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Putin went on TV and declared the revolt an attempted color revolution by foreign agents and terrorists, not a protest against gas prices, similar to 2014 in Ukraine. He declined to specify where these came from, but said color revolutions will no longer be tolerated in former soviet states. He and T are best buds now. Maybe Western aligned N was trying to oust nominal successor T and turn Khaz into another Soros state decisively.

Ceffer says

Putin went on TV and declared the revolt an attempted color revolution by foreign agents and terrorists, not a protest against gas prices, similar to 2014 in Ukraine. He declined to specify where these came from, but said color revolutions will no longer be tolerated in former soviet states. He and T are best buds now. Maybe Western aligned N was trying to oust nominal successor T and turn Khaz into another Soros state decisively.

Latest new from Russian and Islamist interwebs: Putin is removing his troops from Kazakhstan in a few days by order of Chinese. Specifically, T said that most Russians will get out in 2 days. He does not have enough power to demand or say that unilaterally - someone is telling him what to do, and that someone is likely the Chinese.

So, if we want to be completely conspiratorial, Chinese fostered an uprising either themselves or via Russians, and removed a relatively pro-western N with the hands of Russians. Now the oil industry in Kazakhstan will belong to Chinese, who don't have much oil themselves. Conveniently, oil in Kazakhstan is directly by China, so any Western sanctions will not work.

So, false flag color revolution is still on the table? Gave the pretense for Russia to move in and clean out the Western interests? I guess if Putin isn't saying who it is, he isn't wagging a finger at Soros or the West.

Bd6r says

Ceffer says

Putin went on TV and declared the revolt an attempted color revolution by foreign agents and terrorists, not a protest against gas prices, similar to 2014 in Ukraine. He declined to specify where these came from, but said color revolutions will no longer be tolerated in former soviet states. He and T are best buds now. Maybe Western aligned N was trying to oust nominal successor T and turn Khaz into another Soros state decisively.

Latest new from Russian and Islamist interwebs: Putin is removing his troops from Kazakhstan in a few days by order of Chinese. Specifically, T said that most Russians will get out in 2 days. He does not have enough power to demand or say that unilaterally - someone is telling him what to do, and that someone is likely the Chinese.

So, if we want to be completely conspiratorial, Chinese fostered an uprising either themselves or via Russians, and rem...

Yeah, sounds about right. They know Xi Den won't stop them or do things in Ukraine or Syria to be a prick in response.

If I was POTUS, I'd have State go out and talk about negotiations to give Taiwan and Ukraine some nice new things.

Having a vassal state rich in oil and uranium next to China will make China much more powerful. Meanwhile, Brandon will hire more transgendered generals who can shout pronouns at enemy.

I read a Japanese anti-utopia 30 yrs ago about a State where army was running away from battlefields with Generals running the fastest. Can't remember name of the novel now but it seems collective west is now living in that dystopian world.

"I can't die on the battlefield. I'm owed a post-retirement 2nd career at Lockheed getting my proteges to buy overpriced equipment and water down the RFP standards."

I would think Khaz would be another Muslim time bomb for China. China is not exactly Muslim friendly.

As Muslims go, the Khazaks seem very moderate, allowing other religions, beer, unveiled women, etc. This is because they are not all that Muslim really.

But Islam in its core teachings is extremely intolerant and violent, so if the Khazaks become devout (maybe with prompting from Saudi Wahhabi money) then the place could become a big problem for China.

I'm still waiting for Muslims who get shit faced drunk, slather themselves in bacon grease, and have wild sex orgies in public.

mell says

Bd6r says

richwicks says

It was Oleksandr Turchynov, he was the first US puppet although I'm certain they all are at this point.

quote please

You know these quotes are likely cleansed from the leftoid web if they happened. It's all about distracting from Chyna now and elevate Russia to main enemy. The situation in Crimea was definitely complex as the majority of people in Crimea wanted to join Russia. Doesn't mean everything was kosher but that it's certainly not black and white

@Bd6r

I have to admit, I'm having trouble finding this, since now it's so long ago, or maybe I WAS deceived. Certainly a lot of people were talking about it at the time. Paul Craig Roberts was one of them. At the time I was chiefly interested in the Victoria Nuland angle because the dumb bitch proved it was a US coup, and I still had SOME faith in our "news" media at the time, and figured they wouldn't

1) Draw attention to her "Fuck the EU quote"
2) And completely mischaracterize it.

But they did. All the MSM could do was talk about how she said FUCK but omitting all the context in what that meant. I don't blame whoever got it from releasing it - they claim was Russia of course, but it could have been a legitimate whistleblower.

Anyhow, I'll have to come back to this when I really want to research it. It's wiped from Google for certain, but I have more than just American search engines.

Oh yeah, and I wanted to post this:


original link


That's The Corbett Report's take on it.

richwicks says

I have to admit, I'm having trouble finding this, since now it's so long ago, or maybe I WAS deceived.

I don't think this quote exists. Both sides in this war are a mix of Russians and Ukrainians. One of the most extremist units of Ukrainian "volunteers", namely Donbass battalion, was predominately Russian speaking, at least at the beginning of conflict (perhaps they have learned Ukrainian by now). Their leader was an ethnic Russian, from Crimea. The truth is rarely as simple as either side in conflict paints it.

Patrick says

As Muslims go, the Khazaks seem very moderate, allowing other religions, beer, unveiled women, etc. This is because they are not all that Muslim really.

Because this is the only good thing Soviets did - they wrung out religiousness of most populations in USSR. Hence, most Kazakhs are Muslims in name only. However, if they fall on hard times, they will become religious fanatics again. See example of Chechens, who went from not religious in 1991 to batshit crazy terrorist Islamic in 2000.

Bd6r says

if they fall on hard times, they will become religious fanatics again. See example of Chechens, who went from not religious in 1991 to batshit crazy terrorist Islamic in 2000.

Do you know why the Middle East has so many terrorists?

Well, I think bombing them all the time, and overthrowing the governments constantly causes hard times for the population...

richwicks says

Do you know why the Middle East has so many terrorists?

Well, I think bombing them all the time, and overthrowing the governments constantly causes hard times for the population...

exactly. + it is easier to keep deeply religious populations in check, especially if gov't is a puppet of some foreign power

Bd6r says

richwicks says

I have to admit, I'm having trouble finding this, since now it's so long ago, or maybe I WAS deceived.

I don't think this quote exists. Both sides in this war are a mix of Russians and Ukrainians. One of the most extremist units of Ukrainian "volunteers", namely Donbass battalion, was predominately Russian speaking, at least at the beginning of conflict (perhaps they have learned Ukrainian by now). Their leader was an ethnic Russian, from Crimea. The truth is rarely as simple as either side in conflict paints it.

My point is again though, the US caused all this mess by overthrowing the Ukrainian government, and they didn't do this for the welfare of the Ukrainians. They did this MOSTLY to cause problems for the Russians, and I don't understand why this is in US interests and I don't think it is - not that the criminal syndicate that runs the US cares about US interests.

The US should leave Russia alone and if they want, make rock solid agreements to the importation of Russian petroleum to Europe.

It's stupid, absolutely stupid, to restart the cold war, arms race bullshit with Russia again - but it gives the Federal Reserve more power, and gives the world an excuse to continue to support the toilet paper called the US dollar if Russia is "threatening Europe". What we really ought to do, is go after all the owners of the Federal Reserve and threaten to assassinate them. If there's any retaliation, to exterminate their entire family line.

Remember, this is a mafia family that brought us into WWI and WWII.

Bd6r says

exactly. + it is easier to keep deeply religious populations in check, especially if gov't is a puppet of some foreign power

I don't believe this is in US' interests.

It's probably in favor of the Federal Reserve.

Remember, we were energy independent about a year ago.

Our enemy is domestic, not on the other side of the world. It's in Langley Virginia, Washington DC, and parts of Silicon Valley - yes - but it's really the Federal Reserve. Destroy that, and that fixes a hell of a lot of things, including corruption.

richwicks says

and they didn't do this for the welfare of the Ukrainians

International politics is never about welfare for anyone else other than the ruling class. I think that is obvious.
richwicks says

It's stupid, absolutely stupid, to restart the cold war, arms race bullshit with Russia again

You can't justify spending trillions to fight goat herders with AK's for a very long time. One needs a more reasonable opponent.

In principle, it should be Ukrainians, not Russians, or Americans, or whomever else, who decide what will happen with Ukraine.

Bd6r says

In principle, it should be Ukrainians, not Russians, or Americans, or whomever else, who decide what will happen with Ukraine.

They were denied this when US, UK and Russia ganged up on them and demanded their full nuclear disarmement in exchange to "security and territorial integrity assurances". How these "assurances" are working is on full display right in front of our eyes: they were attacked by one of the guarantors and got genereous shipment of blankets and gauze from the other two. Good luck with persuading any other country to not pursue their own nukes or surrender the ones they already have.

Eric Holder says

They were denied this when US, UK and Russia ganged up on them and demanded their full nuclear disarmement in exchange to "security and territorial integrity assurances".

Another FACT that is quite uncomfortable for persons supporting Russia/Putler.

Non-intervention in other countries should imply US also staying out of situations like this. Without US guarantees, Ukraine would have kept their nukes and would not be invaded.

Bd6r says

Eric Holder says

They were denied this when US, UK and Russia ganged up on them and demanded their full nuclear disarmement in exchange to "security and territorial integrity assurances".

Another FACT that is quite uncomfortable for persons supporting Russia/Putler.

Non-intervention in other countries should imply US also staying out of situations like this. Without US guarantees, Ukraine would have kept their nukes and would not be invaded.

BTW, Kazakhstan and Belarus were similarly disarmed at the same time and under the same "assurances".

Bd6r says

Non-intervention in other countries should imply US also staying out of situations like this. Without US guarantees, Ukraine would have kept their nukes and would not be invaded.

Considering the credibility of the US government, nothing they claim they want to do can be trusted.

They haven't told us the truth ONCE in why they've started a war in my lifetime. Well, maybe Grenada and the Falkland Islands, but the rest, all pure bullshit.

richwicks says

Considering the credibility of the US government, nothing they claim they want to do can be trusted.

They haven't told us the truth ONCE in why they've started a war in my lifetime. Well, maybe Grenada and the Falkland Islands, but the rest, all pure bullshit.

The text of treaty can be found here: https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/v3007.pdf?source=patrick.net

p 167/193

Eric Holder says

Bd6r says

Eric Holder says

They were denied this when US, UK and Russia ganged up on them and demanded their full nuclear disarmement in exchange to "security and territorial integrity assurances".

Another FACT that is quite uncomfortable for persons supporting Russia/Putler.

Non-intervention in other countries should imply US also staying out of situations like this. Without US guarantees, Ukraine would have kept their nukes and would not be invaded.

BTW, Kazakhstan and Belarus were similarly disarmed at the same time and under the same "assurances".

All this bullshit could be avoided by having the leaders of each nation publicly make the agreement, while being recorded in a public display.

That's something that always pissed me off about the Palestinian and Israeli conflict - all they had to do was say "this is what is being offered as a two state solution" publicly and let the negotiators agree or disagree. Instead, we have to WONDER what was actually offered or not offered. I've said it many times, it's just a big scam.

The agreements are distractions, never meant to be adhered to. The agreements are for public consumption, they aren't actual agreements.

richwicks says

All this bullshit could be avoided by having the leaders of each nation publicly make the agreement, while being recorded in a public display.

Seriously? You think it was some kind of hush-hush secret deal? It was public AF. It was celebrated as a great achievement on both sides of the ocean.

FuckCCP89 says

richwicks says

All this bullshit could be avoided by having the leaders of each nation publicly make the agreement, while being recorded in a public display.

Seriously? You think it was some kind of hush-hush secret deal?

Seriously.

Explain to me why offered agreements are kept secret and we're left to speculate on what was offered and why the agreements were not taken?

FuckCCP89 says

It was public AF. It was celebrated as a great achievement on both sides of the ocean.

Show me a link.

My position at this point is that governments are criminal syndicates that don't represent their population, and will sell them out for personal advantage at a moments notice.

Let's see those public agreements.

richwicks says

FuckCCP89 says

richwicks says

All this bullshit could be avoided by having the leaders of each nation publicly make the agreement, while being recorded in a public display.

Seriously? You think it was some kind of hush-hush secret deal?

Seriously.

Explain to me why offered agreements are kept secret and we're left to speculate on what was offered and why the agreements were not taken?

FuckCCP89 says

It was public AF. It was celebrated as a great achievement on both sides of the ocean.

Show me a link.

Are you for real? You claim to be in your 50s and yet completely unaware of nuclear disarmament happenings of the 90s? What kind of fucking link do you need exactly? A proof that societies in Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Belarus were aware that their countries are being disarmed in exchange to security assurances from US, UK and Russia? It's a fucking fact: the whole process of signing the deal and then transferring the nukes, destroying the missiles and strategic bombers was all over TV and newspapers.

Go ask Ukrainians, Kazakhs or Beloruses about it - you claimed you are capable of talking to them, didn't you?

Link and excerpt from this treaty is above in my post #122. It is as public as it gets

FuckCCP89 says

Are you for real? You claim to be in your 50s and yet completely unaware of nuclear disarmament happenings of the 90s?

I'm 50 and 9 months, almost to the day. I'm not unaware. I'm questioning why offers for agreements are not made PUBLICLY available? This is in regard to the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. We can only speculate on what is offered for a Palestinian state.

What are the conditions for the end of sanctions on Russia or Iran? What is the US demanding?

The same thing happened with Hussein and the United States.

It seems to me that goalposts are constantly moved. Well, I'm actually quite certain they are.

FuckCCP89 says

What kind of fucking link do you need exactly? A proof that societies in Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Belarus were aware that their countries are being disarmed in exchange to security assurances from US

What are the offers to reduce conflict? What are the conditions?FuckCCP89 says

It's a fucking fact: the whole process of signing the deal and then transferring the nukes, destroying the missiles and strategic bombers was all over TV and newspapers.

Newspaper and tv are propaganda. I want the agreement offered directly to the parties involved. Our media is propaganda. They will blatantly lie and have, you know this as well as I do.

FuckCCP89 says

Go ask Ukrainians, Kazakhs or Beloruses about it - you claimed you are capable of talking to them, didn't you?

I've talked to Ukrainians. I only wanted to know if they were aware their nation was overthrown by the United States. They are.

@richwicks is talking out of his ass on the subject of Ukraine/Kazakhstan/Belarus nuclear disarmement. If he really wants to be taken seriously in this thread I suggest he stops empty bloviation and starts educating himself on the stuff he missed during his 50 yrs 9 month uninformed life.

I suggest listening to this two-part panel on the subject - most of the people participating were personally involved in the deal on 3 sides (US, Ukraine and Russia):

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zPmBfi0gMWU&source=patrick.net
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mXa51uKNJH8&source=patrick.net

richwicks says

FuckCCP89 says

Go ask Ukrainians, Kazakhs or Beloruses about it - you claimed you are capable of talking to them, didn't you?

I've talked to Ukrainians. I only wanted to know if they were aware their nation was overthrown by the United States. They are.

And this is how we know you didn't talk no Ukrainians. You're simply parroting Russian bullshit, like RT and such. I fucking work with 20-people remote team of Ukrainians in Ukraine: not a single one thinks the moronic thing you spout here.

richwicks says

FuckCCP89 says

Go ask Ukrainians, Kazakhs or Beloruses about it - you claimed you are capable of talking to them, didn't you?

I've talked to Ukrainians. I only wanted to know if they were aware their nation was overthrown by the United States. They are.

And this is how we know you didn't talk to no Ukrainians. You're simply parroting Russian bullshit, like RT and such. I fucking work with 20-people remote team of Ukrainians in Ukraine: not a single one thinks the moronic thing you spout here. They do think that US has shirked its responsibilities wrt Budapest memorandum and quite mad at Obama/Biden admin for not providing adequate military aid in 2014-2016.

richwicks says

Newspaper and tv are propaganda. I want the agreement offered directly to the parties involved. Our media is propaganda. They will blatantly lie and have, you know this as well as I do.

I gave you the link to signed treaty above.

Well I'm learning stoof! I don't know anything about anything with respect to E. Europe other than the cold war sucked balls when I was a kid and how surprised I was as an adult to meet so many who've moved over here to the states working in biotech who are super cool.

On the other hand, these guys harass me about not being married (while chomping down on yummies their wives sent to work for them) and warning me about how E. European women will poison their food if they piss them off.

just_passing_through says

about how E. European women will poison their food if they piss them off.

We're very lucky here. They will only poison you if you have substantial life insurance.

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

FuckCCP89 says

Go ask Ukrainians, Kazakhs or Beloruses about it - you claimed you are capable of talking to them, didn't you?

I've talked to Ukrainians. I only wanted to know if they were aware their nation was overthrown by the United States. They are.

And this is how we know you didn't talk to no Ukrainians. You're simply parroting Russian bullshit, like RT and such.

I know a man that is an ex-patriot in Ukraine. He's from Oakland California.

His Skype account was "hacked" and from that point forward doing an obvious scam, I've had no contact from him since.

I suspect he was murdered, but I don't know. I wasn't a fast friend with him, but all contact has been terminated.

I know, with absolute certainty that the US did a coup d'etat there. There's no question. That's proven, without question with Victoria Nuland's statement of "Fuck the EU". At the time, this nation was selecting the next puppet leader of Ukraine. There's no question about that.

My friend, who now may be dead, agreed with that. The people I talked to who CLAIMED to be Ukrainian agreed with that. I could have been talking to Russian intelligence or anybody else, I don't know.

What I do know, is for certain, that Ukraine did not have a Maidan Revolution. Everything else, I will find out if it's true or false in time.

The people thought they had something to uprise over.

Now they turned off the power, that will calm things down I'm sure.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/25/millions-left-without-power-after-huge-blackout-hits-central-asia?source=patrick.net

It could be just people manipulating the price of Bitcoin, as all the Crypto miners from China fled to Kazakhstan when the CCP outlawed crytos. Without those mining operations going it could put upward pressure on the price of Bitcoin. Then again maybe it was the mining operations themselves that caused the power to go out.

No telling really, but I'm sure the regular people are pissed.