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mostly reader says

richwicks says

Here, you see this?

No, I don't. I see more red herring.

You didn't see my reply?

You literally asked:

mostly reader says

Have you accepted that Rashists propaganda invents facts and runs with it?

I replied with:

richwicks says

mostly reader says

P.S. Hey, before I forget - have you accepted that Rashists just invent propaganda points and then run with them?

EVERYBODY uses propaganda.

And you wonder why I write this:

richwicks says

Either you can't reason, or you are a troll. We are at an impasse. I can't see any reason to engage with talking to somebody who thinks they are being reasonable and to me, seems obviously unreasonable.

Why should I bother? Talking to you is just agonizing. But please, continue with stuff like this:

mostly reader says

The "WHY" bit makes the spanking proper.

In all the time I've wasted talking to you, I consider it now a complete waste of time. Talking to a wall is not pleasant and talking to somebody that simply constantly argues with you, isn't either.

richwicks says

EVERYBODY uses propaganda.

My POINT was that Rashists use propaganda on a different level and they don't even care about facts. They just manufacture them. On MAJOR topics. Such as topics which confirm their role in the Ukrainian conflict and demonstrate that this conflict is a result of hybrid war that Rashists led for years. It's well documented.

Your response is a non-response. It's more wiggling.

Let's try again: 1) Have you accepted that Rashists propaganda invents facts and runs with it? Yes or no? 2) YOU asked me for examples. Why? You didn't know?

You are incapable of facing the obvious because it destroys the worldview which you are pushing here.

mostly reader says

My POINT

Refer to this again:

richwicks says

What's the point in talking to you? There is no point.

or this:

richwicks says

In all the time I've wasted talking to you, I consider it now a complete waste of time. Talking to a wall is not pleasant and talking to somebody that simply constantly argues with you, isn't either.

or this:

richwicks says

"Your" thinking isn't worth considering. To be blunt I have absolutely no respect for you or your thinking.

richwicks says

To be blunt I have absolutely no respect for you or your thinking.

I must be doing something right then. Being respected by a lunatic would've been a cause for concern.

Repeat after me: "I accept that Rashists propaganda manufactures facts on major events". Do it 10 times each morning.

mostly reader says

I must be doing something right then. Being respected by a lunatic would've been a cause for concern.

You show no capacity to think. Let me explain something that OUGHT to be obvious to you, but apparently isn't.

Authority and legitimacy of a government is granted to it by trust in the government and authority. If they have to continually lie, and they do, they may not be legitimate. If everything you hear in "news" is false, you have illegitimate authority that maintains its authority exclusively through deception, not honesty.

This is why I'm interested EXCLUSIVELY in US propaganda and misinformation tactics.

mostly reader says

Repeat after me: "I accept that Rashists propaganda manufactures facts on major events". Do it 10 times each morning.

I've already told you 3 times that OF COURSE everybody uses propaganda.

Propaganda doesn't necessarily have to be false. Propaganda is spreading ideas (true or false) by bypassing their reasoning process - that doesn't mean you are deceiving them. It means you're not bothering to tell them the reasoning process to attain the conclusion.

I'm interested in the legitimacy of this nation. I don't care about Russia's legitimacy, they aren't my problem - that's a problem for Russians. I don't care if they lie.

You think I do. What does it matter what the Russians say about a foreign war? What matters is - what is my government using this war to do, and what are they lying about and to what end?

The US government obviously doesn't care about civilians deaths, the US kills civilians all the time, but then it's "collateral damage" - they just change the terms. The US government doesn't care about accuracy in the media, they care about pushing a narrative. The reason gasoline is at an all time high doesn't have anything to do with Russia, but the Biden administration is falsely claiming that.

It's been pointed out that the beneficiaries of this war will be the United States and China. It makes Russia entirely dependent on just China and India for energy sales (or will in time), and it cripples Europe, but who has been bombing the Middle East for 20 years and to what end? The US is magnanimously offering to sell "freedom gas", in the form of LNG at a significantly higher price of course - ports are going to have to be refitted to handle this, there's money in that as well. Norway will be a beneficiary - England may be as well since they have stakes in the energy production of the Middle East. The US is still targeting Iran, if if LNG is short next year in Europe, well, we'll be bombing Iran in short order I expect just like we were bombing Syria.

Your thinking, the trivial amount you do, is irrelevant. Doesn't matter who wins this war from the point of view of the United States - but if the US divorces Russian / European energy dependence, that's a HUGE win. Under the guise of a pandemic, we have reduced our energy consumption, and its been said by multiple politicians that "this is the new normal". For all I know, Putin is in league with the United States. India will have increasing dependence on Russian energy, and Europe will have increasing dependence on the United States and the UK.

https://archive.org/details/RebuildingAmericasDefenses?source=patrick.net

Not that you're going to read it anyhow.

I don't care about Ukrainian Nazis, Russian Nazis, or any of that bullshit. I'm interested in why there are US biological weapons labs there, why the US overthrew Ukraine, what the actions will lead to. I didn't think it would really cause war, but here it is. So what's the purpose of the war for the Americans? It's not to help regular Americans. It's to help the oligarchy at the expense of regular Americans.

To understand what is going on, you have to think like a sociopath, because that's how our sociopathic leaders think. It's your only opportunity to counteract them.

Anyhow, sick of talking to you.

This thinking stuff is too hard.

The Economist Told Me, So Must Be True. All Good Thinking People get their Opinions From Approved Sources, no matter how they contradict what is known. Like COVID Masking helping slow the spread, at least a little because Controlled Lab Experiments trump almost every Public Health Survey on Mask Wearing during Respiratory Disease Outbreaks. And all empirical, real world data on COVID cases and deaths between regions/countries with varying rules.

richwicks says

I've already told you 3 times that OF COURSE everybody uses propaganda.

And each time you've been told that "using propaganda" wasn't the question at hand. Or else, why DID you pressure me to produce examples of something that you now claim is obvious? Even your complete lack of coherency doesn't explain it.

But you doing a switcheroo does. Snake on the frying pan style. You attempt to switch from topic A - "Rashists blatantly manufacturing info and pushing it onto the world." (for which you demanded examples) To topic B - "oh, everyone is using propaganda, how silly of you not to know".

You asked me for examples of A, which you are now attempting to transform to B. Your bullshit is so cute.

So, repeat after me: "I accept that Rashists propaganda manufactures facts on major events". Do it 10 times each morning.

https://youtu.be/GEIFwLKlq1Q?source=patrick.net

Kim Iversen talks about an article written by a French general who has made a career in NATO helping the Ukraine. Apparently he says that this all started because Ukraine incorporated the Nazi militias into their army and turned them loose on the Russian speaking separatists of the Donbas region. In February these brutal battalions began shelling cities and towns in Donbas to wipe them out. Russia then had a choice: watch as their people get genocided by literal Nazis, or intervene. Of course Biden made it worse because his intelligence agencies knew the choice Russia had in front of them and called their choice for war ahead of time. It was an easy call. Imagine how we would feel if say, California seceded and then a bunch of California Nazis began doing ethnic cleansing in San Bernadino. Should we intervene or let it happen?

AmericanKulak says

All Good Thinking People get their Opinions From Approved Sources

Also known as "argument by status".

The higher status source is assumed correct even when it obviously is not.

Shaman says

In February these brutal battalions began shelling cities and towns in Donbas to wipe them out.

February. That's when Rashists army amassed at the Ukrainian border.

That should be enough to stop reading.

https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/where-is-gonzalo-lira-and-how-is?s=r&source=patrick.net

Where is Gonzalo Lira? And how is it okay that he's been missing for five days?
"Our free press" hates dissidents as much as Ukraine's Nazis do

Onvacation says

Trump was impeached because he questioned why Biden extorted the Ukrainian government. Why?

Actually Trump was impeached because he wasn’t part of the globalists club, either that or it was just a circus to distract us while they implemented the Covid craze.

mostly reader says

So, repeat after me: "I accept that Rashists propaganda manufactures facts on major events". Do it 10 times each morning.

Four times isn't enough?

PeopleUnited says

Actually Trump was impeached because he wasn’t part of the globalists club,

Agreed. I was just repeating the bogus official reason.

The traitor and famous pro-Russian pundit Valery Kuleshov was killed this morning.

He was a candidate to become the new head of the occupation police in Kherson.

A number of unknown assailants shot him dead just after he left his apartment.

Collaboration can be costly.

https://mobile.twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1516796965257945088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&source=patrick.net

Patrick says

Unless your windows don't open at all this is how you make sure they don't break from explosions: unlock them and put several 3-5L plastic bottles on the ledge to act as a brake. This way the window will be able to open to releave the difference in pressure but won't open so violently as to break the glass from impact at the end of the swing because it will spend all that energy pushing away thse water bottles.

Obviously won't work for sliding windows and windows opening outwards but these are rare in Eastern Europe.

Patrick says

https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/where-is-gonzalo-lira-and-how-is?s=r&source=patrick.net

Where is Gonzalo Lira? And how is it okay that he's been missing for five days?
"Our free press" hates dissidents as much as Ukraine's Nazis do

Another article about his disappearance:

https://thegoodcitizen.substack.com/p/what-happened-to-gonzalo-lira?s=r&source=patrick.net

I hope he's OK.

Maybe he's not dead:

Patrick says

Maybe he's not dead:

Pretty trivial for anybody to write some text and plaster his face on it. If he was murdered, it makes Ukraine look bad.

Can't a liberator take a shit in peace anymore?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1517283045702836224?source=patrick.net

Patrick says

Patrick says

https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/where-is-gonzalo-lira-and-how-is?s=r&source=patrick.net

Where is Gonzalo Lira? And how is it okay that he's been missing for five days?
"Our free press" hates dissidents as much as Ukraine's Nazis do

Another article about his disappearance:

https://thegoodcitizen.substack.com/p/what-happened-to-gonzalo-lira?s=r&source=patrick.net

I hope he's OK.

Of course the fake fuck is OK. He's a cheap attention-seeking whore - that's all. Once the novelty of "OMG I'm in Kharkiv and it's not what they make you believe it is" has wore off he had to up the ante and go for "kidnapping". Has he ever proven he really was in Kharkiv anyway? Or even in Ukraine?

RWSGFY says

Of course the fake fuck is OK. He's a cheap attention-seeking whore - that's all. Once the novelty of "OMG I'm in Kharkiv and it's not what they make you believe it is" has wore off he had to up the ante and go for "kidnapping".

Yes, our government is so credible, and anything that counteracts what they say must be false. That's why we need censorship that this country hasn't seen since the Civil War which we didn't fight over slavery, but rather to assert economic power since the South was wealthier than the North.

RWSGFY says

Has he ever proven he really was in Kharkiv anyway? Or even in Ukraine?

Yes, SEVERAL times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pGZ7Gy7DBE&source=patrick.net

Make certain to mask up and take your safe and effective vaccine - it's going to be a winter of death for the unvaccinated. Remember Russia hacked our election, and Trump is a Putin Puppet. Don't forget that Assad is gassing his own people, that Qaddafi was about to cause a humanitarian crisis and the US stopped it by having him killed. Don't forget that the we can't wait for the final proof to come in the form of a mushroom cloud.

Also, the Hunter Biden laptop is classic Russian disinformation, 50 intelligence officers said so..

Why do you continue to think these assholes EVER tell the truth?

richwicks says

RWSGFY says

Of course the fake fuck is OK. He's a cheap attention-seeking whore - that's all. Once the novelty of "OMG I'm in Kharkiv and it's not what they make you believe it is" has wore off he had to up the ante and go for "kidnapping".

Yes, our government is so credible, and anything that counteracts what they say must be false. That's why we need censorship that this country hasn't seen since the Civil War which we didn't fight over slavery, but rather to assert economic power since the South was wealthier than the North.

RWSGFY says

Has he ever proven he really was in Kharkiv anyway? Or even in Ukraine?

Yes, SEVERAL times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pGZ7Gy7DBE&so...=&source=patrick.net

It says Lviv on the shop's banner, not Kharkiv.

And what's with all the destruction? Didn't the fuck say the war was "not real"? Or was it our own Nutty Boxer?

RWSGFY says

It says Lviv on the shop's banner, not Kharkiv.

You asked if he was even in Ukraine.

RWSGFY says

And what's with all the destruction? Didn't the fuck say the war was "not real"?

I don't know what he said.

I get tired of trying to talk with you, all you do is relentlessly argue. You're a mindless cheerleader for a side in this stupid conflict that should have never happened in the first place, and had an easy resolution. The puppets of Ukraine don't want a resolution, they want war and they have it. The enemy isn't foreign, it's domestic.

Flying tank: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z7G8RKJBH1w&source=patrick.net

Over 20,000 dead or missing Russian soldiers according to this pro-Kremlin news site?
https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1517387374115926017?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1517387374115926017%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fhotair.com%2Fallahpundit%2F2022%2F04%2F22%2Fwhats-up-with-putin-gripping-the-table-in-that-new-video-n464244&source=patrick.net

Why is Putin grabbing the table like that? Suppressing pain? Suppressing tremors from Parkinson's? He is making Biden look healthy and vigorous!
https://twitter.com/TSJPhillips/status/1517217288814055425?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1517217288814055425%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fhotair.com%2Fallahpundit%2F2022%2F04%2F22%2Fwhats-up-with-putin-gripping-the-table-in-that-new-video-n464244&source=patrick.net

socal2 says

Why is Putin grabbing the table like that? Suppressing pain? Suppressing tremors from Parkinson's? He is making Biden look healthy and vigorous!

What I find odd is why would the Russian media show him looking unhealthy? Our media does everything they can to make Biden look as healthy and vigorous as possible. It was simple enough for the Russian media to zoom in, or for Putin to reposition himself so he looked more comfortable if he was in pain.

Strange that Russian media takes less pains to hide Putin's problems than the US media does.

I guess we'll find out. If Putin actually IS sick, I wonder why the United States didn't just wait for him to die? All they want is Russian regime change to a US friendly dictator, like Zelenskyy.

America will fight to the last Ukrainian!

Patrick says

America will fight to the last Ukrainian!

That's exactly it. They virtue signal like fuck and come up with stories of propaganda praise for them, but in reality they are sending them and a few howitzers to die.

mell says

That's exactly it. They virtue signal like fuck and come up with stories of propaganda praise for them, but in reality they are sending them and a few howitzers to die.

I suspect they still have not used more than 33% of the shoulder fired missiles (Stingers and Javelins). And look at how many Russian tanks and armored vehicles have been destroyed.

Recall a lot of arms like shoulder fired missiles and machine guns were shipped during the Trump administration and well before the Russian invasion.

ad says

mell says

That's exactly it. They virtue signal like fuck and come up with stories of propaganda praise for them, but in reality they are sending them and a few howitzers to die.

I suspect they still have not used more than 33% of the shoulder fired missiles (Stingers and Javelins). And look at how many Russian tanks and armored vehicles have been destroyed.

Recall a lot of arms like shoulder fired missiles and machine guns were shipped during the Trump administration and well before the Russian invasion.

I hope you're right but during Trump times there was no war. This is a different ball game. Sure Russia may not always have the best tactics amd ground weapons, but they do have nukes (hypersonic) and moreover they can drag this out as long as putin has support in his country. Do we want that many more to die and the Ukrainians possibly ground down in a long war, esp. after public interest fades, and fade it will, instead of going with some serious diplomacy?

How long wil this thing last on today's battlefield? Minutes? Seconds?

https://twitter.com/pmakela1/status/1499315592578404354?source=patrick.net

Is Russia still holding their "good stuff" back?

And WTF is this? A T-34?




UPD. Looks like a T-44.




So it's a 10 years NEWER design than T-34, nothing to see here, carry on!

mell says

they can drag this out as long as putin has support in his country

They can drag it as long as they have enough relatively modern weaponry. For example, out of 2000 working tanks they fielded before the war 1000 had been upgraded with French night vision (thank you, Macron!). Can they replace these 1000 tanks with ones they have in storage? Suuure, but these won't have night vision and, most probably, not even active armor. (See couple of posts above: T-62s and even T-44s are now showing up on the battlefield). Same goes for aircraft and helos: they have many of these in storage, but the number of properly modernized ones (again, thanks, Macron!) are much less not to mention the number of experienced pilots. Russian AF famously flies much less training hours than their American counterparts.

Can they fight a modern war by conscripting 1 million enthusiastic Ivans and arming them with Mosin rifles? Sure they can try - they are very smart after all. Can they win it? I doubt it. I'd even go so far as to argue that they can't conscript 1 million Ivans.

4 tanks taken out by one Ukrainian missile team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyrFB4pvx0s&source=patrick.net

Ukraine now has more tanks on the battlefield than Russia?

https://redstate.com/streiff/2022/04/25/ukraine-now-has-more-tanks-than-russia-and-things-look-worse-in-the-future-n555837?source=patrick.net

Donald J Trump:

“What’s happening is horrible. When you see rockets going into apartment buildings, and there are plenty of people in those buildings, you know, they think they’re, like the people moved out, they didn’t move, they wanted to stay because they think they’re safe in their apartments.”

socal2 says

Ukraine now has more tanks on the battlefield than Russia?

https://redstate.com/streiff/2022/04/25/ukraine-now-has-more-tanks-than-russia-and-things-look-worse-in-the-future-n555837?source=patrick.net

By way of scale, Russia entered the war with about 120 Battalion Tactical Groups (BTG)) representing approximately 75% of the Russian Army’s combat power as well as the cutting edge of that power.

Sooo, if 75% of Russian combat power is now stuck in Ukraine and "NATO has always planned to attack and occupy Mother Russia", wouldn't now be the perfect time? What takes them so long?

Eric Holder says

Sooo, if 75% of Russian combat power is now stuck in Ukraine and "NATO has always planned to attack and occupy Mother Russia", wouldn't now be the perfect time? What takes them so long?