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I believe:

1. The earth that we all live on is a spinning globe.
2. All evidence of space travel by humans including to and from the ISS is either inconclusive or demonstrably fake.
3. Yes there are things orbiting the earth, satellites if you will, but they are all natural objects including what is taken for the ISS. Calling a dish or radio receiver a “satellite” receiver doesn’t mean it’s receiving messages from outer space.

Undoctored says

Satellites are also fake. Telecommunication is done via earthly radio transmitters and cables. If satellites were any good you wouldn’t need cell towers everywhere. “Satellite” radio and TV services is just a marketing gimmick.

Now you're just trolling. This would be trivial for any HAM operator to figure out.

Are the HAM operators in on it?

I’m not trolling. This is what I believe. Then again I don’t know enough about ham radio to know whether a radio operator on the ground would be able to distinguish a satellite from a high altitude radio balloon.

https://www.overlookhorizon.com/radio-tracking-information/?source=patrick.net

In any case I’m happy to drop the subject of satellites and concentrate on human space travel or just the moon landing for the purposes of this topic. My point was mostly that you can have very far reaching skepticism about space technology without going “flat earth.”

Undoctored says

I’m not trolling. This is what I believe. Then again I don’t know enough about ham radio to know whether a radio operator on the ground would be able to distinguish a satellite from a high altitude radio balloon.

https://www.overlookhorizon.com/radio-tracking-information/?source=patrick.net

In any case I’m happy to drop the subject of satellites and concentrate on human space travel or just the moon landing for the purposes of this topic. My point was mostly that you can have very far reaching skepticism about space technology without going “flat earth.”

I don't know why people are skeptical of satellites. They are hardly difficult to understand. They are just in orbit. Orbit is when the centripetal force == gravitational pull. In low earth orbit, this is about 15,000 miles an hour. In geosynchronous orbit it's about 7,000 mph.

I can reasonably believe that the entire mission to the moon was faked, PROVIDED my understanding of nation states is COMPLETELY wrong. It would be something like all wars are fake, all governments co-operate, and we already live under a one world government without our knowledge. That's a LOT to swallow, but it's conceivable.

However there's no reason to fake satellites, or the ISS. If it's just an excuse to steal money from the public, I can think of a few million ways to do it more easily. The Fed can, for example, just print money and not tell the public - which is exactly what they do anyhow. They can just have a shitty health care system in which they steal 1/2 the money because the books aren't open anyhow. They could just start bullshit wars which aren't meant to win, and cut a deal with the "defense" contractors for 1/2.

If we could use balloons instead of satellites, that would be awesome. Far cheaper to launch. Would be trivial to do phone and internet coverage - keeping them stationary though, THAT would be a problem.

One thing I've learned over the last 2 years is engineers can be duped, OUTSIDE OF THEIR FIELD. I know so many people that believe in the pandemic nonsense, but for satellites? We have fun calculating all this crap. If you have a decent high power telescope, you can see the ISS - well for a brief period of time as it passes from the light to the dark side of the Earth - it quickly goes into shadow.

GPS is based on Doppler shift of satellites. You could do it (very crudely) with Sputnik. Talking about Sputnik, that would have had to been a conspiracy between our nation and the USSR - same as with the moon landing. It's just obtaining orbit is pretty easy with massive power. It's not even really rocket science, although it's literally rocket science. The big problem with rocket science is "how do we keep this bomb from exploding, and just having it burn for 10 minutes instead?"

Satellites are real, ISS is real (and a complete waste of money), Mir was real, Skylab was real, but MAYBE the moon missions were entirely faked. I'd say that possibility is less than 1 in 10,000.

tanked says

So which one is it, a psy op or a running joke? Flying Spaghetti Monster also comes to mind.

I don't bother to worry which it might be, could be a 3rd or 4th alternative, it could be a combination.

I just know it's false. I don't care where it's coming from.

richwicks says

tanked says

So which one is it, a psy op or a running joke? Flying Spaghetti Monster also comes to mind.

I don't bother to worry which it might be, could be a 3rd or 4th alternative, it could be a combination.

I just know it's false. I don't care where it's coming from.

Not just false but laughably false. Even in Columbus' time they knew the earth was round, AND the correct size. They just didn't know the Americas were there. Columbus believed the earth was only 8000 miles around and that's why he could make it to India without starving to death/dying of thirst.

Even in Ancient Egypt they knew the earth was round and the correct size based on the length of a shadow at high noon.

As soon as humans got seafaring they knew. Ships departing disappear from the horizon before they should, because of the curve of the earth.