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The_Deplorable says

Lindsey Graham: "Your fight is our fight... Enough of the Russian aggression... Our fight is not with the Russian people but with Putin. "

What annoys me, is these bastards are always saying "the LAST thing we want is war!!!"

That's all the want.

'You scum. You b - get your a* out of the offices!!': Moment Wagner chief EXPLODES with fury at Putin's minions over Moscow drone attacks... as humiliated Vlad admits on TV his air defence was shoddy

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12140065/Moment-Wagner-chief-EXPLODES-fury-Putins-minions-Moscow-drone-attacks.html

Fucking "superpower", with "second military in the world" over which amoebas like McGregor and his disciples are pissing their collective bed every night can't fucking close airspace over the capital and fucking Kremlin in particilar and from what - fucking slow and noisy drones. Nothing has changed since 1987 when Mattias Rust landed a Cessna-172 (a Cessna, Karl!) on Red fucking Square. Muahahahaha!

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/never-give-up-wednesday-may-31-2023?publication_id=463409&post_id=125040561&isFreemail=true

Over the last few days, Russia destroyed what it claimed was Ukraine’s entire military intelligence headquarters, an oxymoron to be sure, and killed a bunch more bunkered, underground war schemers, including some American and British advisors. Ukraine did not deny that, but retaliated with a swarm of drones launched deep into Russia at its capitol city, Moscow.

It’s not clear the Ukrainian drones did any significant damage. Moscow claims its air defense systems worked. ...

So none of it makes much sense. Russia’s attacks seem strategic and if they can be believed, effective. Ukraine’s counterattacks seem symbolic and mostly intended to deliberately poke the Russian bear. But the Russians have been remarkable patient to this point and not eager to take any of that kind of bait.

I’m also mystified by the endless corporate media chatter about the Ukrainian counteroffensive. I’m just asking, but in war, isn’t it usually best to keep your counteroffensives secret? This Ukraine counteroffensive has to be the most-publicized and slowest-starting counteroffensive in history.




... The absence of any strategic timing, and its interminable “almost starting,” make this whole counteroffensive smell like a psyop. It’s more like a marketing plan than a real military maneuver. I’m not saying there won’t ultimately be fighting and tanks and stuff, but it sure feels a lot like they’re daring the Russians to strike first.

Assuming they know what they are doing, it seems like there’s some kind of obscure military game of chicken going on, and meanwhile ordinary Ukrainians are being ground into hamburger to keep the game going a little longer.

Patrick says

and meanwhile ordinary Ukrainians are being ground into hamburger to keep the game going a little longer.

Both sides are. This has been the most unreported war I've witnessed in my lifetime. It's likely too dangerous for war correspondents to be near active combat. So reports are from non-war front areas. I think both are losing way more than they thought they would.

Russia has the advantage in human bodies to throw at it. They'll be fucked for 50 years though if this gets into 7 figures dead or crippled. And I think that's the US goal as we all know what this really is.

Patrick says

I’m also mystified by the endless corporate media chatter about the Ukrainian counteroffensive. I’m just asking, but in war, isn’t it usually best to keep your counteroffensives secret? This Ukraine counteroffensive has to be the most-publicized and slowest-starting counteroffensive in history.

I think that Ukraine is waiting until June 22nd to start it's offensive.

Patrick says

" https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/never-give-up-wednesday-may-31-2023?publication_id=463409&post_id=125040561&isFreemail=true "

From The link:

"Russia’s attacks seem strategic and if they can be believed, effective."

The Russian strategy is attrition and it is very effective. At this point they are defeating NATO, the US and the Ukrainian army - whatever little is left. The Ukrainians are now resorting to fragging.

"I’m also mystified by the endless corporate media chatter about the Ukrainian counteroffensive... This Ukraine counteroffensive has to be the most-publicized and slowest-starting counteroffensive in history."

To have a counteroffensive you need an army and Ukraine does not have an army. The Russian strategy of attrition wiped them out.

The Ukrainian Counter-offensive is as non-existant as the Great Russian offensive.

The_Deplorable says

To have a counteroffensive you need an army and Ukraine does not have an army. The Russian strategy of attrition wiped them out.

Russia supposedly wiped out the Ukrainian army, but still can't make any meaningful territorial gains in nearly a year after Russia's embarrassing retreat from Kyiv and Kharkiv? How does that work?

What do you know that Prigozhin doesn't?

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"Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin said on Tuesday that the "special military operation" Russia launched against Ukraine hasn't achieved the results that the Kremlin expected and that Ukraine now has one of the world's most powerful armies.

Russia sought to "demilitarize" Ukraine, but has instead militarized it with some of the best weapons in the world, Prigozhin said, echoing the justifications Russian President Vladimir Putin gave when launching his full-scale invasion against the neighboring country on February 24, 2022.

"The special military operation was done for the sake of denazification and demilitarization. Thus, the denazification of Ukraine, which we talked about, we made Ukraine a nation that is known to everyone all over the world...Ukraine has become a country that is known absolutely everywhere."
https://www.newsweek.com/wagner-group-prigozhin-interview-kremlin-ukraine-war-backfired-1802332

Seems like both sides want to have a frag an officer day.

Those press ganged grannies, old men and children in F16s are going to be quite formidable. That is, after they construct all the specialized runways, servicing auxiliaries and repair facilities that the Russkies don't immolate as fast as they are built.

socal2 says

"Russia supposedly wiped out the Ukrainian army, but still can't make any meaningful territorial gains..."

Again, the Russian strategy is attrition, not territorial gains. There is a difference. The US and NATO want Russia to attack but the Russians are not biting.

"...after Russia's embarrassing retreat from Kyiv and Kharkiv..."

That was not a retreat but a tactical move to boost the defensive line and the strategy of attrition.

"What do you know that Prigozhin doesn't?"

Prigozhin is a friend of Putin and Putin doesn't mind the Prigozhin lose cannon.

RWSGFY says

'You scum. You b - get your a* out of the offices!!': Moment Wagner chief EXPLODES with fury at Putin's minions over Moscow drone attacks... as humiliated Vlad admits on TV his air defence was shoddy

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12140065/Moment-Wagner-chief-EXPLODES-fury-Putins-minions-Moscow-drone-attacks.html

Don't you recognize that stuff like this is specifically designed to manipulate your emotional state?

This is a claim being made in thedailymail. Why would you, even for a moment, assume that an English "news" site would have the ability to get this information if it were true?

We're in an era where voices and video can be entirely computer generated. This is likely just Western propaganda, being reported as fact.

The_Deplorable says

Prigozhin is a friend of Putin and Putin doesn't mind the Prigozhin lose cannon.

Prigozhin said the Ukrainian army is much bigger and better trained and armed now than it was a year ago when the invasion first started.

Yet you say that Ukraine has no army at all........or that it is greatly reduced from last year?

socal2 says

The_Deplorable says

Prigozhin is a friend of Putin and Putin doesn't mind the Prigozhin lose cannon.

Prigozhin said the Ukrainian army is much bigger and better trained and armed now than it was a year ago when the invasion first started.

Yet you say that Ukraine has no army at all........or that it is greatly reduced from last year?

Nobody knows what the real numbers are, it's all propaganda. But it's foolish to clamor to some Putin-hating or Russian-hating narrative or feelings and wanting him to lose badly, Russia certainly isn't losing and has all the time of the world to make everyone fed up with this senseless proxy war. They don't need to win, just keep going and occupy crimea and donbass until people will stop supporting throwing money at the Ukrainians govt which does not benefit its people. Negotiations will end the senseless killings immediately.

Last Ukrainian navy combat ship sunk in Odessa. Odessa gird your loins, you're next?

socal2 says

"Prigozhin said the Ukrainian army is much bigger and better trained and armed now than it was a year ago when the invasion first started."

Then how come Eastern Ukraine is now part of Russia? No answer.

"Yet you say that Ukraine has no army at all........or that it is greatly reduced from last year?"

Ukraine does not have an army and that is why their famous spring counteroffensive did not happen. Russia just captured Bakhmut where Ukraine lost over 50,000 soldiers.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/parasitic-prostitutes-thursday-june?publication_id=463409&post_id=125277192&isFreemail=true

Reliable information about the sordid story has been hard to get hold of. But from various news reports I could stitch together it involves a cast of characters not even Hollywood could make up: a baby trading scheme with a now-jailed Native American Indian chief wherein Leavitt purchased a daughter in exchange for a used car, a peyote-fueled gay hypnotherapist — now arrested for abusing hypnotized patients, a bigger-than-life scam to bilk the federal government for funding shipments of live buffalo to Eastern Europe from Native American lands, and the weirdest, timeliest connection of all: Leavitt’s business partner was the former president of, wait for it, Ukraine.

Victor Yuschenko.

Yuschenko wasn’t just any former Ukraine president. He was instrumental in the Deep State-fueled Orange Revolution, which toppled Ukraine’s democratically-elected but inconveniently pro-Russian Viktor Yanukovych, and ultimately wound up installing actor-qua-war leader Zelenskyy.

For some unexplained reason, after Yuschenko finished assisting the U.S.’s Deep State in overthrowing Yanukovych, he moved on to Utah. The former Ukrainian National Bank President somehow got wrapped up with disgraced baby-trading Utah district attorney David Leavitt, who stands credibly accused of involvement in a large satanic pedophile ring, not to mention the cannibalism thing or the buffalo scam, in which the two partners intended the ship the hapless, wooly animals to Ukraine, and who knows what would happen to the poor beasts once they got there.

Ibid:

Katya, hold the chicken Kyiv! I rubbed my throbbing eyes in disbelief. What did CNN just casually say?

CNN said that the documents the House wants came from UKRAINE. Ukraine, again! And it said Bill Barr got them from Rudy Guiliani before the election. And then Bill Barr buried the incriminating documents under a government buffalo pen in Philadelphia, underneath a stack of cow patties so deep that even now the House is struggling to dig them out of the FBI’s top-secret manure mound.

You’ll remember, I’m sure, the Deep State’s allergic reaction to Trump’s single phone call asking Ukraine for information about Joe Biden’s “activities” there, which lead to Trump Impeachment Circus Number One. They called Trump’s call “election interference.” Kind of like how burying the Hunter Biden laptop story was election interface, but the good kind, but I digress.

I am also sure you will keenly recall Joe Biden’s famous hot-mic brag that he extorted Ukraine into firing its Prosecutor General, Viktor Shokin, who was allegedly investigating him for bribery and who knows what else. Maybe cannibalistic pedophile stuff, who knows.

Anyway, who wants to bet that the Ukrainian documents Rudy Guiliani gave Bill Barr came from the fired prosecutor general, then Barr made them disappear, and now Wray is protecting them?

Oh wait, CNN confirmed the Comer document WAS one of Guiliani’s Ukrainian documents...

In other words, it’s starting to look like there is a WHOLE lot more to this Biden Bribery document than was originally advertised.

And how come every time some truly reprehensible crime story appears, there’s aways a link to Ukraine somewhere? Or is it just my imagination?

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/whats-next/

Have you forgotten our Ukraine project (Let’s you and him fight)? The idea was to bleed Russia dry because, you know… Russia! (They meddle in our elections… they collude with Trump… they tamper with our hopes and dreams….) It was years in the making, impeccably gamed-out in the State Department’s sub-basement. Secret Agent Man Hunter Biden, the then vice-president’s son, was even installed in the dark heart of Ukraine’s power center to… to do what, exactly? Never mind, because what secret agent men do is… secret!

The Ukraine bear trap was supposed to put Russia out-of-business for the foreseeable future. Didn’t work out. The crowning act of boobery was our demolition of the Nord Stream natgas pipelines, which had the predictable effect of putting our NATO allies out-of-business, while Russia turned around and found other customers for its gas. ...

So, let’s face it: Ukraine flopped. The main result of the Ukraine project is that it destroyed the tiny shred of what was left of America’s reputation for acting the global hegemon. In fact, Ukraine revealed that Russia has better weapons than we have (China, too) and that, given the emergence of hypersonic missiles, our gazillion-dollar aircraft carrier fleets are as obsolete as Roman triremes and liburnae. So, what’s our Plan B for defending Taiwan? (Hint: there is none.)

What’s next? Western Europe, facing its own collapse, will turn on America and refuse to continue pretending it can help out in Ukraine. NATO falls apart. (What to do with those vacant office buildings and idle employees?) Europe will have enough problems with its cratering industries and banking system. It may even be obvious to a few heads-of-state that the best outcome is to simply allow Russia to pacify and demilitarize the age-old borderland. After all, for the rolling decades since World War Two, Ukraine was not a problem for anyone until America made it one.

Patrick says

So, let’s face it: Ukraine flopped. The main result of the Ukraine project is that it destroyed the tiny shred of what was left of America’s reputation for acting the global hegemon. In fact, Ukraine revealed that Russia has better weapons than we have (China, too) and that, given the emergence of hypersonic missiles, our gazillion-dollar aircraft carrier fleets are as obsolete as Roman triremes and liburnae. So, what’s our Plan B for defending Taiwan? (Hint: there is none.)

Just alternate universes! Makes me question all of Kunstler's musings going forward.

There is alot of uncertainty in this war, but to categorically claim that Ukraine flopped is retarded. Did anyone really think 15 months ago that Russia would have to do major mobilizations and burn through their Wagner prisoners to occupy and defend less land than they had back in March 2022?

Just watch all the propagandists on Russian TV. They sure as shit don't think Ukraine flopped. Prigozhin is saying that Ukraine's military is stronger and more united now than it was before the war.

socal2 says

There is alot of uncertainty in this war, but to categorically claim that Ukraine flopped is retarded. Did anyone really think 15 months ago that Russia would have to do major mobilizations and burn through their Wagner prisoners to occupy and defend less land than they had back in March 2022?

I predicted it would be a war of attrition before the war began:

https://patrick.net/post/1343140/2021-12-29-a-ukraine-war-and-the-end-of-russia?start=1#comment-1808895

The point of this war isn't to win it, it's to drain resources of the other side. The US, for some STUPID reason thinks that Russia needs "money" and in particular "American money". Russia thinks that the US and Europe need raw materials, food, and energy and will suffer shortages of them now matter how much "money" they have because of 40 years of neglect of infrastructures.

Gee, who will turn out to be right?

The MIC doesn't give a shit, they are making TONS of money off from war profiteering. They want the war to go on forever themselves. IF it destroys this nation? Well, they won't consider it their fault.

In truth, I don't even know if the Neocons who started this shit show particularly care about the nation. These are the same assholes that engineered 9/11 and wrote that incredibly stupid paper called "Rebuilding America's Defenses". It's really hard to tell if they are just fucking liars, are if they actually believe all their own bullshit. If they do believe their bullshit, they are insane.

https://cryptome.org/rad.htm

You have complete lunatics running the country, and they're obviously lunatics, it's very easy to show they are. Nobody cares. Nobody listens. I guess the country does deserve to fail.

RWSGFY says

Fucking "superpower", with "second military in the world" over which amoebas like McGregor and his disciples are pissing their collective bed every night can't fucking close airspace over the capital and fucking Kremlin in particilar and from what - fucking slow and noisy drones. Nothing has changed since 1987 when Mattias Rust landed a Cessna-172 (a Cessna, Karl!) on Red fucking Square. Muahahahaha!

I would like to point out that a commercial airliner her the headquarters of the Department of Defense on 9/11 in Washington DC which is the most highly restricted airspace in the United States.

Of course, I think this was intended to happen. I think that was a false flag.

WookieMan says

Both sides are. This has been the most unreported war I've witnessed in my lifetime.

Oh come, no it isn't. We're at war with Syria, did you know that? How about Yemen and Somalia? We were at war in Afghanistan for 20 years, I remember trying to find out ANY information about what was going on there in 2013 and 2014, I wasn't even certain the war was going on.

This happens all the time. Out of sight, out of mind.

There are obviously a lot of consumers of concierge propaganda, set out in a buffet to accommodate wishful thinking requirements.

Ukraine is a walking zombie that doesn't know it's dead yet, animated by extreme Western outpatient care. Any other conclusion is, or should be, embarrassing to the promulgator.

Some cell
phones liberated:

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1665111550258978817?ref_src=patrick.net

"I love the smell
of phosphorus in the morning....":

https://twitter.com/albafella1/status/1665151425272328192?ref_src=patrick.net

So apparently some dam was blown up, not clear by whom as Ukraine had it on their list of last resort things to do. May line up with a report Ukraine's big offensive was stopped dead in it's tracks...

https://babylonbee.com/news/zelensky-accuses-russia-of-putting-little-nazi-stickers-on-the-helmets-of-all-his-soldiers

“If you have a neck wound, you have 90 seconds to put on a tourniquet, told the group of soldiers in a training ground in Kharkiv Oblast near the Russian border this week. “Or you will likely die.”
https://web.archive.org/web/20230607163146/https://www.thedailybeast.com/ukraine-fears-military-recruitment-crisis-in-the-war-against-russias-army?ref=home?ref=home

Yeah, tighten that torniquet around your neck wound real tight. Make sure your carotid arteries have firm pressure on them.

The money laundering continues even now.

Estimated over two thirds to three fourths of the 'weapons' wind up on the black market? Biden et alia. selling the weapons for kickbacks?
Benjamin Fulford says that Zelensky was giving positions around Bakhmut to the Wagner force because he is funneling slavs into the charnel houses for the Khazarian Mafia Chabad faction in Ukraine, and Wagner is also KM controlled.

An interviewer put it up to Z that he was implicated in the slaughter, and Z freaked out. Fulford says this is why Z is afraid to go back to his Nazi buddies in Ukraine, who may have figured it out, and why Wagner was deprived of ammunition, because Russia was shocked as well by the one way slaughter.

Patrick says

If you studied Russian military history, the Russian army is famous for scorched earth when retreating. One of the reasons why hates Russians is that they periodically burn down everyone's house when retreating. In this case they flooded instead of burning (and the Soviets destroyed this dam in WW2 as they were retreating).

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/02/second-world-war-dnieper-dam-blown-up-by-russians-1941

Second world war: Dnieper dam blown up by Russians – archive, 1941

Stalin’s secret police blew up the dam in an attempt to slow the advance of Nazi German troops as they swept through Soviet-era Ukraine

The destruction of the Dnieper dam, which fed the most powerful hydroelectric plant in Europe and took eight years to complete, is the most spectacular act of destruction in Russia since the burning of Moscow in 1812.

The dam supplied power to large agricultural and industrial areas on both sides of the Dnieper, and was an outstanding symbol of Soviet industrial civilization.

Not to mention the rumors of Z (originally Russian) padding his options by providing Russian military with strategic information about troops and placements. Oh, well it's only a big pile of dead Slavs and mercenaries. On the bright side, the dead mean there are lots of organs to sell, women to enslave, and children to move into the child trafficking markets.

I think the coming few weeks will be decisive one way or the other.

This is a pretty impressive drone video showing Ukrainians rolling up close to a Russian trench with Humvees and clearing it out with infantry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlJKpz6WQXU&t=1s

"SORCHA 6/11: "Gaslighted Into Oblivion America Forced To Believe Ukraine Is Winning, Trump Is Guilty And Biden Is Innocent""
Choose your buffet of propaganda poison with gaslight dressing?
https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=224139

Ceffer says

"SORCHA 6/11: "Gaslighted Into Oblivion America Forced To Believe Ukraine Is Winning, Trump Is Guilty And Biden Is Innocent""
Choose your buffet of propaganda poison with gaslight dressing?
https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=224139

how are we different from ussr? oh, we got gay pride! rest is fucking same

https://t.me/rybar_eng/1680