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Perhaps some other messaging is necessary. Ok - fine - let's really think deeper about abortion.
Woman has the "choice" and the man the responsibility. If she has an abortion he is off the hook.
If she has the child, it is his responsibility to support (and that really means supporting the mama).
Perhaps encouraging women to realize that they can have it all by simply having a child. From a pro-life position, play this out!
Run ads encouraging women to keep the child because that child will be supported. Support
legal foundations that jail deadbeat dads and really make it about a way of life: fooling some man
into unsafe sex. Etc... You can imagine the ads that could run.
Of course, most smart woman would abort the child of a dead beat, but if the father is reasonably
employed then why not have the baby? Or if government steps in and funds some basic level? Like we already do for welfare, etc...
It can work both ways as well- maybe men will realize they have ceded too much of their own reproductive rights
and that might cloud the issue to the point where there becomes a decision point: either men have
reproductive rights similar to women (right to not pay for the child if she chooses to have it and they are unmarried)
OR both men and women decide that pro-life places an equal burden on both parties. Women don't get the
choice, and the man must own up.
Pro-lifers might be upset if the decision is to allow men to "opt out" of unwanted pregnancies, but that also might
then discourage woman from getting pregnant to begin with... as well, pro-choice side might be upset because it really equalizes
the reproductive rights of both sexes.
Current pro life messaging, no matter how honorable the position, will be defeated. Words matter and
flinging words like "ban" instead of "some restrictions" provides no way for a moderate person to support.
Words matter and
flinging words like "ban" instead of "some restrictions" provides no way for a moderate person to support.
I was born and raised in a deep blue state and basically nothing will change most of their minds on the issue. There is absolutely no other issue that they're absolutely willing to kill for than abortion.
Why can't pro-life people just say "Overturning Roe has just made America's abortion policies more like Europe's with some reasonable restrictions and less like Communist China and Stalinist North Korea".
I just take a different tact, and encourage very left wing whacko women to abort all their pregnancies, because if they do, the world ends up in a better place, and it does.
richwicks says
I just take a different tact, and encourage very left wing whacko women to abort all their pregnancies, because if they do, the world ends up in a better place, and it does.
Unfortunately, low-income wacko lefties are paid by the government to breed.
YOU allow your government to do this.
I like how people sit back and don't even bother to know what is going on, and if they do, they stay silent about it. As a result, we have an entirely criminal government because our society is composed of low iq morons, and silent collaborators.
It's should not be seen as a defacto birth control measure.
HeadSet says
Condoms. the pill, IUDs and foam are all conception control.
Semantics. You got me. But I think you know what I meant.
No we don't. Women are fickle. It's not government. Fine there's an option for abortion. It should have never been an option outside of rape or molestation. Fucking Ted down the street at 25 is not an excuse.
Aborting a fetus at 6 weeks, it's not even developed a nervous system yet.
HeadSet says
HeadSet says
Condoms. the pill, IUDs and foam are all conception control.
Semantics. You got me. But I think you know what I meant.
Sorry, did not mean that as a dig at you. I was more referring to the women who argue "no one uses abortion is as birth control" when in fact the only reason one has an abortion is to prevent a birth. Abortion is only used when no one practiced conception control and they do not want to bother with offering up for adoption.
No religious bone in my body. You are literally completely fucked up mentally. Live the life. I have a nephew that's 12 years old. Black. He'd be the 7th abortion. You think that's fucking okay?
Just because it was in the first trimester? As much as my situation has changed, that's a fucked up mind set. Just kill a kid because of "nervous system?" That's fucked up dude. Get some help.
You can't possibly think that a 6th week old fetus is the same thing as a 12 year old kid.
You can't possibly think that a 6th week old fetus is the same thing as a 12 year old kid.
richwicks says
You can't possibly think that a 6th week old fetus is the same thing as a 12 year old kid.
Life is life.
If you equate that the life of a human being at 11 years is the same as 3 months into a pregnancy, that's just silly.
What is the difference in terms of the right to not be killed?
I think that modern science makes a compelling argument that a new human being is created at conception. Where do you draw the line(s) to relax the prohibition against killing innocent humans?
Because a human at 11 weeks of development doesn't even have a brain structure yet. It's more immoral to kill a mouse than it is to destroy that.
You may be right that abortionists are breeding themselves out. I am not concerned about laws, but about making a moral judgment.
You seem to make some strange assertions. Are you saying it's immoral to kill mice but it is not immoral to kill ½ of the adult human population?
As far as I know, in all societies killing innocent humans is prohibited. You say that some human beings should not have this protection. Which are those?
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