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Greeted like Liberators: Ukraine Invasion Thread


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2022 Feb 23, 8:30pm   433,805 views  4,204 comments

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1888   Bd6r   2022 Dec 24, 9:25am  

mell says

How many Americans are going to die because the money the US could have spent on border security and the fentanyl crisis instead went to this corrupt muppet.

Are you so naive to think that after war in Ukraine stops our illustrious political class will spend money wasted in Ukraine on border and fentanyl prevention? Or they will start another war, bail out banksters for the n-th time wit 10x more money they spend on Ukraine, or something similar?
1889   mell   2022 Dec 24, 9:39am  

Bd6r says

mell says


How many Americans are going to die because the money the US could have spent on border security and the fentanyl crisis instead went to this corrupt muppet.

Are you so naive to think that after war in Ukraine stops our illustrious political class will spend money wasted in Ukraine on border and fentanyl prevention? Or they will start another war, bail out banksters for the n-th time wit 10x more money they spend on Ukraine, or something similar?

Maybe, maybe not, but that doesn't mean we should impoverish the country sooner and faster, and risk a bigger and longer war in Europe. Diplomacy now is the way to go and has been for a while, not warmongering. Or this regime change bs
1890   Bd6r   2022 Dec 24, 9:42am  

mell says

Diplomacy now is the way to go and has been for a while

Ask Chechens how it worked out for them
1891   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Dec 24, 9:55am  

Bd6r says

mell says


Diplomacy now is the way to go and has been for a while

Ask Chechens how it worked out for them


only chechen i knew of blew up Boston… they don’t strike me as conversational types.
1892   richwicks   2022 Dec 24, 10:24am  

A bit of Russian propaganda from our friends at RT:


original link
1893   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Dec 24, 10:34am  

richwicks says

A bit of Russian propaganda from our friends at RT:


original link



wow thats heavy
1897   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Dec 27, 1:43pm  

i don’t like we guving money to their fucked up evil corrupt government. watched an interview with that marine who was there. its even more upsetting. because we are whst we support, and we support some very fucked up people.
1898   RWSGFY   2022 Dec 27, 6:33pm  

BTW, whatever happened to all those NATO troops and NATO generals that were trapped in the factory in Mariupol?

Ceffer?
1899   AmericanKulak   2022 Dec 27, 10:31pm  

Off topic, but notice how fast Croatia got NATO and EU membership, and how all the Croat Yugoslav War Criminals are always hiding out in Spain, the evidence is always destroyed, and the Hague Court bends over backwards to help their defense.
1900   Bd6r   2022 Dec 27, 10:58pm  

AmericanKulak says

Off topic, but notice how fast Croatia got NATO and EU membership

German payoff for "help" in WW2 or perhaps nostalgy for Austro Hungarian Empire in many Central European countries.
1901   Onvacation   2022 Dec 28, 6:06am  





Great summary! But you left off the puppet strings.
1904   Patrick   2022 Dec 30, 8:29pm  

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/forecast-2023-get-out-of-the-way-if-you-cant-lend-a-hand/


In 2011, relations between the US and Russia soured when President Putin accused the US of fomenting protests in Russia over its parliamentary elections. And from there, our State Department decided that Russia and the USA could not even pretend to be friendly.

Jump ahead to 2014: Neocons in the Obama administration figured it was time to cut Russia back down to size. That effort crystalized around the former Soviet province, Ukraine, and blossomed into the US-sponsored-and-organized Maidan Revolution, utilizing Ukraine’s sizeable Stepan Bandara legacy Nazi forces in the vanguard, to foment violence in Kiev’s main city square. The US shoved out elected Ukraine President Yanukovych — who angered America by pledging to join Russia’s Custom’s Union instead of the EU — and installed its own puppet Yatsenyuk, who was ultimately replaced by the candy tycoon, Poroshenko, replaced by the Ukrainian TV star, comedian Volodymyr Zelensky. Ha Ha. Who’s laughing now? (Nobody.)

From 2014-on, Ukraine, with America’s backing, did everything possible to antagonize Russia, especially showering the eastern provinces of Ukraine, called the Donbas, with artillery, rockets, and bombs to harass the Russia-leaning population there. After eight years of that, and continued American insults (the Steele Dossier, 2016 election interference), and renewed threats to drag Ukraine into NATO, Mr. Putin had enough and launched his “Special Military Operation” to discipline Ukraine. Once that started, American Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin stated explicitly to the world that America’s general policy now was to “weaken Russia.”

That was accompanied by America’s policy to isolate Russia economically with ever more sanctions. Didn’t work. Russia just turned eastward to the enormous Asian market for its oil and gas and utilized an alternate electronic trade-clearance system to replace America’s SWIFT system. Sanctions also gave Russia a reason to aggressively pursue an import-replacement economic strategy — manufacturing stuff that they had been buying from the West, for instance, German machine tools critical for industry.

Russia did sacrifice more than $50-billion in financial assets stranded in the US banking system — we just confiscated it — but, ultimately, that only harmed the US banking system’s reputation as a safe place to park money, and made foreign investors much more wary of stashing capital in American banks. Net effect: the value of the ruble increased and stabilized and Russia found new ways to neutralize American economic bullying.

Europe was the big loser in all that. For a while, Europe could pretend to go along with the US / NATO project, pouring arms and money into Ukraine, and at the same time depend on Russian oil and gas imports. Eight months into the conflict, the US blew up the Nord Stream One and Two pipelines, and that was the end of Europe’s supply of affordable natgas, to heat homes and power industry. In a sane world, that would have been considered an act of war against Germany by the USA. But it only revealed the secret, humiliating state of vassalage that Europe was in. Europe had already made itself ridiculous buying into the hysteria over climate change and attempting to tailor its energy use to so-called “renewables” in history’s biggest virtue-signaling exercise. Germany, the engine of the EU’s economy, made one dumb mistake after another. It invested heavily in wind and solar installations, which fell so short of adequacy they were a joke, and it closed down its nuke-powered electric generation plants so as to appear ecologically correct.

So now, Germany, and many other EU member states, teeter on the edge of leaving Modernity behind. They managed to scramble and fill their gas reserves sufficiently this fall to perhaps squeak through winter without freezing to death, but not without a lot of sacrifice, chopping down Europe’s forests, and wearing their coats indoors. Now, only a few days into Winter, it remains to be seen how that will work out. We’ll know more in March of the new year. France had been the exception in Europe, due to its large fleet of atomic energy plants. But many of them have now aged-out, some shut down altogether, and “green” politics stood in the way of replacing them, so France, too, will find itself increasingly subject to affordable energy shortages. ...

The USA poured over $100-billion into Ukraine in arms, goods, and cash in 2022. That largesse will not continue as America sinks into its Second Great Depression. In any case, much of that schwag was fobbed off with. The arms are spent, the launchers destroyed. A lot of weapons were trafficked around to other countries and non-state actors. Russia is going to prevail in Ukraine. The news emanating from American media about Ukraine’s military triumphs was all propaganda. There was hardly ever any real doubt that Russia dominated the war zone strategically and tactically. Even its withdrawals from one city or another were tactically intelligent and worthwhile, sparing Russian lives. The Special Military Operation wasn’t a cakewalk because Russia wanted to avoid killing civilians and refrain from destroying infrastructure that would leave Ukraine a gutted, failed state. Over time, the USA proved itself to be negotiation-unworthy, and Ukraine’s president Zelensky refused to entertain rational terms for settling the crisis. So, now the gloves are off in Ukraine. As of December 29, Russia shut off the lights in Kiev and Lvov.

The open questions: how much punishment does Ukraine seek to suffer before it capitulates? Will Zelensky survive? (Even if he runs off to Miami, he may not survive.) What exactly will be left of Ukraine? In 2023 Russia will decide the disposition of things on-the-ground. Failed states make terrible neighbors. One would imagine that Russia’s main goal is to set up a rump Ukraine that can function, but cease to be an annoying pawn of its antagonists. Ukraine will no longer enjoy access to the Black Sea; it will be landlocked. The best case would be for Ukraine to revert to the agricultural backwater it was for centuries before the mighty disruptions of the modern era. Perhaps Russia will take it over altogether and govern it as it had ever since the 1700s — except for Ukraine’s brief interlude post-USSR as one of the world’s most corrupt and mal-administered sovereign states.

Bottom line: Ukraine is and always was within Russia’s sphere-of-influence, and will remain so. The USA has no business there and it will be best for all concerned when we bug out. Let’s hope that happens without America triggering a nuclear World War Three. (Yeah, “hope” is not a plan. Try prayer, then.) Mr. Putin’s challenge going into 2023 is to conclude the Ukraine hostilities without humiliating the USA to the degree that we do something really stupid.
1905   socal2   2022 Dec 31, 9:49am  

Patrick says

Mr. Putin’s challenge going into 2023 is to conclude the Ukraine hostilities without humiliating the USA to the degree that we do something really stupid.


Dude is on crack. That is Putin's only challenge in 2023? Winning Ukraine so bigly as to not humiliate the USA?

As if Russia isn't already an international laughing stock and pariah after showing the whole world what a shit-show of a military it has after their abortion of an invasion in Ukraine?

Bizarro world stuff.
1906   Peter P   2022 Dec 31, 10:13am  

I doubt Russia is afraid of the US doing something stupid.
1907   AmericanKulak   2022 Dec 31, 1:09pm  

Russian Center of Gravity since around 900AD Lake Ladoga towns -> Kiev/Konugard -> Vladimir -> Moscow

Ukraine hasn't been a functional country in 800 years. It was crushed by the Golden Horde and ruled direct, unlike forested Northern Russia which was tribuatory.
1908   RWSGFY   2022 Dec 31, 4:47pm  

AmericanKulak says


Russian Center of Gravity since around 900AD Lake Ladoga towns -> Kiev/Konugard -> Vladimir -> Moscow

Ukraine hasn't been a functional country in 800 years. It was crushed by the Golden Horde and ruled direct, unlike forested Northern Russia which was tribuatory.


Huh? Ukraine was a part of Grand Duchy of Lithuania since 1362. Moscow was Golden Horde's bitch and paid tributes up until 1480, i.e. was Tatar's bitch 120 years longer. And then while the former went on electing their leaders and penning a Constitution (some 70 years before American one) the latter enslaved their own people and were ruled by an absolute monarchy.
1909   richwicks   2023 Jan 1, 10:42pm  


original link

It's not the "liberators" doing that. That's Ukraine's civil war.
1910   stfu   2023 Jan 2, 3:46pm  

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/wait-second-merkel-did-what

Article provides two sources both involved in the Minsk Agreements (Merkel being the better known one) that the West never had any intention of honoring the accords, it was only to buy time for Ukraine to build up it's military.
1911   Onvacation   2023 Jan 2, 9:20pm  

Ukraine Loans Might Not Be Paid Back!

1915   Patrick   2023 Jan 13, 9:09pm  

https://notthebee.com/article/canada-just-bought-ukraine-a-400-million-air-defense-system-their-military-has-been-asking-for-for-more-than-a-decade


The Liberal government is spending more than $400 million to buy air-defence systems for Ukraine even though the Canadian Forces has been without such equipment for more than a decade.

Defence Minister Anita Anand announced Tuesday that Canada would purchase a "National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile System" and associated munitions from the United States to donate to Ukraine. A NASAMS is a short- to medium-range ground-based air-defence system that protects against drone, missile and aircraft attacks. The donation will cost Canadian taxpayers approximately $406 million.
1917   Hugh_Mongous   2023 Jan 16, 9:24pm  

Patrick says







Except literally half of the USSR's whole budged is "secret articles". But these probably go to unicorn farms and such.
1918   Misc   2023 Jan 16, 10:36pm  

Hugh_Mongous says


Patrick says







Except literally half of the USSR's whole budged is "secret articles". But these probably go to unicorn farms and such.



There hasn't been a USSR since 1992.
1919   Patrick   2023 Jan 17, 8:48am  

https://www.rt.com/news/569985-milley-inspects-ukrainian-troops/


Top US general inspects Ukrainian troops
Mark Milley visited a German camp to oversee the Pentagon’s newly expanded training program


That's because it's really a war of the US elite against Russia.
1920   Misc   2023 Jan 17, 11:06pm  

I still want to see the Russian oligarchs blow up Western oligarchs' yachts, private jets and mansions. Vice versa, of course.

That would end hostilities in the Ukraine real quick. An armistice would be developed with exceptional speed.
1921   Patrick   2023 Jan 17, 11:14pm  

Lol, that would be fun to watch.
1922   Patrick   2023 Jan 18, 9:23pm  




The money laundering from US taxpayers, through Ukraine, back to corrupt US officials and their campaign donors, continues unabated.
1923   Patrick   2023 Jan 26, 6:09pm  

https://notthebee.com/article/speaking-of-sending-tanks-to-ukraine-heres-biden-nearly-a-year-ago-saying-that-sending-weapons-to-ukraine-means-world-war-3


Here's Biden last year assuring us that we wouldn't send tanks to Ukraine because that means "World War 3" 😬


I've been saying that WWIII is a good way to distract us from the ongoing genocide by toxxine.


1924   Patrick   2023 Jan 26, 6:14pm  

https://notthebee.com/article/german-foreign-minister-we-are-fighting-a-war-with-russia


German foreign minister: "We are fighting a war against Russia"

NTB Staff
Jan 25, 2023

Last I checked, Germany wasn't, in fact, at war with Russia.

If it were, NATO treaties would kick in and WWIII would officially start.
1925   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2023 Jan 26, 6:42pm  

Patrick says

https://notthebee.com/article/german-foreign-minister-we-are-fighting-a-war-with-russia



German foreign minister: "We are fighting a war against Russia"

NTB Staff
Jan 25, 2023

Last I checked, Germany wasn't, in fact, at war with Russia.

If it were, NATO treaties would kick in and WWIII would officially start.



treaties don’t mean much without desire
1926   Patrick   2023 Jan 27, 10:13am  

https://babylonbee.com/news/ukrainian-russian-soldiers-snap-adorable-photo-with-their-matching-american-tanks



Seems possible:

https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-news/putin-in-negotiation-with-taliban-to-procure-us-arms-in-exchange-for-recognition-insider-articleshow.html


25th January, 2023 12:53 IST
Putin In Negotiation With Taliban To Procure US Arms In Exchange For Recognition: Insider
"Putin is overseeing negotiations with Taliban to recognise its government. In return, he is offering a major arms and military swap," channel claimed.
1927   Patrick   2023 Jan 27, 2:23pm  

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/pretend-o-rama/


“Not only is there no threat from Russia that is independent of American policy, but it is also the expansion of NATO to ‘meet the threat from Russia’ that creates the very threat that expansion was supposed to meet.” — Alistair Crooke

I doubt that many Americans — even the masses sunk in vaccine smuggery and obsessive Trump-o-phobia — believe that America’s Ukraine project is working out for us. Of course, to even begin thinking about this debacle, you must at least suspect that our government is lying about virtually everything it has its hand in. Name something it is not lying about, I dare you.

So, what is the Ukraine project about? To use that sad-ass country as a vector to disable and destroy Russia. You can’t over-state the stupidity of that objective. And why did we want to do that? Because… reasons. Oh? And what were they? Well, Russia was… there. Oh? And what was it doing? Trying to take over the world? Uh, no. It was actually just trying to be a normal European nation again after its traumatic 75-year-long experiment with communism, which ended in 1991.

And then, after that, coming along pretty well under Mr. Putin. Did I say that? Yes, I did, because it is a fact. Russia wrote new private property laws, made commerce legal again, and allowed its citizens to do business. Russia wasn’t threatening any other nations, most particularly not its former province, Ukraine. It had even invited Ukraine to be a sovereign member of its trade association, the customs union, with a bunch of other regional states who had rational interests in good regional relations. That’s what set off the maniacs at the US State Department — under Secretary John Kerry, a.k.a. the haircut-in-search-of a-brain — who, in 2014, decided to overthrow Ukraine’s government.

The project since then has been to use the US-controlled Ukraine government to antagonize Russia and, finally, to draw Russia into a military operation intended, SecDef Lloyd Austin said more than once, “to weaken Russia.” Well, everything we’ve done there, from eight years of shelling the Donbas, to kicking Russia out of the West’s banking system, to pouring billions of US dollars into Ukraine’s corrupt government, has only strengthened Russia internally, earned the approbation of many other nations who object to US interference in their regions, and steered poor Ukraine into the graveyard of failed states.

We are losing this unnecessary proxy war about as steadily as possible, and actually making Russia look good in the process. Russia could have ended the war in five minutes by turning Kiev into an ashtray, but it spent the first eight months of the operation trying to avoid busting up Ukraine’s infrastructure, so as not to turn it into a failed state (that would present new and worse problems). Mr. Putin made many overtures to negotiate an end to the conflict, all rejected by Ukraine, the US, and its NATO “partners.”

So, now Russia is grinding on-the-ground to reduce Ukraine’s ability to continue making war by systematically killing the troops Ukraine foolishly throws into the battle line, and destroying Ukraine’s heavy weapons. Ukraine is about out of its own soldiers and weapons. Russia is maneuvering to roll over what’s left there and put an end to these pointless and needless hostilities. Contrary to US propaganda, Russia has no ambition to conquer NATO territory. Rather its aim is to restore order to a corner of the world that has been its legitimate sphere of influence for centuries — and more than once been used as a doormat for European armies to invade Russia.

Apparently, we can’t allow Russia to clean up this mess we made — or we pretend that we can’t, even though it’s happening anyway, whether we like it or not. So now, the US promises to send thirty-one M1 Abrams tanks to Ukraine. A bold move, you think? Not exactly. By the time these tanks get anywhere in the vicinity of Ukraine, this war is likely to be over. Never mind the difficult business of training the few remaining eligible Ukrainian men between sixteen and sixty how to operate the tanks, and training maintenance crews, and delivering inventories of spare parts — you see where this is going — not to mention the certainty that the Russians will simply blow them up as fast as they appear on the premises. Anyway, a measly thirty-one tanks that can barely be operated is meaningless compared to hundreds of T-72s backed by newer T-14 tanks the Russians can muster from just over their border with Ukraine.

The tank proffer is, sad to say (for the dignity of our country), a joke, kind of a last feeble pretense before the whole thing ends in ignominy for the “Joe Biden” team — whoever that actually is. The repercussions are liable to be ugly for our country, not necessarily in terms of more military trouble in other lands (which we probably lack the capacity to engage in now), but something more personal: the collapse of the dollar as the world’s reserve currency and a vicious loss of purchasing power here at home. That would provoke a situation worse than the Great Depression of the 1930s, and that’s probably where things are going.

The Ukraine misadventure will disappear from America’s collective consciousness in a New York minute and a Fourth Turning jamboree of serious domestic political disorder will commence in short order. If you think “Joe Biden’s” term in office has been a disaster so far, just wait. You ain’t seen nuttin yet.

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