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Patrick says

These results suggest that conformity can be influenced both by a need to fit in and a belief that other people are smarter or better informed.

Given the level of conformity seen in Asch's experiments, conformity can be even stronger in real-life situations where stimuli are more ambiguous or more difficult to judge.

It's that people believe that authorities are better informed and smarter than they are.

This is why they believed there was a weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq
This is why they believed that Qaddafi was about to cause a humanitarian crisis
This is why they believed Assad was gassing his own people
This is why they believe that Putin is evil and trying to take over the world
This is why they believe we're in a pandemic
This is why they believe the vaccines are beneficial in some way

That's the MAIN feature of our propaganda, and it's breaking down. This was the real purpose of the Internet - it was to expose the people that are supposed authorities, aren't. They are frauds and liars.

Isn't it shocking how many people conform? It's been a real wake up call to me in the last 18 months. I am completely shocked. People I thought would NEVER conform that SHOULD have seen through this bullshit right away, hardly anybody did. Even my normally very skeptical cousin didn't see through it immediately. I'll have to ask if he got vaccinated - his sister did, she had a bad reaction, she refuses to get #2, and she's stuck in Canada. Canada is close to being like Australia.

Dholliday126 says

Milgram Experiment. Stanley Milgram wanted to explore what caused the German people to commit mass genocide in a short duration. His conclusion was that constant positive reinforcement from authority figures can lead a people to do horrible things.

Now put that into current perspective with a coopeted media aligned with an authoritative government targeting the unvaxxinated as scapegoats.

Ye be warned.

Somewhat Debunked. Experiment was sloppy, many hit the button because they knew it was fake, and the more religious were LESS Likely to hit the button.

One thing isn't a "Shock": The most likely button pressers were Female Liberal Arts majors and white collars. That was unpalatable to the spirit of that age or this one, so these results weren't publicized, but buried in the paper.

John Williams, the assistant running the show, handed people dog eared checks. One guy was like "This is like when you go to the bar and somebody gives you a bullshit check and asks for a fraction of it in cash if he signs it over to you". He did NOT follow the procedures most of the time. "Please proceed" "You must proceed". Sometimes he argued, sometimes he browbeat, sometimes he didn't give a shit and let them bail at the first hiccup without saying shit.

Some records and recordings were found in an archive, and Gina Perry wrote a book about it.
https://www.amazon.com/Behind-Shock-Machine-Psychology-Experiments/dp/159558921X/ref=sr_1_1?

richwicks says

I'd recommend looking up the Mouse Utopia experiment, and the Asch Conformity Experiments.

The Mouse Utopia experiment confirms Dostoevsky's writings:

Shower upon him every earthly blessing, drown him in a sea of happiness, so that nothing but bubbles of bliss can be seen on the surface; give him economic prosperity, such that he should have nothing else to do but sleep, eat cakes and busy himself with the continuation of his species, and even then out of sheer ingratitude, sheer spite, man would play you some nasty trick. He would even risk his cakes and would deliberately desire the most fatal rubbish, the most uneconomical absurdity, simply to introduce into all this positive good sense his fatal fantastic element. It is just his fantastic dreams, his vulgar folly that he will desire to retain, simply in order to prove to himself--as though that were so necessary-- that men still are men and not the keys of a piano, which the laws of nature threaten to control so completely that soon one will be able to desire nothing but by the calendar. And that is not all: even if man really were nothing but a piano-key, even if this were proved to him by natural science and mathematics, even then he would not become reasonable, but would purposely do something perverse out of simple ingratitude, simply to gain his point. And if he does not find means he will contrive destruction and chaos, will contrive sufferings of all sorts, only to gain his point! He will launch a curse upon the world, and as only man can curse (it is his privilege, the primary distinction between him and other animals), may be by his curse alone he will attain his object--that is, convince himself that he is a man and not a piano-key! If you say that all this, too, can be calculated and tabulated--chaos and darkness and curses, so that the mere possibility of calculating it all beforehand would stop it all, and reason would reassert itself, then man would purposely go mad in order to be rid of reason and gain his point! I believe in it, I answer for it, for the whole work of man really seems to consist in nothing but proving to himself every minute that he is a man and not a piano-key! It may be at the cost of his skin, it may be by cannibalism! And this being so, can one help being tempted to rejoice that it has not yet come off, and that desire still depends on something we don't know?
http://www.online-literature.com/dostoevsky/notes_underground/8/

MOST of the "Classic Era" 50s and 60s Social Experiments were highly flawed, particularly the Sanford Prison Experiment, the latter one from top to bottom.

The idea came from a student... protocol wasn't followed... experiment changed constantly in the middle of the experiment... Students were lied to about being able to study for the exams next week so freaked out to end the experiment...

ZImbardi changed https://nypost.com/2018/06/14/famed-stanford-prison-experiment-was-a-fraud-scientist-says/

Oh, I know "psychology" is rife with bad "science". I know how bad the experiments are.

I think the only useful ones are the Asch conformity experiment and the mouse utopia experiment to a lesser degree. The Asch conformity experiment is often done on students. That's the only one I think is reasonably true because it's so often repeated, and you can see it in real life all the time. It's the BASIS of our propaganda.

If you went against the grain, you were beaten down for it. If you thought Bush SENIOR had brought us into Iraq over bullshit reasons, you were very castigated. At one point questioning if JFK was really murdered by a lone gunman who said he was a patsy, who was then murdered by a man that appeared to be connected to the mafia, and then died conveniently after less than 4 years of incarceration (or was given a ton of money and told to disappear) - that made you a complete lunatic.

But the card has been played so often, that it's wearing out. People openly question the seriousness of this pandemic and if Biden was actually elected. It's no longer that one guy on a soapbox, it's throngs of people in protest. I have seen a FEW people go from "Why not get the shot? You're not one of those crazy anti-vaxxers are you?" to "What? They want a fucking booster now? That's bullshit."

Where people are starting to see tyranny, I've always seen it. They are starting to suspect that maybe the authorities are lying to them, and the narratives they are being told by "reliable sources" MIGHT be false.

The genius of our system was requiring at least several branches to work together to get anything done.

However, over the centuries, with "Administrative Law" (Big Agencies promulgating rules in lieu of Congress itself), SCOTUS pulling BS out of thin air ("Corporations are People", "Gays can be married even though California couldn't pass it by referendum", "Interstate Commerce includes growing food on your own farm to feed your own animals that never enters ANY commerce at all, much less interstate", has ruined the system bit by bit.

Jefferson was correct that the most mischief would come from SCOTUS.

Like "Gain of Function" has much in common with "Weaponization" of Biologicals, "Independent and Appointed for Life" is the flip side of "Unaccountable".

The Great Resist
They will own nobody and like it.

I remember at UC Berkeley when I took psych courses, a guy told me that I could make easy money participating in their experiments.

It was the strangest and one of the most eerie things I experienced as a student. I wasn't give drugs, but I sensed evil in the test givers, who were attempting various forms of persuasion. I never went back after the first and only session. I guess I had some form of Spidey Sense even then.