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A Conversation With My Parents About Ukraine
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2022 Mar 1, 12:25pm 800 views 13 comments
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Shaman
2022 Mar 1, 12:33pm
Shaman
2022 Mar 1, 12:33pm
Ukrainians collaborated with the Nazis extensively during WWII, participating in and instigating holocausts and slaughters that included over a million Jews.
There are still tons of Nazis in Ukraine, particularly in the West.
This globalist war is being fought to preserve the interests of the world’s wealthy elite cabal. It’s don’t think we have enough information now to really know the causes or the goals of the involved parties. All we got is the wartime propaganda which is notoriously powerful. It gets people right in the feelz, and is extremely difficult to resist. Best weapon is information and debunking the fake news.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboration_in_German-occupied_Ukraine?source=patrick.net
There are still tons of Nazis in Ukraine, particularly in the West.
This globalist war is being fought to preserve the interests of the world’s wealthy elite cabal. It’s don’t think we have enough information now to really know the causes or the goals of the involved parties. All we got is the wartime propaganda which is notoriously powerful. It gets people right in the feelz, and is extremely difficult to resist. Best weapon is information and debunking the fake news.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboration_in_German-occupied_Ukraine?source=patrick.net
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Ceffer
2022 Mar 1, 12:38pm
Ceffer
2022 Mar 1, 12:38pm
Blue Pill to Red Pill requires a grieving process: Blue Pill denial and ignorance, then Blue Pill anger when someone tries to breach the denial with education, then Blue Piller attempts to bargain back into denial when anger and retaliation don't work, then depression when the Blue PIller accepts the 'new reality' and is forced to come to terms with it as a newly minted Red Piller.
You can see LibbyFucks in some of these Blue Piller transitional states. My wife and I were laughing at a knee jerk coastal LibbyFuck we know, who has been seeing a therapist since Covid Fraud, and who posts all kinds of strange virtue signaling shit on Facebook. He is obviously in a quagmire of confusion because he knows things are turning to shit in his liberal bell jar, but he does not know from whenst the shit flingeth. He is somewhere in a state of Blue Pill consternation over his thumb sucking, virtue signaling liberal comfort blanket and reality. I would place him between Blue Pill angry denial and attempting to bargain his way back into Blue Pill denial.
I think that is actually a positive movement. He probably has one of those ass wipe therapists who reinforce his wounded, victimized little feelings and does him no good at all.
These people know that there is something seriously out of kilter and wrong with the world. After all, they are trying to kill and enslave most of us. Even that dismal fact has to dawn on the most hardened liberal fool.
You can see LibbyFucks in some of these Blue Piller transitional states. My wife and I were laughing at a knee jerk coastal LibbyFuck we know, who has been seeing a therapist since Covid Fraud, and who posts all kinds of strange virtue signaling shit on Facebook. He is obviously in a quagmire of confusion because he knows things are turning to shit in his liberal bell jar, but he does not know from whenst the shit flingeth. He is somewhere in a state of Blue Pill consternation over his thumb sucking, virtue signaling liberal comfort blanket and reality. I would place him between Blue Pill angry denial and attempting to bargain his way back into Blue Pill denial.
I think that is actually a positive movement. He probably has one of those ass wipe therapists who reinforce his wounded, victimized little feelings and does him no good at all.
These people know that there is something seriously out of kilter and wrong with the world. After all, they are trying to kill and enslave most of us. Even that dismal fact has to dawn on the most hardened liberal fool.
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richwicks
2022 Mar 1, 12:45pm
richwicks
2022 Mar 1, 12:45pm
NuttBoxer says
Invite them to this board, and allow them to have an open discussion.
They shouldn't reveal their identities to us, and you should (as you should always), limit conversation between what you think is correct and think how they are wrong and talk it out. When people are in disagreement that means one, or both people either lack information or have false information in most cases. As soon as you start thinking "this person is unreasonable" you've hit an impasse. Stay reasonable.
They are incorrect about a government being synonymous with the people. We have an oligarchical dictatorship in the United States. It doesn't represent the people of this nation at all, or their interests.
What concerns me most about this conversation is that after two years of rampant lying and manipulation, they have for the most part, still not caught on. They continue to react instead of act, continue to emote instead of reason. And taken to it's logical conclusion, they will someday be dangerous to myself and my family.
Invite them to this board, and allow them to have an open discussion.
They shouldn't reveal their identities to us, and you should (as you should always), limit conversation between what you think is correct and think how they are wrong and talk it out. When people are in disagreement that means one, or both people either lack information or have false information in most cases. As soon as you start thinking "this person is unreasonable" you've hit an impasse. Stay reasonable.
They are incorrect about a government being synonymous with the people. We have an oligarchical dictatorship in the United States. It doesn't represent the people of this nation at all, or their interests.
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AmericanKulak
2022 Mar 1, 1:15pm
AmericanKulak
2022 Mar 1, 1:15pm
Shaman says
And thousands of Poles. They honestly believed the Nazis were going to give them Ukraine after it beat Russia, instead of sending them to the Mines.
Tens of Thousands of Ukrainian HiWis fought in Stalingrad for the Nazis. One of the concerns in Generalplan Ost was that German Colonists and Veterans would think of their servants and helpers as people, so they talked about drafting a fake retirement home to gas them in so the German Public would be kept out of the loop.
Reminded me of the Horse from animal farm being sent to the Glue Factory. "We're just sending Olga to the Retirement Home for Loyal Servants of the German Race. Now Hans, turn on the Zyklon dispenser."
Generalplan Ost planned "Hexagon" cities with spurs going out to farm market towns, an entire plan to particularly colonize the Black Earth of Ukraine with real Nordics, which they did NOT consider Ukrainians, not even "Galicians" to be.
Socialism, always figuring out who to use, abuse, and then lose. Holodomor or the Zyklon Home for Retired Slav Slaves.
Ukrainians collaborated with the Nazis extensively during WWII, participating in and instigating holocausts and slaughters that included over a million Jews.
And thousands of Poles. They honestly believed the Nazis were going to give them Ukraine after it beat Russia, instead of sending them to the Mines.
Tens of Thousands of Ukrainian HiWis fought in Stalingrad for the Nazis. One of the concerns in Generalplan Ost was that German Colonists and Veterans would think of their servants and helpers as people, so they talked about drafting a fake retirement home to gas them in so the German Public would be kept out of the loop.
Reminded me of the Horse from animal farm being sent to the Glue Factory. "We're just sending Olga to the Retirement Home for Loyal Servants of the German Race. Now Hans, turn on the Zyklon dispenser."
Generalplan Ost planned "Hexagon" cities with spurs going out to farm market towns, an entire plan to particularly colonize the Black Earth of Ukraine with real Nordics, which they did NOT consider Ukrainians, not even "Galicians" to be.
Socialism, always figuring out who to use, abuse, and then lose. Holodomor or the Zyklon Home for Retired Slav Slaves.
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RC2006
2022 Mar 1, 6:43pm
RC2006
2022 Mar 1, 6:43pm
AmericanKulak says
This is where socialism/communism inevitably ends.
Socialism, always figuring out who to use, abuse, and then lose.
This is where socialism/communism inevitably ends.
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Eric Holder
2022 Mar 1, 8:22pm
Eric Holder
2022 Mar 1, 8:22pm
NuttBoxer says
Not sure if serious. You didn't learn that in school?
Here's how it was done. First of all, in the USSR nobody could move around w/o so-called "internal passport". It was compulsory to always have one on your person and present it to the any policeman (actually called "militiaman") who'd ask for it. And ask they did, especially at chokepoints like railways stations, crossroads, etc. If you didn't have one you'll be detained until your identity could be established. And if you're a peasant, you'd be punished and escorted back to your village. If this sounds bad, wait, there is more: peasants weren't even allowed to have internal passports until ... wait for it .... 1974! The rest is simple: deploy the military to confiscate farm animals and stockpiles of food from peasants in certain region (which happened to be a majority Ukrainians at the time - 1932-33 - and place we're talking about) and they will starve to death. They won't be able to even relocate to some other region because see above - no passport. And even if some of them were able to elude patrols and sneak into to a big city like Stalino (now Donetsk), Kharkiv or Kyiv - no store would sell them any food because, again, no passport and no city registration ("propiska"). And no money, because collective farms didn't pay in money but rather in agriculture goods.
So this is your brief manual on how to starve a certain undesirable slice of population to death. Use it sparingly.
The first thing they mentioned was that the Donbask region was forcefully settled by Stalin in the 30's during a campaign of Ukrainian starvation. Because apparently contrary to what history says, Communists only starve some people.
Not sure if serious. You didn't learn that in school?
Here's how it was done. First of all, in the USSR nobody could move around w/o so-called "internal passport". It was compulsory to always have one on your person and present it to the any policeman (actually called "militiaman") who'd ask for it. And ask they did, especially at chokepoints like railways stations, crossroads, etc. If you didn't have one you'll be detained until your identity could be established. And if you're a peasant, you'd be punished and escorted back to your village. If this sounds bad, wait, there is more: peasants weren't even allowed to have internal passports until ... wait for it .... 1974! The rest is simple: deploy the military to confiscate farm animals and stockpiles of food from peasants in certain region (which happened to be a majority Ukrainians at the time - 1932-33 - and place we're talking about) and they will starve to death. They won't be able to even relocate to some other region because see above - no passport. And even if some of them were able to elude patrols and sneak into to a big city like Stalino (now Donetsk), Kharkiv or Kyiv - no store would sell them any food because, again, no passport and no city registration ("propiska"). And no money, because collective farms didn't pay in money but rather in agriculture goods.
So this is your brief manual on how to starve a certain undesirable slice of population to death. Use it sparingly.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2022 Mar 1, 9:18pm
fdhfoiehfeoi
2022 Mar 1, 9:18pm
My parents seem to think that starvation is an option under Communism rather than a way of life. As in only people in Ukraine went hungry, everyone else in the USSR was fat and well fed. Same for China under Mao, Cuba under Castro, etc.
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Eric Holder
2022 Mar 1, 9:25pm
Eric Holder
2022 Mar 1, 9:25pm
NuttBoxer says
Dude, do you even read? I explained the mechanism how Ukrainian rural population was literally starved to death to the point of some of them losing their minds and then killing and eating their own children. "Starvation" in that case meant literally "death from hunger", not "I didn't have a snack for whole 20 minutes" in modern American sense.
It was deliberate and targeted, not your usual "everybody goes hungry in Commie lands".
My parents seem to think that starvation is an option under Communism rather than a way of life. As in only people in Ukraine went hungry, everyone else in the USSR was fat and well fed. Same for China under Mao, Cuba under Castro, etc.
Dude, do you even read? I explained the mechanism how Ukrainian rural population was literally starved to death to the point of some of them losing their minds and then killing and eating their own children. "Starvation" in that case meant literally "death from hunger", not "I didn't have a snack for whole 20 minutes" in modern American sense.
It was deliberate and targeted, not your usual "everybody goes hungry in Commie lands".
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AmericanKulak
2022 Mar 1, 9:27pm
AmericanKulak
2022 Mar 1, 9:27pm
Eric Holder says
Some US States and Cities did a trial run with that just weeks ago called "Vaccine Passports"
Germany and Austria were at the point of forbidding non-Vaccinated Passport holders from shopping for food after banning them from almost everything else.
A Bill just passed that will enable all cars made after 2025 to have a remotely triggered off switch, ostensibly for Drunk Driving.
Our northern neighbor just froze bank accounts of peaceful protesters.
Everything you do is logged by Google or AT&T and sold to the NSA for years now.
The struggle is at home.
Here's how it was done. First of all, in the USSR nobody could move around w/o so-called "internal passport". It was compulsory to always have one on your person and present it to the any policeman (actually called "militiaman")
Some US States and Cities did a trial run with that just weeks ago called "Vaccine Passports"
Germany and Austria were at the point of forbidding non-Vaccinated Passport holders from shopping for food after banning them from almost everything else.
A Bill just passed that will enable all cars made after 2025 to have a remotely triggered off switch, ostensibly for Drunk Driving.
Our northern neighbor just froze bank accounts of peaceful protesters.
Everything you do is logged by Google or AT&T and sold to the NSA for years now.
The struggle is at home.
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Eric Holder
2022 Mar 2, 7:02am
Eric Holder
2022 Mar 2, 7:02am
AmericanKulak says
Yep, that's Commie shit right there. This is why it's important to know history.
Eric Holder says
Here's how it was done. First of all, in the USSR nobody could move around w/o so-called "internal passport". It was compulsory to always have one on your person and present it to the any policeman (actually called "militiaman")
Some US States and Cities did a trial run with that just weeks ago called "Vaccine Passports"
Germany and Austria were at the point of forbidding non-Vaccinated Passport holders from shopping for food after banning them from almost everything else.
A Bill just passed that will enable all cars made after 2025 to have a remotely triggered off switch, ostensibly for Drunk Driving.
Our northern neighbor just froze bank accounts of peaceful protesters.
Everything you do is logged by Google or AT&T and sold to the NSA for years now.
The struggle is at home.
Yep, that's Commie shit right there. This is why it's important to know history.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2022 Mar 2, 9:12am
fdhfoiehfeoi
2022 Mar 2, 9:12am
Eric Holder says
This is different how? Majority of Cambodian's who died starved. Majority of Chinese, starved. North Koreans, still starving. Venezuelans biggest risk - starvation. Cuba, starvation.
Oh yeah, and majority of Russians, not Ukrainian's, RUSSIANS who died under Stalin, fucking starved. But for my parents, and possibly you, Communist history is irrelevant. Let's focus on this one specific point in time, AND location, and fuck every other example, even the ones happening in Russia at the SAME TIME.
Hey, while were at it, let's ignore the slave trade STILL happening in Africa, and that went on for over a thousand years in Europe, and focus solely on a period of less than 100 years in the United States, that wasn't even widespread, even in the South, and pretend that's the only slavery that ever happened.
Sorry, but I can't stand manipulating, or maybe just ignorance of history in order to promote bullshit agendas.
Dude, do you even read? I explained the mechanism how Ukrainian rural population was literally starved to death to the point of some of them losing their minds and then killing and eating their own children. "Starvation" in that case meant literally "death from hunger"
This is different how? Majority of Cambodian's who died starved. Majority of Chinese, starved. North Koreans, still starving. Venezuelans biggest risk - starvation. Cuba, starvation.
Oh yeah, and majority of Russians, not Ukrainian's, RUSSIANS who died under Stalin, fucking starved. But for my parents, and possibly you, Communist history is irrelevant. Let's focus on this one specific point in time, AND location, and fuck every other example, even the ones happening in Russia at the SAME TIME.
Hey, while were at it, let's ignore the slave trade STILL happening in Africa, and that went on for over a thousand years in Europe, and focus solely on a period of less than 100 years in the United States, that wasn't even widespread, even in the South, and pretend that's the only slavery that ever happened.
Sorry, but I can't stand manipulating, or maybe just ignorance of history in order to promote bullshit agendas.
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2022 Mar 2, 4:27pm
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2022 Mar 2, 4:27pm
Per Joe Biden it's right here in case anyone is looking.
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AmericanKulak
2022 Mar 2, 4:33pm
AmericanKulak
2022 Mar 2, 4:33pm
Eric Holder says
If we fall, everybody falls. I'm not joking. South America looks up to us for sure. So did Hong Kong. Our liberty inspires others.
We need to be the City on the Hill, a shining beacon of hope. And the offshore balancer, the guy who tips the scales for freedom by being the arsenal of Liberty.
It's time to shut the gates and track down the Tyrants INSIDE the walls.
Yep, that's Commie shit right there. This is why it's important to know history.
If we fall, everybody falls. I'm not joking. South America looks up to us for sure. So did Hong Kong. Our liberty inspires others.
We need to be the City on the Hill, a shining beacon of hope. And the offshore balancer, the guy who tips the scales for freedom by being the arsenal of Liberty.
It's time to shut the gates and track down the Tyrants INSIDE the walls.
They also stated that no one should interfere in who develops nukes. And while I generally agree with that as a Libertarian, when it comes to terrorist groups made up of extremely angry, unstable Nazis(not speaking figuratively), I can understand Russia's concern.
The last thing they wanted to know why I hate America. Because for them, siding against the US government, even slightly, means I hate America. I first corrected them, because I've never said that. I hate American government, and Russian government, and almost all government. Not the people, never the people.
What concerns me most about this conversation is that after two years of rampant lying and manipulation, they have for the most part, still not caught on. They continue to react instead of act, continue to emote instead of reason. And taken to it's logical conclusion, they will someday be dangerous to myself and my family. They are coming around on some points, but at such a slow pace, and still with such reactionary, propaganda spewing hive-speak, that I have little hope they will ever understand the truth of the world they live in.
A relationship with Christ is supposed to enable us to see the truth more clearly. But if we allow moral corruption and socially acceptable ideations to replace God's teaching, the darkness of sin will cover our eyes as well, keeping us blind in the dark as if we never knew Him.
Pray for conviction, and revival.