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In conclusion: the mutiny was "mostly peaceful". =))

Eric Holder says

In conclusion: the mutiny was "mostly peaceful". =))

https://imgflip.com/i/7qsss3

as asked

How come Russia isn't crawling on its knees begging Ukraine for forgiveness, now? Any day, now, any day.

Ceffer says

How come Russia isn't crawling on its knees begging Ukraine for forgiveness, now? Any day, now, any day.

they won’t. they’ll leave 3 years from now when they run out of resources. history repeats itself.

Great summary on the mostly peaceful mutiny (with a bonus explanation why it wasn't a coup): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KB-cCVVZSnU&pp=QAFIAQ%3D%3D

Patrick says

Fucker. He knew that WMD was a lie. They all knew it was a lie, and that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. It was all the Saudis, and probably the CIA.

@Patrick: IF You want to really know what happened on 9/11:

This is part I:
https://rumble.com/v2m62j8-ryan-dawson-reveals-what-really-happened-on-911...what-the-mainstream-doesn.html

This is part II:
https://rumble.com/v2uhvs0-ryan-dawson-exposes-hidden-truth-about-911-part-2.html

I've shown this before, so I'm not going to bother to embed it. Despite the stupidity of the podcast he's on, basically he explains all the intelligence connections. Get a pen and paper.

It was Israel, Saudi Arabia, and US intelligence all in cooperation.

NuttBoxer says

If anyone has the slightest doubt about 9/11 it's because you haven't taken the time, not because you can't know. I push Corbett for different things, but this one is his area of expertise.

@NuttBoxer - you mean James Corbett of the Corbett report? He knows, but Ryan Dawson did a lot more work and knows more about it. I linked to two of his videos above. He covers it all the time.

Here's a short example of something Ryan Dawson did over a decade ago:


original link

Shake up any memories? 9/11 was definitely a false flag.

Prigozhin hates Shoigu because he tried to kill the Wagner troops in Ukraine when they wouldn't pay for ammo through various means, and bombed them when they returned to Russia. There's a lot of other aggression's, but suffice it to say Prigozhin took a lot of shit before pushing back. If they downed these aircraft, it's likely because they perceived them as a threat. Only reason Pirgozhin got as close to Moscow as he did is he has the support of Russian troops. He wouldn't get that if he was attacking them indiscriminately.

Great News!

Biden announces that "Putin is losing the war in Iraq"

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1674062124245549056

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/measles-and-weasels-wednesday-june?publication_id=463409&post_id=131649738&isFreemail=true

Lost in all the fake news about the Wagner Civil War, the Evening Standard ran a story late last week headlined, “Ukraine May Be ‘Pausing Counteroffensive’, Says Institute for the Study of War.”

According to the article, on June 17th, the Wall Street Journal reported that Ukrainian forces “have mostly paused their advances in recent days” as command in Kiev “re-examines tactics.”

Re-examines. That’s a euphemism for “licks its wounds.”

In its latest update on the war, the Institute for the Study of War, a Washington-based think tank, said these news reports are consistent with their own recent observations of the “scale and approach” of local Ukrainian counterattacks in southern and eastern parts of the country. It added that it still does not look like Ukraine has launched its “main” effort yet.

The rationale for the “pause” was not clear, especially given that it provides the Russians even more time to shore up their defenses.

Headlines this week suggested a new push to lower liberal expectations, signaling nothing is going to happen anytime soon. ...

Haha, it’s not that the Russians are winning or anything. It’s the GROUND. The Ukrainians are being defeated by dirt.

The Times’ article, which is not paywalled, includes a helpful gigantic infographic with a large, scrollable battle map, pointing out all the different ways the devilish Russians have craftily frustrated the brave Ukrainian CounterOffensive™.

The Ukrainians have unlimited money, weapons, and ammo, and the Russians are — supposedly — isolated under crushing sanctions. Just saying.

Patrick says

Institute for the Study of War.

Like the Carnegie Insitute for Peace, this org is pure bullshit

AmericanKulak says

Patrick says

Institute for the Study of War.

Like the Carnegie Insitute for Peace, this org is pure bullshit

Yep, they consist mostly of fresh grads with some BS degrees. No grizzled generals there.

NuttBoxer says

Prigozhin hates Shoigu because he tried to kill the Wagner troops in Ukraine when they wouldn't pay for ammo through various means, and bombed them when they returned to Russia. There's a lot of other aggression's, but suffice it to say Prigozhin took a lot of shit before pushing back. If they downed these aircraft, it's likely because they perceived them as a threat. Only reason Pirgozhin got as close to Moscow as he did is he has the support of Russian troops. He wouldn't get that if he was attacking them indiscriminately.

All appears to be true according to pro-Prigozhin telegram channels. He downed 5 or 6 helicopters and 1 aircraft because they were either firing at them or coordinating fire. Nearly all Russian regular troops showed either support or positive indifference to Wagner. Putin the fearless fled to his Waldai residence from Moscow.

Now the $million dollar question is which Russian or international faction supported Prigozhin and what was the desired outcome of this exercise. I can’t answer this and I have not seen a good answer anywhere.

NuttBoxer says

Putin is part of WEF, is the third person facing camera the conspiracy?

There are Patnetters who believe that Putin is savior of Western civilization, anti globalization, etc. His actions during pLandemic and attack of Ukraine at exact time to take spotlight away from gubbermint-committed Covid crimes speak otherwise, and so does his fraternization with Bush crime family.

Bd6r says

Now the $million dollar question is which Russian or international faction supported Prigozhin and what was the desired outcome of this exercise. I can’t answer this and I have not seen a good answer anywhere.

He has supporters in Moscow, likely inside the Kremlin. During the tense 24 hours before it become clear he would not be advancing all the way to Moscow, most of the powerful people stayed silent. If they thought Prigorzhin had no chance, they would have all quickly denounced him. I think he revealed his hand a bit just to show how far he could go if pushed. But this is far from over. Kremlin does not forgive, or forget.

I seriously doubt that Putin wouldn't have a way to pull the plug on Wagner i.e. not trust the mercenaries and inch. One rumor is he has the families of the Wagner leaders under soft arrest and anything untoward happens, they are toast down their generational gene pools. That seems to be the language they understand.

Bd6r says

All appears to be true according to pro-Prigozhin telegram channels. He downed 5 or 6 helicopters and 1 aircraft because they were either firing at them or coordinating fire. Nearly all Russian regular troops showed either support or positive indifference to Wagner. Putin the fearless fled to his Waldai residence from Moscow.

What evidence do you have of any of this?

Bd6r says

There are Patnetters who believe that Putin is savior of Western civilization, anti globalization, etc. His actions during pLandemic and attack of Ukraine at exact time to take spotlight away from gubbermint-committed Covid crimes speak otherwise, and so does his fraternization with Bush crime family.

@Bd6r What Patnetters think that Putin is "savior of Western civilization"? Name them, and support your statement, or this is just another fucking strawman that's just bullshit rotting in your "mind".

NuttBoxer says

He has supporters in Moscow, likely inside the Kremlin. During the tense 24 hours before it become clear he would not be advancing all the way to Moscow, most of the powerful people stayed silent. If they thought Prigorzhin had no chance, they would have all quickly denounced him.

@NuttBoxer - you don't know any of this shit. You have no idea what was said behind closed doors.

This was an ACTUAL attempt at an insurrection - and what happened? Are there 800 people in jail over one, supposed, insurrection rotting in jail, with no trial date? Did Moscow have agent provocateurs to entrap people? No - but the United States "government" does that today.

Prigorzhin was simply exiled, and Wagner, is gone, as any mercenary group should be. No mercenary group has any honor nor should they exist. They are paid murderers, nothing more, like Blackwater. By definition, they are just paid killers, nothing more.

richwicks says

Bd6r says

All appears to be true according to pro-Prigozhin telegram channels. He downed 5 or 6 helicopters and 1 aircraft because they were either firing at them or coordinating fire. Nearly all Russian regular troops showed either support or positive indifference to Wagner. Putin the fearless fled to his Waldai residence from Moscow.

What evidence do you have of any of this?

Read grey zone and rybar telegram channels - I have links to them above. First one is channel of Wagner and they have all of the information I gave and much more.
Don’t be a lazy boy, please.

richwicks says

Bd6r says

There are Patnetters who believe that Putin is savior of Western civilization, anti globalization, etc. His actions during pLandemic and attack of Ukraine at exact time to take spotlight away from gubbermint-committed Covid crimes speak otherwise, and so does his fraternization with Bush crime family.

Bd6r What Patnetters think that Putin is "savior of Western civilization"? Name them, and support your statement, or this is just another fucking strawman that's just bullshit rotting in your "mind".

Ones who say that outlet is calling out West about pedophilia and homosexuality, for example (while ignoring well-documented evidence that Putler is a pedo himself). Search threads on PATNET and please don’t be a potty-mouthed and ignorant person who, for example, in his brilliant mind could not predict that Russia will attack Ukraine, who refused to believe that Russian troops were in Ukraine in 2014, among many other examples of ignorance.

Ceffer says

I seriously doubt that Putin wouldn't have a way to pull the plug on Wagner i.e. not trust the mercenaries and inch. One rumor is he has the families of the Wagner leaders under soft arrest and anything untoward happens, they are toast down their generational gene pools. That seems to be the language they understand.

I don't think Putin was that involved, although I'm betting he tightens Shoigu's leash quite a bit after this, and certainly could take action against Prigozhin. Shoigu didn't bother with the families, he tried to take out the men pretty directly.

richwicks says

NuttBoxer - you don't know any of this shit. You have no idea what was said behind closed doors.

What the fuck are you rambling about? Nothing that I said was secretive at all. The head of RT said she was "On a boat in the river", and that's why she didn't communicate during that period. You can look up yourself exactly how many powerful Russians made public statements denouncing Prigozhin, because they're fucking public.

June 6th is an interesting coincedence. To put things in perspective: the D-day was also on June 6th (1944) and Allied force only managed to break out of the beachhead at the end of July. For example it took till July 21st to capture Caen, which is located less than 10 miles from the shore. So what would we call Operation Overlord on June 29th, 1944 if we use the same criteria journos are using for this counter-offensive? "A disaster, an abject failure! Time to stop this sillines, accept the reality and negotiate peace with Hitler!"

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Patrick says

https://babylonbee.com/news/in-show-of-solidarity-with-ukraine-biden-cancels-2024-us-elections

WASHINGTON, D.C. — As a sign of ongoing commitment and support for Ukraine in its war against Russia, American President Joe Biden has announced he is officially canceling the 2024 elections.

"If it's the right move for Zelensky, it's the right move for us," Biden said when the announcement was made. "With the current state of hostilities between Ukraine and Russia, it's vital that we maintain continuity of leadership…here in the United States, I mean. Suspending the 2024 elections will ensure I stay in office and the war machine keeps churning in Ukraine. Butter pecan!"

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky drew attention this past week by suspending elections in the country, citing Ukrainian laws that require elections to be held during peacetime. "It would be both illegal and unethical for us to hold elections now," Zelensky said. "We cannot hold elections until the war is over, and the war cannot be over until I have completed my collection of sports cars, gold jewelry, and rare Funko Pop figures. We will continue to fight the evil Russian invaders to keep this a free and democratic nation, and anyone who questions my decision will be eliminated."

Since the war began, Zelensky has consolidated all Ukrainian TV outlets into one state-run broadcast, dissolved opposing political parties, and sought to outlaw the Ukrainian Orthodox Church — all of which have provided great inspiration for Biden. "That guy really knows how to run a free country, folks," Biden said of Zelensky. "My administration hopes to follow his great example. Where am I, again?"

At publishing time, Zelensky had granted himself additional emergency powers, declared himself Emperor, and announced the creation of a clone army.

richwicks says

awaiting moderation

"You're a complete waste of time." is definitely intended as a personal insult.

Please don't do that.

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Blow-by-blow on how VKS was liberated of 7 airframes in 1 day:

-2 attack helicopters (Ka-52 and Mi-35)

-1 armed transport helicopter (Mi-8)

-3 electronic warfare helicopters (Mi-8MTPR-1)

-1 Il-22M airborne command post/comms relay plane

https://apple.news/AunXClPtZRJ6_nwh1VTtvjA

And all this literally self-inflicted. What a clown country.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/eruptions-saturday-july-1-2023-c

Yesterday, the Washington Post slyly ran a fake investigative piece, no doubt dished up by the intel agency, headlined “CIA director, On Secret Trip To Ukraine, Hears Plan For War’s Endgame.”

Hahahaha! A secret trip to Ukraine! On the WaPo’s front page! These guys are so funny.

The sub-headline explained the “endgame” isn’t about winning. “During meetings in Kyiv, William Burns was told of Ukraine’s ambitious goal to retake territory and push Moscow into talks by the end of the year.”

Talks! By the end of the year. In a serious, non-circus world, this sea-change in Proxy War policy about how the war will end would be earthshaking news. Until ten seconds ago, the official Biden policy has been “no deals.” Recent disclosures have shown that Washington has even frustrated and blocked several earlier peace talks.

Before continuing the story, it is helpful to note the clock the Biden Administration is under. The Proxy War must be wrapped up by the end of this year to avoid becoming an election-year issue in 2024. The general rule is that virtuous, exciting, NEW wars are helpful to a candidate’s re-election chances, whereas old, languishing wars of attrition are NO BUENO. ...

In addition to telling us all about Zelensky’s “secret meeting” with the head of the CIA, William J. Burns — and just what is the CIA even doing in Ukraine, one wonders; and what does the CIA have to do with negotiating a peace deal? I mean, whose war is it anyway? — the paper also told us all about Ukraine’s “secret” new strategy to improve its negotiation position: first move artillery and missile systems near the boundary line of Russian-controlled Crimea; push further into eastern Ukraine; and only then open negotiations with Moscow for the first time since peace talks “broke down” (with U.S. help) in March of last year.

“Russia will only negotiate if it feels threatened,” explained an unidentified, anonymous senior Ukrainian official. More specifically, the strategy is to build up pressure so the war-torn country isn’t negotiating from a position of weakness:

In agreeing not to take Crimea by force, Kyiv would then demand that Russia accept whatever security guarantees Ukraine can secure from the West, said Ukrainian officials.

Conspicuous by its absence was any mention of getting back the “disputed territories” in Eastern Ukraine that Russia now claims to have annexed into the Motherland. Maybe revealing this change in position was the article’s real goal, to re-set liberal expectations for what might be considered acceptable terms.

Interestingly, WaPo’s story also dropped the nugget that the U.S. intelligence community knew as early as mid-June that the Wagner Group was plotting an armed assault of some kind, according to an unidentified, anonymous U.S. official. Then the newspaper assiduously assured its readers that Biden had nothing whatsoever to do with the Wagner “rebellion,” just like he didn’t have anything to do with blowing up Russia’s gas pipelines.

But … I mean … where’s the old journalistic curiosity? Exactly HOW did the CIA know about Prigozhin’s little civil war ahead of time? Hmm? The WaPo didn’t speculate.

But look at what the relatively-short article did admit:

Ukraine has taken heavy casualties as its troops and armored vehicles navigate thick minefields and fortified trenches across wide-open territory. The challenging terrain has left troops vulnerable to Russian airstrikes and missile attacks. Zelensky has acknowledged that the counteroffensive is going “slower than desired,” and officials have confirmed the destruction of some Western-provided Leopard 2 tanks and Bradley Fighting Vehicles.
Uh oh. So, I guess things aren’t exactly going swimmingly in the Proxy War. Here is the timeline that one can piece together from this fake news story:

1) Ukraine was losing the “last chance” counteroffensive.

2) The CIA waited for the Wager Group’s rebellion, which came, if you think about it, at a particularly peculiar time, given that Ukraine was losing. Was Wagner’s implosion a deep-state Hail Mary?

3) Then, the WaPo published this story stating, for the very first time, there’s a “secret plan” to negotiate and end to the war with only “security guarantees.” Forget about that stupid “not one inch” business.

Now, I’m just a lawyer, not a deep-state color revolution plotter, but as a litigator I have LOTS of experience with negotiating. And I can assure you with no reservations that telling your negotiating opponent about your secret negotiating strategy ahead of time is NOT a typical move. Loose lips sink ships, and so forth. Usually, giving away your secret haggling formula is not especially helpful to getting what you want.

So. The Proxy War clock is running.

There's also a secret Mini-Iran Deal going on with Biden
https://www.frontpagemag.com/the-iran-deal-that-must-not-be-named/

The Biden Regime is basically promising mucho dinero in return for vague promises like Obama-Kerry's deal again. They have to write it in such a way that it finds INARA - the 90-day restriction giving Congress time to real Iran-WH deals before they are signed - loopholes.

Putin dangles Odessa as a bait worm for negotiations, but it does seem that Russia will take it eventually. Why let Ukraine keep their Black Sea port for ongoing criminal enterprises when they can be landlocked and forced into partition?

Bottom line, everybody blustering propaganda aside know that Ukraine has lost, it is toast, there will be no forever war of attrition, that the bankrupt foreign occupied foreign city state of Washington DC cannot support further measures without the corrupto bucks of Ukrainian laundering and criminal enterprise, NATO and EU are falling apart etc.

Looks like the mainstream media got new narrative. Now they are putting pressure on Ukraine to accept a peace deal.

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Looks like the mainstream media got new narrative. Now they are putting pressure on Ukraine to accept a peace deal.

I think they are preparing for failure on Ukraine's part, but this war will go on for many years. My bet is the media will stop reporting on the war, and we'll have no idea what is going - like Syria. THAT war is still going on. How violent it is? No idea. Israel has bombed Damascus a few times this year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Damascus_airstrike

The hypothesis I've heard is that Israel is simply trying to cost Syria money by activating their air defense systems. Those are expensive.