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Ukraine, which has the corruption level of Gabon in Africa, was the nexus for money laundering, human trafficking, and since it had a large supply of IT guys and educated people, served as the Deep State Misinformation headquarters, as well as hosting all kinds of weird biolabs right next to Russia.

I mention the latter because if Russia is a threat, and there was warfare which turned out to happen, all that stuff would be accessible to the Russians. BUT, it was more important to have to biolabs doing weaponization gain of function, which are the same thing.

Doesn't matter what country, just don't do bad stuff.

This is a stupid conflict which Ukraine cannot possibly win. The prolongation of this is just more dead men.

This has nothing to do with morality, who is right and who is wrong, it doesn't matter - Ukraine will lose this war, it is cruel to prolong it. This war is just killing men, and I see no good in that.

richwicks says

This is a stupid conflict which Ukraine cannot possibly win.

I think the Taliban, North Vietnamese and Iraqi insurgents were told the same thing and they weren't nearly as armed or as sophisticated as the Ukrainians.

Besides - what does a Russian "win" look like at this point? Hanging onto parts of Eastern Ukraine and dealing with a grinding insurgency for the next quarter century?

Is that "win" worth the hundreds of thousands of Russian lives lost or ruined, Billions wasted and having 2 more Russian neighbors join NATO?

The war and killing stops tomorrow if Putin makes the call.

It's all on him.

socal2 says

Besides - what does a Russian "win" look like at this point? Hanging onto parts of Eastern Ukraine and dealing with a grinding insurgency for the next quarter century?

A Russian win is when Ukraine doesn't accept NATO weaponry and stops bombing Eastern Ukraine, according to Putin. That will be achieved, however, I don't know what the real motive of the war is.

socal2 says

The war and killing stops tomorrow if Putin makes the call.

Zelenskyy cannot win - the war is already over, it's just a question of how many people die until it's official.

This is a proxy war between the United States and Russia. Ukraine is just a pawn in this. They (the young Ukrainian men) are all going to die, and that is just fucking horrible. I don't think the nation will survive - too many men will be killed, and I even suspect that NATO may collapse, this isn't good for Europe after all - why do European nations care about this?

I just view this as a terrible, easily preventable tragedy, instigated by a bunch of Neocon fuckers. I am appalled they control our foreign policy. They are complete, criminal, scum. Victoria Nuland will die peacefully in her sleep I bet, she should be in Guantanamo now. How many people are dead because of her decisions? Who is above her that allowed this? They should be executed as well. Demons run our nation now.

socal2 says

Besides - what does a Russian "win" look like at this point? Hanging onto parts of Eastern Ukraine and dealing with a grinding insurgency for the next quarter century?

This is NOT an insurgency. It's a war of attrition. Russia holds territory. Zelensky must attack entrenched defenders if he wants to recover "lost territory". How's that working out for the Ukrainians?

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/no-show-wednesday-july-12-2023-c

I used to think maybe Zelenskyy, now a billionaire, just didn’t have any suits.

Wait, what?

How does an actor turned politician suddenly become a billionaire?

Hmmm, we have been shipping billions to Ukraine...

But, but...we were constantly told that Ukraine is winning!

Right along with cluster bombs are war crimes, we would never allow F-16s to be sent to Ukraine and this was all 'to save democracy' even though Ukraine is a dictatorship that won't hold elections, arrests reporters that report inconvenient things and bans opposition parties.

So why this:



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/11/biden-western-alliance-prepare-nato-for-russia-ukraine-war/

Patrick says

Wait, what?

How does an actor turned politician suddenly become a billionaire?

Hmmm, we have been shipping billions to Ukraine...

He's in the Panama Papers. Not saying his wealth is legit, just that he had it before the war started.

There's one picture of one moment with him just standing by himself at the NATO event, is that really enough to say he's out?

NuttBoxer says

There's one picture of one moment with him just standing by himself at the NATO event, is that really enough to say he's out?

You mean this one?

RayAmerica says

Maybe these 'world leaders' know something that we don't?

"It’s a Big Club, and You Ain’t in it" - George Carlin

And this one?

Trollhole says

Yeah, just seems like classic over-reaction based on little actual content...

Without Sean Penn following Z (or avatar) around or whatever sucking its cock, it just doesn't create the same impression.

Roseanne Barr - Piers Morgan Interview

Roseanne Barr: "I’m from the Ukraine - there's a large amount of Nazis in the Ukraine, and they actually killed my whole family... They marched my entire family... grandparents, 10 siblings, out into the forest and buried them alive..." https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1679053307128496128

Again, by supporting the Nazis in Ukraine, we support Democracy? <==== Read this again.

And how come Ukraine is a Democracy given that the USA overthrew the Democratically elected government of the Ukraine in 2014?

I knew it. Roseanne is a Ukrainian spy. How come she's not in DARPA or the NSC?

Ooops!... They did it again.



PS. I believe yesterday was the exact 1 year since the former Cretin of Kremlin promised "Armageddon" if that bridge is hit. Hmmm.

Patrick says

How does an actor turned politician suddenly become a billionaire?

He didn't. Just a mere millionaire and he was that before being elected. He did run a major media empire after all. Ask that guy for a proof of Zelensky being a "billionaier"- he'll run into the bushes never to be seen again.

Eric Holder says

He didn't. Just a mere millionaire and he was that before being elected. He did run a major media empire after all. Ask that guy for a proof of Zelensky being a "billionaier"- he'll run into the bushes never to be seen again.

And yet again, I'll refer you to the Panama Papers. Zelensky's income is as legitimate as Biden's.

Civilians unable to leave a warzone is humorous? Maybe if you're a sociopath..

RWSGFY says

When I was in the Air Force, we supported "Red Horse" that was specifically able to do quick repair or install bridges and other structures. The Army had portable bridges capable of supporting tanks that could be set up in hours. I am fairly certain the Russians have similar capability. There is also airlift and sealift.

Ok, but if Russia refuses to call this a war, refuses to commit their full military and resources, do you think they're going to pull out their portable bridges, or give a rats ass about getting anyone off the island?

HeadSet says

When I was in the Air Force,

really?

I, _, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic

Your oath is bullshit. False words to get a job to kill people. You're a goon, a thug. You'd murder me before you'd dispatch a traitor.

Isn't that correct?

Can't find the traitors yet? Let me point them out. They are in Langley Virginia, Washington DC, Silicon Valley California, and Wallstreet NY.

Can't fucking see them yet?

Your oath is bullshit. You are the greatest disappoint to me and to this nation. "Thank you for you FALSE service". You have never served me or this nation, I was just made to pay for you at the end of a gun.

You worked as a criminal thug for multinational corporations that undermined this country with a criminal syndicate that forced me to pay for it. Eyes wide open. At least I didn't participate in it, you did.

You can bitch about what I just said, how am I incorrect?

Fucking 30 years of fucking war. Fuck you for engaging in it. A complete waste of our resources. You got a pension don't you? For murdering people. Good for you. I live in a society that only the SHIT rises to the top. If I engage in immoral, depraved evil, it's easy to move up. You just did that early. I'm still resisting it.

richwicks says

Fucking 30 years of fucking war. Fuck you for engaging in it. A complete waste of our resources. You got a pension don't you? For murdering people. Good for you.

Nice asshole comment.

You have no clue how well our generation has had it thanks to Pax Americana.

Whatever our sins (which are many), we managed to keep the world a much more peaceful and prosperous place since we became the world's policeman and no longer had a multi-polar world of state actors killing everyone.

I don't care that America isn't perfect, I care that we are better than everyone else.

NuttBoxer says

Ok, but if Russia refuses to call this a war, refuses to commit their full military and resources, do you think they're going to pull out their portable bridges, or give a rats ass about getting anyone off the island?

Russia will slowly consume all of Ukraine. They don't really care about civilians, no more than the United States does.

socal2 says

You have no clue how well our generation has had it thanks to Pax Americana.

Oh, it's great paying the highest taxes ever, where almost all of our college graduates leave college in debt, being slaves. So wonderful.

So we can pay for a fucking war.

socal2 says

Whatever our sins (which are many), we managed to keep the world a much more peaceful and prosperous place since we became the world's policeman

POLICEMEN? Haha, like the Capone gang, that's how you justify "your police". The military has no interest in keeping the "peace". They intentionally create conflict to justify what they do, which is murder.

socal2 says

I don't care that America isn't perfect, I care that we are better than everyone else.

Why do you still trust the government at this point?

Here's out climate catastrophe:



How fucking much do they have to lie to you, before you realize they are lying to you? Did you forget about the cornavirus statistics? Was THAT true?

It's infuriating. No matter how much they blow smoke up your asshole, you can't see it. "Well, if they were lying to me SOMEBODY would tell me the truth" - well I am doing that now. I'm sick of this shit. You'll believe any bullshit if it comes out the propagandabox. I'm tired of it.

In your graph, what the Y axis? Percentage? Numbers? Cow farts? It's not labelled. I wonder why that is.

During Pax Americana nation states did not go to war with each other for territory. That era has now ended.

It was a most congenial period of time.

Misc says

During Pax Americana nation states did not go to war with each other for territory. That era has now ended.

Iraq is owned by the United States, it's just not on a map.

Why do you trust official decrees? Why can't you see through this?

Does the UN have to tell you what to think? The US owns Iraq as much as it owns Japan, or Germany for that matter. These nations will not act in any way that they are not directed, by the United States, to act. Don't you realize that?

richwicks says

Misc says

During Pax Americana nation states did not go to war with each other for territory. That era has now ended.

Iraq is owned by the United States, it's just not on a map.

Why do you trust official decrees? Why can't you see through this?

Does the UN have to tell you what to think? The US owns Iraq as much as it owns Japan, or Germany for that matter. These nations will not act in any way that they are not directed, by the United States, to act. Don't you realize that?

The US does not own Iraq.

We have put in place diplomatic treaties with Japan and Germany for mutual defense. Until now they have greatly relied on our promises for their security. Things have gotten iffier lately as to what the US can militarily control. Hence, the outbreak of civil war in Sudan. Without the US being able to contain the violence there, expect it to spread to neighboring countries. I am expecting several millions to die because of our inability to act.

Misc says

The US does not own Iraq.

We have put in place diplomatic treaties with Japan and Germany for mutual defense.

Correct. If we "owed" Germany, they would be not have to be begged to spend the required 2% on defense and would not have imported gas from Russia.

richwicks says
You'd murder me before you'd dispatch a traitor.

Why would I kill you? Maybe a military member would follow your diatribe and determine on his own that you are an enemy of the Constitution, then follow your advice and take you out.

Are you so far into anger that you cannot see that when an entity is granted the ability to use force, that entity need be kept on a leash? That is why the military does not determine the enemy and is kept under civilian control. Politicians determine who we go to war with, what weapons the miliary gets, and the rules of engagement. Judges determine who is not acting with the Constitution. Why can't you see that if every military member decided who was a domestic enemy, then generals would rule? Every senator would worry about some special forces commander declaring that senator "unconstitutional."

I wrote previously that you could use your 2nd Amendment rights to go after any politician you deemed a tyrant. You replied that you would get killed. I flew tankers but have some friends who flew F-111s. During the 1st Gulf War, those F-111 guys were told they would experience 25% casualties (did not happen, but nobody knew that ahead of time). The crews flew anyway, sometimes multiple sorties per day dodging anti-aircraft fire. Now think of the ground folks, like the tank drivers who had to drive through land that had to be cleared for mines to fight the 4rth largest army in the world that would hit them with tanks of their own, artillery, and attack helicopters. These guys also went into battle even when told to expect high casualties.

You seemed dismayed that a military man is not willing to take out who you deem an enemy of the Constitution, while you are too cowardly to do that job yourself. You better be glad that the military is disciplined to attack only when commanded by appointed authorities and nor free to attack who they please. Otherwise, you would just be some soldier's bitch.

Misc says

The US does not own Iraq.

We have put in place diplomatic treaties with Japan and Germany for mutual defense.

Don't be naive.

Iraq's government has requested the US to leave several times only for the US to ignore the request. They are a subservient government. Japan and Germany are a bulwark against China, the US won't actually defend them. They are merely military installations for future wars.

We are a fucking empire. That's why shithead Pence doesn't concern himself with internal problems.

HeadSet says

I wrote previously that you could use your 2nd Amendment rights to go after any politician you deemed a tyrant. You replied that you would get killed.

First of all, I wouldn't be so fucking stupid as to use a gun. I'd design a quad copter to drop in a lawn dart into their head. That's SIMPLE to do.

Second of all, politicians don't matter, they are servants. They don't make any decisions.

Third of all, if I had the power to kill, say 10,000 people, I wouldn't know who kill. One cutout would replace another.

What I'd have to do is intimidate the enemy from co-operating with the real enemy. It wouldn't be just a matter of killing somebody, it would involve torture to find the next level up, and I expect I would find cutout after cutout.

HeadSet says

I flew tankers but have some friends who flew F-111s. During the 1st Gulf War, those F-111 guys were told they would experience 25% casualties (did not happen, but nobody knew that ahead of time). The crews flew anyway, sometimes multiple sorties per day dodging anti-aircraft fire. Now think of the ground folks, like the tank drivers who had to drive through land that had to be cleared for mines to fight the 4rth largest army in the world that would hit them with tanks of their own, artillery, and attack helicopters. These guys also went into battle even when told to expect high casualties.

You apparently are the type of person that if a friend convinced you that his wife was brutally raped and murdered, you might do something about it, and when he later told you HE murdered his wife, you'd have no problem with it. You do the dirty work for liars and criminals, and have no problem with it even when you know you've been deceived.

That's how I view these fucking wars.

They lie to you about why you're doing it, and you're not upset in the least. What is wrong with you? You're not like me. You're not human. You'll kill a child if you're ordered to do it, all you have to do is accept some sort of lie, any lie, and you'll do it, and even after you find out the truth, you're untroubled.

Isn't that correct?

HeadSet says

You seemed dismayed that a military man is not willing to take out who you deem an enemy of the Constitution,

No, I just view you as the muscle behind a mafia. I'm not troubled by that.

I would be troubled if I though you were fooled and tricked - but if you fooled and tricked, and human, you'd be upset by being fooled and tricked, and you are not upset.

Is this unreasonable of me? Am I missing logic or making an error in my reasoning? You have murdered people over a non existent weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq. Aren't you curious as to why you killed them? Apparently not. How can you be untroubled? How can you not hate the persons that ordered to do this? Where is my error in thinking and morality?

HeadSet says

while you are too cowardly to do that job yourself. You better be glad that the military is disciplined to attack only when commanded by appointed authorities and nor free to attack who they please. Otherwise, you would just be some soldier's bitch.

You assholes can kill me if you like, you can brutalize me, rape me, whatever. You are more of a threat to me than an Iraqi, an Afghani, a Syrian, a Libyan, a Somalian, or a Yemeni.

"Thank you for your service".

Your oath means nothing. I'm just telling you that, and in everything you wrote, you've not denied it. Isn't that interesting?

How can I view you as anything other than a brutal subhuman? Where's the error in my thinking? YOU are the enabler of the sociopaths I oppose. You don't know it, but you worked for Victoria Nuland and Robert Kagan. Those assholes, and others, are responsible for 2 solid decades of war, which is destroying this nation. But you have a pension - as long as it will last. Your complicity is ruining this nation.

Tell me what my error in thinking is. I might be in error, but nobody in the military has ever refuted that we don't have domestic enemies ever and I've never seen a goddamned thing done about them. I've seen 20 years of intelligence officials lying to congress, congress lying to the public, the president lying to the public, and a stolen election, clearly stolen. Nothing will make you act. Nothing. Absolutely nothing will make you uphold your bullshit oath, nothing at all.

So, stop saying you serve the nation, you never did, and never will. You served a criminal syndicate and you were tricked into it. I don't fault you for that, but I do fault you for denying it.

richwicks says

First of all, I wouldn't be so fucking stupid as to use a gun. I'd design a quad copter to drop in a lawn dart into their head. That's SIMPLE to do.

What is stopping you? You still condemn military for not taking out such a domestic enemy. I never said anything about you using a gun, and it does not have to be lethal. Fry a computer system, shut off power, or hack a broadcast to get some facts out. Again, what is stopping you?

richwicks says

Your oath means nothing. I'm just telling you that, and in everything you wrote, you've not denied it. Isn't that interesting?

You have an incredible lack of perception. I told you that it is not up to any military member to determine who the enemy is, and gave you detailed reasons why that discipline exists.

richwicks says

You assholes can kill me if you like, you can brutalize me, rape me, whatever. You are more of a threat to me than an Iraqi, an Afghani, a Syrian, a Libyan, a Somalian, or a Yemeni.

No military man is threat to you or any other civilian. In fact, a Marine would defend you from a mugger if he were walking by and saw it. You just pulled that military man as a personal threat out of your ass.

HeadSet says

richwicks says

First of all, I wouldn't be so fucking stupid as to use a gun. I'd design a quad copter to drop in a lawn dart into their head. That's SIMPLE to do.

What is stopping you? You still condemn military for not taking out such a domestic enemy. I never said anything about you using a gun, and it does not have to be lethal. Fry a computer system, shut off power, or hack a broadcast to get some facts out. Again, what is stopping you?

I've not entirely been stopped. I'm just not really certain if I want to die for these sheep and cattle.

I've tried a LONG TIME to think I'm part of you, and after 3 years of "the unvaccinated pose a threat to the vaccinated" and other bullshit, obvious bullshit, I don't know if I'm part of you. "Republicans" eagerly supported the Iraq War (over weapons of mass destruction that didn't exist), "democrats" eagerly supported the bombing of Libya "to prevent a humanitarian crisis" that left it in civil war with slavery markets.

These are both equal tragedies, horrors. I don't know if I want to be on that side.

I have the absolute capacity for evil, but I also experience guilt.

I think I just want to sit this all out. I can inform you, but I don't want to intervene. If you do nothing about it, you deserve what comes. The whole purpose of the Internet was to inform the public, we just had no idea that the public didn't give a shit. They don't care.

HeadSet says

You have an incredible lack of perception. I told you that it is not up to any military member to determine who the enemy is, and gave you detailed reasons why that discipline exists.

Yeah, you can't make decisions on your own. You'd have been a good soldier under Stalin, Hitler, or Mao.

HeadSet says

No military man is threat to you or any other civilian. In fact, a Marine would defend you from a mugger if he were walking by and saw it. You just pulled that military man as a personal threat out of your ass.

I am very likely to be killed by my government, because I openly oppose it, and I'm not kidding - I'm an open dissident. I'm using my real name here. It was an experiment to see if anybody with moral conscious existed in the government, well, they don't exist. Well, they exist, but they are very rare. I don't know if it's because people don't know, or if people just don't have moral conscience. I honestly don't know. I'm always drawn to a dichotomy, and even then, I think it might be a false one.

The Iraq War in 2002, there was no weapons of mass destruction program. I know our government knew this before the war began. 800,000 dead over that on the Iraqi side. Should I feel no sympathy for them? What was the purpose? I don't know. Maybe it's just evolution.

No outrage though. I don't think I'm like any of you. Somehow I've been put into a hell or a purgatory, to deal with this complete lack of morality or consistent though. It sucks.