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WookieMan says

Dude, I don't get where you're going. I still don't think Socal has even said Ukraine will win this shit bomb.

This is what it is like discussing Ukraine with some people.

WookieMan says

Dude, I don't get where you're going.

That's because you keep promoting the wussy-pussy nonsense "ohhh..nobody is going to win this war because both sides suffer!"

Wrong. There is always a winner or loser. Especially in this case.

WookieMan says

still don't think Socal has even said Ukraine will win this shit bomb.

He just did in his previous post. Every time he posts bullshit and ridiculously conflates it to 'Russia is losing' he is also saying Ukraine is winning.

WookieMan says

The point is that Russia looks like shit on so many levels.

So what? So is Yemen.

It's not losing this war.

WookieMan says

is not a NATO nation

Oh yes it is. It can't pay its own pensions and government salaries. That all comes from us, for the most part. That makes it a NATO satrapy.

WookieMan says

it did was make Russia's situation globally completely fucked

Now you are posting bullshit just like socal does.

Russia's economy is booming. And about to do so even more if Biden is real about limiting LNG exports. They are winning DESPITE whatever problems they have.

Does anyone know what Burisma payed Hunter for?

I think the answer to that question will give insight into why we are fighting a proxy war in Ukraine.

socal2 says

WookieMan says

Dude, I don't get where you're going. I still don't think Socal has even said Ukraine will win this shit bomb.

This is what it is like discussing Ukraine with some people.

See Wookie?

He is essentially denying Ukraine Is Fucked.

Whatever he said previously otherwise was a flat out lie.

UkraineIsFucked says

He is essentially denying Ukraine Is Fucked

Uh no - just denying that Russia is winning anything despite their tremendous expenditure of blood and treasure.

You are essentially making the argument that a rapist who got their eyes gouged out by their victim and thrown into prison has "won" because they still managed to successfully rape their victim.

https://jameshowardkunstler.substack.com/p/war-delirium

You didn’t ask, but things are not going so well in our remote-control war in Ukraine against Russia (Putinland). Our Zelensky team (we own it) got completely rope-a-doped, punched itself out, its knees are buckling. Victoria Nuland, the renowned State Department girlie war-hawk, says she’s confident that Congress will pass the new $61 billion aid package for the Z-team, according to Radio Free Europe, the blob’s official propaganda outlet. The blob wants you to think that Putin wants to turn all of Europe into Putinland. I’m sure. Tori Nuland probably thinks we can save Ukraine with the fabulous girlie army and some snazzy new drones from McDonnell Douglas. Hey, it’s war, war, war. Bomb them all — Iran, Russia, Texas — and let God sort them out.

socal2 says

Uh no - just denying that Russia is winning anything despite their tremendous expenditure of blood and treasure

You are denying the irrational.

socal2 says

You are essentially making the argument that a rapist who got their eyes gouged out by their victim and thrown into prison has "won" because they still managed to successfully rape their victim.

Russia is not getting the equivalent of eyes being gouged out. Except in Ukey Fluffer Imaginary Land.

You are projecting what is happening to Ukraine to avoid cognitive dissonance built up.by all your bullshit. Just like you do about EVs.

Ukraine is the nation-state equivalent of a brain dead patient on life support. A vegetable amongst nations. A satrapy of the US.

South Vietnam was more nationally self-functional when we left there.

Russia has almost 1 million mobilized now, a war economy that outproduces the West and embarrassed the West by making a mockery of their retarded sanctions.

But again, you can't deal with the cognitive dissonance...so.

Trump all in on supporting Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1753100711544455480

UkraineIsFucked says

Russia has almost 1 million mobilized now, a war economy that outproduces the West and embarrassed the West by making a mockery of their retarded sanctions.

And they're losing humans and equipment. Ukraine was never going to win this thing and will be fucked for likely 40-50 years. I like Trump, but this isn't ending anytime soon even under his watch if he wins. If Russia was a super power this would have been over already and they got a tiny swath of land. It's embarrassing for anyone involved. More so for Russia from a global viewpoint.

I don't like any of this shit. I just filed taxes and paid $40k to the federal government when half the country pays zero. I have no interest in this war. With or without Western and European help, I still think the Ukrainians would make Russia look like shit. Aren't we past two years at this point?? That's not a super power by any means. Russia will win, but is getting it's ass handed to itself in the meantime. This should already be over.

socal2 says

Trump all in on supporting Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1753100711544455480

Grow a brain. He's all for setting Europe up to fail NATO again.

UkraineIsFucked says

Grow a brain. He's all for setting Europe up to fail NATO again.

He definitely wants out of NATO. He wants the war done, but I don't think it's something he can achieve. Russia is going to occupy Ukraine for a decade. There won't be a permanent resolution to the conflict. Both nations are butt fucking themselves. The human loss isn't trivial on either side. They've fucked themselves for decades.

This isn't about winning or losing. It's about who is the bigger dumb ass. Russia has that trophy already at this point.

WookieMan says

He definitely wants out of NATO. He wants the war done, but I don't think it's something he can achieve. Russia is going to occupy Ukraine for a decade. There won't be a permanent resolution to the conflict. Both nations are butt fucking themselves. The human loss isn't trivial on either side. They've fucked themselves for decades.

He'll end the war just like we ended the Vietnam War...pull out. (Which should be super easy to do since we don't have troops, er...'advisors' in satrapy to pull out, right?)

Europe won't pay up enough so that the US match total will do anything. Plus, we can't produce more arms that the Ukeys need, like tanks and ammo/shells. So it doesn't matter what we 'pledge'. Money can only buy what is actually produced.

Ukraine Is Fucked

Ukraine's birth rate is toilet. So is Russia's.

Bringing in Central Asians won't help because their next generation will become 1 and a half child women also, which happened to previous waves of Central Asians immigrating to Russia West of the Urals. Khazakstan has the 2nd highest divorce rate in the world, behind the Maldives which is some kind of weird very mild Islamic resort/trust parking place for funny money.

OrthoBros tout Putin and of course Eastern Orthodoxy as the Saviours of Christendom, but Russia has the highest divorce rate in the world and one of the lowest birthrates, despite tightly regulating American Evango-Charismatic missionaries.


https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/divorce-rates-by-country

Damn, my retarded ass mispelled Atheist.

Fertility rate/child per woman:

Russia 1.6
Ukraine 1.3
Moldova, Belarus 1.3-1.4
Cyprus 1.3
Greece 1.4

Western Schismatics:
Italy 1.3
Austria, Poland 1.5
Ireland 1.7
Spain 1.6

Lutherans
Norway 1.6
Denmark 1.7

General Protestantism
USA 1.7

I leave Sweet Den and Al-France out due to their numbers being ginned up by "New Europeans". Germany and Netherlands and UK too mixed in religion and also ginned up by "New Europeans".

Just more evidence that "The Western MSN lies!!! Therefore RT, MintPress, Middle East Eye, and Muh Edgy influencers are 100% Correct!!!" is a thing, the way they carry on you'd think everything was good or at least a lot less bad in birthrates and marriages there. It's worse, and substantially so.

We live in interesting times.

AmericanKulak says

Bringing in Central Asians won't help because their next generation will become 1 and a half child women also, which happened to previous waves of Central Asians immigrating to Russia West of the Urals.

The current fertility rate for Russia in 2024 is 1.826 births per woman, a 0.05% increase from 2023.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/RUS/russia/fertility-rate

The current fertility rate for U.S. in 2024 is 1.786 births per woman, a 0.11% increase from 2023.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/fertility-rate

AmericanKulak says

"Fertility rate/child per woman:"

Kulak, I cannot find the fertility rates in the link with the divorce rates. Do you have another table for the fertility rates?

Thanks

They could be fucking and pumping babies out like the world is gonna end. You need men AND women to have babies. Russia is losing both. The birth rate is a dip shit statistic. Sorry. Per capita is a thing. 200k men dying and probably 100k women leaving the country is a good thing?

https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1753827565293436943

The_Deplorable says

Kulak, I cannot find the fertility rates in the link with the divorce rates. Do you have another table for the fertility rates?

Sorry bud, forgot to put it in.





5 of those have majorities belonging/affilitated with (however nominally) of the Traditional Apostlic Churches, and yes, there's a lot more than just Orthodoxy and Catholic.

There's Church of the East, Oriental Churches, etc. many of which have their own Popes and Anti-Popes and Schisms within. For example, the Church of the East (Nestorian) has an Assyrian and "Regular" Pope right now and hate each other as schismatic false teachers. They haven't been in communion with the False Apostolic Succession of Catholics since 451 and with Orthodoxy since 431 based on those Babylonian Synogugue of Satan Church Councils (at Chalcedon 451 and Ephesus 431).

Something to keep in mind when Proddies are attacked for not having Tradition and Apostolic Succession, that there are Churches dating back before the fall of the Western Roman Empire and have tens of millions or more members that reject both Rome and Byzantium/Moscow.

A Senate bill would provide a measly $650 million to continue building a border wall at the United States-Mexico border while Ukraine would be sent $48 billion in American taxpayer money.

The bill, negotiated by Sens. James Lankford (R-OK), Chris Murphy (D-CT), and Kyrsten Sinema (I-AZ), would give Ukraine nearly $50 billion in U.S. tax dollars to defend its borders from Russian invasion.

At the same time, the bill spends just $650 million “to build and reinforce miles and miles of new border wall,” according to Lankford’s office. That funding is likely to build only a couple dozen miles of border wall.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/02/04/senate-bill-gives-ukraine-75x-funding-u-s-border-wall/

https://jameshowardkunstler.substack.com/p/brace-for-impact

So, do you really want to chance this Putin guy actually explaining calmly and clearly to folks here how our own State Department cooked up this war in Ukraine, and keeps it going month after month? Figures such as the ex-conservative Bill Kristol (now blob cheerleader), want to prevent the Tucker Carlson satellite from re-entering the USA after its Moscow visit. Mr. Kristol is apparently under the illusion that we are at war with Russia. Somebody please inform him that this is just not so. Strictly speaking, Russia is just another European nation that Americans can visit on a visa. That’s a fact, Jack. And if you happen to be there, and you’re a journalist, and Putin, Putin, Putin agrees to an interview, well. . . you sit down and talk to the guy. . . and record it. . . and let people around the world decide what to think about it.

Ukrainian drones denazified a Lukoil oil refinery in the Krasnoarmeysky District, Volgograd region in the USSR. UP reports the involvement of Ukrainian SBU. It is reported that this refinery is the largest producer of petroleum products in the Southern Federal District of the USSR.

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1753731500032295043

Patrick says

Strictly speaking, Russia is just another European nation that Americans can visit on a visa.

Correction: another Asian nation that stupid Americans can visit on a visa. Because the chances of getting scooped up on BS charges and spend 3-5 years in Gulag waiting to be exchanged for some KGB fuck are extremely non-trivial.

Oh, noes! Nazis have attacked our other best friend - Chyna - too:

Chinese Defense Minister Dong Jun told Shoigu that the PRC will support Russia on the "Ukrainian issue" despite continuous pressure from the US and Europe.

Earlier, China recognized the Taliban government in Afghanistan.

❗️The masks are off.

https://twitter.com/jurgen_nauditt/status/1752752469841461351

LEAVE POOR DEFENSELESS CHYNA ALONE, YOU DIRTY NAZI BASTARDS!!!

KYIV/BEIJING, Feb 1 (Reuters) - China demanded on Thursday that Ukraine immediately remove more than a dozen Chinese companies from a list of firms designated as "international sponsors of war", saying it wanted Kyiv to "eliminate negative impacts".
The remarks came after Reuters reported that China's ambassador in Kyiv had told senior Ukrainian government officials last month that the inclusion of the companies on the list could hurt bilateral ties.
"China firmly opposes the inclusion of Chinese enterprises in the relevant list and demands that Ukraine immediately correct its mistakes and eliminate negative impacts," a Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson told Reuters after the report was published. It did not specify what those impacts may be.

Cucker Tarlson should immediately fly to Peking and sit down with Xi Pingpong to record his calm and collected explaination of this horrible unprovoked aggression against peaceful nation by dirty Joo Nazi regime!

From Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna of Florida:

Eric Holder says

Correction: another Asian nation that stupid Americans can visit on a visa. Because the chances of getting scooped up on BS charges and spend 3-5 years in Gulag waiting to be exchanged for some KGB fuck are extremely non-trivial.

You mean like what happened to Ginzalo Lira?

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/weekend-at-zelenskys-wednesday-february

In the understated words of one war watcher, Ukraine’s precarious position is “becoming increasingly untenable.” Frankly, it is a disaster. It is a disaster we all knew was coming from the first moment U.S. State Department maven Viktoria Nuland waddled into the fray. It would not even be unreasonable to call the situation ‘apocalyptic,’ since there are (at least) four horsemen of disaster facing Ukraine, all fatal, none resolvable, and every one galloping at full speed towards some kind of grim final conclusion.

The Red Horse—Ukraine is Losing. In what looks like a coalescing global offensive, Russia is attacking all along the contested line, and none of the news anywhere is good news for Ukraine. I don’t monitor the day-to-day village-level news like the warbloggers, but there is a solid consensus that Ukraine is losing everywhere. ...

Ukraine is not winning, anywhere on the battlefield. Which brings us to the next horse.




Unlike Ukraine, Russia has successfully transformed its economy into a growing war economy with strong military manufacturing capability. Russia is now building more artillery shells than the rest of the world combined. But, because it lazily relies on foreign aid for military materiel, Ukraine has not built out much of any military manufacturing infrastructure.

Ukraine took the easy way, and in doing so made itself vulnerable to the vicissitudes of unreliable foreign partners, all of whom have different reasons and politics than Ukraine for being involved. ...

The Times’ non-paywalled article cited above described Zelensky’s latest political trial balloon, which looks like nothing less than a threat of a good-old Soviet-era purge. In other words, Zelensky is facing a large, well-equipped internal enemy, an enemy the media has nominated to be represented by the leader of Ukraine’s armed forces, General Valeriy Zaluzhny.

Now, for Zelensky to survive, like the Trotsky-ites of old, the Zaluzhny-ites must go.

But Zelensky isn’t Stalin, and things aren’t shaping up well for the little proto-dictator. Two weeks ago, Zelensky publicly asked Zaluzhny to resign, and Zaluzhny refused. Zelensky then offered the General money and prestige in the form of his pick of plum assignments, such as the country’s Ambassadorship to Great Britain, if he would step down, and again, Zaluzhny refused.

After back-and-forth headlines for two weeks, on Friday compliant corporate media dutifully reported that President Zelensky had “officially informed” the Biden Administration of Zelensky’s “decision” to give Zaluzhny his walking papers, fired, pink slipped, terminated effective immediately without severance, buh bye.

Well, it’s now Wednesday, and General Zaluzhny remains at the helm of Ukraine’s military, tweeting up a storm from his official offices. Apparently he’s now also refused to be fired, which is nothing less than a soft coup. It may be Zelensky hasn’t yet followed through with termination all the way, or some other politics may be in play, or he simply has no viable replacement for Zaluzhny and didn’t think about that before, but no matter how thinly you slice the situation, it looks terrible for the former comedian.

It has become painfully obvious to the meanest intelligence that General Zaluzhny must be well-protected, enjoying support from a large and politically-powerful cohort within Ukraine’s government, and that Zelensky’s power and ability to form a government has waned to an embarrassingly low point and is more or less in a ditch. Which is probably why Zelensky has now retreated to babbling about a broad “reorganization,” which provides a smokescreen and coward’s cover for why General Zaluzhny is still taking up space in his office.

“A reset, a new beginning is necessary,” Mr. Zelensky ironically told Italian media outlet Rai News on Sunday night. “I have something serious in mind, which is not about a single person but about the direction of the country’s leadership.”

The direction of the country’s leadership. Zelensky seemed oblivious to the fact his quote could be directed right back at him. After all, who represents the country’s leadership more than he does? Maybe Ukraine’s reset and its new beginning need to start where the buck stops — at the penis pianist.

It need hardly be said that the middle of a war — especially a war that’s not going well — is the worst possible time to replace your top general and purge your government of all his supporters. Even mentioning the move smacks of desperation and futility and sinking ships.

The days when it was treason to question the Proxy War have long passed. The United States is also now distracted by its own problems, problems that are right on its own borders, not to mention a newer, younger, more attractive proxy war shaping up in the Middle East. To the neocons, the Middle East is a 22-year-old hot yoga instructor, and Ukraine is a middle-aged divorcee with a psychotic ex-husband, thirteen cats, and three drug-addled grown children who all live at home.

You could even argue the Biden Administration would secretly be happy to dump the Ukraine problem on Republicans, to avoid being tarred with a shameful, inevitable defeat on the battlefield during an election year. In that sense, Team Biden cares not that the S.S. Ukraine is already sinking into the abyss, so long as a late-fired, ‘Republican obstruction’-torpedo catches the blame.

The bottom line is Ukraine is on the ventilator. Russia isn’t waiting around to see whether the Americans will get back to propping the luckless Eastern European country up like a real-life Weekend at Zelensky’s.

Patrick says

And Ukey Nazi Fluffers of PatNet also support that same country.

"Russia’s strategy of avoiding costly breakthrough offensives while building up its combat potential, all while destroying Ukrainian manpower and equipment faster than it can be replaced, has an accumulative effect. This effect will result in the eventual collapse of Ukraine’s fighting capacity, all while Russian fighting capacity continues to expand. What is written off as a “stalemate” by Western analysts because of a current lack of “forward motion” by Russian forces, is actually a deliberate choice by Russian commanders to increase the tactical and strategic advantages Russian forces have on the battlefield ahead of any potential future offensive. Each day this “stalemate” persists, Russia’s prospects, relative to Ukraine, improve.

Nothing about Ukraine’s “successes” in the Black Sea address this fundamental problem and the inevitable outcome it leads to. Ukrainian “successes” simply distract attention away from this inevitability, but cannot prevent it. Russia’s “inaction” in response to these Ukrainian “successes” interpreted as “weakness,” may instead be interpreted as indifference, recognizing that time is on Russia’s side and winning public relations battles is far less important than winning the actual war."

https://journal-neo.su/2024/02/05/ukraines-black-sea-victory-is-a-distraction/

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-zelenskyy-replacing-top-general-valerii-zaluzhnyi-to-lead-army/

I think Zelensky is making a big mistake.

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AD says

I think Zelensky is making a big mistake.

The CIA will now stage a military coup. Zelensky will be retired to a nice, safe place in the US on our dime. He'll get to keep all the money he stole, too.

UkraineIsFucked says

The CIA will now stage a military coup. Zelensky will be retired to a nice, safe place in the US on our dime. He'll get to keep all the money he stole, too.

Maybe. He might also be Diem'd by the Ukraine Military and the best-funded highest tech intel services in the world won't be able to figure out which Colonel knocked him off on purpose bc they don't want to know, or have a tragic small plane accident.

AD says

I think Zelensky is making a big mistake.

What difference does it make? He's getting money and killing Russians. That was the goal. Not saying I agree with it, but understand that Ukraine is a pawn. Russia was always going to get what it wanted. They could have gone about it in a different manner is the issue. Hold gun and point it at your foot. That's what Russia is doing.

Now that Putin has strangled and poisoned Tucker live on air, Zelensky is a shoo in for another 20 billion at least.

AD says

I think Zelensky is making a big mistake.

Yes, he needs to replace that guy with a woke general.

HeadSet says

AD says

I think Zelensky is making a big mistake.

Yes, he needs to replace that guy with a woke general.

Another refinery denazified last night:

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1755844405078925370

https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/status/1755782342918955435

The_Deplorable says

https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/status/1755782342918955435

Ukraine is a laundromat.

HeadSet says

Ukraine is a laundromat.

That and it's showing Russia is a paper tiger. Putin is pissed he hasn't won. He knows what this is. Biden ain't running the show. This is the Pentagon and DOD slapping Russia. We're winning.

Given time we can produce everything we need in this hemisphere. We will let that part of the globe go to shit like it always has. Biden won't win. If Trump does we're in for a decade or prosperity regardless of our debt. We just need to get through this year.