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Patrick says

It's time to acknowledge objective reality and employ policies that can work. There is no realistic basis to believe that Ukraine has the capacity to attain its stated strategic objective to reclaim all its territory, including Crimea.

I see this Newsweek Opinion piece is getting alot of traction posted on 3 different Russian related threads today.

Hopium for those who want to see the mass killing to continue until Russia finishes its illegal invasion!

Does the author say there is a "realistic basis" that Russia has the capacity to attain its stated strategic objectives? I didn't see it. What are Russia's strategic objectives in Ukraine these days? Just hang onto Crimea and the portions of Eastern Ukraine they currently occupy and deal with festering drone attacks and insurgency for the next 10+ years?

I'd think Ukraine despite being a smaller population has the capacity to hold off Russia longer than Russia can continue pouring men and material into a lost cause.

socal2 says

Does the author say there is a "realistic basis" that Russia has the capacity to attain its stated strategic objectives? I didn't see it. What are Russia's strategic objectives in Ukraine these days? Just hang onto Crimea and the portions of Eastern Ukraine they currently occupy and deal with festering drone attacks and insurgency for the next 10+ years?

socal2 says

I'd think Ukraine despite being a smaller population has the capacity to hold off Russia longer than Russia can continue pouring men and material into a lost cause.

Wow. Just wow.

Russia hasn't been 'pouring' much of anything into this. They just build layers of echelon defense positions (none of which Ukraine has cracked), sit back and slaughter Ukeys by the thousands.

Who is on hopium crack now?

And why the hell should ANY of my tax money be wasted on this at all? (Who gives a shit about 'Russia this! Russia that! Russia! Russia! Russia!')

See? House MAGA Republicans hold all the cards:

Ukraine's bombing their own people, sounds like things are getting pretty desperate.

Turret toss record contender:

https://twitter.com/saintjavelin/status/1703753167085646279

NuttBoxer says

Ukraine's bombing their own people, sounds like things are getting pretty desperate.

Slowly explain the supposed benefits of deliberately bombing your own people. I mean there must be some if you imply so, but what are they? It's not like enemy doesn't kill your civilians already every fucking day and in droves. What exactly is the point of doing that to themselves? I don't see any upside, while the downside is huge and obvious. To risk internal destabilization, army mutiny or worse if the truth of such deliberate acts comes out, and for what?

PS. This looney bean gets loonier and loonier every day.

Eric Holder says

Slowly explain the supposed benefits of deliberately bombing your own people. I mean there must be some if you imply so, but what are they? It's not like enemy doesn't kill your civilians already every fucking day and in droves. What exactly is the point of doing that to themselves?

@"Eric Holder"

The benefit is the elimination of the large ethnically Russian minority in eastern Ukraine.

So the Ukrainian government does not see those citizens as part of its "self" at all. It sees them as the enemy in spite of their citizenship.

It's pretty simple. Ethnic cleansing. Well, complicated by the fact that there are large natural gas deposits in that region.

https://www.leefang.com/p/lockheed-martin-boasts-to-investors?publication_id=1239256&post_id=137204349&isFreemail=true&r=6gdz

Lockheed Martin Boasts to Investors: Ukraine War Fueling "$10 Billion of Opportunities ... Now to the End of the Decade"

The defense industry is bullish about military contracts to supply the Ukraine-Russia war, and replenish U.S. military stockpiles depleted by weapons transfers.

Patrick says

Well, complicated by the fact that there are large natural gas deposits in that region.

It's just a big oil/resource grab by Russia?

Eric Holder says

"Slowly explain the supposed benefits of deliberately bombing your own people."

No problem. It is a False Flag attack and it is a specialty of the neoCons and the Nazi Globalist Reich.

socal2 says

Patrick says

Well, complicated by the fact that there are large natural gas deposits in that region.

It's just a big oil/resource grab by Russia?

Close.

This is a resource grab by the United States. They hoped to capture Russia.

But since moron asshole Neocons are in charge that fail at everything, this will fail as well. They might get Western Ukraine, that's it.

Don't you ever ask to yourself why people who fail in their public statements of objectives, only fall upwards? The stated objective of the State Department is negotiation to avoid war, but we have these assholes like Victoria Nuland and Nikki Haley as our representatives. They foment war, they don't avert it.

They do everything possible in their position to cause war, they aren't diplomats at all.

I'll be plain. Their job is to lie to the public to justify wars, and the stated objectives to the public are a complete lie. Their job is to convince the public to support wars. They have no objective in stabilizing this nation or preserving peace. They have no concern about the stability or prosperity of this nation, at all. They have said this openly:


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Even when they directly tell you that they don't give a shit about the country, you can't believe it. Well, believe it. They can't be more obvious about it, more blatant. What's wrong with you? Even when they tell you outright, you can't believe it.

https://x.com/Shawn_Farash/status/1704630783443390881?s=20

An American Journalist Prisoner in Ukraine

"The Biden administration is asking Congress to approve another $24 billion for Ukraine for now through the end of this year, which would add to the $113 billion that Congress has committed to the country since its war with Russia began in February of last year.

President Biden on Tuesday at the United Nations argued that investment in Ukraine was an investment in "the future of every country that seeks a world governed by basic rules."

However, the administration has been much less vocal about Ukraine potentially violating the rights of an American journalist who is currently detained in Ukraine for his reporting; and in a speech at the U.N. almost entirely devoted to Ukraine, the status of Gonzalo Lira was not mentioned once by Biden."

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/09/19/exclusive-american-citizen-journalist-sitting-in-ukraine-prison-state-dept-confirms-as-biden-begs-for-billions-more-to-protect-ukraine-freedom/

See https://twitter.com/JesseBWatters/status/1704310428153635145 Watch at least from the 1:44 to 3:50 Minutes

Unbounded optimism that the NWO/Globalists can build back better their crime empire. We'll see what the Russkies have to say about that.

Free troll:

Tell liberals you support illegals coming across the border as long as they spend 1 year fighting in Ukraine. Then when they disagree, ask why.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-fractures-u-turn-poland-announces-will-no-longer-arm-ukraine

The dam is breaking on unified Western support for Ukraine, and the timing couldn't be worse for Zelensky, given tomorrow he's expected to meet with President Biden at the White House. On Wednesday evening there is monumental news out of Poland which could potentially change the entire course of the war.

"Poland will no longer arm Ukraine to focus on its own defense," Polish prime minister Mateusz Morawiecki announced just hours after Warsaw summoned Ukraine's ambassador related to a fresh war of words and spat over blocked grain, according to the AFP. Warsaw has throughout more than a year-and-a-half of the Ukraine-Russia war been Kiev's staunchest and most outspoken supporter.

https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/this-war-wasnt-just-provoked-it-was?publication_id=82124&post_id=137340680&isFreemail=true&r=6gdz

This war wasn’t just provoked, it was knowingly provoked. Off ramp after off ramp was sped past by the US war machine at a hundred miles an hour on its beeline toward a horrific proxy war, because empire managers had calculated that such a war would serve US interests. And now we routinely see US officials like Mitch McConnell openly saying that this war serves US interests.

They really couldn’t be more obvious about it if they tried.

Yet more Evidence of Red Army "Battlefield Genius" at work:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1706682572737044729

Ukrainian UAV strike hit Kursk Vostochny Airport (Kursk-Khalino) on September 24.

The first UAV struck the fuel and lubricants tanks, which were used for the needs of the Regiment. The loud explosion heard by the residents of Kursk was the first blow. As a result of the attack, a strong fire occurred at the fuel and lubricants warehouse.

Then, a group of military personnel and, presumably, the commander of the 14th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment (and his deputy) headed to the burning warehouse to assess the damage and take measures to extinguish the fire.

At that moment, the second UAV hit almost the same point. This strike caused the majority of casualties among the personnel of the aviation regiment, including the command.

Some time later, on the territory of the airfield, a third UAV was discovered.

Allegedly, it was "shot down" by EW system and did not explode upon falling.

Instead of calling a group of sappers to the scene, local military personnel decided to independently inspect the "object."

While approaching the object, the UAV detonated.

The strike reportedly killed the following:

- commander of the 14th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment
- one of his deputies
- a group of aviator officers
- a representative of the FSB military counterintelligence
- airport employees

Eric Holder says

The strike reportedly killed the following

That means: Ukey propaganda until proven otherwise by a dependable, third-party source

Patrick says

such a war would serve US interests

I don't think it vaguely serves US interests. Maybe the interests of the foreign SS criminal corporate consortium headquartered in Switzerland known as the CIA, who regard the American People as the enemy. Maybe the interests of the nested corruptocrats in the foreign occupied foreign city state of Washington DC, but not the American People. Maybe the City of London and Vatican dominated armchair MIC generals in the Pentagon, but not the American People.

Getting the propaganda engines of the MSM to make people even THINK that Ukraine has anything to do with the welfare or security or proper international relations of the USA is a fiat.

The_Deplorable says

Why? They aren't in the Army....unless.

Mercs.

Ceffer says

Mercs.

Mercs wouldn't be treated in a US Army hospital.

More likely these are US military personnel 'on leave' while they fight on Ukraine. We did this shit in WW2.

Remember in Pearl Harbor when Ben Affleck got his ass shot down over the Channel? Same kind of arrangement.

socal2 says

What are Russia's strategic objectives in Ukraine these days?

Kill Nazis and stop the globalist who want Russia defanged and divided.

Onvacation says

Kill Nazis and stop the globalist who want Russia defanged and divided.

Russia is doing a pretty good job of defanging itself with their fuck up of an invasion for all the world to see.

Every part of Russia's military (including their Navy and Wagner) is considerably worse off today than 18 months ago.

There is no universe that Russia can argue that they have gained anything at this point other than pain, misery and death.

socal2 says

There is no universe that Russia can argue that they have gained anything at this point other than pain, misery and death.

They stopped the genocide of ethnic Russians in East Ukraine and exposed to the world the utter corruption of the Biden government.

Onvacation says

They stopped the genocide of ethnic Russians in East Ukraine and exposed to the world the utter corruption of the Biden government.

FFS - is this what all this Russian boosterism is about on the Right?

We didn't need Russia to get hundreds of thousands of people killed to expose Biden's corruption.

socal2 says

FFS - is this what all this Russian boosterism is about on the Right?

It isn't Russian boosterism. It's truth boosterism.

socal2 says

We didn't need Russia to get hundreds of thousands of people killed to expose Biden's corruption.

Agreed!

So why are we doing it?

Trollhole says

It isn't Russian boosterism. It's truth boosterism.

But you (you specifically) have been catastrophically wrong on all your Russian boosterism predictions here at Patnet.

Not just a little wrong. But MacGreggor level of embarrassing wrong with all your cocksure predictions that turn out 180 degrees opposite.

socal2 says

catastrophically wrong on all your Russian boosterism predictions here at Patnet.

No I haven't. You just think so because you won't expand your knowledge beyond the US propaganda sources you consume .

Oh, and by trying claiming so you just admitted you were wrong about your claims this is Russian boosterism. That is is truth boosterism. You just acknowledged that even though you flat deny said truth.

Thanks!