patrick.net

Yup. This will likely be the 'at least' scenario, aside from other partitions activities.

WookieMan says

Who cares? Choices were made by a lot of parties involved. Wasn't just the US by any means yet you keep throwing it on the lap of the US.

It IS the US. This war wouldn't have even started if the US didn't overthrow Ukraine, the overthrow of Ukraine caused the civil war in Ukraine. If the US allowed the Minsk Accords to be implemented (something Zelenskyy ran on and promised to implement!), this war wouldn't have started, but the US blocked it. The war would be over by now because of the expense, but the US funds it.

And this does NOTHING for the strategic interests or monetary interest of the United States.

WookieMan says

Ukrainian men are fighting a war. They could flee if they didn't want to. It's not complicated.

They have fled, the ones that could cross the border. There's estimated to be about 9 million men that have left the country, out of a country of 41 million people - that's 21% of the population. It's equivalent to going to Canada in the 1960's to avoid the draft, and people did that, and they are barred from re-entering the United States to this day. The border of Ukraine is closed. To get across it, you have to bribe your way, or sneak across.

WookieMan says

If Canada attacked my state I'd kill them and would join in. Whether Canada got money from Russia or China to attack I give no shits. I'll kill them if there on my land.

If any country marched into Washington DC and announced "we're just here to kill the leadership", I would go to the bank, withdraw $5,000 go to a bar, and start buying rounds.

Russia isn't interested in taking over Ukraine, and watch, they won't. The Donbas has been petitioning to join Russia or become independent because they've been in a civil war for 8 years before this actual war started. Russia isn't going to take over all of Ukraine, but it's likely the Donbas will either become something like S. Ossetia or actually join Russia.

They have as much love for their federal government as I do for mine. My federal government does NOTHING that I approve of. Nothing. I think it should be disbanded. We'd be better off if it was. Many people in Donbas feel the same way about their government because their government has been shelling them for over a decade. Fuck them.

WookieMan says

It's never been about culture. Russia wants warm water ports and something more than a bridge to Crimea. They want to shrink their Western border as well. Good luck, nuke time if they try to take Poland.

Yeah, nuke time if they do, they won't. They won't even take Kiev. They do want that warm water port. The ONLY reason Crimea was a part of Ukraine is the Khrushchev gave it to Ukraine when the Ukraine was part of the USSR and the USSR couldn't ever fall apart...

Khrushchev grew up in Kalinovka, Ukraine, not Russia. He was Ukrainian. You know where Kalinovka is in relation to Kiev?



WookieMan says

A hostile neighbor is one thing. Once you attack regardless of past circumstances, you are the fucktard. And that's Russia in this case. Not even debatable.

Oh god.

You know best. Tired of this "discussion".

I'm not defending Russia's actions, and I'm condemning US actions. I'll be clear about that. I have ZERO control over what Russia does, in THEORY I'm supposed to have SOME control over what my fucking government does, in theory, not really. Ukraine never had a chance in this war, it's a war that's just a waste of money and lives, it may lead to the breakup of NATO, and it will probably cripple Ukraine if not destroy it.

You watch. This is consistent with what the stupid Neocons do. They are COMPLETE failures in everything. They're fucking this up now. All they seem to care about is making money for the offense industry. No other consideration is made. Just failure after failure after failure, and this will be no different. The longer it's funded, the more money that is wasted, the more people that will die. That's all that this war is now, wasting money, and pointlessly killing people.

How much do the Neocons have to fuck up before even YOU recognize this is a fuck up? It was obvious to me back in 2003. With those assholes in charge we get garbage fucking drivel propaganda, and people like you fall for it. The stupidest shit comes out of them, and you fall for it, maybe not 100% of the time, but not 0%. What will happen is entirely predictable. Mark this post, check up on it a few years from now.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/tampering-thursday-february-29-2024?triedRedirect=true

First, longtime CIA watcher Mike Benz agreed with me that the 34-page Times’ article was an obvious CIA plant, but one paragraph convinced him the disclosure was actually just an effort to pressure Congress to pass the $61 billion Ukraine aid package by selling what terrific work the CIA was doing in Ukraine and how it needs funding to continue.

I disagree with Mike for four reasons.

One: the CIA could have much more easily assigned an attractive analyst with a compelling pair of visual aids to directly persuade Speaker Johnson (and anyone else in Congress) in a classified briefing without burning its network; it does that kind of thing all the time. Second, the CIA, like cockroaches, never do their scurrying out in the open. The network is useless to the CIA now its cover is blown, so there is no longer any need for CIA funds. Third, Ukrainian officials seemed deeply upset by the disclosures, rather than salivating over chances for a new plane-load of cash pallets. Fourth, though the reporters tried to squeeze the disclosures into a strappy dress, they wound up looking more like a balding, middle-aged, trans NATO general trying to pull off a tight skirt look.

Eww.

In other words, the article profoundly damaged the CIA. Presumably the voluntary disclosure caused less damage than the CIA’s enemies would have done.

Ukraine Is Fucked, kiddies.

Always has been...even when they were 'beating' the Russians last year.

The Russians outproduce the West in arms and men using them, period. They always were going to.

Russia has always relied on quantity over quality. It works for them.

Whereas, Ukey Naziland can't even pay their firefighters let alone soldiers. It is a total client satrapy w/o any sovereignty. There already is no independent Ukraine.

Fresh rape pussy for Russian POW camps.
...the ones that don't get blown to bits from arty.



Reporting for duty!

https://jameshowardkunstler.substack.com/p/the-blob-quivers

Did the Blob get vaxxed and boosted? Does that explain the severe neurological damage it displays now as its hologram of lies about Ukraine and Russia Russia Russia flickers out in the blinding daylight of reality. First, there was the gigantic New York Times article published last Sunday blowing open the decade-long secret shadow war by the CIA in a sprawling network of underground bunkers on and around the Russian border.

The story was a direct feed from Blob Central in Langley, VA, to Times errand boys Adam Entous and Michael Schwirtz, longtime RussiaGate hoaxers, and obviously intended to get ahead of the real news that the neo-con project to turn Ukraine into a NATO forward base against Russia has collapsed. Read closely, the Times story appears to be an effort by current CIA chief William Burns to hang-out-to-dry his predecessors John Brennan, Mike Pompeo, and Gina Haspel for the failed eight-year-long operation. Why? Because it looks like Russia is fixing to shut down the war ASAP, before its March 15 presidential election.

As it happened, Russian diplomats and Ukraine President Zelensky took turns visiting with Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS) in Saudi Arabia this week, sparking rumors that these were peace talks with MBS playing mediator. The situation is delicate for all concerned. Ukraine itself verges on collapse with its army decimated, its ammo used up, and its coffers empty, awaiting the $60-plus-billion aid package that is stalled in Congress, meaning no salaries for Ukraine govt employees and no pensions.

It’s delicate for the US because “Joe Biden” has declared our country won’t negotiate over Ukraine, despite the fact that there is nothing else to do now, or the end of the war will be negotiated without us. And remember, not many days ago Mr. Putin told Tucker Carlson that he was ready to talk to anybody. What this will demonstrate is that America has neither the ability to continue its proxy war nor the will or sense to engage in peace talks — all due to “Joe Biden’s” abject intransigence, and not a good look for someone pretending to run for re-election.

It’s delicate for Russia because such a humiliating loss for America could provoke “JB” and his NATO allies to some reckless and foolish act, say, sending NATO members’ ground troops directly into battle or a missile strike on Russian territory, setting off nuclear war. At the very least, the situation has already prompted the US government propaganda machine to kick-start Russia Russia Russia 3.0, the threadbare narrative that has been the accelerant of Democratic Party hallucinations about Russia interfering in US elections since 2016 — when it has actually been US spooks collaborating with a motley assortment of Ukrainian stooges, plus Marc Elias’s lawfare corps, plus the Intel Blob coercing social media to work its will. The majority of the voters don’t seem receptive to a replay of this scam but the US government is at war with those voters, so anything goes in the struggle to retain power.

- Alfred E. Newman for President

Russia has world’s ‘most diverse’ nuclear arsenal – US general

Washington desperately needs to modernize its own nuclear forces, the head of the US Strategic Command has said

Russia poses a serious challenge to America’s military dominance, Air Force General Anthony Cotton, who heads the US Strategic Command, said on Thursday. Moscow already possesses a nuclear arsenal that exceeds Washington’s and is actively modernizing it, he told the US Senate’s Armed Forces Committee in a prepared statement.

Together with CHINA, RUSSIA is swiftly improving its position against the US and its allies “in multiple domains,” the general warned, adding that the pace of these changes is increasing and is now much faster than that seen “just a few years ago.”

He pointed to a recent statement from Russian President Vladimir Putin, who said in early February that the Russian strategic nuclear forces had been “almost completely modernized.” The naval component of the nation’s nuclear deterrence triad had been almost 100% upgraded, he said.

“Russia is currently in possession of the largest and most diverse nuclear arsenal of any nation,” Cotton said, specifically pointing to Moscow’s Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missiles and brand-new submarines, also capable of carrying nuclear weapons.

The Sarmat ICBM was approved for combat duty in September 2023. Addressing the Russian Federal Assembly on Thursday, Putin promised to release footage of the missiles in their silos. One of Russia’s most capable nuclear weapons, the Sarmat reportedly has an estimated range of 11,000 miles (about 18,000 kilometers), with a payload weighing around ten tons. Other weapon types mentioned by Cotton included the Borei-class and Yasen-M class submarines.

According to the US general, Moscow is also “expanding and modernizing its nuclear options” beyond the classic nuclear triad. In particular he drew senators’ attention to the Kinzhal and Tsirkon hypersonic missiles, both of which he claimed could carry nuclear payloads.

More here:https://www.rt.com/news/593568-russia-diverse-nuclear-arsenal-world/

richwicks says

going to Canada in the 1960's to avoid the draft, and people did that, and they are barred from re-entering the United States to this day.

Actually...

President Carter pardons draft dodgers , Jan. 21, 1977
Jan 21, 2018The amnesty was meant to put an end to the bad feelings related to the Vietnam War. ... In the end, an estimated 50,000 draft dodgers chose to settle permanently in Canada. As Canadian citizens ...

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/21/president-carter-pardons-draft-dodgers-jan-21-1977-346493
I remember when this happened. A lot of people were still fighting the war in their heads at the time.

https://jameshowardkunstler.substack.com/p/the-five-fubars

The war in Ukraine. We started it in 2014 to mess with Russia and Russia is going to finish it. Who knows what our real motives were. A resource grab? A desperate ploy to erase our national debt by creating a global fiasco? Sheer psychopathic hatred of this Putin fellow? We can’t bring ourselves to acknowledge the failure of this ill-conceived venture. Instead, our feckless allies in Europe are foolishly rattling their sabers, apparently forgetting that you don’t bring a sword to a nuclear missile fight.

Mr. Macron in France affects to offer up his army for slaughter on the blood-soaked plains of Ukraine, just as the Ukrainians offered up a half a million of their young men so that Victoria Nuland could feel good about herself.

Or maybe Victoria wanted all those Ukrainians to die just because she hates them and the Russians too.

Patrick says

Or maybe Victoria wanted all those Ukrainians to die just because she hates them and the Russians too.

More likely to keep a corrupt Ukraine around as a grift laundromat.

Even Tucker Carlson calls out the retards pushing the "Nazi" bullshit claims made by Putin and his morons.

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Fridman specifically asked Carlson for his opinion on Putin's justification for continuing the war in Ukraine, which in part is to achieve the "denazification" of the country. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, who is Jewish, has repeatedly dismissed the Kremlin's claims that Kyiv's government is openly "pro-Nazi."

"I thought it was one of the dumbest things I'd ever heard," Carlson told Fridman. "I didn't understand what it meant."

"I hate that whole conversation because it's not real," he continued. "It's just ad hominem. It's a way of associating someone with an evil regime that doesn't exist anymore."

"I'm very anti-Nazi," he told Fridman. "I'm merely saying there isn't a Nazi movement in 2024. It's a way of calling people evil."
https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-throws-putin-under-bus-1874897

socal2 says

Even Tucker Carlson calls out the retards pushing the "Nazi" bullshit claims made by Putin and his morons.

So? How does it change the fact that Ukraine Is Still Fucked?

UkraineIsFucked says

socal2 says

Even Tucker Carlson calls out the retards pushing the "Nazi" bullshit claims made by Putin and his morons.

So? How does it change the fact that Ukraine Is Still Fucked?

Just interesting to see who pushes the retarded Nazi Ukraine stuff. Are they true believers? Putin loving hacks? Or just retarded?

socal2 says

UkraineIsFucked says

socal2 says

Even Tucker Carlson calls out the retards pushing the "Nazi" bullshit claims made by Putin and his morons.

So? How does it change the fact that Ukraine Is Still Fucked?

Just interesting to see who pushes the retarded Nazi Ukraine stuff. Are they true believers? Putin loving hacks? Or just retarded?

The azov brigades exist and it's not for outside parties to decide whether it's a reasonable request to reign in nazis or not, this is done during diplomatic talks seeking a peaceful resolution. It may be a mere tactic by Putin to justify his efforts or it may be a sincere concern.

socal2 says

Just interesting to see who pushes the retarded Nazi Ukraine stuff. Are they true believers? Putin loving hacks? Or just retarded?

https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/820132?ln=en

Hmm, who voted against it?

• N CANADA
  
• N PALAU
  
• N UKRAINE
  
• N UNITED STATES
  

HUNH. Russia (and just about everybody really) voted in the affirmative (or abstained) and the United States and Ukraine voted against it. I wonder why? Well Canada too, and Palau. Maybe I should look up Palau...

And Canada had that embarrassing incident where they praised a Nazi that fought against the Soviets in WWII.

socal2 says

Just interesting to see who pushes the retarded Nazi Ukraine stuff. Are they true believers? Putin loving hacks? Or just retarded?

Apparently you missed all the pre-war coverage from the NY Times, WashPo, etc. that had extensive reporting on the 'retarded Nazi Ukraine stuff'.

Reporting that has since been expunged, even from Lexus Nexus.

UkraineIsFucked says

She's cashing out? I mean why leave now?

Ukraine is fucked. She was one of the principle architects of this disaster.

But all she's done in her entire career is create disasters..

UkraineIsFucked says

Apparently you missed all the pre-war coverage from the NY Times, WashPo, etc. that had extensive reporting on the 'retarded Nazi Ukraine stuff'.

The same Liberal garbage that claims Israel is "genociding" Hamas in Gaza or that everyone to the Right of Bernie Sanders is a "White Supremacist"? I didn't believe their trash reporting then, and don't believe them now.

As Tucker said - the whole Nazi stuff is the "dumbest thing he has ever heard!".

BTW - Russia lost another multi-million dollar naval ship to cheap drones this week that was patrolling around the Kerch Bridge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTrj85LRly0

socal2 says

As Tucker said - the whole Nazi stuff is the "dumbest thing he has ever heard!".

Look.eveeyone! @socal2 is suddenly a Tucker fan!

socal2 says

BTW - Russia lost another multi-million dollar naval ship to cheap drones this week that was patrolling around the Kerch Bridge.

Even if this is true, WTF does a naval ship have to do with Ukraine losing a LAND war?

socal2 says

BTW - Russia lost another multi-million dollar naval ship to cheap drones this week that was patrolling around the Kerch Bridge.

RINO's lost a Nikki.

WTF is happening here. @socal2!

You have repeatedly shilled the Globalist Ukie Nazi Fluffer BS that Ukraine has a kick-ass military, that Russia is losing!

First Adviivka falls, then less than a month later Victoria Nuland the Hutt gets shitcanned..and now the Rag of Record by the Globalist Ukie Nazi Fluffer Elite is singalling that they are going to Afghanistan the Ukiies right up the ass.



Ukraine Is Fucked

UkraineIsFucked says

socal2 says

BTW - Russia lost another multi-million dollar naval ship to cheap drones this week that was patrolling around the Kerch Bridge.

Even if this is true, WTF does a naval ship have to do with Ukraine losing a LAND war?

The entire point of Russia is to get a land bridge to Crimea/Black Sea and resources. Yet they're losing vessels quite a bit for a LAND war. Again, Ukraine will lose, but Russia looks like the dip shit internationally. You don't lose your Black Sea Navy in a land war. They're losing piles of military equipment in a war against Ukraine. And sure it's a proxy war, but they decided to invade. I don't understand why you feel like they aren't eating shit in this situation??

Sure there were Western influences in Ukraine. It wasn't in NATO, and was highly unlikely to be. Finland was added to NATO since this shit started. That's a win? And by default once Putin gets what he wants he's CLOSER to NATO nations, again one with the longest land borders recently being added. This isn't a Russia/Ukraine war at all. Russia is losing it. Ukrainians are just dying more.

I don't care about Ukraine either way. No one war gaming this would think Ukraine would drag this out 2+ years. Russia is a paper tiger. They moved NATO closer to their boarder in a big way. The people of Finland are not idiots. They felt the threat was there enough to join NATO. They know their borders better than any US citizen. This is going massively wrong for Russia. That's not opinion. It's fact. March towards the nations with the combined military power that could wipe out your military in days without nukes.

This has been an unmitigated disaster for Russia from any angle you look at it. We fought decade long "wars" across a planet and Russia is still dicking around for 2+ years. #notwinning. We lost less in Iraq and Afghanistan during the same time versus Chicago. So it really wasn't war, more of an occupation and unfortunately some of our troops died. Not remotely the same that's happening in Ukraine and Russia.

WookieMan says

The entire point of Russia is to get a land bridge to Crimea/Black Sea and resources.

No it isn't. They did not invade Ukraine for that reason at all. They already had Crimea and still do.

WookieMan says

Yet they're losing vessels quite a bit for a LAND war

Soooo what? They can build new ones. Esp after the war.

Ukraine can not 'build' a new Donbas. Or a new Crimea. Or new 300,000 or so new humans within months to fill their military soldier losses.

Finally AGAIN. This isn't about Russia. Russia is doing just fine compared to what this is about: Ukraine.

Ukraine Is TOTALLY Fucked. Russia is not.

WookieMan says

I don't care about Ukraine either way

Riight. You just blast multiple paragraphs with conflicting rants that clearly proves otherwise.

https://twitter.com/geraldcelente/status/1764506623584973008

The_Deplorable says

https://twitter.com/geraldcelente/status/1764506623584973008

This guy is an idiot. Russia won 2 years ago... You can't be as wrong. This conflict goes on a decade from initial invasion. Dude has no clue what he's talking about. No one, and I mean no one has "won" a war since WWII. Even then it wasn't a win, just stopping the genocide of a certain religious sect.

The guy is smart in that he jumped on every podcast he can and then sell himself to give a 15 minute speech somewhere. No different than Jocko. These guys are slime bags that extract money from morons like they're some experts. I mean, do people really not realize this??

WookieMan says

"No one, and I mean no one has "won" a war since WWII."

Actually Russia defeated NATO in Ukraine and right now the entire Ukranian front is collapsing -
that is why Ukranian troops are surrendering and Victoria Nuland is resigning.
Bottom line: This is no longer a Unipolar world - that fantasy, is now dead and buried.

The_Deplorable says

WookieMan says

"No one, and I mean no one has "won" a war since WWII."

Actually Russia defeated NATO in Ukraine and right now the entire Ukranian front is collapsing -
that is why Ukranian troops are surrendering and Victoria Nuland is resigning.
Bottom line: This is no longer a Unipolar world - that fantasy, is now dead and buried.

The problem is the definition of war. This is going to go on for a long time. Isreal and Gaza have been at war for decades. It just ramped up recently. This is the type of conflict. Live somewhat peacefully, assault and pull back. It has already been that way in this part of Ukraine for almost a decade now. It only became news because Russia announced "military operations" in Ukraine.

Our media labeled it a war 2 years ago. So that's what everyone thinks. It has been going on far longer. And will go on far longer moving forward. It's not about Ukraine winning. It's about how long can the west use them as a proxy. Likely another 10 years. They were fighting when Obama and then Trump was in office in the region. This isn't a new conflict by any mean. And Rich, I don't care who started it. Russia was fighting with Ukraine before 2014. This territory has been a problem for a century. That will continue. Hence why we should decouple from the entire hemisphere. Which I think you agree with.

WookieMan says

"The problem is the definition of war."

No. Russia is gaining land and NATO is losing land. The Russian army is advancing
while the NATO army is falling apart and collapsing along the entire front. Denying the
obvious does not change the fact.

socal2 says

UkraineIsFucked says

Apparently you missed all the pre-war coverage from the NY Times, WashPo, etc. that had extensive reporting on the 'retarded Nazi Ukraine stuff'.

The same Liberal garbage that claims Israel is "genociding" Hamas in Gaza

In the NY Times?? Show it. None of the propaganda "news" outlets are in any way objecting to Israel. Show one

This is how you know your in the wrong side of this issue. The propaganda rags are on YOUR side. It's pretty fucking simple now.