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Will Russia invade Ukraine?


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2022 Feb 18, 12:20pm   17,687 views  371 comments

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My take: Yes

see https://nitter.pussthecat.org/newkc14?source=patrick.net

Evacuation of civilians from Doneck, Gleiwitz-style explosions in Doneck, and a lot of shelling along border.

Less probable is that they just want to increase tensions to get something out of the West (higher oil/gas prices, promises about non-expansion of NATO, etc).

If they do invade, ZH and a lot of skeptics owe Bidet & Co an apology of sorts. Everything goes to crap if invasion happens, as in economy of the world, residual civil liberties, etc, and one can blame Russians for inflation, loss of life quality, etc, instead of real culprit Bidet.

If I'd be conspiratorial, I'd say that Bidet agents in Russia will push for Russian invasion, but on other hand current CIA and military here can only shout pronouns at enemies as seen from Afghanistan debacle.

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82   Bd6r   2022 Feb 24, 9:00am  

Shaman says
And then Europe will be quite literally out in the cold.

They will generate renewable solar energy in November in Germany/sarc off
83   Patrick   2022 Feb 24, 9:09am  

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/biden-exploits-russia-conflict-political-gain/?source=patrick.net


White House press secretary Jen Psaki, with zero self awareness, touted Biden’s “different approach” to the Russian conflict than his predecessor. Francis Fukuyama, a political scientist at Stanford, expressed gratitude that Trump is not in office, asserting that he’d “side with Russia.” Matthew Dowd, the former George W. Bush political strategist, said those blaming Biden for the invasion of Ukraine should plant a Russian flag on their lawns.

What they’re missing, obviously, is that Putin didn’t play games with Ukraine when “Russian stooge” Trump was in office. Perhaps because he had no qualms about giving Ukraine weapons assistance. Maybe because his unpredictability made him fearsome. Possibly because his statements about Russia and Putin that caused — and still cause — apoplectic responses from the establishment were surprisingly good diplomacy.


Further proof that the Biden administration is playing politics with the situation in Russia? They’re conveniently blaming the conflict for rising energy costs and supply chain issues, which have been happening since the start of Biden’s presidency. Biden and Psaki warned there would be a “cost” to pay domestically for “defending democracy and liberty” in Ukraine. CBS News published an article in lockstep with this message, reporting, “The US economy has been hit with increased gas prices, inflation and supply-chain issues due to the Ukraine crisis.”

Just like with the “blame Trump” messaging, other outlets are sure to follow suit.
84   Eric Holder   2022 Feb 24, 9:16am  

RC2006 says
mell says
FuckCCP89 says


Wtf this must be a fake. Nobody can be that daft. But then again...


Like I've said many times, the fact you can't tell makes it that much worse. I think it's real they are clown world crazy.


Yep.
85   Patrick   2022 Feb 24, 9:17am  

https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-warns-russia-that-if-they-dont-stop-he-will-deploy-deadly-trans-admiral?source=patrick.net





Diversity and inclusion experts speculate the firepower in just one trans admiral is capable of leveling 3 Russian cities to the ground using the incredible destructive power of intersectional identity politics. Foreign policy experts believe Russia is outmatched by America's stunning diversity and inclusion capabilities and will soon be forced to surrender.

Sources say Ukrainian citizens will certainly sleep better tonight knowing the power of diversity is on their side.
86   Eric Holder   2022 Feb 24, 9:17am  

Shaman says

I concur. It’s also going to get super froggy for Europeans who were depending on that Russian gas and petroleum to move their lorries and heat their homes. Russia can sell all their gas to China which has an endless market for it. And then Europe will be quite literally out in the cold.


Well, I'm old enough to remember certain Orange Dude offering them unlimited supply of American LNG and urging them to build terminals for it. Only Poland did build one. The rest were howling "how dares he push that disgusting product of earf-killing fracking on us!"
87   Bd6r   2022 Feb 24, 9:21am  

Dead and captured Russians:

https://twitter.com/newkc14/status/1496864938257752072?

Supposedly, destroyed Russian equipment in Sumy:

https://twitter.com/crimea_john/status/1496882370221379584?

However, we can't be 100% sure if it is Russian or Ukrainian.

More, this time Russian for sure:

https://t.me/a_shtirlitz/15731?source=patrick.net

One more destroyed Russian armor column:

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/crimea_john/status/1496828804119121927?source=patrick.net#m

Minus two Russian helicopters:

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/crimea_john/status/1496802418629165056?source=patrick.net#m
88   Bd6r   2022 Feb 24, 9:25am  

Eric Holder says
Only Poland did build one.

Lithuania in Butinge build another
89   Bd6r   2022 Feb 24, 9:38am  

Minus a few Russian armored vehicles

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/zloy_odessit/status/1496809577546981382?source=patrick.net#m

minus Russian Ka-52

https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/24-february-russian-ka52-helicopter-shot-near-hostomel?source=patrick.net

I don't want to sound way too pessimistic, but if Ukrainians beat Russian ass and Putin is afraid for his own life, we are in danger of thermonuclear war. He has thrown 80% of Russian army against Ukraine, and if something goes wrong, he will behave like a cornered rat. I don't think Russian army is motivated to fight in Ukraine (against "brotherly" Slavic nation), there are already reports of desertions (but we need to verify if these are real or Ukrainian propaganda). There are also plenty of ethnic Ukrainians in Russian army.
93   Patrick   2022 Feb 24, 9:44am  




Might be.
94   Eric Holder   2022 Feb 24, 10:36am  

Patrick says





Might be.


Putin is Bidet's puppet?
96   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2022 Feb 24, 10:49am  

Putin is done. He is a dinosaur from another age. Time for all aged boomer world leaders to pack up their archaic world views and trot off into the sunset.
98   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2022 Feb 24, 11:04am  

Tenpoundbass says




Must be one of them there Nazi's that Putin was referring to.
101   Eric Holder   2022 Feb 24, 11:16am  

Al_Sharpton_for_President says
Tenpoundbass says




Must be one of them there Nazi's that Putin was referring to.


THE HEAD NAZI. LITERALLY HITLER'S GRANDSON!
102   Bd6r   2022 Feb 24, 11:19am  

Supposedly, Hostomel airport was taken by Russian paratroopers, but now they have been killed and captured after a many hour battle. https://nitter.pussthecat.org/newkc14/status/1496920430703173634?source=patrick.net#m

An optimistic piece of information from our favorite Al-Nusra channel says that Ukrainians burned about 200 pieces of Russian armor near Kharkov. They might be somewhat blinded in their hatred for Russians though.

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/newkc14/status/1496920201417396225?source=patrick.net#m

They also say that just before yesterday's attack, two Turkish military transports landed in Ukraine.
103   Eric Holder   2022 Feb 24, 11:24am  

Bd6r says
Supposedly, Hostomel airport was taken by Russian paratroopers, but now they have been killed and captured after a many hour battle. https://nitter.pussthecat.org/newkc14/status/1496920430703173634?source=patrick.net#m



This location, I believe: https://t.me/spravdi/534?source=patrick.net
106   Ceffer   2022 Feb 24, 11:58am  

Long memories and short fuses:
Putin Begins Slavic Revenge Against Nazis With “Constructive Destruction” Doctrine

https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=193861&source=patrick.net
"Leading NATO countries pursue their own goal by fully supporting Ukraine's extreme Nazis and neo-Nazis, who, in turn, will never forgive the people of Crimea and Sevastopol for their free choice to reunify with Russia.

They will, of course, go to Crimea, like to Donbass, the way they do it, to kill, like executioners from the bands of Ukrainian Nazi supporters of Hitler were killing innocent people during World War II

Now, they also want to possess nuclear weapons. We will not let them do that."
109   Ceffer   2022 Feb 24, 12:46pm  

That Mitt! What a gamester!


110   Ceffer   2022 Feb 24, 12:59pm  

I don't think this is a real invasion. It is just exploding a lot of weapons inventories so that the greenhouse gases can't threaten other parts of the world. Putin is saving the environment.
111   Shaman   2022 Feb 24, 1:07pm  

Here’s a different take on the situation:
1)The Nordstream 1 pipeline provides Europe with 40% of its energy needs currently. This has resulted in wealth and prosperity for Russia and reasonably priced gas for EU.
2)Russians have been building Nordstream 2 pipeline. It just finished a few months ago and has been in the testing/inspection phase before launching. It would bring the EU to 80% energy provided by Russia.
3)The Russians have invested enormous capital into the second pipeline which goes under the Baltic Sea.
4)Biden approved the second pipeline with a caveat that if the Russians invaded Ukraine even a little, approval would be cancelled. Germany signed this treaty.
5) Putin declared two new independent states which haven’t been governed by Ukraine in eight years, and in response, Biden invoked the treaty to cancel the Nordstream 2.
6) This development is catastrophic for Russian interests, and can’t be tolerated. They felt they had nothing to lose and might as well invade for real, and use whatever gains were made for pressuring the EU into more favorable terms including opening that Nordstream 2 pipeline.

So here we are. As usual, the conflict is over energy and oil. And also influence over the EU. Clearly the USA wants to paint Russia as an antagonist and future foil for military adventurism, refusing all previous overtures of friendship from the Russians. And as such, the USA can’t afford to have the EU shackled by energy obligations in the 80% range to a world power we wish to combat. The EU wouldn’t help us with our next little conflict to “mitigate Russian influence” or whatever, because Russia would have them over a barrel with respect to energy.

So it’s all about oil and money and power games. As usual.
113   zzyzzx   2022 Feb 24, 1:54pm  




Hitler reacts to Russia invading Ukraine - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRYlA5-ARTY&source=patrick.net
114   fdhfoiehfeoi   2022 Feb 24, 2:06pm  

This has shit to do with US, with the problems in the US, with anything that affects anyone on patnet. The only thing I care about, is US stays the fuck out.

Bd6r says
Result for us will be a lot of inflation, oil above only 100 if we are lucky, expansion of State powers in an orgasmic union of neocons and lefties, stock market crash, and drop in life quality. You did it, Joe!


There's already historic inflation, has been since 2008. But sure, let's blame anyone but central banks.

We have more oil than almost every other country, again, doesn't have shit to do with our oil prices.

Expansion of powers UNLIKE the last two years?

If this is what causes the market crash, how the fuck did I call it two years ago? Again, has shit to do with that.

My quality of life has mostly improved, despite everything my own government does to try and fuck me. You think that's gonna change because of some countries 10,000 mile away?
115   Bd6r   2022 Feb 24, 2:16pm  

NuttBoxer says
There's already historic inflation, has been since 2008. But sure, let's blame anyone but central banks.

We have more oil than almost every other country, again, doesn't have shit to do with our oil prices.

Expansion of powers UNLIKE the last two years?

If this is what causes the market crash, how the fuck did I call it two years ago? Again, has shit to do with that.

My quality of life has mostly improved, despite everything my own government does to try and fuck me. You think that's gonna change because of some countries 10,000 mile away?

I am not arguing that it is crappy now, but do you really think that Bidet will now allow expanding of oil production? And what will higher oil prices do to inflation?
Also, I am not arguing that civil liberties already are nearly removed, but now "they" have excuse to remove the rest. Hopefully I am wrong, but we may see "expansion of powers unlike we have seen before".
This mess is convenient for State power advocates (up to a point).
116   AmericanKulak   2022 Feb 24, 2:25pm  

Shaman says
So here we are. As usual, the conflict is over energy and oil. And also influence over the EU. Clearly the USA wants to paint Russia as an antagonist and future foil for military adventurism, refusing all previous overtures of friendship from the Russians. And as such, the USA can’t afford to have the EU shackled by energy obligations in the 80% range to a world power we wish to combat. The EU wouldn’t help us with our next little conflict to “mitigate Russian influence” or whatever, because Russia would have them over a barrel with respect to energy.


My take:

Germany is fundamentally unwilling to develop nuclear power, and they are comfortable with Russian Gas imports. They made that decision a decade or so ago, and they're happy with it.

Germany runs the EU. What Germany wants, it gets.

Poland, Hungary, Romania probably don't like it, but the EU isn't a democracy, it's really run by the Council, which is controlled by a Franco-German center. Remember, the EU Parliament can't make laws or repeal laws, it only votes on bills written by the EU Council up or down. And the Council just keeps reintroducing bills the Parliament votes down until the Council gets a Parliament that votes yes.

So this will all blow over, but it's another slam to the Prestige of the US and the West in general. The smart move would have been to renegotiate some of the 1991-1994 crap with Russia and get some concessions from Russia in return,

Rather than being stubborn about it - but simultaneously be UNWILLING to really DO something about it. In other words, big talk small hat.

Nobody is going to risk New York or Paris for Donetsk or frankly, Riga. Putin knows it and called the bluff.
117   Eric Holder   2022 Feb 24, 2:53pm  

According to this glorious jorno Russia still hasn't invaded anything: https://twitter.com/i/status/1496821150776807424?source=patrick.net
118   Tenpoundbass   2022 Feb 24, 4:09pm  

If this were a real invasion, Putin would be bombing the shit out of them nonstop, he would have 100,000's of troops on the ground.

That's my personal take on it. But then again, if Putin is invading, and just doing it as a slow roll, and is lying out of his ass. I'm not sure what my action item is about that.
As I'm still trying to figure out what to do about the lies our Government has fed us the world going all the way back to the day G.W. Bush took office.

So fucking What? Ukraine should have thrown our CIA and State Department out of Ukraine when they were used as pawns by Biden, and for damn sure when they were used again to take out Trump. Let Ukraine be Ukraine.
120   Ceffer   2022 Feb 24, 4:55pm  

Putin offers Ukraine peace if they surrender Hunter's crack stash:
https://t.me/gatewaypunditofficial/10890?source=patrick.net

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