patrick.net

Henry Kissinger was exactly correct. Building healthy respectful relationships should be the goal of America, vs. encouraging friction and the threat of war. Are people really so eager to give their lives and the lives of their loved ones to make a point that America is right and other countries are wrong regarding how they govern within their borders. America is far from perfect. The audacity of the US to be constantly criticizing how other countries lead within their borders is ludicrous. We are far from perfect and if anyone has noticed lately, America is a very divided country, with huge disparities in standard of living, a poor health care system with rampant overpricing, one of the lower life expectancy rates of developed countries, high infant mortality, a government run by special interest groups, and lobbyists employed by corporations that continue to rob the American people of a healthy and upwardly mobile standard of living, with the highest cost of health care of any country. We in America are used to these things, but when judged by someone outside of America, they would rightly be viewed as major problems for the American people with a government that doesn't care about the welfare of most of its citizens. In spite of these injustices within our borders, no other country has the righteous attitude that they should dictate how America is run. Should China or Russia comment on our racial injustices, gun violence, immigration debacles, or other American internal issues? America needs to get a grip, and stop criticizing foreign countries unless they are a threat to America or American allies.
There can be great benefit in countries being economically engaged with one another. Consider a time when we (Russia, China, America, Europe, and other nations) are all benefitting from one another economically and each country is enriched through these interconnections. Would any of those countries want to hurt the other? No they would not because they would then be hurting themselves. That is the way to have peace in the world. Everyone benefits from each other, and it's in everyone's best interest to continue to prosper and grow. That's it. Unfortunately America would rather continue with their holier-than-thou, judgmental behavior, rather than establishing respectful relationships that work together and build alliances that help one another grow, thrive and coexist in strength and unity.

Bd6r says

Damned foreigner comes with sword to East European village, he will die by the sword. No propaganda and deep ideological convictions needed.

So what about the CIA in 2014? What about their specially trained Nazi battalion in Donbas 2014-2022? Just wondering if your statement applies in all situations, or just the ones you're told to care about?

I supported the Maiden shit when it first happened. Remember watching it live, and there was some guy spouting Nazi shit in the live comments. Didn't make sense to me at the time, but learned the truth a few years later. I'm not afraid to admit when I've fallen for propaganda because I'm just on the side of truth. And it's a lonely fucking side to be on, because most people's political affiliations require them to compromise truth.

I found this helpful:
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/russian-z-military-symbol?source=patrick.net

NuttBoxer says

So what about the CIA in 2014? What about their specially trained Nazi battalion in Donbas 2014-2022?

What does that have to do with villager attitude towards Russians who are coming into their villages?
Also, you may want to check on Vagner paramilitaries on Russian side, who, as far as I know are just as Nazi as Azov battalion. Were they trained by CIA as well? Have you listened to Igor Strelkov, who is GRU and started war in Donbas on Russian side, and was 1st defense minister of Donbas republic? Would you consider him a nazi, and if yes, was he paid off/trained by CIA?

Bd6r says

What does that have to do with villager attitude towards Russians who are coming into their villages?

The same thing it has to do with Donbas villagers attitudes for the past eight years when Nazi militias are attacking them.

If there are Nazi's fighting for Russia that would be unusual given the history of WWII, but as I haven't read about it, I won't say it's outside the realm of possibility, just unlikely.

Your comments bring up a good contrast. We may have extremists fighting on both sides. But if that was the case, they would not both be CIA. CIA is a Western globalist organization, KGB is probably the closest they have to a Eastern counterpart. If you see similarities between the two sides, that's not coincidence. At least as far back as WWII there have been two distinct approaches to what they call the New World Order. But just as in Orwell's fiction, it matters not what side you claim to be on, because in the end, it's all Big Brother.

And this is my point. If you are only against Russia, in reality you support Russia more than I do. Because you are still supporting one side of the NWO, and I'm against both sides.

I have no problem lambasting both sides, because I'm not a globalist. What about you?

NuttBoxer says

What about you?

I dont like wars, no matter where they are started. But I think the main fault lies with party starting the war. For example, US is at fault for starting Iraq, Afghanistan, etc wars, no matter what the rationalization. Russia is at fault for starting war in Ukraine, Georgia, Chechnia, etc.

Chechnya and Ukraine and Georgia are bordering Russia. Iraq, Afghanistan couldn't be further away from the US. In the end, shock of shocks, OBL was in Pakistan a mile from their West Point Equivalent, and it was an open secret.

They were just waiting for a "Plausible Confirmation" which they finally got from a defector, but they knew where he was for a long time. It also allowed them to say "Oh, this Islamist former sympathizer knew where OBL was, but not the ISI/Paki Gov." Which is 110% BS.

Dubya was very light on Pakistan, and Obama was a symp.

AmericanKulak says

Chechnya and Ukraine and Georgia are bordering Russia

Irrelevant in my mind. They should be able to do as they please provided they dont attack Russia.

Bd6r says

AmericanKulak says

Chechnya and Ukraine and Georgia are bordering Russia

Irrelevant in my mind. They should be able to do as they please provided they dont attack Russia.

If Mexico discussed hosting Chinese or Russian bases, then goodbye Mexican Government, I don't care if the Public voted for it 95%.

Cuba sure didn't have a right to host Short/Intermediate Range Ballistic Missiles, and JFK was willing to risk a nuclear war. Good thing Kurschev blinked (and he got Pershings out of Turkey in return, the less known quo pro quo)




The Swiss solved this one, be a porcupine but strictly neutral. Finns also adopted much of this idea, be harder to chew than is worth biting, but don't overtly join alliances against the neighboring big dog.

Especially if one is on a big boy's border. That doesn't mean it should be painless, but if one big boy does all it can to turn a small fry against it's big boy neighbor, well.

It was fine when Russia was a basket case, but the first thing Russia did when it get fit enough was take care of the gang muscling in on it's own neighborhood.

(The latter case remains to be seen, we'll know if a few weeks/months)

Bd6r says

Russia is at fault for starting war in Ukraine, Georgia, Chechnia, etc.

What about NATO conducting drills with Ukraine despite guaranteeing Russia at the end of WWII that they would never extend beyond Germany? What about the CIA unseating the elected leader, and training extremist factions? What about the US bio-labs all over Ukraine? What about Ukraine never fulfilling the treaty they agreed to, recognizing the Donbas region? What about Ukrainian Nazi's bombing civilians in Donbass, including two schools, in an ongoing war against ethnic Russians in Ukraine for the past eight years?

Russia does share blame, I won't deny that, but you still aren't willing to admit there is no good side here? I am.

There is no good side, this is Realpolitik trumping the International Rules Based order Bullshit, enforced by a Hyperpower who is $30T in debt, maybe a third or half of it due to that.

We could have still been the Untouchable Big Cheese if our companies weren't allowed to outsource to China like mad in the 90s, and we adopted more drilling and nuclear power.

It's of absolute critical necessity that Europe re-arm, and if they don't, we leave it.

NuttBoxer says

despite guaranteeing Russia at the end of WWII that they would never extend beyond Germany?

I am not aware of that, link would be helpful.
NuttBoxer says

Ukraine never fulfilling the treaty they agreed to, recognizing the Donbas region?

Not aware of that either.
NuttBoxer says

What about Ukrainian Nazi's bombing civilians in Donbass, including two schools, in an ongoing war against ethnic Russians in Ukraine for the past eight years?

Leader of these Ukrainian Nazis is an ethnic Russian from Crimea, and at least initially most of Donbaa battalion fighters were Russian speakers. I dont think you have too good of an information.
BTW I am no fan of Taliban, but it was their land that was attacked. Same with Ukrainians now.

The Russians are doing such a pathetic job "invading" Ukraine which makes me wonder if this was so badly planned or if the military is sabotaging themselves since nobody besides this fucktard Putin wants this war?

Save_Ukraine says

The Russians are doing such a pathetic job "invading" Ukraine which makes me wonder if this was so badly planned or if the military is sabotaging themselves since nobody besides this fucktard Putin wants this war?

Most of money allocated to military was stolen. Russian leaders thought that Ukrainian army will fold because Nazis, and that did not happen.

Bd6r says

I am not aware of that, link would be helpful.

Again, in the sources I've already provided, and I didn't post many. But here's one more, although this is not from WWII:
https://alethonews.com/2022/02/18/document-confirms-us-told-russia-nato-wont-expand/?source=patrick.net

Bd6r says

Not aware of that either.

The Minsk agreement. Wow, I knew about this one within a few days of this escalation in February. Kind of a main reason Russia gave for their actions. Whatever varied sources your reading, you need to get some new ones.

Bd6r says

Leader of these Ukrainian Nazis is an ethnic Russian from Crimea, and at least initially most of Donbaa battalion fighters were Russian speakers. I dont think you have too good of an information.

You seriously believe a Russian would be racist against other Russians? How the fuck do you rationalize that? Your way off here, seems like the prospect of supporting racists really bothers you:
https://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/crimes-against-humanity-ukraine-president-poroshenko-keeps-his-word-weve-bombed-the-schools-donbass-children-dont-go-to-school/?source=patrick.net

And here's where we really separate. I have not problem calling Putin what he is, and the Russian what they are. But you have been given two opportunities to denounce the US, NATO, and the Ukraine for their part in this war, and you haven't. So bullshit on your peace loving outlook. You have no problem with war as long as it fits your worldview. That's why you won't denounce everyone responsible. That's why you fell for this propaganda so easily, and have never looked at anything I've posted on it, or questioned it's non-coincidental timeline with the scamdemic.

Save_Ukraine says

The Russians are doing such a pathetic job "invading" Ukraine which makes me wonder if this was so badly planned or if the military is sabotaging themselves since nobody besides this fucktard Putin wants this war?

That's cartoonish, like you're in a movie, and there's an obvious bad guys everything gets blamed on. Betting you cheered Iraq too.

Bd6r says

Most of money allocated to military was stolen. Russian leaders thought that Ukrainian army will fold because Nazis, and that did not happen.

Ukraine air defense and air-fields were completely eliminated in the first few hours. You don't try to arm untrained civilians and beg for money and guns if you still have a military. Propaganda doesn't hold up well to scrutiny, that's why you have to go balls deep if you're gonna push, otherwise it will fall apart, and you'll quickly denounce it.

Btw, I talked to a former co-worker today, a former Russian citizen who is largely of Ukrainian origin.

He does not know why Putin decided to invade. He says that they already had borders with NATO countries, for example Poland.

He brought up the possibility that Putin may just be acting his part in globalist theater being put on for us all.

NuttBoxer says

Save_Ukraine says

The Russians are doing such a pathetic job "invading" Ukraine which makes me wonder if this was so badly planned or if the military is sabotaging themselves since nobody besides this fucktard Putin wants this war?

That's cartoonish, like you're in a movie, and there's an obvious bad guys everything gets blamed on. Betting you cheered Iraq too.

Whats cartoonish? That Russia's invasion army demonstrates a pathetic performance or that Russians soldiers dont want this war and maybe sabotage this cluster fuck?

The russian people dont want this war. The kids being sent to war were told they are liberators and will be welcomed. Most of them dont want to kill civilians and a long drawn war with their neighbors/relatives/friends.

There is clearly only one bad guy here, fucktard Putin.

So funny to think that people still think that modern day Russia = WW2 Soviet style military steamroller (with massive help from the US), when if they bothered to look at Russia's long term military history it's a record of relatively poor performance.

Breaking: Russia offers immediate stop of military operations for Donbass and Ukraine neutrality.

Patrick says

Btw, I talked to a former co-worker today, a Russian national who is largely of Ukrainian origin.

He does not know why Putin decided to invade. He says that they already had borders with NATO countries, for example Poland.

He brought up the possibility that Putin may just be acting his part in globalist theater being put on for us all.

yep, it's strange, I haven't heard from a single one who is ready to defend this "brutal aggression" for the Zelinsky govt - again anecdotal but there goes the msm narrative. Some keep doing their daily lives and work and insist they're safe/fine. Kiev has been pretty quiet as well - hopefully they can fix this with some diplomacy and we everyone will be safe and we can leave the scamdemic and this aggressive shit behind us.

Save_Ukraine says

There is clearly only one bad guy here, fucktard Putin.

So are you saying Zelensky is right to censor while Russia is wrong to censor?

https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-zelenskiy-bans-three-opposition-tv-stations/a-56438505?source=patrick.net

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/morgan-stanley-sees-russia-set-161814422.html?source=patrick.net

Morgan Stanley Says Russia’s Set for Venezuela-Style Default

Patrick says

Save_Ukraine says

There is clearly only one bad guy here, fucktard Putin.

So are you saying Zelensky is right to censor while Russia is wrong to censor?

https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-zelenskiy-bans-three-opposition-tv-stations/a-56438505?source=patrick.net

I am not saying anything about censoring. I couldnt care less about censoring.

I care about russian kids ("soldiers") being forced into a war to kill innocent civilians in a foreign country. The russian people dont want their children to kill innocent ukrainian kids/women/men. I am pretty sure the russian people are not changing their mind if they learn Zelensky has censored a TV channel. or two, of 20 channels.

Save_Ukraine says

I couldnt care less about censoring.

You should care about censoring if you care who the bad guy is. Censorship is a mark of a bad guy for sure.

And you should care about Ukrainian kids being thrown at Russians in a suicide mission to save a profoundly corrupt oligarchy.

Basically, you are asking people to die to protect the power of Ihor Kolomoyskyi, not for Ukraine.

https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/03/04/rise-of-zelensky-from-comedian-to-president/?source=patrick.net

Russia is simply stealing bullet points from our DoD presentations and saying that the Ukrainian military is simply hiding behind its civilians.

The typical Ukrainian has absolutely nothing to fight for (GDP per capita is about $3k per YEAR).

Western and Ukrainian leadership don't want their people to hear that.

Patrick says

And you should care about Ukrainian kids being thrown at Russians in a suicide mission to save a profoundly corrupt oligarchy.

Basically, you are asking people to die to protect the power of Ihor Kolomoyskyi, not for Ukraine.

I care about all Ukrainians that die in this senseless war against them. Nobody besides Putin wants this war. I hope he gets assassinated.
The corruption in Ukraine and the various crooks dont concern me. There's a big difference between invading a peaceful country and shelling refugee convoys versus being corrupt and a criminal. Not even remotely on the same level for me.

I am pretty sure Russia will lose big time here. There is no way for them to actually occupy Ukraine. Shelling refugees doesnt win wars. The moral of the Russian troops is horrible as they dont even want to be there.

You tell a 19year old soldier you are going to do a maneuver at the Ukrainian border and then quickly switch the story to: nevermind, you are now crossing the border and you will be greeted with open arms by the Ukrainians who need your help......another "whoops, nevermind" now you are being told to kill innocent civilians and shell refugee convoys?

That kid's like fuck that I want to go back home. No wonder these russian kids are sabotaging their equipment. They'd rather be at home back in Russia with mom making their food. Be home play xbox with buddies or kill innocent civilians and be hated by the world? Seems like an easy choice.

If no good comes of the Russian invasion of Ukraine EXCEPT for the destruction of Hunter Biden’s secret Biological Warfare labs, that’s still enough to make Putin the HERO.
We do NOT need another man made pandemic! And it seems nakedly obvious that they were planning a whole series of them.

Patrick says

You should care about censoring if you care who the bad guy is. Censorship is a mark of a bad guy for sure.

Censorship NEVER, ever, without exception, ends well. It is always the mark of Tyranny, full stop, end of story, period.

I'm pretty sure it will not. I mean: CNN said it will and Lavrov said it won't and we all know CNN always lies and Lavrov always tells the truth.

Hitler phones Zelensky:
https://youtu.be/2EBaJDDQymg?source=patrick.net

Booger says

Hitler phones Zelensky:
https://youtu.be/2EBaJDDQymg?source=patrick.net

LOL @ "I'm tired of being compared to Putin!!!"

no one over the age of 12 or with an IQ over 90 seriously believes that the Russians are going to invade Ukraine anytime soon

-GONZALO LIRA
Feb 2023

made a meme

zzyzzx says

Random factoid: Pyrrhus (of Pyrrhic victory fame) first brought war elephants to Italy, and the Roman Legions figured out on the second encounter that they should wrap their legs in rope to bring them down.
That inspired the scene from Star Wars, but with AT-ATs as War Elephants and Snow Speeders as Roman Cavalry.