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The Economist is late to the party of the Red Pill.

But they at least got there.



I guess they didn't get this memo:

socal2 says

Ukraine, despite what you think - is now one of the most experienced and most heavily armed militaries in Europe and are going to continue killing tens of thousands of foolish Russians

Patrick says

Unprecedented US Operation to Shelter Zelensky Raises Eyebrows
The Unprecedented Expenditure of U.S. Resources and Citizenship Grants for President Zelensky's Extended U.S. Stay, Unraveling the Uncertain Future of Ukraine's Leadership Amidst Ongoing Conflict

LOL! Maybe it's a swap. All of the traitors and neocons in the foreign occupied foreign city state of Washington DC will flee and seek non extraditable amnesty in Ukraine (or the parts that remain of Ukraine after the Russians take what they want and the partition).

Z is a neocon orange revolution Soros fecal implant Euro Globalist disaster. I can't imagine any situation that would allow him to have any kind of ongoing power or influence. That means a pretend thing will go on for a while, and he will eventually be kaputsky.

United States is a banana republic, and banana republics are known for gladly accepting international criminals then bleeding them dry of their money through various extortions. Once the con artists and crooks are on empty, they are given some hovel to live out their days if nobody even cares to assassinate them any more. My hunch is the Intels wish to entice him close enough to shake him down for his kill switch J. Edgar Hoover type blackmail files on American politicians, military figures and Globalista criminal enterprises, and then do him in.

A strategic tunnel in the middle of Siberia linking Soviet and Chinese Commies had been liberated, denazified and demilitarized:

UKRAINE bombed Putin's longest railway tunnel 3,000 miles inside Russia cutting its main link to China, security sources claim.

Four blasts rocked the ten-mile tunnel in the Severomuyskiy mountains as a train passed through last night - "paralysing" a key weapons supply route.

A source claimed Ukraine's SBU intelligence service was behind the attack in Russia's far east.

A 41-wagon goods train - including three tankers filled with aviation fuel - was reportedly blown up yesterday.

It is unclear if the explosives had been hidden inside the ten-mile tunnel or placed on the freight train before it entered.

The target is the deepest behind enemy lines of any sabotage attack so far.

Russian media reported a fire in the Severomuyskiy tunnel, but did not elaborate on what had caused it.

They said specialist fire trains raced to the scene and no one had been hurt.

...the blasts had “paralysed” Russia’s Baikal-Amur Mainline which runs for 2,700 miles from central Russia to its Sea of Japan east coast.

Ukraine’s SBU did not respond for comments.

RWSGFY says

UKRAINE bombed Putin's longest railway tunnel 3,000 miles inside Russia cutting its main link to China, security sources claim.

What a load of absolute Ukey Nazi Fluffer propaganda BS! Is this the best you can do?

If so, the level of outright desperation is stunning.

https://www.definitions.net/definition/fluffer

Please tell me you are posting parody.

LOL!

Translation: It's over, kiddies.

Russian general just KIA by a Russian land mine! LOL!

zzyzzx says

Russian general just KIA by a Russian land mine! LOL!

As dumb as Americans are. Is there any evidence that Russians and Eastern Europeans have more intelligence? Hell all of the hemisphere. Really think about how much of a shit hole it is.

Exclude Australia and NZ and South Pacific/Indian Ocean "vacation" islands. In the last 125 years, there's almost a 100% chance you would have been involved in an armed conflict with another nation, tribe, guerrilla group, etc. Domestically we had a civil war and that's basically it. Why do we even involve ourselves in conflicts that will never end and haven't for centuries? Who cares is Russia or Ukraine "win?" They'll fight again 10-20 years down the road and the other side will win. It's stupid and we shouldn't be spending a fucking dime on it or wasting breath on debating it.

Putin orders the Russian military to add 170,000 troops for a total of 1.32 million
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireStory/putin-orders-russian-military-add-170000-troops-total-105314951

Got to keep Russia's meat waves going with new cannon fodder.

socal2 says

Got to keep Russia's meat waves going with new cannon fodder.

Uh-huh

socal2 says

Ukraine, despite what you think - is now one of the most experienced and most heavily armed militaries in Europe and are going to continue killing tens of thousands of foolish Russians

How many Russian casualties do you think there are at this point?

If Russian casualties are even 1/3 of what Ukraine and Western observers are saying, it is an appalling loss of life that we haven't seen since Korea.

Russia had more KIAs in a single week during heavy fighting in Bakhmut and Adivka than the US lost total in 20+ years in Afghanistan and Iraq combined!

Whatever you think Russia can "win" in this monumental cock-up can in no way make up for the massive loss of Russian life, material and treasure. Let alone all the needless carnage they have inflicted on Ukraine.

socal2 says

How many Russian casualties do you think there are at this point?

Doesn't matter what you 'think', just what is.

socal2 says

If Russian casualties are even 1/3 of what

1/3 of 100% of propaganda bullshit?

And it doesn't matter. What matters is that Ukraine suffered far more relative to its population. That is why they are losing.

PumpingRedheads says

Doesn't matter what you 'think', just what is.

You got a number?

Why do you guys argue over this? Neither of you know what is actually going on. It's all been propaganda since week one and now for 2 years basically. No naturalized US citizen should give a flying fuck about this conflict. Let them duke it out. They'll do it again in 30 years. That's what Europe, Asia and the ME have done for centuries. Won't change.

Regardless of US flaws, a civil war that resulted in staying the same United States, we've had 200+ years of mostly peace in our country. Not one country in the Eastern Hemisphere can say the same. I suppose Australia or NZ? Maybe Sweden and other Nordic countries? That part of the world has seen warfare at some point in anyone older than 80. Then there's Africa. Fuck the other side of the globe. They're dumb asses.

WookieMan says

I suppose Australia or NZ? Maybe Sweden and other Nordic countries?

You may be thinking of Switzerland. Both Norway and Finland were invaded in WW2. Sweden and Switzerland last fought in war around the time of Napoleon. Switzerland stays of wars by never invading anyone and being armed to the teeth to prevent being invaded themselves.

WookieMan says

"As dumb as Americans are. Is there any evidence that Russians and Eastern Europeans have more intelligence?"

Plenty of evidence.

• They did not abolish their borders like the USA. Question: Is the USA still a country? Hello?

• They did not send their manufacturing plants (including equipment floor bolts) to China. That must have saved the elites a lot of money huh? Question: Are they still saving?

• American sanctions are benefiting Russia and bankrupting the USA. But then was the intent of the neoCon Nazi Globalist Reich. Was it not?

• Unlike the US economy that was flushed down the drain the Russian economy is booming and they are experiencing a shortage of workers.

• In the US the elites are trying to wipe out Western Civilization and kill Christianity. In Russia, both are thriving and they are proud of the fact.

"On the bright side, Ukraine got tons of organs to sell, tons of women relegated to peonage and prostitution/slavery, piles of children kidnapped for adrenochrome and tissues, masses of weapons to sell on the black market, and tons of commissions and residuals from whatever money laundering we could still swing. Also, pleasing Moloch with the curling smoke of death and the slaughter of large numbers of Slavs can't be ruled out as a success."

"We think we may be able to float a new Ukrainian currency backed by adrenochrome and international organ trafficking."

https://t.me/gatewaypunditofficial/39794

Not around here. They are quite the diehard fan boys and agitprop repeating stations. Where they get the agitprop I shudder to contemplate.

Ceffer says

Not around here. They are quite the diehard fan boys and agitprop repeating stations. Where they get the agitprop I shudder to contemplate.

Loud keyboard Putin boosters can't define what a Russian "win" looks like at this point and have no idea how many Russians have been killed (or will be killed) to achieve this unstated "win".

The bigger the lies, the louder and longer the agitprop screamers. I guess when they are afraid of losing their paid ministries, they curl and shake fists and yell the programmed lies hoping the masters will continue to employ and deploy them.

Ceffer says

The bigger the lies, the louder and longer the agitprop screamers. I guess when they are afraid of losing their paid ministries, they curl and shake fists and yell the programmed lies hoping the masters will continue to employ and deploy them.

Got a reliable Russian casualty figure yet?

Do you have any metrics that can define a Russian "win" so we know how to properly evaluate? If you have none of this, you are just talking out of your ass.

The_Deplorable says

• They did not abolish their borders like the USA. Question: Is the USA still a country? Hello?

We could take all of Mexico in a month. No problem. We don't. Russia could have thrown gas/oil resources at this and just paid Ukraine for the land. That approach is intelligent if Russia believed most people they're attacking would prefer Russia. It's a win win. That's not what happened. Pure stupidity.

The_Deplorable says

• They did not send their manufacturing plants (including equipment floor bolts) to China. That must have saved the elites a lot of money huh? Question: Are they still saving?

Outside of energy Russia imports massive amounts to survive. That includes the labor to extract the resources that they're pissing away over a tiny swath of land. They're willing to throw young men at this war because they know they're fucked long term without a solid warm water port and land access.

The_Deplorable says

• Unlike the US economy that was flushed down the drain the Russian economy is booming and they are experiencing a shortage of workers.

This surely is in jest? Sanctions don't just destroy an economy overnight. It takes years. Not sure the point.

I don't have a pony in this race. Fact is Russia will "win," while at the same time get their asses handed to them and be worse off. It's not about dead bodies on either side. They don't and won't control the Black Sea without invading Turkey. Their land mass is shit besides resources. This is one of the dumbest offenses in modern history. And that's saying a lot with our fucking around in Irag and Afghanistan.

Ukraine is toast. But Russia is once again over. Not different than the USSR. Rise and repeat. Toss out our civil war we've had the most stabile economy and country for 2 centuries. Even our civil war ended up with the same boundaries. The US ain't perfect. The rest of the world isn't remotely close.

socal2 says

Got a reliable Russian casualty figure yet?

Do you have any metrics that can define a Russian "win" so we know how to properly evaluate? If you have none of this, you are just talking out of your ass.

Russia wins when Ukraine loses.

And Ukraine is fucked.

OMG!

How horrible!

socal2 says

define what a Russian "win" looks like

Regime change in America and a negotiated peace. Russia keeps Crimea and eastern Ukraine and the Bidens get prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

Onvacation says

socal2 says

define what a Russian "win" looks like

Regime change in America and a negotiated peace. Russia keeps Crimea and eastern Ukraine and the Bidens get prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

None of that will happen. The territory will be in perpetual war forever. Cease fire, sure. That's it. No regime change here anytime soon. Executive branch is not enough. Biden's will never be charged with anything meaningful. Trump will win and then fade away and we'll get another Neocon ass hole to fill the void from either side of the aisle.

Not what I'm hoping for, just being realistic. We need a hot civil war for there to be any meaningful changes. Not happening. I don't see the status quo changing in my lifetime.

WookieMan says

Not what I'm hoping for, just being realistic. We need a hot civil war for there to be any meaningful changes. Not happening. I don't see the status quo changing in my lifetime.

Agree, system needs to fail. It will be really painfully and will probably take a generation. Sad that it has to happen and at one time could have been avoided.

RC2006 says

WookieMan says

Not what I'm hoping for, just being realistic. We need a hot civil war for there to be any meaningful changes. Not happening. I don't see the status quo changing in my lifetime.

Agree, system needs to fail. It will be really painfully and will probably take a generation. Sad that it has to happen and at one time could have been avoided.

I'm concerned it doesn't happen. Future generations are just enslaved by this shit. Why do we even care about Ukraine or Isreal? All that shit is 10 hours away on a 500mph jet.

We should focus on this Hemisphere. We don't need to be shipping crap 2,500 miles+ to live. It makes no sense. We should be investing in Mexico, Central American and South America. None of us are at war with each other. Fuck the rest of the world at this point. Trade with them, but fuck NATO. Fuck their constant problems. We're talking centuries of absolute bull shit. It's never ending. Time to rip the bandaid off is my take. Not nationalist per se but hemispheralist if that's a term. Cut the globe in half and take care of our part.

In the news...

"By day four, Gen. Valery Zaluzhny, Ukraine’s top commander, had seen enough. Incinerated Western military hardware - American Bradleys, German Leopard tanks, mine-sweeping vehicles - littered the battlefield. The numbers of dead and wounded sapped morale..." https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/04/ukraine-counteroffensive-stalled-russia-war-defenses/

" Putin's forces 'advancing on all fronts'... Zelensky said Ukrainian defenses must quickly be beefed up across the front line. "In all major sectors where reinforcement is needed, [we must] speed up building of structures," the Ukrainian leader said... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/12/01/ukraine-russia-war-latest-news/

"White House warns it is ‘out of money and nearly out of time’ to aid Ukraine... "I want to be clear: without congressional action, by the end of the year we will run out of resources to procure more weapons and equipment for Ukraine and to provide equipment from US military stocks," Shalanda Young, director of the office of management and budget, wrote in the letter... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/04/white-house-ukraine-military-aid-warning

And then we have John Bolton's fantasies and wishful thinking...

"I think people in the House and the Senate should press Biden harder to develop a winning strategy with Ukraine, not just preventing Ukraine from losing, but figure out how Ukraine can win," he continued... https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4339230-bolton-argues-us-must-act-quickly-on-ukraine-aid/

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/grim-vermin-tuesday-december-5-2023

🚀 Well, this seems like a bad sign. Politico ran a gloomy story yesterday headlined, “NATO should be ready for ‘bad news’ from Ukraine, Stoltenberg warns.” Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg, who is probably still mad about getting a girl’s name, tried to put a good spin on his dark warning. The sub-headline explained, “‘We have to support Ukraine in both good and bad times,’ NATO chief says in ARD interview.”

But … Do we though? Especially, and this is the sticky bit, and it was fun while it lasted, of course, but do we really ‘have to support Ukraine’ in the bad times? Why? Why do we have to support Ukraine in the bad times?

It’s not like we got married or anything.

Whether or not bad times are coming, bad news for Ukraine has already arrived. Politico’s article unenthusiastically noted that, over the weekend, Russia increased the size of its army — again — this time by 170,000 more soldiers, bringing its estimated total military to over 2.3 million service members. Meanwhile, visible on a clear day from Siberia, Ukraine’s rich uncle Daddy Warbucks is not expanding his army. Uncle Sam faces critical recruiting problems, has a porous border arguably even worse than Ukraine’s, and by all accounts has snapped its wallet closed and jammed it back down the old trouser pocket.

In other words, it’s all bad news. Quibble if you like, but the weekend’s headlines can hardly be called good news. ...

And, behold this exquisitely-painful sentence that WaPo editors must have anguished over leaving in its article (or maybe dutifully added per instructions by their government handlers, either way):



Haha! Reached a stalemate! How many billions did it cost to achieve this “stalemate”? And, how times have changed. Back in the day, if I’d written a sentence like that, I would have been kidnapped from the law firm’s parking lot and woken up with a headache and a face tattoo branding me a “Putin-lover!” Maybe Ukraine needs to get itself some new “senior military officials” who don’t love Putin.

I still suspect that Nuland and Blinken's real goal in the US-provoked war in Ukraine was to cause the deaths of as many Ukrainian and Russian men as possible, and in particular for the Nazi Azov regiment, as a revenge for historical anti-Semitism in that area. This would also explain the odd sight of a Jewish president leading Nazis into war. Zelensky's goal all along was to get them to die, and then to retire to Florida to his estate and yachts paid for by US "aid" to Ukraine.

Patrick says

But....BUT!

socal2 says

Ukraine, despite what you think - is now one of the most experienced and most heavily armed militaries in Europe and are going to continue killing tens of thousands of foolish Russians

https://www.politico.eu/article/nato-boss-jens-stoltenberg-warns-of-bad-news-from-ukraine/

Patrick says

Careful here. If the briefing was classified, how did Tucker know the details? Also, what the SecDef has said before is that if we do not aid Ukraine now, Russia will conquer Ukraine and then move on to conquering eastern Europe, which will mean US Military would get involved. Ridiculous, yes, but it is not a good idea for Tucker to omit this detail and imply that the SecDef will send American troops to Ukraine merely because aid was denied. Too easy to debunk, especially when the SecDef does not have the power to commit troops.

HeadSet says

if we do not aid Ukraine now, Russia will conquer Ukraine and then move on to conquering eastern Europe,

Bullshit.

HeadSet says

which will mean US Military would get involved.

More bullshit. We can't, for one thing. Second, we won't. The US military can't fight a war like this anymore. It couldn't even fight the Iraq War all over again.

HeadSet says

If the briefing was classified, how did Tucker know the details?

Figure it out.

HeadSet says

imply that the SecDef will send American troops to Ukraine merely because aid was denied. Too easy to debunk,

Not really.

New Pledges of Military and Finanical Support to Ukraine Down 90 Per Cent in a Year: Report

A German research body that tracks donations to Ukraine says the value of pledges fell almost 90 per cent between Autumn 2022 and 2023, with levels dwindling since this Summer, around the time of Kyiv’s ‘Spring Offensive’.

Pledges of military and financial aid to Ukraine are now lower than they were before the renewed Russian invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, the Keil Institute says of its latest tranche of data published through its Ukraine Support Tracker programme. Noting donors have become “more hesitant in recent months”, Christoph Trebesch, a director at the Institute claimed “a further delay” to large aid programmes planned by the European Union and the United States of America would “significantly strengthen Putin’s position”.

More here: https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/12/08/new-pledges-of-military-and-finanical-support-to-ukraine-down-90-per-cent-in-a-year-report/

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/sorry-about-the-mistakes-friday-december

The news IS bad! Our morons in charge have no “plan B.” Their one and only plan is another 100 billion in round dollars — don’t ask how they calculated that — with no actual military battle plan to win the war or whatever the goal is. Vindman’s tweet was a deep-state hostage demand. In other words, cough up the cash, or Ukraine dies.

Allow me to explain his offer using an imaginary conversation between Congress and the generals on the Joint Chiefs of Staff:

CONGRESS: Boys, the news is bad. We are 33 trillion in debt. We need you to come up with a less expensive way to help Ukraine survive its war with Russia.

GENERALS: You people don’t know war. We’re the experts. How do you expect us to win a Proxy War without shooting cash at the enemy inside depleted uranium shells? It’s impossible! No plan B!

CONGRESS: Nobody wants Putin to win, but we do have some nine-inch, bright-red Jimmy Choo stiletto pumps we can give you. How about that?

GENERALS: Give us the pumps and we’ll think about it.