.
At this point, the web pages are static. That means that the webpage can't be updated continuously like this site is for example. All the Internet is a bunch of files, but to complicate things, webpages are dynamically created (Patrick has told me this is SQL and it's dynamically created), so IPFS is in its infancy.
But there's no greater mother of invention than necessity. The more the government tries to crack down, the more solutions that will come into being.
Imagine if the URL https://www.something.com/xxx555.html served the same EXACT file over and over again. Say 10 people accessed that file, and it was cached in their web browser. Even if the original source website went down, there's a HIGH probability you can get the website again from the 10 people who have it temporarily cached. So, it's harder to take down, no single point of failure.
Imagine you're Wikileaks and have PROOF (video proof) of Biden committing a crime. That can go truly viral. First 10 people get it, then 10 more people get it from the people that viewed it, and then 100 people get it from them, now 100,000 are viewing it, then 10,000,000 are viewing it. Many webservers wouldn't be able to keep up with the demand, but on IPFS, it scales out to grabbing the file from all those that have already viewed it.
Imagine you're a small restaurant, and you can just buy a little box, and put your menu online, along with a way to order, and make reservations - this box costs $50. You put it on your restaurant's network, and you fill it up with information, and you're done. That can be done too.
The old internet can come back. It was common in 2000 for people to have like 5 identities. When I was talking politics, I didn't want that identity to be known by people in my dog rescue group for example. That's going to make a comeback.
The Internet was built to be a communication system that could survive a nuclear bomb attack. It's not mean to be centralized at all. It's really a beautifully built system and concept.
Making a toast to honor a dead friend or relative goes back 9,000 years, CNET reported.
Archaeologists uncovered evidence of toasting the deceased with beer in Neolithic China, one of the earliest known instances of ritual alcohol consumption to honor the dead.
Among a trove of painted ancient pots in southern China, researchers noted that seven of the 20 vessels appeared to be long-necked Hu pots that were used to drink alcohol in later historical periods, according to the Independent. In their paper, lead author Jiang Wang and her colleagues analyzed the surfaces inside the pots and found residue of what appeared to be a very old beer.
Wang explained that the brew was made from fermented “(rice) grain called Job’s tears (Coix lacryma-jobi), and unidentified tubers.”
“This ancient beer though would not have been like the IPA (Indian Pale Ale) that we have today,” she added. “Instead, it was likely a slightly fermented and sweet beverage, which was probably cloudy in color.”
Her team noted the process of making the beer was laborious and complicated. At the time, rice domestication and farming were in their early stages and the ancient inhabitants mainly survived on hunting and foraging.
Jiang suggested that the brewing of the beverage was a process of trial and error and that the beer was mainly consumed during rituals such as funerals.
Consequently, the ritualized drinking led to the formation of social bonds between people that would eventually become the foundation of the complex rice farming societies that arrived about 4,000 years later, she speculated.