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How to talk to vaxxers and maskers


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2021 Dec 11, 4:32pm   633 views  16 comments

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Vaccine and mask conversations can be frustrating and it may take several conversations at different points in time before you are successful.

What people want is reliable non-corporate information, compassion, and understanding. Not judgment.

With every vaccine discussion, we have the potential to move the needle against the mass vaxxing and masking.

Make it clear that you care about the person’s well-being and safety.


1. Listen with empathy. Remember that they have been deliberately terrified by the lies in the corporate media and that this causes them great pain.

2. Ask open ended questions, for example: "Why do you think that a vaccine with zero long-term safety testing is safe for you?"

3. Ask permission to share truthful information which exposes the corporate media lies. Look at https://patrick.net/links for sources and data that are completely censored in the corporate media, and then share some of those links.

4. Explore their reasoning. Why do they think the vaxx is safe when it so clearly is not?


How you personally can boost the confidence of people who suspect the truth, but are afraid of being called names for speaking out:

1. Lead by example. Proudly tell them that your body is your own, and show them that you actually can shop in most places without a mask.

2. Build trust If you’re helping to spread the truth, be supportive of anyone who has questions or asks for your advice. Listen to any concerns and communicate in a way that is respectful and builds trust. This "vaccine" is absolutely not safe. Remind people that more people have died from this mis-named "vaccine" alone than from all true vaccines combined.

3. Help people strengthen their internal fortitude against the vaxxers and maskers. Introduce them to the welcoming community of people standing up for truth. They will be much stronger and more confident in a group than on their own. Once someone decides on their “why” they cannot trust the vaxx or the masks, then help them make a commitment to never get the vaxx, and to spread truthful information about the dangers of the vaxx and the pointless humiliation of ineffective masks.

If they say:

"I wear a mask to help make others feel safe."

You can answer:

"Masks spread fear without doing anything at all to slow the spread of the virus. People will feel much safer when fewer people are wearing masks, and when they can see other people smiling and living their normal lives."


If they say:

"The vaccine is safe."

You can answer:

"There has never been a vaccine as rushed as this one until now. There has been no long-term safety testing because there has been no long term yet. Worse, VAERS (the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System) reports record levels of death for this vaccine, surpassing the death toll of all other vaccines combined. Sadly, human beings are being used as guinea pigs now."


If they say:

"I'm worried about catching the virus."

You can answer:

"The risk for most people is less than the risk for the flu. The survival rate is 99.7% overall, even including the elderly and the obese, who make up most of the dead. Half of the deaths were in nursing homes. If you're not in a nursing home, you cut your risk in half right there."


If they say:

"The side effects of the vaccine are not so bad."

You can answer:

"The vaccine dramatically increases the risk of blood clots, strokes, and heart attacks, according to the American Heart Association."


If they say:

"The vaccine will protect me."

You can answer:

"If you're already had the virus, it may have been so mild that you didn't even notice, and now you're protected for life already. Have you seen the many studies showing that the vaccine's weak protective effect wears off after a few months? Have you noticed how the most highly vaccinated countries now have the highest percentages of cases and deaths?"


If they say:

"I trust the vaccine makers."

You can answer:

“Putting an experimental foreign substance in my body just doesn’t seem natural, and I can see an enormous profit motive for the makers to push it. Ivermectin is much more effective than the vaccine, safer than aspirin, and pretty much free. This is why the vaccine makers lobby against it.”


If they say:

"It's not experimental!"

You can answer:

"Actually, it is still experimental, and available under EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) only. The FDA did quite a trick in approving a vaccine which is not available, just so that they could say that some vaccine was fully approved."


If they say:

"I don't know who to trust for information anymore."

You can answer:

"You need to depend on your own ability to reason here. Can you see the financial motives behind the corporate media's relentless pushing of the vaxx? Isn't it creepy how they are all in lock step for whatever maximizes the profits of Pfizer?"


If they say:

"The vaccine stops the spread."

You can answer:

"That's clearly not true. In fact, the truth is just the opposite: in every country, the number of cases and deaths rises in proportion to the number of vaccinated people.. It's easy to look up the numbers for yourself. Note the studies showing that the vaccinated carry the virus just as much as the unvaccinated."


You are having the conversation to plant a seed, eventually—with enough watering—the seed of independent thought and skepticism of the vaxx and the masks will grow.

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1   Ceffer   2021 Dec 11, 4:36pm  

So, pointing my finger at them and laughing out loud screaming 'Dead Meat' 'Dead Meat Walking' wouldn't be the most diplomatic approach?
2   Patrick   2021 Dec 11, 5:35pm  

It is tempting though!
4   WookieMan   2021 Dec 11, 7:34pm  

Everyone I know that has gotten vaccinated feels stupid about it. I just don't say anything anymore. My SIL and BIL were both vaccinated and both got Covid on Thanksgiving. My SIL is so pissed that none of us decided to get tested. She said the entire family was selfish. We're all pretty sure we got it, but cannot test. She's a school teacher, the school doesn't want her there with Covid and will still pay her. Everyone else is private sector and doesn't have that luxury.

Wouldn't you feel stupid yelling from the mountain tops that you're vaccinated and then oh, you need a booster and potentially a 4th shot AND you got covid still. These people are not going to be rational even if you try to be. I think they're coming around to the fact they're test subjects and have been made fools of. Humans rarely admit being wrong, even when it's obvious. They try to rationalize their decision or as many do blame people not getting vaccinated for their poor decision and not researching.
5   Patrick   2021 Dec 11, 7:36pm  

WookieMan says
Humans rarely admit being wrong, even when it's obvious.


Is there any way to reach them before even more people die from the vaxxing?
6   WookieMan   2021 Dec 11, 8:00pm  

Patrick says
WookieMan says
Humans rarely admit being wrong, even when it's obvious.


Is there any way to reach them before even more people die from the vaxxing?

I personally don't think so. If you're not a doctor, the media matters more in most peoples mind. Most people will just listen to whatever FB tells them or what's on TV. Women are the most guilty culprit, and the soft husbands or boyfriends cave to their wishes.

If you didn't smell the bullshit after 15 days to stop the spread, you were already brainwashed at that point in my opinion. Fauci knew about Covid probably since September of 2019 and that it was out. He knew he was researching it, that's basically been proven and he get massively defensive when questioned about it. The average person doesn't look into shit like this. Including your general practitioner. They just get handed memos on how to handle things at the hospital and do it to keep their job. They may understand viruses and vaccines, but they're not actively studying them.

So as a layman, unless it's someone you're close with, most people may hear you, but they're not listening.
7   WookieMan   2021 Dec 11, 8:05pm  

Side note. I do like the effort. A lot of stuff I've read (links) here and on my own have helped me to convince my wife to not get boosters. I tried for months to tell her not to get the vaccine. We can only do so much. She got covid and is paying for the vaccine in some rough ways. This is someone I've been with for 23 years. The brainwashing is strong is all I'll say.
8   PeopleUnited   2021 Dec 11, 8:26pm  

WookieMan says
The brainwashing is strong is all I'll say.


The media portrays COVID as a death sentence, the experimental injections as life savers and anyone who does not believe the first two lies is an insane psychopath.

It’s no surprise that so many people cave to the peer pressure.
9   Patrick   2021 Dec 11, 8:52pm  

WookieMan says
Fauci knew about Covid probably since September of 2019 and that it was out. He knew he was researching it, that's basically been proven and he get massively defensive when questioned about it.


Worse.

Fauci funded the creation of the virus specifically to manipulate politics and make billions for Pfizer.

Mark my words.
10   Patrick   2021 Dec 12, 12:59pm  

This is an excellent resource to distribute to those who are still sane but confused by the corporate media corruption and censorship:

https://unityprojectonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Did_You_Know_Fact_Sheet.pdf?source=patrick.net
11   mell   2021 Dec 12, 9:06pm  

I have started breaking w family and old friends, mostly overseas. I'm always respectful and polite, but I can't support or even tolerate this bullshit anymore. But Germany for example and other European countries have been thoroughly brainwashed. Paid shills suddenly were elevated to the top of their cdc chain and have been instilling fear, uncertainty lies and obedience into the people.
12   Patrick   2021 Dec 12, 9:21pm  

I have the same issue.

Lots of relatives are so brainwashed by the fear that they can't see the obvious profit and power motives.
14   Patrick   2025 Apr 25, 10:49am  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/smurf-blue-friday-april-25-2025-c


During the pandemic, there was no more enthusiastic and loyal covid policy cheerleader than The Atlantic. Ironically published on April 1st, the Atlantic ran a literally insane story with a simple, two-word headline. The editors made up the second word, which needed no explanation. It read: “The Evermaskers.” The sub-headline sorrowfully said, “The people who may never stop masking.”

The government’s mask policy was always more psychological science than physical or biological science. We now know the shrinks told the bureaucrats that forcing masks on citizens would “nudge” us all toward other more effective germ-reducing behavior. They couldn’t tell us they were doing it though, since nudging only works when we aren’t aware it’s happening.

In other words, people tend to get muley when they suspect they’re being manipulated.

So, of course, they lied and they fearmongered. They lied like dogs, or rugs, or paid Amazon reviewers. They lied about all of it, but mostly about masks, and about how dangerous —but avoidable!— the virus was. For most of us, it was not dangerous; for all of us, it could not be avoided, not through masks, distances, lockdowns, or jabs.

And behold: the rotten fruit of a ruined generation of broken Americans whose scrambled, germaphobic brains are stuck on 11. Oh well! Collateral damage. Eggs and omelets!

The article reported that according to a recent PEW poll, around four percent (4%) of Americans still regularly mask up. If my calculations are correct, that comes to about 14 million people. In other words, more than the population of eleven U.S. states put together.

If you ignored the germ problem and stacked them on top of each other (they would have to be unconscious or wearing hazmat suits), the evermaskers would form a pile three times as high as geosynchronous orbit.

The article predictably began with a tragic human-interest anecdote. Meet Dennis Rosloniac. Dennis, 44, is fit, healthy, and active. The Green Bay media tech enjoys mountain biking in his spare time, and he has no chronic health problems. But the idea of covid, Dennis said, “breaks my brain sometimes.”

Dennis’s cerebral cortex is infected with a singular, unshakable fear. Or maybe it’s more of a fearful notion, an unrelenting conviction that compels him to continue strapping on the mask, even though he feels constant social anxiety about wearing it around other people. “You feel pressure from the world,” Dennis admitted. He experiences an expanding sensation of inevitable doom, an unending awareness of a terrifying covid clock counting down, which Dennis is compelled to try to hold back: “Each time he’s infected,” the Atlantic explained, “the chances that something really bad will happen to his body ratchet up a little higher.”

Tick … tick … tick.

It’s a lonely life in the real world. But Dennis finds solace in seeking fellow evermaskers on online forums, “a kind of shadow world where the fears and obligations felt by everyone in early 2020 never really went away, and lockdowns still persist in private.”

The Atlantic’s reporter never used the term, but I will. A few years ago, these bizarre rituals and beliefs would have been called obsessive-compulsive disorders. In their “online communities,” evermaskers perfect N95 mask-fitting tips. They swap hacks for creative germ mitigations, like taping waterproof filters to snorkel spouts for safe swimming in indoor pools (always in moderation). They congregate on Sundays (by Zoom) for covid church. They exchange lists of evermasker-friendly doctors who won’t ever suggest they might need a different type of treatment. ...

Evermasking isn’t easy— or cheap. It gets more expensive all the time. Last month, HHS rudely announced it would “no longer waste billions of taxpayer dollars responding to a non-existent pandemic that Americans moved on from years ago,” and just like that, free test kits and paxlovid pills disappeared like virus particles sucked through a HEPA filter.

Tess, 35, is a public health worker. She declined to use her last name citing another fear: fear of retaliation. She told the Atlantic that she —and others like her— worry less about dying from acute covid than being disabled by long covid. But oddly, the article also reported Tess said she already has long covid, with unrelenting brain fog and loss of lung capacity. (Now I think about it, brain fog might explain a lot.)

Apparently Tess —just like Dennis— believes each new case of covid makes her crippling condition even worse. It’s just a long, inescapable spiral into total medical dependency. All she can do is try to hold it off as long as she can.

Evermasking requires making hard choices. Last year, Tess separated from her husband, because he took off his mask at work without telling her, got infected, and then passed along the illness. “Somebody who I’m supposed to trust lied to me, took away my agency, and got me sick,” Tess explained helplessly. What else should she have done?

Nancy, 69, runs twice-weekly Zoom sessions helping evermaskers fellowship together. Like Dennis and Tess, Nancy also fears repeated exposure. “If you keep catching it over and over and over again,” Nancy explained, “your chances of developing long COVID increase, and it gradually weakens your immune system.”

Following a shower of statistics and studies that mostly showed long covid rates declining, rather than increasing, the article finally got around to another common element the evermaskers shared, a highly suggestive joint quality that probably should have started the article: “In the U.S., at least, people’s sense of risk from COVID, in particular, also has a strong connection to their politics— many COVID-conscious people are progressives.”

Can you see the dreadful implication? The horrifying significance from the fact that progressive people are most likely to become evermaskers? You understand what this means?

It means the virus hates democrats.

Haha, just kidding. It’s quite easy to mock these evermaskers —trivial, in fact, mere child’s play— but the fact is that fourteen million American evermaskers represent another giant group of victims— not victims of the virus, but of the government’s deceptive response to the virus. They are stuck in a perpetual state of fear, anxiety, and obsessive compulsion.

It’s ruining their lives, their relationships, and what remains of their mental health.

And so we begin to see the inevitable result of weaponizing fear to motivate people using their trusted authority figures. A result everyone but experts could see coming. Thanks, experts.

Spare a moment’s sympathy for the legions of people who followed the science— and now they can’t find their way home.
15   stereotomy   2025 Apr 25, 2:02pm  

mell says


I have started breaking w family and old friends, mostly overseas. I'm always respectful and polite, but I can't support or even tolerate this bullshit anymore. But Germany for example and other European countries have been thoroughly brainwashed. Paid shills suddenly were elevated to the top of their cdc chain and have been instilling fear, uncertainty lies and obedience into the people.

Patrick says


I have the same issue.

Lots of relatives are so brainwashed by the fear that they can't see the obvious profit and power motives.


These are old quotes, but I've experienced the same. I'll never offer the olive branch, given what I've been subjected to. Ultimately, it was more important for these relatives to virtue signal and "get along" than it was to stand up for the truth.

In my mind, these would the be informers for the Stasi in East Germany or in the USSR for the KGB, asking your children "What does Dad and Mom say about . . ."

You can't choose your relatives, but at least you can decide to have absofuckinglutely nothing to do with them ever again.
16   Ceffer   2025 Apr 27, 11:10pm  

The phony theatrics of imposing death and maiming.



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