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stereotomy says

Patrick: Weird. I'm trying to like this, but it doesn't register. Has PatNet been infiltrated?

stereotomy Tell me more about what happens when you click "like". Does it show the "..." or does nothing happen at all?

When I tried earlier, nothing happened. I just tried again and it works. It must have been a temporary glitch.

https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1626667164965953541?ref_src=patrick.net

US TO SUPPORT UKRAINIAN PENSIONS

Ok, so maybe the previous estimates of Russian losses were exaggerated.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/over-30-000-wagner-group-fighters-killed-or-injured-in-ukraine-u-s-says/ar-AA17CRAt?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=1bbd986dc07e42be94bdf0f93c49ecc0

Any recent numbers on Ukie losses????

Zelensky whining about the lack of weapons and ammo standing in the room filled with hundreds of dead Nazis:

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1626593797932199936?ref_src=patrick.net

More Nazis in Ukraine:

https://twitter.com/Ninja998998/status/1522188714629345281?ref_src=patrick.net

Vance Murphy
@vancemurphy
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Feb 18
There are roughly 580,000 homeless people in the US, and we have sent 100 BILLION dollars to Ukraine.

That is $172,000 per homeless person.

Patrick says

Vance Murphy
vancemurphy
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Feb 18
There are roughly 580,000 homeless people in the US, and we have sent 100 BILLION dollars to Ukraine.

That is $172,000 per homeless person.

Not saying that shoveling money to Ukraine is a good idea - let Europe pay for the war- but
1. Giving homeless slightly aged weapons such as HIMARS missiles is probably not a good idea, and
2. California is already shoveling money to homeless, do you have less homeless or more after that, relative to States that don’t do that?

It would be nice if people tried logical arguments instead of emotional slogans. Vance Murphy uses what in E Europe is called wamminz logic.

Bd6r says

1. Giving homeless slightly aged weapons such as HIMARS missiles is probably not a good idea, and
2. California is already shoveling money to homeless, do you have less homeless or more after that, relative to States that don’t do that?

Hmm, I bet if you gave the homeless a tank, and some training and ammunition, and then said "hey, do WHATEVER you want with it. Hey - is that a federal building over there? Hey, and there's the HQ of Wells Fargo. Hey, look there, it's the Federal Reserve".

It bet it would help a LOT.

Patrick says

https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1626667164965953541?ref_src=patrick.net

US TO SUPPORT UKRAINIAN PENSIONS

Looks like the game plan is indeed to kill almost all Ukrainians, so the liability will go away. Nearly 20 years ago, when Hongkong and Taiwan introduced healthcare and pension for all, I realized that was going to be the end for the both of them.

Reality says

Patrick says

https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1626667164965953541?ref_src=patrick.net

US TO SUPPORT UKRAINIAN PENSIONS

Looks like the game plan is indeed to kill almost all Ukrainians, so the liability will go away. Nearly 20 years ago, when Hongkong and Taiwan introduced healthcare and pension for all, I realized that was going to the end for the both of them.

not so, way worse and more sinister. Think of this like this:

- pensions are for old people, old people aren't fighting
- pensions are typically paid by young people, who are dying in war right now.
- there won't be new young people, once dead, they don't return, takes a while to make that many new humans.

Ukraine as country is fucked, only way to pay pensions is to borrow from foreign banks, and you know old PatNet slogan... "debt is slavery" (still got a sticker somewhere). Ukrainian slavs will be foreign bank slaves once dust settles. They'll be paying debt forever and ever from taxes to foreign banks who just print money.

UKRAINE IS FUCKED, sold out by their own government to foreign governments. World is a cruel place.

Oh YES, those mighty Ukrainian pensions.

I saved people the trouble of having to look them up. It is about $63 per month per person for the elderly (less if married).

They have nothing to fight for.

https://razumkov.org.ua/en/articles/pension-system-can-ukrainian-pensions-be-saved#:~:text=The%20average%20pension%20is%20UAH,UAH%203%2C001%20to%20UAH%204%2C000.

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

UKRAINE IS FUCKED, sold out by their own government to foreign governments. World is a cruel place.

No, they weren't sold out by their own government, they were sold out by a Zionist mafia.

Ukraine, if it's smart, will make a deal with Russia at the end of this, and tap Ukraine's oil for export to India and China and just, fuck their debt to the IMF.

The IMF is not going to loan substantial funds to the Ukraine. They are going to bailout the European banks that loaned the Ukraine $135 billion before the hostilities broke out.

You see the US is kinda new to the Ukraine kickback schemes, the Europeans were in it for $135 billion waaaaaaaaaaay before us.

The war kinda helped out the Euro bankers as now the IMF rolls over the debt to the banks onto the IMF.

Misc says

The IMF is not going to loan substantial funds to the Ukraine.

Yeah they will.

That's ONE of the reasons that Ukraine was overthrown. Viktor Yanukovych made an agreement for borrowing money from Russia, at a lower interest rate than the EU.

https://www.voanews.com/a/russia-promises-ukraine-cheaper-gas-15-billion-loan/1811836.html

https://tass.com/economy/800896

There's a ton of articles. The Fed and EU (if they are even different entities at this point) are our true rulers.

You mis-interpreted what I said. The IMF money is simply going to the banks that made the loans to the Ukraine. They get their money back. The Ukraine then owes the money not to the private banks, but to the IMF. ---- See Win Win ! ! ! ! !

All the $135 billion in corruption bucks shifted to the IMF.

Why the long face?

EUROPE
FEBRUARY 22, 2023 / 11:17 AM
Russian mercenary boss escalates row with top army brass with image of dead bodies
LONDON (Reuters) - Russian mercenary chief Yevgeny Prigozhin took a bitter public feud with the top army brass to a new level on Wednesday, publishing a grisly image of dozens of his fighters he said had been killed after being deprived of ammunition.
Prigozhin, founder of the Wagner private military company which is fighting on Moscow’s behalf in Ukraine, has this week repeatedly accused the Russian defence ministry of deliberately starving his fighters of munitions in what he has called a treasonous attempt to destroy Wagner.
The defence ministry, in a statement late on Tuesday, said such allegations were “completely untrue” and complained - without mentioning Prigozhin by name - about attempts to create splits that worked “solely to the benefit of the enemy”.
Undeterred, Prigozhin doubled down on his allegations on Wednesday, taking the unusual step of releasing a picture of dozens of his dead fighters laying prostrate on the icy ground in eastern Ukraine, where Wagner is battling to try to take the small Ukrainian city of Bakhmut.
“This is one of the places where the bodies of those who have died are gathered,” Prigozhin told a prominent Russian military blogger in an interview.
“These are guys who died yesterday because of so-called shell hunger. Mothers, wives and children will get their bodies. There should be five times less (dead). Who is guilty that they died? The guilty ones are those who should have resolved the question of us getting enough ammo.”
In another move likely to infuriate the top army brass, he released a copy of what he said was Wagner’s official request to the defence ministry for ammunition with detailed tallies of shells used, requested and received - though he said he had blanked out sensitive data such as the names of the shells.
“They’re still not giving us ammo. No steps to give us ammo have been taken,” said Prigozhin, saying that Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu, a close ally of President Vladimir Putin, and Valery Gerasimov, the chief of the General Staff, were withholding their signatures from shell approval forms.
Neither man has publicly responded to Prigozhin’s criticism in the past.
...
On Wednesday, he said he had launched a social media campaign to try to secure the shells and that Wagner had been reduced to begging military warehouses for ammunition, which he said was sometimes successful.
Despite the purported shortage, he said his fighters would keep trying to overrun Ukraine’s Bakhmut.
“Twice as many of us are going to die that’s all, until there are none of us left,” he said.
“And when Wagner are all dead then (Defence Minister) Shoigu and (General) Gerasimov will probably have to pick up a gun.”

Is he getting tired of winning or what?

RWSGFY says

Is he getting tired of winning or what?

It's just wartime propaganda. I don't know why people latch onto this bullshit, when this is Western "news":


original link


Are you REALLY fooled by this bullshit anymore? That asshole gets paid $30,000,000 a year to lie to you. Why, at THIS FUCKING POINT, do you take anything as truthful and honest at this point, just because some dickhead from probably the CIA wrote it up?

Are you just a slave?

Ben Norton
@BenjaminNorton
50,000 protesters came to the huge peace rally in Berlin, Germany today.

They are demanding an end to Europe's escalation of the NATO proxy war in Ukraine and immediate peace talks

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/dark-trend-martial-law-vigilantism-and-public-humiliation-ukraine

If there's worse stuff going on in Russia, I haven't heard about it. How far does it have to go before people will admit there are no winners, and Ukraine is not now, or ever was a country to support?

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/the-world-has-enough-trouble/

If you think about it at all, can you come up with any good reasons why our country has involved itself in the Ukraine war? To defend democracy, many say? An emptier platitude does not exist in the vast slippery lexicon of spin. To thwart Russia’s imperial overreach? You apparently have no clue about Ukraine’s history, ancient or modern. To incite an overthrow of the wicked Putin by his own people? The Russian president is more popular there now than even John F. Kennedy was here in 1962.

There actually are no good reasons for what we are doing in Ukraine, only bad reasons. Mainly, stoking the war there diverts Americans’ attention from our own problems, which is to say the titanic failures of America’s political establishment. The USA is falling apart from a combination of mismanagement, malice, and negligence. Our economy is a tottering scaffold of Ponzi schemes. Our institutions are wrecked. The government lies about everything it does. The news industry ratifies all the lying. Our schoolchildren can’t read or add up a column of numbers. Our food is slow-acting poison. Our medical-pharma matrix has just completed the systematic murder and maiming of millions. Our culture has been reduced to a drag queen twerk-fest. Our once-beautiful New World landscape is a demolition derby. Name something that hasn’t been debauched, perverted, degenerated, or flat-out destroyed.

And so, the “Joe Biden” show is busy ginning up nuclear war hysteria because that’s all it has left for manipulating public emotion. The Covid-19 derangement lost its mojo in 2022 and the population has only just begun to grok the all-causes death disaster underway courtesy of Pfizer and Moderna (and the CDC with the FDA). Did you notice, by the way, that the CDC just added those unapproved, still-experimental shots to the childhood vaccine schedule, considered official “guidance” that is followed by virtually every school system in America. Rochelle Walensky did that despite massive evidence that the “vaccines” damage children’s hearts, nervous systems, reproductive systems, and immune systems?

Do you know why Ms. Walensky did that? Because adding the mRNA shots to the childhood schedule supposedly confers permanent immunity from legal liability for the drug companies, even after the current emergency use authorization (EUA) runs out. The catch to that cozy arrangement is if there was any fraud committed on the public in the release and administration of those products, the companies lose their immunity and can be sued until there is nothing left of them but the paperclips. Plus, the executives may be liable for criminal prosecution. Hard time.

One Brook Jackson, a technician involved in the sketchy Pfizer drug trials, and who directly witnessed the procedural violations as they occurred, is currently suing Pfizer under the False Claims Act (31 U.S. Code § 3729) saying that the company defrauded the government. Pfizer’s lawyers have asked the judge to dismiss the case on the grounds, they said in court, that, “We did not defraud the government. We delivered the fraud that the government ordered.” So now, millions of schoolchildren in this land will be subject to compulsory harmful mRNA shots in order to cover the Pharma companies’ multi-billion-dollar asses. Doesn’t that sum up our national predicament nicely? Way to go, Rochelle. Don’t think nobody noticed.

It’s also worth pondering whether we are neck-deep in the Ukraine morass because Volodymyr Zelensky is blackmailing “Joe Biden” over the mysterious Biden Family business operations that took place there directly following the US-orchestrated Maidan revolution that overthrew Ukraine President Viktor Yanukovich in 2014. Remember “The Big Guy’s” earnest efforts to get rid of the Ukrainian state prosecutor who was looking into the affairs of the Burisma gas company that invited Hunter Biden and his associate Devon Archer onto the board of directors. Of all people in Western Civ… these two Americans… with no knowledge of or experience in the natgas industry. Weird, a little bit. Do you suppose Mr. Zelensky still has the prosecutor’s files in his possession?

Then, of course, there is the bizarre matter of the Nord Stream pipelines caper, lately disclosed by the scrupulous reporter, Seymour Hersh, as a US naval operation. We blew them up. Four EU member Nations (also US NATO allies) held a combined half-ownership in the pipelines (the other half held by Russia). European industry and households depended on a steady supply of that reasonably-priced gas to continue modern life there. Both President “Joe Biden” and Deputy Secretary of State for Political Affairs, Victoria Nuland, promised the news media (and the American public) that the pipeline would “be no more” if a Russian military operation crossed into the Donbas. Well, sonofabitch, the pipelines were “no more” as of last September.

Was that an injury to Russia? Well, yes, though Russia has found work-arounds for selling its natgas elsewhere than northern Europe. Do you realize, though, that it was every bit as much an act-of-war against our supposed allies? None of the NATO countries with a stake in the North Streams have made a peep so far about the shocking disclosure. Which may lead a casual observer to ask whether Western Civ has gone plumb insane. Maybe so, in which, case perhaps, it deserves to suffer. After a while — not such a long while, either — modern life will be but a memory in northern Europe.

Somehow the specter of unintended consequences looms over all this mischief. My guess is we just haven’t seen them yet… and when we do, they will be ferocious. For starters, NATO will be another thing that is no more. And our country will have to go about our blustering war-hawkery without any back-up or convenient staging-areas for fomenting more shenanigans in a far-away region where we have no real national interest, just a certain zeal for creating unnecessary trouble and hardship in a world that already has more than it requires.

Remember what his old boss, Barack Obama, said about the former Veep: “You can never overstate Joe’s ability to fuck things up.” What a prophet that man is! Under “Joe Biden,” the USA has been slip-sliding sideways and backwards into a realm of darkness unimaginable a few years ago. But now, something is heaving through the public sensibility, as spring marches north in America. It feels like a sharp change in attitude, a refusal to continue acting like a reality-optional society. It’s crackling through the air like a rumor of liberation in a hostage crisis. Can you hear it?

I mostly agree, except for his assertion that the war "diverts Americans’ attention from our own problems". I don't think Nuland and Blinken's war diverts Americans' attention all that much. The motive for the war is mostly just the desire to expand US military power yet further into Eastern Europe. Empires expand as much as they can. And maybe there's some truth to the assertion that US Jews in power, like Nuland and Blinken, simply hate Russia for perceived historical wrongs.

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/between-that-rock-and-the-hard-place/

Secret Agent Man “Joe Biden” turned up in Kiev Monday morning after landing in Poland and riding an overnight choo-choo train across the Ukraine frontier to avoid the hazardous pomp of landing Air Force One in a war zone. One might try to guess the message Victoria Nuland sent her errand boy to deliver. My guess is that “JB” was there to tell Wolodymyr Zelensky the USA stands behind him one hundred percent — an obvious whopper — being exactly the opposite of the developing reality that, short of setting off nuclear Armageddon, there is really nothing the USA can do to prevent Russia from concluding our ill-conceived project on its own terms. Who better to deliver an arrant falsehood than the master, “Scranton Joe,” he who once battled and vanquished the tyrant Corn-Pop!

Remember, last week Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, General Mark Milley, speaking out of the aperture between his butt cheeks, announced that Russia had lost “strategically, operationally and tactically” in Ukraine. This was after NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg announced rather clumsily that Ukraine’s army was out of ammo, especially artillery shells, and the only remedy for that was for Europe to rebuild an armaments industry — which was a sideways-and-backwards way of saying… fuggeddabowdit.

One might also suppose that, behind all this cognitive dissonance, the US would be engaged in secret talks with Russia to arrive at some face-saving device for getting out of this mess. But really, what is our leverage for that? Can we threaten to put US boots-on-the-Ground in Ukraine? That would be a little like channeling Gen. George Armstrong Custer, don’t you think? Apparently, all we’re left with is a game of pretend, using the Pretender-in-Chief as the front.

I’d also venture to say that American voters are not so enthused about this Ukraine pageant as they seemed to be last summer when the yellow and blue flags popped up on front porches at every Woked-up clam-bake from Edgartown to Bar Harbor. Our Ukrainian proxies sure seemed to be giving those Ruskies what-for along the front lines in Donbas, payback, you understand, for helping Donald Trump steal the 2016 election from She Whose Turn It Was Supposed to Be… America’s Amazonian Caesar-in-a-pants-suit, HRC.

The fall offensive by Ukraine was an illusion, alas, setting up its army for methodical decimation, now nearly complete. So, too, is all the talk of sending tanks in to save the day. And so, too, is the very existence of NATO as anything other than window-dressing on an empty storefront. If blowing up the Nord Stream pipelines, as recently alleged by independent reporter Seymour Hersh, smells like an attack on our supposed ally, Germany, then how was it not an attack on NATO, in which Germany is the centerpiece? And, finally, why would Germany not be engaging in secret talks of its own with Russia, behind America’s back?

Intrigue must be rife now throughout Europe, and Americans will not hear anything about it from its Deep State-owned news media. Is there any reason why Europe could not live with a neutralized Ukraine? Of course not. Ukraine is in uproar now simply because geniuses in the US State Department thought it would be a good way to annoy and antagonize Russia. The project was insane from inception. The main result is that Europe will no longer have the natural gas it needs at a rational price to continue being an industrial society.

One must conclude that NATO is looking for a way out of this. But there is no way out except to declare by word or deed, directly or otherwise, that NATO has outlived the reason for its existence. Any sane analysis by Europeans would arrive at the unnerving realization that the USA has become the enemy of NATO, not Russia. If all that is so, then a seismic shift is underway that will leave America hung out to dry on the Ukraine project. Germany will have to make a deal with Russia to rebuild the Nord Streams. What could the US do about that? Impose sanctions on Germany, France, the Netherlands, and the rest of the bunch? Where does that leave Western Civ?

I’ll tell you: it leaves Western Civ diminished. It leaves our country to stew in its own rancid economic and financial juices in abject isolation from, basically, the rest of the world. (Fare-thee-well hegemonic dream; hello multi-polarity!) It leaves Ukraine neutralized and no longer a problem… It leaves Russia able to feel secure in its borders and free to get on with being a normal nation… and it leaves Europe the hope that it can resume modern life a while longer with the familiar comforts and conveniences.

The end of the Ukraine conflict also exposes the rotten web of Globalist schemers who planted their operators in every niche of American life and all around Western Civ — George Soros’s empire of meddling NGOs, Bill Gates’s World Health Org puppet show, the ridiculous World Economic Forum’s network of stooges in high places from Justin Trudeau to BlackRock’s Larry Fink.

The end of the Ukraine conflict reveals the submission of the Democratic Party to nefarious interests intent on wrecking this country. Even the most benign end to the Ukraine conflict — such as, by default, Europe and Russia settling-up on their own to stop the fighting — will be another humiliation for “Joe Biden” and the crew behind him, as bad as the last days in Kabul. Their other crimes await full disclosure, everything from treasonous bribery to the fraud and genocide around Covid-19. There will have to be a severe political realignment in America. But before that can happen, expect many seasons of terrible disorder.

At first I didn't believe they did the body double thing with Zelensky, but now I'm not sure:

https://twitter.com/ArthurM40330824/status/1629495776928841728?ref_src=patrick.net

Life sure has sucked under Pax Americana!

We need a multi-polar world and get back to the killing fields!

Also - as if the USSR/Russia is not responsible for Marxist insurgencies all over Africa, South America and Asia?

socal2 says

Life sure has sucked under Pax Americana!

We need a multi-polar world and get back to the killing fields!

Also - as if the USSR/Russia is not responsible for Marxist insurgencies all over Africa, South America and Asia?

Yemen doesn't show up on that graph

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_in_Yemen_(2016%E2%80%93present)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_in_Yemen_(2016%E2%80%93present)

You can't trust the government at all at this point. They just lie, and do it constantly.

socal2 says

Also - as if the USSR/Russia is not responsible for Marxist insurgencies all over Africa, South America and Asia?

Right, those were the CIA, with the exception of SE Asia.

NuttBoxer says

socal2 says

Also - as if the USSR/Russia is not responsible for Marxist insurgencies all over Africa, South America and Asia?

Right, those were the CIA, with the exception of SE Asia.

The United States falsely claimed that Jacobo Árbenz was a communist in order to justify the 1953 coup of Guatemala to advantage The United Fruit Company. The US has no problem setting up a pretext for an invasion or a coup. It's doesn't matter if it's a ridiculous lie or the truth.

The US funded and supported the Mujaheddin in Afghanistan, and then "somehow" they just were entirely magically replaced with the Taleban, since really the Taleban was a subset of the Mujaheddin. The US common funds and helps their stated enemies, like ISIS and AlQaeda.

It's logical to assume that the United States would fund any government of any type if they were creating a pretext for war or a coup up to and including a communist government.

NuttBoxer says

Right, those were the CIA, with the exception of SE Asia

Huh? The CIA was spreading Marxism in South/Central America and around the globe?

If the USSR wasn't funding Marxist insurgencies in South America creating even greater shit-holes and poverty (like they did in Eastern Europe, Africa and Asia), perhaps the CIA would not have had to fund counter-insurgency groups to fight them?

Everyone screaming and crying about NATO's "threat" to Russia, seem to have no problem with the USSR and later Russia creating massive instability in our own hemisphere resulting in the border and refugee crisis we are dealing with today.

socal2 says

Everyone screaming and crying about NATO's "threat" to Russia, seem to have no problem with the USSR and later Russia creating massive instability in our own hemisphere resulting in the border and refugee crisis we are dealing with today.

Russia isn't creating the refugees, the United States is.

Jesus, why do you think our asshole government won't close the fucking border? The Clinton Foundation collected 100's of billions of dollars of Haiti, and just pocketed it.

The US government has been at war with the US citizenry for decades and they just blame Russia. Because you can't recognize the actual problem, we're stuck with the actual problem. You dopes will believe anything. Our government doesn't even bother to claim that Russia is in South America at this point, this out of YOUR asshole. The Russian boogeyman.

Uneducated, opinionated ignorant people like you guarantee we will continue to have a shitty fucking government that attacks its own citizens. Fuck you.

richwicks says

Our government doesn't even bother to claim that Russia is in South America at this point, this out of YOUR asshole.

I am claiming that the USSR helped create the shit-hole conditions in South/Central America by providing financial and military aid to Marxist insurgencies. I hope we all can agree by now that Marxism is total unworkable garbage and deserves to be in the dustbin of history like Nazism - right?

When the USSR imploded, they could no longer afford to prop up their Marxist puppets abroad and those countries floundered into a series of civil wars against non-Commies.

Now we have a series of failed countries south of our border sending millions of refugees through Texas, Arizona and New Mexico.

Look - America "meddled" all over the world leaving big messes too. I am not saying America is any way perfect or doesn't have death on its hands fighting Communism (and Jihadism). I am just pointing out that the USSR (and Russia) were every bit as active in meddling all over the globe as America and did far more damage.

socal2 says

I am claiming that the USSR helped create the shit-hole conditions in South/Central America

The USSR has been GONE since December 26, 1991. You are a 1/3rd of a century out of date.

People who claim that Russia is the same thing as the USSR are disgustingly ignorant. They are not the same. Even China bears LITTLE resemblance to what they once were 30 years ago. 40 years ago, 90% of the population was riding bicycles to and from work.

https://rumble.com/v2b70am-woody-harrelson-calls-big-pharma-a-cartel-alexandra-pelosi-loves-daddy-gw-b.html

The US federal government keeps making the same "mistakes" over and over again, and they don't give a shit, because it's the entire US population that has to put up with the consequences. You think it's some sort of coincidence the US has been bombing 7 predominately Muslim nations and the US is now dealing with a bunch of Muslims refugees?

If George W. Bush was strung up by his balls, and Victoria Nuland exiled to Israel, back in 2004, we wouldn't be dealing with this problem. We wouldn't be dealing with 1/2 of our problems. We'd be in prosperity and we'd be enjoying security. But you ignore the "mistakes" of the US government, and worse, you DEFENSE them.

These aren't mistakes.

socal2 says

Huh? The CIA was spreading Marxism in South/Central America and around the globe?

The United States implemented every plank of Communism under FDR. The CIA and the US government under the guise of the War on Us have done more to damage South America than any country since Spain and Portugal. Your bloodlust disguised as nationalism does not free you from Communism, it enslaves you to it.

Soros is banned in Russia. Everything you blame on your boogeyman is the fault of your own country's government and deep state. And that makes you their stooge.

I'm not putting Russia up as some utopia, no one on here is. I just don't waste time worrying about someone in another country, when the guy down the street is the one fucking me.

richwicks says

socal2 says

I am claiming that the USSR helped create the shit-hole conditions in South/Central America

The USSR has been GONE since December 26, 1991. You are a 1/3rd of a century out of date.

People who claim that Russia is the same thing as the USSR are disgustingly ignorant. They are not the same. Even China bears LITTLE resemblance to what they once were 30 years ago. 40 years ago, 90% of the population was riding bicycles to and from work.

Yes - but the damage they left behind is still being felt today. Back in the mid 1990's after the fall of the USSR, I was stopped by the Shining Path Maoist insurgency group at a roadblock in Peru during a mountain biking trip. We had to bribe them with 2 cases of beer to let us pass. Look at Peru today - still a shithole with political instability.

Besides, we have people on this forum citing actions from WWII to justify Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Is it ancient history or not?

NuttBoxer says

I'm not putting Russia up as some utopia, no one on here is.

Oh please - there are threads on this forum with absolute glee about how much Ukrainian land Russia is going to keep at the end of the war and how much Europe will freeze to death.

There is nary a word negative about Putin, but this site is filled with vitriol against Zelensky for trying to lead his nation against Russia's illegal invasion and mass murder.

Don't tell me there aren't Putin defenders here. I read them every fucking day with my own eyes. Maybe they are just Russian or Chinese bots?

socal2 says

Yes - but the damage they left behind is still being felt today. Back in the mid 1990's after the fall of the USSR, I was stopped by the Shining Path Maoist insurgency group at a roadblock in Peru during a mountain biking trip. We had to bribe them with 2 cases of beer to let us pass. Look at Peru today - still a shithole with political instability.

Haha. BEER?

I know an Ethiopian that was lined up while 1/2 of the people in the line were shot and killed by Communists, I think in the 1980's.

You have no perspective. If I got stopped by a paramilitary group and I had a case of beer, I would be like "yeah, let's have a drink and discuss this situation, because I don't know shit about it".

The US federal government creates all of our problems, doesn't solve any of them. They won't close the border, they invite in illegal immigrants, they force taxpayers to pay for their room and lodging, they won't enforce the law, they drag us into war after war and pretend it was inevitable and there's still people in the US that are like "DUUUR - Wussia did it!!!"

Your civic duty it to know what is going on with your own government. People who do know and won't even speak out about it, are PUSSIES, and People who don't know, are fucking idiots. If you were 30, I'd give you a pass, but I don't think you're that young.

socal2 says

Oh please - there are threads on this forum with absolute glee about how much Ukrainian land Russia is going to keep at the end of the war and how much Europe will freeze to death.

Show anybody expressing the glee about a bunch of death from another stupid fucking war here. Your perceptions aren't real I think. Who is posting the glee about the mess Victoria Nuland and the CIA created?