Greeted like Liberators: Ukraine Invasion Thread
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Misc
2022 Mar 22, 10:34pm
Taiwan and Japan have got to be wondering if the US will back up its commitments to them with the same fervor it promised to Ukraine when it gave up its nukes.
Any sane foreign government would not believe US assurances of military backing. If they acted in their own self-interest, they would get their own nuclear deterrent.
NATO membership is a good bluff, but it is only a bluff. The NATO countries are not going to war if one member is attacked.
As an example ... let's say Poland decides it can no longer house millions of additional refugees from Ukraine so it makes a deal with Ukraine to annex Ukraine as part of Poland for a while, thereby using the NATO shield to protect Ukraine. This should force Russia to flee as it could not possibly defeat NATO.
... or do you think the other NATO countries would kinda well you know welch on the agreement for fear of being nuked. --- as I say NATO is only a bluff
Any sane foreign government would not believe US assurances of military backing. If they acted in their own self-interest, they would get their own nuclear deterrent.
NATO membership is a good bluff, but it is only a bluff. The NATO countries are not going to war if one member is attacked.
As an example ... let's say Poland decides it can no longer house millions of additional refugees from Ukraine so it makes a deal with Ukraine to annex Ukraine as part of Poland for a while, thereby using the NATO shield to protect Ukraine. This should force Russia to flee as it could not possibly defeat NATO.
... or do you think the other NATO countries would kinda well you know welch on the agreement for fear of being nuked. --- as I say NATO is only a bluff
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Ceffer
2022 Mar 22, 11:12pm
Ceffer
2022 Mar 22, 11:12pm
Misc says
You mean the United States the soul of honorable behavior and impeccable credibility with our thrashing, insane, psychopathic fools in governance through a stolen election?
Taiwan also has many of those DARPA biolabs it appears, and rumors have it that they have already hashed out an agreement in principle with the mainland for rapprochement.
No matter what bullshit the MSM gives, you don't need these labs for 'defense'. Bioweapons are weapons of terror that work in a generalized and crude manner on entire populations. They cannot be targeted in time and space to specific uniformed combatants representing countries at war. So if that is the case, who exactly are the intended targets?
The fact that these labs exist in so many different locations spread out in such large numbers such as Khaz, Ukraine, Taiwan etc. simply means they are intended to be a multi focal engine of genocide to be released from these many geo locations to kill large masses the populaces as the Globalists intend. This is the NWO Biden is raving about.
The Rockefeller eugenicists and Globalists have been hungering for this since they 'got away' with the Spanish Flu, which was neither Spanish nor was it a flu, it was a mass murder casualty accomplished with vaccines. When they lost their ability to extort with the 'suitcase nukes', the next engine of world extortion is these bioweapons.
Taiwan and Japan have got to be wondering if the US will back up its commitments to them with the same fervor it promised to Ukraine when it gave up its nukes.
You mean the United States the soul of honorable behavior and impeccable credibility with our thrashing, insane, psychopathic fools in governance through a stolen election?
Taiwan also has many of those DARPA biolabs it appears, and rumors have it that they have already hashed out an agreement in principle with the mainland for rapprochement.
No matter what bullshit the MSM gives, you don't need these labs for 'defense'. Bioweapons are weapons of terror that work in a generalized and crude manner on entire populations. They cannot be targeted in time and space to specific uniformed combatants representing countries at war. So if that is the case, who exactly are the intended targets?
The fact that these labs exist in so many different locations spread out in such large numbers such as Khaz, Ukraine, Taiwan etc. simply means they are intended to be a multi focal engine of genocide to be released from these many geo locations to kill large masses the populaces as the Globalists intend. This is the NWO Biden is raving about.
The Rockefeller eugenicists and Globalists have been hungering for this since they 'got away' with the Spanish Flu, which was neither Spanish nor was it a flu, it was a mass murder casualty accomplished with vaccines. When they lost their ability to extort with the 'suitcase nukes', the next engine of world extortion is these bioweapons.
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2022 Mar 23, 12:23am
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2022 Mar 23, 12:23am
Patrick says
exactly same here. I'm seeing us being lied to again by the usual crew that lies all the time. something doesn't add up, as usual. it is very odd that our government and media went on such a pivot. CNN/FOX lied for years, suddenly they tell truth?... yeah right come on guys!!! you know they are full of shit, and if they are telling you something it's because they want something out of you. there are no news anymore, all we get is some sort of marketing. they are manufacturing some sort of consent as usual.
I do wish more people thought with their heads instead of just mindlessly pick sides in some third world conflict that shouldn't matter to us.
socal2 saysI just don't get all of the over the top hate on Zelensky and Ukraine by some folks.
I don't hate Zelensky, or Ukraine, or Putin, or Russia.
I am quite disappointed in the sudden lack of critical thinking by people who figured out the vaxx scam at least.
exactly same here. I'm seeing us being lied to again by the usual crew that lies all the time. something doesn't add up, as usual. it is very odd that our government and media went on such a pivot. CNN/FOX lied for years, suddenly they tell truth?... yeah right come on guys!!! you know they are full of shit, and if they are telling you something it's because they want something out of you. there are no news anymore, all we get is some sort of marketing. they are manufacturing some sort of consent as usual.
I do wish more people thought with their heads instead of just mindlessly pick sides in some third world conflict that shouldn't matter to us.
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Patrick
2022 Mar 23, 2:48am
Patrick
2022 Mar 23, 2:48am
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
This.
I do wish more people thought with their heads instead of just mindlessly pick sides in some third world conflict that shouldn't matter to us.
This.
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socal2
2022 Mar 23, 8:21am
Patrick says
Mindlessly picking sides?
Just because the Democrats and our Garbage Media went bonkers with the Russian collusion thing and COVID trying to take down Trump, doesn't mean I am going to automatically ignore and deny over half a century of USSR/Russian crimes and actions.
Even if everything claimed about Zelensky and Ukraine is true, it is not even remotely reasonable to justify the tens of thousands of people Russia is getting killed over the last month.
My whole life - Leftists and our Garbage Media has been trying to whitewash the manifest crimes of the Communists. It wasn't but a few years ago Obama was mocking Romney for pointing out the obvious threats from Putin and Russia. Hillary was busy doing photo-ops with Lavrov with the famous reset button and basically handing over Georgia and Crimea to Russia without a peep.
Just because Leftists and our Media are total hypocrites, doesn't mean those of us on the Right have to lose all sense of reality.
If the Media and Corporate America start getting critical on China and Iran, will you automatically pick the opposite side?
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut saysI do wish more people thought with their heads instead of just mindlessly pick sides in some third world conflict that shouldn't matter to us.
This.
Mindlessly picking sides?
Just because the Democrats and our Garbage Media went bonkers with the Russian collusion thing and COVID trying to take down Trump, doesn't mean I am going to automatically ignore and deny over half a century of USSR/Russian crimes and actions.
Even if everything claimed about Zelensky and Ukraine is true, it is not even remotely reasonable to justify the tens of thousands of people Russia is getting killed over the last month.
My whole life - Leftists and our Garbage Media has been trying to whitewash the manifest crimes of the Communists. It wasn't but a few years ago Obama was mocking Romney for pointing out the obvious threats from Putin and Russia. Hillary was busy doing photo-ops with Lavrov with the famous reset button and basically handing over Georgia and Crimea to Russia without a peep.
Just because Leftists and our Media are total hypocrites, doesn't mean those of us on the Right have to lose all sense of reality.
If the Media and Corporate America start getting critical on China and Iran, will you automatically pick the opposite side?
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2022 Mar 23, 8:27am
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2022 Mar 23, 8:27am
socal2 says
Friend, nothing on television is reality. There is little bit of truth to everything sure, that makes it more believable, but what they show us isn't reality, it's manufactured reality. It's been that way for years, and you know that. We've been lied into many wars and scams. All I'm saying is take things with grain of salt. Because it is suspicious what they are saying, and suddenly grew concerns the way they did, it is suspicious how they pivot and instantly we all are told by entire media complex to get behind whatever bullshit thing they want us to. And it's never for our benefit, we already had 2 years of lockdowns "for our own good", we should have learned by now.
I don't give a shit about Russia or Ukraine, but seeing how our government is all out in propaganda mode similar to Iraq WMD days, I call it for what it is. Media is business of consent manufacturing, you and I are living through it now. "We were always at war with FillInTheBlank".
Mindlessly picking sides?
Just because the Democrats and our Garbage Media went bonkers with the Russian collusion thing and COVID trying to take down Trump, doesn't mean I am going to automatically ignore and deny over half a century of USSR/Russian crimes and actions.
Even if everything claimed about Zelensky and Ukraine is true, it is not even remotely reasonable to justify the tens of thousands of people Russia is getting killed over the last month.
My whole life - Leftists and our Garbage Media has been trying to whitewash the manifest crimes of the Communists. It wasn't but a few years ago Obama was mocking Romney for pointing out the obvious threats from Putin and Russia. Hillary was busy doing photo-ops with Lavrov with the famous reset button and basically handing over Georgia and Crimea to Russia without a peep.
Just because Leftists and our Media are total hypocrites, doesn't mean those of us on the Right have to lose all sense of reality.
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Friend, nothing on television is reality. There is little bit of truth to everything sure, that makes it more believable, but what they show us isn't reality, it's manufactured reality. It's been that way for years, and you know that. We've been lied into many wars and scams. All I'm saying is take things with grain of salt. Because it is suspicious what they are saying, and suddenly grew concerns the way they did, it is suspicious how they pivot and instantly we all are told by entire media complex to get behind whatever bullshit thing they want us to. And it's never for our benefit, we already had 2 years of lockdowns "for our own good", we should have learned by now.
I don't give a shit about Russia or Ukraine, but seeing how our government is all out in propaganda mode similar to Iraq WMD days, I call it for what it is. Media is business of consent manufacturing, you and I are living through it now. "We were always at war with FillInTheBlank".
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mostly reader
2022 Mar 23, 9:29am
Sand bags for improvised fortifications.
Odessa is getting ready to give the liberators greeting that they deserve, Bon Jovi style: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlWKrxLBsss&source=patrick.net
Odessa is getting ready to give the liberators greeting that they deserve, Bon Jovi style: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlWKrxLBsss&source=patrick.net
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richwicks
2022 Mar 23, 12:27pm
richwicks
2022 Mar 23, 12:27pm
socal2 says
Where do you get the 10's of thousands? Just who is providing that number?
What I have to laugh about is that suddenly, people have found their humanity suddenly. They didn't care when the US bombed Iraq over a non existent weapons of mass destruction program, or when they returned Libya to civil war and left it with slavery markets, nor when they bombed Syria back to the stone age for Genie Energy. They don't care when Israel spends 70 years bombing the native inhabitants or just outright murders them to expand settlements, the war in Yemen doesn't matter no matter how many people are killed, it doesn't even matter when they were dropping bombs on Afghanistan when there's no mission objective at all for that war.
But when RUSSIA goes to a war, oh my - the HUMANITY!
People are unprincipled easily led sheep. They only care about something when they are TOLD to care about something - they don't actually care, they just go through the motions of it. They ape it having principles and morals. They mimic it, and it's the MSM and government pulling their strings.
The United States has aligned itself with al-Qaeda, with ISIS, with "moderate rebels", with Nazis, with communists - these are our Kurdish "allies" the PKK. They rename groups constantly, the Taliban (evil) magically aren't the Mujahideen (good!) anymore. It happens over night, and all the time. These are the same people that call arsonists and looters "mostly peaceful protesters", and peaceful protesters "insurrectionists" and people just believe it, and SINCERELY believe it.
If our masters are telling the truth this time about Ukraine, it's a first in a LONG long time.
These are the same people that protected Epstein and then tried and convicted (presumably) Ghislaine Maxwell, but we have no idea who her clients were, and they aren't going to be prosecuted. Our masters have zero ethics and they are the ones directing everybody's very superficial and changeable on a whim "ethics". Ed Buck had to murder two people before he was arrested, Harvey Weinstein had to rape over 2 dozen women. Hunter Biden is a drug addict and frequents prostitutes, has child porn on his computer - what happens? The guy that reported it is out of a job and has been doxxed. Julian Assange is going to die in prison because he exposed SOME criminality of our government.
It is a lot like 1984. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia, when the day before, it was at war with Eurasia. It changes practically overnight, and the population is induced to entirely forget just a few weeks ago, Al-Qaeda did 9/11, now they are our partners in Syria. I don't know how a typical person can live with the average level of cognitive dissonance they would have to have, unless they simply have abandoned their cognition.
And this:
socal2 says
I wouldn't say mindlessly, but I would say that the side you are picking, was picked for you. You didn't pick it.
MKUltra was a real thing, and I would argue it was pretty effective.
When you find yourself agreeing with the propaganda, take a step back.
Even if everything claimed about Zelensky and Ukraine is true, it is not even remotely reasonable to justify the tens of thousands of people Russia is getting killed over the last month.
Where do you get the 10's of thousands? Just who is providing that number?
What I have to laugh about is that suddenly, people have found their humanity suddenly. They didn't care when the US bombed Iraq over a non existent weapons of mass destruction program, or when they returned Libya to civil war and left it with slavery markets, nor when they bombed Syria back to the stone age for Genie Energy. They don't care when Israel spends 70 years bombing the native inhabitants or just outright murders them to expand settlements, the war in Yemen doesn't matter no matter how many people are killed, it doesn't even matter when they were dropping bombs on Afghanistan when there's no mission objective at all for that war.
But when RUSSIA goes to a war, oh my - the HUMANITY!
People are unprincipled easily led sheep. They only care about something when they are TOLD to care about something - they don't actually care, they just go through the motions of it. They ape it having principles and morals. They mimic it, and it's the MSM and government pulling their strings.
The United States has aligned itself with al-Qaeda, with ISIS, with "moderate rebels", with Nazis, with communists - these are our Kurdish "allies" the PKK. They rename groups constantly, the Taliban (evil) magically aren't the Mujahideen (good!) anymore. It happens over night, and all the time. These are the same people that call arsonists and looters "mostly peaceful protesters", and peaceful protesters "insurrectionists" and people just believe it, and SINCERELY believe it.
If our masters are telling the truth this time about Ukraine, it's a first in a LONG long time.
These are the same people that protected Epstein and then tried and convicted (presumably) Ghislaine Maxwell, but we have no idea who her clients were, and they aren't going to be prosecuted. Our masters have zero ethics and they are the ones directing everybody's very superficial and changeable on a whim "ethics". Ed Buck had to murder two people before he was arrested, Harvey Weinstein had to rape over 2 dozen women. Hunter Biden is a drug addict and frequents prostitutes, has child porn on his computer - what happens? The guy that reported it is out of a job and has been doxxed. Julian Assange is going to die in prison because he exposed SOME criminality of our government.
It is a lot like 1984. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia, when the day before, it was at war with Eurasia. It changes practically overnight, and the population is induced to entirely forget just a few weeks ago, Al-Qaeda did 9/11, now they are our partners in Syria. I don't know how a typical person can live with the average level of cognitive dissonance they would have to have, unless they simply have abandoned their cognition.
And this:
socal2 says
Mindlessly picking sides?
I wouldn't say mindlessly, but I would say that the side you are picking, was picked for you. You didn't pick it.
MKUltra was a real thing, and I would argue it was pretty effective.
When you find yourself agreeing with the propaganda, take a step back.
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Eric Holder
2022 Mar 23, 3:54pm
Eric Holder
2022 Mar 23, 3:54pm
richwicks says
Correct. It was not that long ago when one user known by handle "richwicks" was going on two-page rants about how wrong and criminal Iraq war was in every fuckin thread no matter the subject. Now he's all: "meh, so Russia kills Ukrainians on some bullshit pretext, big fucking deal, nothing to see there". A truly unpricipled easily led sheep, that one.
What I have to laugh about is that suddenly, people have found their humanity suddenly. They didn't care when the US bombed Iraq over a non existent weapons of mass destruction program, or when they returned Libya to civil war and left it with slavery markets, nor when they bombed Syria back to the stone age for Genie Energy. They don't care when Israel spends 70 years bombing the native inhabitants or just outright murders them to expand settlements, the war in Yemen doesn't matter no matter how many people are killed, it doesn't even matter when they were dropping bombs on Afghanistan when there's no mission objective at all for that war.
But when RUSSIA goes to a war, oh my - the HUMANITY!
People are unprincipled easily led sheep.
Correct. It was not that long ago when one user known by handle "richwicks" was going on two-page rants about how wrong and criminal Iraq war was in every fuckin thread no matter the subject. Now he's all: "meh, so Russia kills Ukrainians on some bullshit pretext, big fucking deal, nothing to see there". A truly unpricipled easily led sheep, that one.
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richwicks
2022 Mar 23, 4:18pm
richwicks
2022 Mar 23, 4:18pm
Eric Holder says
That's right. You know what my problem with that war was? We don't know why it was fought and since then, it is now completely permissible for the United States to start a war, without even having a mission objective. It's been that way ever since.
Eric Holder says
Do you understand the difference between the United States, the country I live in, going to war versus Russia, a country I DON'T live in going to war?
War damages the nation. The US has been in 7 wars since 2000. In what way have any of these wars helped this nation? Name any way it has helped this nation. You can't even name the countries the US has been at war with, and you don't give a shit. None of you care about the people killed in war, even when you're paying for it, to your detriment and my detriment and the entire nation's detriment. You're paying for this and so am I.
I don't care if Russia damages itself. The only thing I care about, is that the United States not get involved any more than they ALREADY have in Ukraine. Now if Russians are against the war, I sympathize with them, I sympathize with the Ukrainians being against the war as well. This war was totally unnecessary, all Russia (said they) wanted was for Ukraine to remain neutral and abide by the Minsk Accords, but the Minsky Accords - that's to pacify the Russian population - it's a fake humanitarian reason.
You understand the difference don't you? You understand that it's entirely reasonable to have different rules or MY nation than another nation, don't you?
Eric Holder says
I don't think so. You root for whatever your government tells you to root for, even if it harms the nation. The US has predators in power. You know this. Let me demonstrate this:
Name everything that our government has done or changed since George H Bush, William Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, or Joe Biden has done that YOU believe was beneficial for this nation? I can list pages of negative things that have been done under those administrations.
I don't think you know what a principle is. You just support what you're programmed to support. Demonstrate I'm wrong, and show me you are capable of thinking and you have principles. List all the great and good things that our Federal government has done in the last 35 years. I bet you can't list 5 of them, and if you're able to struggle enough to do that, I'll demonstrate how you misunderstand what was done and you're just promoting them because you're repeating the propaganda narrative.
Correct. It was not that long ago when one user known by handle "richwicks" was going on two-page rants about how wrong and criminal Iraq war was in every fuckin thread no matter the subject.
That's right. You know what my problem with that war was? We don't know why it was fought and since then, it is now completely permissible for the United States to start a war, without even having a mission objective. It's been that way ever since.
Eric Holder says
Now he's all: "meh, so Russia kills Ukrainians on some bullshit pretext, big fucking deal, nothing to see there".
Do you understand the difference between the United States, the country I live in, going to war versus Russia, a country I DON'T live in going to war?
War damages the nation. The US has been in 7 wars since 2000. In what way have any of these wars helped this nation? Name any way it has helped this nation. You can't even name the countries the US has been at war with, and you don't give a shit. None of you care about the people killed in war, even when you're paying for it, to your detriment and my detriment and the entire nation's detriment. You're paying for this and so am I.
I don't care if Russia damages itself. The only thing I care about, is that the United States not get involved any more than they ALREADY have in Ukraine. Now if Russians are against the war, I sympathize with them, I sympathize with the Ukrainians being against the war as well. This war was totally unnecessary, all Russia (said they) wanted was for Ukraine to remain neutral and abide by the Minsk Accords, but the Minsky Accords - that's to pacify the Russian population - it's a fake humanitarian reason.
You understand the difference don't you? You understand that it's entirely reasonable to have different rules or MY nation than another nation, don't you?
Eric Holder says
A truly unpricipled easily led sheep, that one.
I don't think so. You root for whatever your government tells you to root for, even if it harms the nation. The US has predators in power. You know this. Let me demonstrate this:
Name everything that our government has done or changed since George H Bush, William Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, or Joe Biden has done that YOU believe was beneficial for this nation? I can list pages of negative things that have been done under those administrations.
I don't think you know what a principle is. You just support what you're programmed to support. Demonstrate I'm wrong, and show me you are capable of thinking and you have principles. List all the great and good things that our Federal government has done in the last 35 years. I bet you can't list 5 of them, and if you're able to struggle enough to do that, I'll demonstrate how you misunderstand what was done and you're just promoting them because you're repeating the propaganda narrative.
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mostly reader
2022 Mar 23, 4:35pm
> richwicks
Since you and morality don't mix well I'll leave the moral part of the equation aside for now. Let's just focus on the technical part. Are you saying that US should go back on the pledge that it made in Budapest memorandum?
Yes or No?
Since you and morality don't mix well I'll leave the moral part of the equation aside for now. Let's just focus on the technical part. Are you saying that US should go back on the pledge that it made in Budapest memorandum?
Yes or No?
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AmericanKulak
2022 Mar 23, 5:51pm
AmericanKulak
2022 Mar 23, 5:51pm
socal2 says
They're doing it now, except it's for the Megacorp Socialists.
Remember how much whinging you heard when Russia did the "Don't indoctrinate with Gay" law a few years ago from the Media? And the SJW priest-beating, altar-destroying Pussy Riot? And they got "art" grants from the US Government?
This bitch, again:
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-xpm-2012-aug-17-la-et-ms-pussy-riot-new-single-state-department-20120817-story.html
Article is from 2011.
My whole life - Leftists and our Garbage Media has been trying to whitewash the manifest crimes of the Communists. It wasn't but a few years ago Obama was mocking Romney for pointing out the obvious threats from Putin and Russia. Hillary was busy doing photo-ops with Lavrov with the famous reset button and basically handing over Georgia and Crimea to Russia without a peep.
They're doing it now, except it's for the Megacorp Socialists.
Remember how much whinging you heard when Russia did the "Don't indoctrinate with Gay" law a few years ago from the Media? And the SJW priest-beating, altar-destroying Pussy Riot? And they got "art" grants from the US Government?
This bitch, again:
In a later announcement, the U.S. State Department issued an official message of concern over Friday’s verdict. Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said that “The United States is concerned about both the verdict and the disproportionate sentences handed down by a Moscow court in the case against the members of the band Pussy Riot and the negative impact on freedom of expression in Russia. We urge Russian authorities to review this case and ensure that the right to freedom of expression is upheld.”
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-xpm-2012-aug-17-la-et-ms-pussy-riot-new-single-state-department-20120817-story.html
Article is from 2011.
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richwicks
2022 Mar 23, 6:04pm
richwicks
2022 Mar 23, 6:04pm
mostly reader says
I've just come to accept morality has nothing to do with it, because it doesn't. In evolutionary psychology, morality is derived from long term survival, or that's the hypothesis. Since people won't deal with the morality abstraction, I concentrate on long term self interest, but people just entrust their long term survival to people like Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Mitt Romney, Barack Obama, George W. Bush and other obvious garbage. They stubbornly think these people are acting (somehow, they can't define it) in their interests, when they obviously aren't. It's frustrating.
mostly reader says
I don't know. Let me look up the Budapest memorandum...
https://web.archive.org/web/20140317182201/http://www.cfr.org/arms-control-disarmament-and-nonproliferation/budapest-memorandums-security-assurances-1994/p32484?source=patrick.net
The United States is in violation of 1) when they conspired to overthrow Yanukovych in 2014 in a coup under the guise of a revolution
I'll have to read the Nuclear Non Proliferation treaty to give you a full answer, but the United States already violated the Budapest memorandum. They should have upheld it.
> richwicks
Since you and morality don't mix well
I've just come to accept morality has nothing to do with it, because it doesn't. In evolutionary psychology, morality is derived from long term survival, or that's the hypothesis. Since people won't deal with the morality abstraction, I concentrate on long term self interest, but people just entrust their long term survival to people like Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Mitt Romney, Barack Obama, George W. Bush and other obvious garbage. They stubbornly think these people are acting (somehow, they can't define it) in their interests, when they obviously aren't. It's frustrating.
mostly reader says
Let's just focus on the technical part. Are you saying that US should go back on the pledge that it made in Budapest memorandum?
I don't know. Let me look up the Budapest memorandum...
https://web.archive.org/web/20140317182201/http://www.cfr.org/arms-control-disarmament-and-nonproliferation/budapest-memorandums-security-assurances-1994/p32484?source=patrick.net
The United States is in violation of 1) when they conspired to overthrow Yanukovych in 2014 in a coup under the guise of a revolution
I'll have to read the Nuclear Non Proliferation treaty to give you a full answer, but the United States already violated the Budapest memorandum. They should have upheld it.
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Onvacation
2022 Mar 24, 5:49am
Onvacation
2022 Mar 24, 5:49am
socal2 says
I'm not. Why don't you just donate to Ukraine's GoFundMe instead of volunteering everyone's money.
How about we spend some money to investigate the corruption that led to the POTUSes son getting paid to work on Ukrainian energy board and why we have bio labs in foreign countries?
I am more than happy to have my tax dollars spent on weapons to bleed Putin and Russia's military dry
I'm not. Why don't you just donate to Ukraine's GoFundMe instead of volunteering everyone's money.
How about we spend some money to investigate the corruption that led to the POTUSes son getting paid to work on Ukrainian energy board and why we have bio labs in foreign countries?
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Onvacation
2022 Mar 24, 5:53am
Onvacation
2022 Mar 24, 5:53am
socal2 says
Some folks don't like being manipulated by propaganda.
I just don't get all of the over the top hate on Zelensky and Ukraine by some folks.
Some folks don't like being manipulated by propaganda.
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socal2
2022 Mar 24, 7:43am
Onvacation says
Yeah - It is tough to know what to believe.
Maybe if they can make up their mind and stick to one narrative it would be easier?
Is Zelensky a secret Jewish Nazi or is he a globalist homo that likes to dance in high heels?
Some folks don't like being manipulated by propaganda.
Yeah - It is tough to know what to believe.
Maybe if they can make up their mind and stick to one narrative it would be easier?
Is Zelensky a secret Jewish Nazi or is he a globalist homo that likes to dance in high heels?
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socal2
2022 Mar 24, 7:52am
Onvacation says
I think we can do all of the above.
If Conservatives are smart and don't go bat-shit crazy gobbling down Putin's propaganda calling Zelensky and Ukrainian homo Nazis and denying all of the evidence we see of a stalled Russian military campaign with burning Russian naval ships and tanks, we'd be able to use Ukraine to hammer Leftists on:
- Energy independence
- Biden/Clinton corruption in Ukraine
- Biden and Harris' total weakness in world affairs
- Importance of election security
- Secure borders
All the while watching Putin embarrass himself around the world for having a 3rd rate army.
Biden is getting no credit or bounce on Ukraine. But some on the Right are giving the Democrats and our garbage media a life-line with over the top rhetoric which they will use to hammer us in the midterms.
How about we spend some money to investigate the corruption that led to the POTUSes son getting paid to work on Ukrainian energy board and why we have bio labs in foreign countries?
I think we can do all of the above.
If Conservatives are smart and don't go bat-shit crazy gobbling down Putin's propaganda calling Zelensky and Ukrainian homo Nazis and denying all of the evidence we see of a stalled Russian military campaign with burning Russian naval ships and tanks, we'd be able to use Ukraine to hammer Leftists on:
- Energy independence
- Biden/Clinton corruption in Ukraine
- Biden and Harris' total weakness in world affairs
- Importance of election security
- Secure borders
All the while watching Putin embarrass himself around the world for having a 3rd rate army.
Biden is getting no credit or bounce on Ukraine. But some on the Right are giving the Democrats and our garbage media a life-line with over the top rhetoric which they will use to hammer us in the midterms.
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Minime
2022 Mar 24, 8:00am
Eric Holder says
Im from Ukraine and have relatives and friends in there. I can tell you that most people dont give a shit who rules them. All they want is prosperity and peace. This is not war for freedom or against natzis. Its war between clans on who controls country. There was not much difference between Zelensky and Poroshenko clans. They all corrupt as hell.
Putin is idiot for starting invasion. Zelensky is idiot for provoking and not calming down situation. None of this would happen if they both really cared about ppl.
richwicks saysChauvinsKnee saysrichwicks saysI think Ukraine has no hope in this war, and should have never fought it, they should immediately surrender.
Not everybody is a cuck.
@ChauvinsKnee People like you are so full of shit.
Ukraine is accepting volunteers to fight. I'll buy you a plane ticket if you like, but I see you off at the gate.
You mother fuckers just love war, until you have to fight it. Fucking warmongering chickenhawks. The US has been at 20 years of war, what good has any of the wars been for this nation, or the people of this nation? But you braying asses keep clamoring for it, as if it shows some bravery to do it.
It's pretty clear that Ukrainians do not share your ideas...
Im from Ukraine and have relatives and friends in there. I can tell you that most people dont give a shit who rules them. All they want is prosperity and peace. This is not war for freedom or against natzis. Its war between clans on who controls country. There was not much difference between Zelensky and Poroshenko clans. They all corrupt as hell.
Putin is idiot for starting invasion. Zelensky is idiot for provoking and not calming down situation. None of this would happen if they both really cared about ppl.
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Eric Holder
2022 Mar 24, 8:38am
Eric Holder
2022 Mar 24, 8:38am
Minime says
According to my colleagues in Ukraine this is the type of people they call "wata" ("cotton"?) there. =)) Nobody said these types don't exist - they do, but it was great miscalculation by Putin to assume they are in the majority. Apparently they are not.
It's OK, we had fucking loyalists during American Revolutionary War too.
PS. And how's that "prosperity and peace" going on for the Putin's subjects?
Im from Ukraine and have relatives and friends in there. I can tell you that most people dont give a shit who rules them. All they want is prosperity and peace.
According to my colleagues in Ukraine this is the type of people they call "wata" ("cotton"?) there. =)) Nobody said these types don't exist - they do, but it was great miscalculation by Putin to assume they are in the majority. Apparently they are not.
It's OK, we had fucking loyalists during American Revolutionary War too.
PS. And how's that "prosperity and peace" going on for the Putin's subjects?
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mostly reader
2022 Mar 24, 8:47am
Eric Holder says
And how's that "prosperity and peace" going on for the Putin's subjects"subjects" is the exactly correct term.
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Minime
2022 Mar 24, 9:21am
Eric Holder says
There are wars worth fighting for and then there are wars for power. If you cant tell difference between those then you either young or full of shit. This war sold to young generation as for freedom. If you talk to real ppl there majority dont care.
As for peace and prosperity im talking about ppl in Ukraine. Russia will suffer greatly too as i have friends there.
Growup. There is no black and white in life
Minime saysIm from Ukraine and have relatives and friends in there. I can tell you that most people dont give a shit who rules them. All they want is prosperity and peace.
According to my colleagues in Ukraine this is the type of people they call "wata" ("cotton"?) there. =)) Nobody said these types don't exist - they do, but it was great miscalculation by Putin to assume they are in the majority. Apparently they are not.
It's OK, we had fucking loyalists during American Revolutionary War too.
PS. And how's that "prosperity and peace" going on for the Putin's subjects?
There are wars worth fighting for and then there are wars for power. If you cant tell difference between those then you either young or full of shit. This war sold to young generation as for freedom. If you talk to real ppl there majority dont care.
As for peace and prosperity im talking about ppl in Ukraine. Russia will suffer greatly too as i have friends there.
Growup. There is no black and white in life
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mostly reader
2022 Mar 24, 10:38am
Minime says
There are collaborators, and there's wata, but by large Russians are now HATED WITH PASSION everywhere in Ukraine except the Donetsk/Lugansk areas. That's a big problem for Putin: even if he wins, which is now very doubtful, his puppet government won't survive more than a week. And when I say "survive" I mean it in the most basic, physical sense.
If you talk to real ppl there majority dont care.If you said that most people didn't care until Feb. 23, I'd confirm. But that's not what you are doing, you are saying that nobody cares today. That is a lie.
There are collaborators, and there's wata, but by large Russians are now HATED WITH PASSION everywhere in Ukraine except the Donetsk/Lugansk areas. That's a big problem for Putin: even if he wins, which is now very doubtful, his puppet government won't survive more than a week. And when I say "survive" I mean it in the most basic, physical sense.
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Minime
2022 Mar 24, 10:51am
Im with you on Putin. This criminal and his olugarchs need to be removed.
On fighting i dont know anyone of my contacts there who wants to fight. Name me one good reason why you would risk your life there. And dont use general words like freedom or my country. They been abused by governments. All i know that things didnt change much between last 4 governments from regular Joe point of view. Its stil corrupt and people are poor as fuck.
On fighting i dont know anyone of my contacts there who wants to fight. Name me one good reason why you would risk your life there. And dont use general words like freedom or my country. They been abused by governments. All i know that things didnt change much between last 4 governments from regular Joe point of view. Its stil corrupt and people are poor as fuck.
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mostly reader
2022 Mar 24, 11:10am
Minime says
Because, see, it's clear that there's no shortage of fighters there. It's also clear that your contacts are not them. This is just to profile them more accurately.
Minime says
You are asking a wrong person because I'm not there. You should ask those on the front line. Or those getting ready to greet the "liberators" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlWKrxLBsss&source=patrick.net Or those who lost their loved ones. Or even women who are safe in Poland but lost their homes. Although in either case I suggest that you do it remotely, to avoid bodily harm.
On fighting i dont know anyone of my contacts there who wants to fight.In what sense? "I've been drafted but I don't want to fight" or "I'm on sidelines and don't want to get involved" ? Just so I understand the profile of the people to which you refer.
Because, see, it's clear that there's no shortage of fighters there. It's also clear that your contacts are not them. This is just to profile them more accurately.
Minime says
Name me one good reason why you would risk your life there.
You are asking a wrong person because I'm not there. You should ask those on the front line. Or those getting ready to greet the "liberators" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlWKrxLBsss&source=patrick.net Or those who lost their loved ones. Or even women who are safe in Poland but lost their homes. Although in either case I suggest that you do it remotely, to avoid bodily harm.
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socal2
2022 Mar 24, 11:19am
Minime says
Isn't it a basic human emotion to want to defend your family and country when an aggressor nation invades and kills a bunch of people?
The US was constantly told that killing Jihadis in Afghanistan and Iraq would radicalize moderate Muslims to hate America if they accidentally killed a family member or damaged property.
Wars have way of uniting and defining a nation. Ukraine's story and history is being written now.
On fighting i dont know anyone of my contacts there who wants to fight. Name me one good reason why you would risk your life there.
Isn't it a basic human emotion to want to defend your family and country when an aggressor nation invades and kills a bunch of people?
The US was constantly told that killing Jihadis in Afghanistan and Iraq would radicalize moderate Muslims to hate America if they accidentally killed a family member or damaged property.
Wars have way of uniting and defining a nation. Ukraine's story and history is being written now.
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richwicks
2022 Mar 24, 3:49pm
richwicks
2022 Mar 24, 3:49pm
Onvacation says
Yeah, they can pay for it since they are impoverishing Ukraine. A mafia runs Ukraine, and it's OUR mafia that is running it. Ukrainians are just caught up in the middle and they are every bit as brainwashed as most Americans are.
socal2 saysI am more than happy to have my tax dollars spent on weapons to bleed Putin and Russia's military dry
I'm not. Why don't you just donate to Ukraine's GoFundMe instead of volunteering everyone's money.
How about we spend some money to investigate the corruption that led to the POTUSes son getting paid to work on Ukrainian energy board and why we have bio labs in foreign countries?
Yeah, they can pay for it since they are impoverishing Ukraine. A mafia runs Ukraine, and it's OUR mafia that is running it. Ukrainians are just caught up in the middle and they are every bit as brainwashed as most Americans are.
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richwicks
2022 Mar 24, 3:57pm
richwicks
2022 Mar 24, 3:57pm
socal2 says
Not really. Whatever our government is promoting is the wrong thing to support. That's pretty much been the rule for 20 years.
Were they right about any of the wars?
Were they right about bailing out the criminals on wall street in 2007 and 2008 instead of prosecuting them?
Were they right about passing the ACA that only made it illegal not to carry health insurance, and imposed a $2,000 fine on those that couldn't afford it?
Were they right about LGBTQ+ advocacy?
Were they right to overthrow Ukraine?
Were they right about abortion - up to the day of birth?
Were they right about sars-cov2-19 being a pandemic?
Were they right about the vaccines?
Were they right about Russian Collusion?
Oh, but they're right Ukraine..
Nah, doubt it.
They have a 100% track record of failure.
Onvacation saysSome folks don't like being manipulated by propaganda.
Yeah - It is tough to know what to believe.
Not really. Whatever our government is promoting is the wrong thing to support. That's pretty much been the rule for 20 years.
Were they right about any of the wars?
Were they right about bailing out the criminals on wall street in 2007 and 2008 instead of prosecuting them?
Were they right about passing the ACA that only made it illegal not to carry health insurance, and imposed a $2,000 fine on those that couldn't afford it?
Were they right about LGBTQ+ advocacy?
Were they right to overthrow Ukraine?
Were they right about abortion - up to the day of birth?
Were they right about sars-cov2-19 being a pandemic?
Were they right about the vaccines?
Were they right about Russian Collusion?
Oh, but they're right Ukraine..
Nah, doubt it.
They have a 100% track record of failure.
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Onvacation
2022 Mar 24, 4:07pm
Onvacation
2022 Mar 24, 4:07pm
socal2 says
Probably just an actor hired by the deep state.
Is Zelensky a secret Jewish Nazi or is he a globalist homo that likes to dance in high heels?
Probably just an actor hired by the deep state.
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Ceffer
2022 Mar 24, 4:11pm
Ceffer
2022 Mar 24, 4:11pm
Zelensky is probably a masochist who likes to be ass shlonged by Nazis after being painted all over in swastikas.
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AmericanKulak
2022 Mar 24, 5:53pm
AmericanKulak
2022 Mar 24, 5:53pm
socal2 says
Americans were also told by the Media and the Government that Jihad was only an internal mental struggle (tell this to the Vandals, Byzantines, Sicilians, Hindus...) and that it was absolutely unacceptable to have any anti-Muslim prejudice whatsoever.
Weeks ago, Facebook lifted their ban on Azov Battalion and allowed generic "Kill Russians" to be posted.
The US was constantly told that killing Jihadis in Afghanistan and Iraq would radicalize moderate Muslims to hate America if they accidentally killed a family member or damaged property.
Americans were also told by the Media and the Government that Jihad was only an internal mental struggle (tell this to the Vandals, Byzantines, Sicilians, Hindus...) and that it was absolutely unacceptable to have any anti-Muslim prejudice whatsoever.
Weeks ago, Facebook lifted their ban on Azov Battalion and allowed generic "Kill Russians" to be posted.
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RWSGFY
2022 Mar 24, 6:10pm
RWSGFY
2022 Mar 24, 6:10pm
Aerial liberator moved underground:
https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1507113011328266253?source=patrick.net
https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1507113011328266253?source=patrick.net
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mostly reader
2022 Mar 24, 7:21pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZxw02x0rvw&source=patrick.net - a landing ship destroyed. The cargo was estimated at about 20 tanks and 40 armored personnel carriers, plus 400 Russian marines.
There's something very special about this one. TV channel of the Russian Ministry of Defense "Zvezda" ("The Star") has announced that the ship entered the port of Berdyansk. The greeting from Ukrainians followed shortly after. "Zvezda" was highly commended by the Ukrainian military. Good job, "Zvezda"!
There's something very special about this one. TV channel of the Russian Ministry of Defense "Zvezda" ("The Star") has announced that the ship entered the port of Berdyansk. The greeting from Ukrainians followed shortly after. "Zvezda" was highly commended by the Ukrainian military. Good job, "Zvezda"!
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AmericanKulak
2022 Mar 24, 8:12pm
AmericanKulak
2022 Mar 24, 8:12pm
mostly reader says
48 hour rule applies.
Could simply be a gas explosion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRdEioaXWC0&source=patrick.net
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZxw02x0rvw&source=patrick.net - a landing ship destroyed. The cargo was estimated at about 20 tanks and 40 armored personnel carriers, plus 400 Russian marines.
There's something very special about this one. TV channel of the Russian Ministry of Defense "Zvezda" ("The Star") has announced that the ship entered the port of Berdyansk. The greeting from Ukrainians followed shortly after. "Zvezda" was highly commended by the Ukrainian military. Good job, "Zvezda"!
48 hour rule applies.
Could simply be a gas explosion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRdEioaXWC0&source=patrick.net
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AmericanKulak
2022 Mar 24, 8:17pm
AmericanKulak
2022 Mar 24, 8:17pm
Also, just a pre-warning about any Phosphorous BS. White Phosphorous is legal and was used by the US in Vietnam, Iraq, etc. for decades.
Mosul 2017 and Falluja, 2004:
https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/06/13/532809626/u-s-led-coalition-has-used-white-phosphorous-in-fight-for-mosul-general-says?source=patrick.net
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/iraq.usa
Some smoke and illumination munitions have a Phosphorous ignition system, or contain some Phosphorous, which is also not a chemical weapon. It looks like a little cloud with "fingers" extending down from it.
Mosul 2017 and Falluja, 2004:
https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/06/13/532809626/u-s-led-coalition-has-used-white-phosphorous-in-fight-for-mosul-general-says?source=patrick.net
US forces yesterday made their clearest admission yet that white phosphorus was used as a weapon against insurgents in Iraq. A Pentagon spokesman told the BBC last night that it had been used as "an incendiary weapon" during the assault last year on Falluja in 2004.
Lieutenant Colonel Barry Venable said the substance, which can be used to lay smokescreens but burns down to the bone in contact with skin, was not covered by international conventions on chemical weapons.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/iraq.usa
Some smoke and illumination munitions have a Phosphorous ignition system, or contain some Phosphorous, which is also not a chemical weapon. It looks like a little cloud with "fingers" extending down from it.
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mostly reader
2022 Mar 24, 8:48pm
AmericanKulak says
48 hour rule applies.You are not paying attention. I just gave you a lot more details than your media sources do.
Could simply be a gas explosion.
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AmericanKulak
2022 Mar 25, 12:23am
AmericanKulak
2022 Mar 25, 12:23am
mostly reader says
You mean some non-English Youtube Channel most people never heard of has a video on it.
"Ukraine reported" is a huge red flag. We'll see. They could have left explosives there or a thousand other things. Don't know where the missile big enough (an ATGM wouldn't do that) would have come from since the place is occupied for many miles around, but who knows. We'll see.
One thing I've learned is to let days go between easily disprovable claims, and a few months to a year go by for the biggies. Like Mask Efficacy, Vaccine Dangers, Hotel Bed Pee-Pee Allegations, Laptops full of Crack and LLC Money transfers from China are Russian Disinfo, etc.
You are not paying attention. I just gave you a lot more details than your media sources do.
You mean some non-English Youtube Channel most people never heard of has a video on it.
"Ukraine reported" is a huge red flag. We'll see. They could have left explosives there or a thousand other things. Don't know where the missile big enough (an ATGM wouldn't do that) would have come from since the place is occupied for many miles around, but who knows. We'll see.
One thing I've learned is to let days go between easily disprovable claims, and a few months to a year go by for the biggies. Like Mask Efficacy, Vaccine Dangers, Hotel Bed Pee-Pee Allegations, Laptops full of Crack and LLC Money transfers from China are Russian Disinfo, etc.
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Ceffer
2022 Mar 25, 12:55am
Ceffer
2022 Mar 25, 12:55am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHm7pu7Unu0&source=patrick.net
Weird. Clothes hang different, loose not fitted as always with Biden. Bottom teeth completely different. Do they even care about consistency any more?
Weird. Clothes hang different, loose not fitted as always with Biden. Bottom teeth completely different. Do they even care about consistency any more?
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