patrick.net

This thread is interesting because it reflects propaganda about the Ukraine war that is crazy but accepted and promulgated as truth, and an opposite but truthful narrative with perspective. Pick which is which at your own hazard.

If you want to gauge the penetration power of propaganda and its wishful thinkers, this thread is a good study.

I guess you could call them CNN generals fluffing the antiques in the CIA.

https://t.me/gatewaypunditofficial/35032

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/just-when-you-thought-retired-u-s-generals/

socal2 says

Russia is going to be bleeding people and material well into next year

Do you think the Ukrainian army and NATO munitions will last until next year?

Another neoCon disaster... "This is going to end terribly for the US. It has nothing to do with democracy. It doesn't matter which party is in. Victoria nuland is always there." - Jeffrey Sachs



More from https://twitter.com/apocalypseos/status/1697822863548612813 Watch at least the first 4 minutes.

The_Deplorable says

sacrificed ukrainians lives for war a
gainer russia is not a benefit to ukraine. they got used.

Ceffer says

Russia I think will just hold position until there are no more Ukrainians alive to fight.

NATO might get involved, and they will do the same thing, unless NATO starts attacking Russia directly. It's madness.

Europe, if it was controlled by people that cared about Europe, should drop their dependence on the United States, and normalize relations with Russia. Europe will get cheap reliable energy, Russia will get technical know how and perhaps even an importation of some people that can reduce corruption within Russia.

Russia's main problem is criminal activity in my opinion, organized crime.

Onvacation says

socal2 says

Russia is going to be bleeding people and material well into next year

Do you think the Ukrainian army and NATO munitions will last until next year?

I think they easily will. It's the logistics of getting the munitions there that is the trick.

See https://twitter.com/DougAMacgregor/status/1698170679571480912

The_Deplorable says

See https://twitter.com/DougAMacgregor/status/1698170679571480912

Ah, another prediction by that stupid cunt. Amazingly being constantly wrong for 18 months doesn't deter him from continuing to make a fool out of himself. Must be a lucrative gig though.



The question is: why the people who are NOT paid to make fools of themselves keep regurgitating that moron's idiotic ramblings.

RWSGFY says

The question is: why the people who are NOT paid to make fools of themselves keep regurgitating that moron's idiotic ramblings.

The government doesn't care what you believe, as long as it's not the truth.

It's only when you're telling the truth, you're not punished.

It's my opinion the Offense Industry just wants morons to pick sides in this stupid war, in that way, when it's just a football game, and not 1/2 trillion dollars of wasted money and 100's of thousands of dead people over nothing, it's just a dumb fucking game that doesn't matter.

That Offense Industry makes lots of money on murdering people for nothing. THEY don't care what the outcome of this war is, they only care about how much money they make.

Eventually, even the most perfumed bullshit starts to stink:

https://original.antiwar.com/Martin_Sieff/2023/08/30/by-now-jake-sullivan-expected-russia-to-be-destroyed/

https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/bound-to-lose

RWSGFY says

"Ah, another prediction by that stupid cunt. Amazingly being constantly wrong for 18 months doesn't deter him from continuing to make a fool out of himself. Must be a lucrative gig though."

Using foul language is not an argument. It simply shows ignorance, arroogance and frustration from your part in the face of a truth you cannot handle - namely that Russia is defeating the USA and NATO in Ukraine.

The fact remains that Eastern Ukraine and the Crimea are now part of Russia, the sanctions are not affecting Russia - but they are destroying the USA and the West and the world learned that this is now a multipolar world. Foul language will not change these facts.

Trollhole says

Eventually, even the most perfumed bullshit starts to stink:

https://original.antiwar.com/Martin_Sieff/2023/08/30/by-now-jake-sullivan-expected-russia-to-be-destroyed/

https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/bound-to-lose

Mearsheimer one is an excellent article on blitzkrieg warfare and how it pertains to Bidens/Ukies total fuckup in that regard right now.

Patrick says

The current ESTIMATE (? why the fuck is there an estimate at this point?) that 12,000 people have been displaced by the Maui fires. Let's be generous and say that 12,000 "families.

12,000 * $700 = $840,000

Oprah could double the aid herself without even noticing it. What a cunt. It's not even a million dollars.

2,200 buildings are estimated (again, estimated still!) to have been destroyed. These could all be rebuilt for $10 billion dollars.

But Slava Ukraini!!!!

Fuck our government. I'm in fully in favor of overthrowing it at this point. They don't do anything for this nation, they're just a group of fucking criminals.

Mearsheimer is great, I've been posting his stuff since a decade ago. His "Tragedy of Great Power Politics" should be mandatory reading for HS Seniors, nevermind college students.

The Globalists are spending out everybody else's lives, blood, money, security, etc. to the bitter end to no real purpose or cause except that they can possibly re-establish Ukraine as Globalist Mafia Central. As long as they can do it over brandy snifters and cigars, with no direct flesh in the game, they will continue to do so.

WWIII will be their cherry on the cake.

Ceffer says

The Globalists are spending out everybody else's lives, blood, money, security, etc. to the bitter end to no real purpose or cause except that they can possibly re-establish Ukraine as Globalist Mafia Central. As long as they can do it over brandy snifters and cigars, with no direct flesh in the game, they will continue to do so.

WWIII will be their cherry on the cake.

The goal isn't WWIII, it's just endless war.

AmericanKulak says

Mearsheimer is great, I've been posting his stuff since a decade ago. His "Tragedy of Great Power Politics" should be mandatory reading for HS Seniors, nevermind college students.

Updated version is now out:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0022Q8CVY

Guess it must have been too much winning.

https://t.me/gatewaypunditofficial/35188

Bbbbbut, what about Netflix? Won't they miss the computer geniuses? Kicking the cuckoo birds from the nest.

https://t.me/gatewaypunditofficial/35189

I think Biden is having a fire sale on the remnants of Trump's wall.

https://t.me/gatewaypunditofficial/35192

https://babylonbee.com/cleanArticle/adam-yensers-article

https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/nato-chief-openly-admits-russia-invaded?publication_id=82124&post_id=136866482&isFreemail=true&r=6gdz

NATO Chief Openly Admits Russia Invaded Ukraine Because Of NATO Expansion

During a speech at the EU Parliament’s foreign affairs committee on Thursday, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg clearly and repeatedly acknowledged that Putin made the decision to invade Ukraine because of fears of NATO expansionism.

From an AI response:

Secretary of State James Baker's famous "not one inch eastward" assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991. Baker's main aim was to allay Soviet fears of a larger, unified Germany

The US lied about NATO expansion, over and over.

You just beat me to that, @Patrick

Just saying the Quiet Part out loud:

https://caityjohnstone.medium.com/nato-chief-openly-admits-russia-invaded-ukraine-because-of-nato-expansion-8d1777b492a1

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/best-life-friday-september-15-2023

Russia Today reported that last month, former comedian and Ukraine President Zelensky fired all his draft commissioners, every single one, and ordered a fresh review of all previous medical exemptions to the draft, citing “widespread corruption.” Imagine that. In Ukraine of all places.

Apparently the officials were selling medical draft exemptions or something.

Not only that, but Zelensky tightened the rules, which now allow conscripting shirkers with mental health problems, chronic diseases, tuberculosis, and HIV.

Nothing could go wrong with that plan.

https://asiatimes.com/2023/09/abrams-upgrade-scrapped-after-leopards-tank-in-ukraine/

Great, the West's main battle tanks can't cut it against the Russians in Ukraine.

Patrick says

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/best-life-friday-september-15-2023

Russia Today reported that last month, former comedian and Ukraine President Zelensky fired all his draft commissioners, every single one, and ordered a fresh review of all previous medical exemptions to the draft, citing “widespread corruption.” Imagine that. In Ukraine of all places.

Apparently the officials were selling medical draft exemptions or something.

Not only that, but Zelensky tightened the rules, which now allow conscripting shirkers with mental health problems, chronic diseases, tuberculosis, and HIV.

Nothing could go wrong with that plan.

It's becoming increasingly clear that our government just wants to kill as many Ukrainians as possible. When this war is over, Russia will have Eastern Ukraine, and our government (and its companies, which run our government) will be raping what is left of the West. It's clearly depopulation.

Are the days of wine and cocaine up for Z? His sponsor has been arrested, and everybody is running out of mothballed military inventory to send to him to fail against the Russians. They're down to organ harvesting and child trafficking to make corruption payrolls. They'll start harvesting before they even reach the battle lines pretty soon.

Ceffer says

Are the days of wine and cocaine up for Z? His sponsor has been arrested, and everybody is running out of mothballed military inventory to send to him to fail against the Russians. They're down to organ harvesting and child trafficking to make corruption payrolls. They'll start harvesting before they even reach the battle lines pretty soon.

Ihor Kolomoyskyi's arrest might just be a political move to make it appear there's some sort of rule of law. It's like indicting Hunter Biden.

Zelensky's job, in my opinion, is to destroy Ukraine and drastically weaken it to make it more easily taken over by foreign interests, which are American interests. And the end of this, the Western Ukrainians will regret allowing the coup.

richwicks says

and our government (and its companies, which run our government) will be raping what is left of the West. It's clearly depopulation.

Doubtful. Because by then the Russians will be the only ones capable of rolling in and taking the place. NATO countries will not.

Guess they didn't like them hogging all the victory glory, and need to pass it around.

Trollhole says

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/mishaps-and-bad-luck-tuesday-september

Watch out on deck! The narrative boom is swinging around. Newsweek ran an op-ed yesterday with the unintentionally-hilarious headline, get this: “We Can No Longer Hide the Truth About the Russia-Ukraine War.”

Bwahahahahaha! “We can no longer HIDE THE TRUTH!” Not “hide from the truth.” Get it?? It’s so obvious now that they can admit it right IN THE HEADLINE: They’ve been hiding the truth.

Conspiracy thinkers = 993, Experts = zero.

The author, Daniel L. Davis is a senior fellow for Defense Priorities and a former lieutenant colonel in the U.S. Army with four combat assignments. Here’s a summary of his comments, in his own words (lightly-edited for brevity and clarity):

It's time to acknowledge objective reality and employ policies that can work. There is no realistic basis to believe that Ukraine has the capacity to attain its stated strategic objective to reclaim all its territory, including Crimea.
Washington has spent nearly $113 billion over the course of this war, provided Ukraine with an astounding volume of modern arms and ammunition, and delivered an impressive array of training and intelligence support. But after almost a year of preparation, Ukraine has hardly dented the Russian lines.
Although Ukraine appears to have finally penetrated the first line of Russia's main defense, the most difficult part of Russia's defensive system has yet to be overcome: the hundreds of kilometers of dragon's teeth, tank ditches, and yet more vast minefields. The best Ukraine can likely do for the rest of the year is to hold what they have and prevent the possibility of losing more territory to a potential Russian counteroffensive this fall.
The op-ed’s comments were fascinating. While the majority of Newsweek’s readers predictably commented that Lt. Col. Davis is just another sold-out Putin shill — Putin sure seems to have a lot of them! — there were other comments like this one, expressing surprise and shock that the Proxy War isn’t going according to plan:

Patrick says

It's time to acknowledge objective reality and employ policies that can work. There is no realistic basis to believe that Ukraine has the capacity to attain its stated strategic objective to reclaim all its territory, including Crimea.

I see this Newsweek Opinion piece is getting alot of traction posted on 3 different Russian related threads today.

Hopium for those who want to see the mass killing to continue until Russia finishes its illegal invasion!

Does the author say there is a "realistic basis" that Russia has the capacity to attain its stated strategic objectives? I didn't see it. What are Russia's strategic objectives in Ukraine these days? Just hang onto Crimea and the portions of Eastern Ukraine they currently occupy and deal with festering drone attacks and insurgency for the next 10+ years?

I'd think Ukraine despite being a smaller population has the capacity to hold off Russia longer than Russia can continue pouring men and material into a lost cause.

socal2 says

Does the author say there is a "realistic basis" that Russia has the capacity to attain its stated strategic objectives? I didn't see it. What are Russia's strategic objectives in Ukraine these days? Just hang onto Crimea and the portions of Eastern Ukraine they currently occupy and deal with festering drone attacks and insurgency for the next 10+ years?

socal2 says

I'd think Ukraine despite being a smaller population has the capacity to hold off Russia longer than Russia can continue pouring men and material into a lost cause.

Wow. Just wow.

Russia hasn't been 'pouring' much of anything into this. They just build layers of echelon defense positions (none of which Ukraine has cracked), sit back and slaughter Ukeys by the thousands.

Who is on hopium crack now?

And why the hell should ANY of my tax money be wasted on this at all? (Who gives a shit about 'Russia this! Russia that! Russia! Russia! Russia!')