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Continuing saga of Ukraine getting fooked.
This is the future. Proxy wars and we don't send troops in. We might have a carrier group nearby just in case. Lob tomahawks or airstrikes with little to no chance of casualties. Is it right? I don't know. But better than losing Americans.
Adveevka has fallen. How many Ukey lives were squandered on this defeat?And for what? Ukey women who fled to Eastern Europe are now popping out Hungarian, Slovak, Czech & Slovak babies. Ukeys are going extinct even before the Chinese and Russians will.Ukraine Is Fucked
And for what? Ukey women who fled to Eastern Europe are now popping out Hungarian, Slovak, Czech & Slovak babies. Ukeys are going extinct even before the Chinese and Russians will.
This is true, but if they're getting money and putting up a fight, they'll keep going.
WookieMan saysThis is true, but if they're getting money and putting up a fight, they'll keep going.No they won't. What point is there entering a fight that you're certain to lose you fucking psychopath? You jerk off to the though that 100's of thousands of people are dying for no reason at all?
Yes they will Rich. You clearly don't understand stubborn Eastern Europeans at all.
Both countries are losers and this will grind out for a decade at least.
They're across and Ocean with no capable Navy.
We have half a country of fucking free loaders and a massive border issues with shit heads coming into the country. If money goes to Ukraine, whatever.
They're going to keep fighting and shrink their border with Europe.
Reassessing American Aid After AvdiivkaAs the second anniversary of Russia's full-scale invasion of the country to its west nears and the latest aid package for Ukraine stalls in Congress, we must be clear-eyed about the future: there is no path for Ukraine to win this war. American support will not change this reality.No Path to Victory: Russia has the MomentumThe reality two years in is that there is no path to victory for Ukraine – not in the sense of pushing Russian troops back to the pre-February 2022 lines of control. After the Ukrainian troops abandoned Avdiivka – the most significant loss or gain by either side in nine months – following some of the war's heaviest fighting, almost all advantages accrue to Russia. The seizure of Avdiivka does not materially change the war, but it does change the momentum. Moscow can throw mass in terms of bodies, tanks, artillery, and drones at the exhausted Ukrainian forces until they crack. Ukraine is exhausted and outnumbered and struggling to recruit new troops. The best Ukraine can do now is fight Russia to a negotiated settlement that allows sovereignty, territorial integrity, and security from another Russian invasion. Even these provisions now seem unrealistic.After initial setbacks at the onset of the invasion, the Russian military now displays the resolute determination initially witnessed by the other side. Russian generals have adapted to Ukraine's offenses after initial setbacks. Russian commanders are now building the kinds of defenses in depth that Ukrainian forces struggle to fight through. Russian ground forces now routinely defeat Ukraine's drones. Russia's formidable arsenals of attack helicopters, drones, and mines pound Ukraine while the Ukrainian troops resort to rationing artillery shells and long-range rockets.In considering an aid package to Ukraine, DC policymakers and their constituents must assess how long the cash and weapons will continue to flow and toward what end. Getting to a favorable – or at least even – negotiated settlement will take more than a year of fighting. Putin has no incentive to stop fighting and every incentive to continue pushing and waiting for his adversaries to the west run out of troops and munitions, and policy makers in the U.S. run out of patience.None of this is fair to the people of Ukraine, who have placed their hopes of sovereignty on American commitment. It is, however, the tragic reality of the situation. The $60 billion aid package held up in Congress will not significantly change the future. This fight is a long haul that will require additional aid. The spigot will close at some point – perhaps soon – turning off aid and sealing Ukraine's fate.https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2024/02/21/ukraine_can_no_longer_win_1013260.html Translation: Ukraine Is Fucked
Andrey Morozov, a prominent pro-war Russian blogger, has reportedly died by suicide following outrage over a post in which he claimed that the Russian army lost 16,000 soldiers during the capture of the eastern Ukrainian city of Avdiivka.Morozov, who went by the pseudonym Murz on Telegram, was an ultra-nationalist commentator who fought alongside Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine in 2014 and participated in Russia’s full-scale invasion in 2022.On Sunday, Morozov wrote to his 120,000 followers on Telegram that Russia lost 16,000 personnel and 300 pieces of armour during its months-long capture of Avdiivka. The post drew heavy criticism from senior Russian propagandists, who accused the blogger of “slandering the Russian defence ministry”.In Morozov’s final messages on Tuesday morning, he announced his suicide and said he was pressured by his superiors to delete the post detailing the number of casualties in Avdiivka. Several people close to Morozov on Tuesday confirmed his death, with some saying that he had shot himself.Triggered in part by the rebellion by then-Wagner head Yevgeny Prigozhin, the Kremlin last year largely cracked down on voices such as Morozov, who once was part of a loud group of ultra-nationalist hawks who criticised Moscow over shortages of weapons and accused the Russian military leadership of hiding the true death toll among its forces.Russia hides its war losses and the true casualty toll from its invasion of Ukraine remains a secret, though western officials believe the war has cost the country more than 315,000 dead and injured troops.
4 months, 16K dead and 300 tanks lost is a cost of capturing a small town with pre-war population of 32K
New information emerging from relatives of dead and injured Ukrainian soldiers, plus reports from Russia’s ministry of defense, painted an even worse picture of the fall of Avdiivka than originally thought. For one thing, it looks like Ukraine waited to order its dying soldiers to withdraw until after most units lost cohesion and began to flee anyway. The withdrawal order was just political cover.And when the withdrawal order did come through, the remaining soldiers were ordered to abandon their injured fellows, creating a chance for the media to attempt to frame a narrative around Russian maltreatment of captured Ukrainians rather than the catastrophic failure of Ukrainian command.Zelensky, for his part, blamed the loss of the key fortress city on Republicans, for delaying his sweet, sweet American payola. In more bad news for Ukraine, its champion of democracy also issued a new declaration of martial law, which canceled next month’s presidential elections, and keeps the former comedian in undemocratic power through executive fiat until he says different.Apparently, just now is an inconvenient time for Zelensky to run for re-election. But he’s not a dictator like Putin. No, never. Criticizing Zelensky is like criticizing Democracy™ itself.
Where are you getting this information from? The same people that told you there was a weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq, that they were mobile weapons laps, that Hussein mailed out anthrax letters, that Hussein worked with binLaden, and that we couldn't wait for the final proof to come in the form a mushroom cloud, perhaps?
Nobody has ever threatened this nation, except the federal government.
The Russian military is no threat to Europe and won't be for at least a decade or so, especially if the Europeans give just a small rat's ass about improving their militaries by a small degree
Dude, you've beaten the horse dead on this topic
You bring it up in every comment and you sound like an idiot.
Get over Iraq
Nobody has ever threatened this nation, except the federal government.Fixed it.
Our criminal sociopathic government will
Let you spout off day, after day, after day about this shit. You do nothing but cry like a little baby here on Patnet. You don't do a thing. You ever meet with your House Rep? They're easily accessible.
You don't even know the people I'll see in the next 2 weeks.
House representatives have no power. They are puppets.
TL:DR. Your normal drivel.
Maybe you even think you're fighting it and if you're even attempting to you, you're being led down a false rabbit hole. Most people are.
You're not elected. You don't talk to your House Rep monthly or State house or Congress person. You're willfully ignorant and just continue to bitch here and do nothing about it.
Yet you want to appeal to them. You're delusional.
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