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What do you think will happen if what you say is true and Putin is continually pushed against the wall? Do we really want to force him to use nukes? Have you thought this through?

FarmersWon says

He has no plan B.

What's his plan A, and who's word are you taking for it? Can you show me one single interview the iternational press has had with him, since Friday of last week?

It amazes me how every single last person who blindly quotes the MSM and the dishonest Federal Institution, every last lie told about Trump. And the when Trump is proven right, they just brush it off and move on to the next lies. They are running the exact same game on Putin. And believe it or not, what a gift to Humanity that it is, Putin fully understands, just as Trump demonstrated time and time again. The Truth, like creme always rises to the top.

Farmboy, you're going to eat these words, but you'll never come back and admit you were wrong. Before this conflict is over, Zelinsky will be exposed as genocidal maniac using the dishonest media and the Wests Pitbull state department to deflect his war crimes on Putin, while the Big Tech censors any point of view from the Russian side. Ukraine could bomb a hospital, a mosque(Nah just kidding the Ukraine White supremacists, never allowed them in their country, true story!) a School and an apartment building. Say that Putin did it, and there wont even be one single video, satellite images, or one iota of a shred of proof that Russia did it, and you'll just believe it, no questions asked.
Because that's what reasonable people do, they sit and watch one dishonest side rig it to the point that only their narrative gets out and any point of view to the contrary must never get out. Even if it's the truth.

It just amazes me, how some people can ask the guy with tape over his mouth a question, and they will sit there and listen the folks who put the tape there, answer for him.

No intellectual curiosity at all.

FarmersWon says

Eastern members of NATO How motivated their people are to go back to USSR model.

There in lies the ignorance of your world view and Historical knowledge.
NATO, US, EU, and pretty much every NGO is becoming a Socialist Communist machine, the likes Stalin, Lenin and Karl Marx only dreamed about.
Putin is more like Czar Nicholas II in all of this than Stalin or Lenin. It's about keeping the Bolsheviks at bay, while avoiding the politics that having those entities at their doorstep.

You should know as well as I do, that the Obiden administration would have Putin strung up on a muddy Jeep bloodied and clothes torn to shreds, as the mob killed him for the blood thirsty CNN cameras. ala Kadaffi under Hillary's SOS watch, Before Putin would have Zelinsky killed in the streets.

FarmersWon says

I wouldn't be surprised. Current world leadership is corrupt everywhere.
Putin is extremely corrupt serving oligarchs while average Russian is extremely poor.

God. That's every leader.

Modi has forced everybody in India to be a slave to the banking system. The largest denomination for cash payment is 5 rupees, isn't it?

Who does THAT advantage? The people?

FarmersWon says

Putin is extremely corrupt serving oligarchs while average Russian is extremely poor.

You've got it wrong Cowboy, look at the videos on Youtube where people went to the Russia Ukraine border.
The east of Ukraine folks identify as Russian heritage than EU geo politics. As a result Ukraine has never spent one single penny on those regions, other than putting up checkpoints and pill boxes, which they all fled when Putin showed up. To the delight of those villagers living at the border. The rest of Ukraine in the West is a modern utopia, that enjoys ever last creature comfort we enjoy in America if not more. They get to be white and proud guilt free. But at the border they are treated like cast away peasants.
Russia has poor as well, but the poorest of the poor, are just ethnic tribes and Steppes people who don't want to live modern. But you look at those people that have more access to goods and services and area able to eek existence out of their surroundings. They eat more than moldy bread and rotten cheese like the ethnic poor in Ukraine are forced to eat. The travelers I have been watching in Russia over the last few years, don't have to watch what they say like in China, NK, or even now in the US and Canada. The only time things get sketchy or hairy for them, is when they are around Gopniks, or Mafia types. Then they have to watch what they say. Sorta like if you walk down a Brooklyn street, you better watch out someone doesn't put a brick upside your head.

I've watched these travelers say everything good or bad about old Soviet politics and subjects, even discussing it with locals as they tour the country. The locals never seem nervous or put out to talk good or bad about the old Soviet. The older people wish it was back younger people curse it. No secret police to haul them away for wrong speak, like in China, NK, Cuba, Venezuela, Australia, NZ, Canada, US, they are fee to say what ever they want. Eveyone except Pussy Riot.

FarmersWon says

Compare with Poland and other NATO countries.
Compare Ukraine after it becomes NATO/EU.

No you're intentionally skipping over my point. Just LIKE here in America Democrats want a system where Republicans, Trump supporters, have no rights, livelihood, property, assets, or voting rights. Those in Eastern Ukraine the Eurosceptic live like they do, because the Pro-EU Ukrainians in the west, said. "Fuck you Guys, I hope you all choke on your own starvation puke!" What they have there, is still the same infrastructure and buildings that the Soviets built, the rest is dob and plaster huts.

I've been to the poorest of poor neighborhoods in Lima that would look just as destitute as anything in India. Nobody should be living like that in Ukraine, not if that Ukraine is being touted better than Russia, because Russia has poor people.

Putin talking about using nukes is about as believable as when your girlfriend says she’s going to break up with you if you disobey her unreasonable requests.

It’s like a guy on the freeway waving his gun out the window at you.

Putin seriously miscalculated, but he’s going to drag Russia down needlessly as he tries to revive the Soviet Union dominance of its neighbors.

He needed a time machine but he only has tanks and teenagers who don’t know why they are in Ukraine.

Javelin missiles by the thousands will take care of the tanks.

Air superiority can be taken away by NATO at will, but it’s not necessary maybe because airplanes can’t prevent the tanks from being destroyed.

Guys rooting for Putin need to put the bong down.

Tenpoundbass says

FarmersWon says

Eastern members of NATO How motivated their people are to go back to USSR model.

There in lies the ignorance of your world view and Historical knowledge.
NATO, US, EU, and pretty much every NGO is becoming a Socialist Communist machine, the likes Stalin, Lenin and Karl Marx only dreamed about.
Putin is more like Czar Nicholas II in all of this than Stalin or Lenin. It's about keeping the Bolsheviks at bay, while avoiding the politics that having those entities at their doorstep.

You should know as well as I do, that the Obiden administration would have Putin strung up on a muddy Jeep bloodied and clothes torn to shreds, as the mob killed him for the blood thirsty CNN cameras. ala Kadaffi under Hillary's SOS watch, Before Putin would have Zelinsky killed in the streets.

This is very interesting... The more I think about it you may be on to something... The war coverage has been very interesting. Not alot of combat footage. The Dems have been pushing for years that Putin is the devil. But is he really worse than Fing Biden? Bush? Obama? Trudeau? Facebook, Tritter, NGOs, etc.? I have done alot of business in Ukraine and Russia. I have found good people in both areas.

Something stinks here

clambo says

Putin talking about using nukes is about as believable as when your girlfriend says she’s going to break up with you if you disobey her unreasonable requests.

Did he say was going to use Nukes, of did CNN say he said he was going to use Nukes.

Remember Donald Trump's beautiful phone call and the stupid shit they said to distort it. Then the big tech censored anyone from speaking out against the official narrative?

FarmersWon says

Reality is it is not going well for Russia , But Ukrainian resistance is also taking large losses.

How the fuck would YOU know? I'm just curious.

There's still live webcams running on Ukraine, or at least they PURPORT to be live. Could be recordings. Who knows?

IF they are live webcams, the people milling about and driving around don't seem to be much concerned about the supposed state of war they are under.

richwicks says

FarmersWon says

Reality is it is not going well for Russia , But Ukrainian resistance is also taking large losses.

How the fuck would YOU know? I'm just curious.

There's still live webcams running on Ukraine, or at least the PURPORT to be live. Could be recordings. Who knows?

IF they are live webcams, the people milling about and driving around don't seem to be much concerned about the supposed state of war they are under.

This is exactly true. Pics have been out of context, videos turned out to be video games. With cell phones we watched Trudeaus horses trample Canadians. Live feeds everywhere. But here, webcams look like nothing going on.

The positive about this war is that it killed covid in the media.

keeprubbersidedown says

This is exactly true. Pics have been out of context, videos turned out to be video games. With cell phones we watched Trudeaus horses trample Canadians. Live feeds everywhere. But here, webcams look like nothing going on.

Just remember what kind of media we have:


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Nobody knows what is going on other than Ukrainians that are talking to one another, and you can be CERTAIN that they are being fed propaganda as well. Our news media is COMPLETE propaganda, and I'm mystified that people here aren't starkly aware of this after 9 months of peace protests, and the January 6th insurrection.

I'm surprised to see people here fall in line and go right back to believing our news media has suddenly become reliable and trustworthy again.

FarmersWon says

keeprubbersidedown says

This is exactly true. Pics have been out of context, videos turned out to be video games. With cell phones we watched Trudeaus horses trample Canadians. Live feeds everywhere. But here, webcams look like nothing going on.

There are plenty of real videos and 100s of thousands people leaving Ukraine as refugees.
It clearly shows that Russia is not able to just drive to city center and take over government.

Now exaggeration is always there, But You can put everything on bell curve and the center is much right-on-axis of what Russia expected.

While I appreciate your opinion. I’m not seeing it in real time like we do in the west or in Iraq/Afghanistan. Therefore I question…

In a couple of videos posted by the guy in the Kevlar helmet, he drove by an open field, with about 25 perfect armillary circular craters in them. The only nagging thing about that is, this Russian invasion, is nothing like the German invasion, where tanks were roaming over the country side, coming out of the woods and open fields. All of the tanks and convoys seem to be staying on the road. All of those craters in the field were just craters, no debris in the field anywhere to be seen.

As the media was showing the puffs of smoke off in the distance and the booms, for the benefit of the cowering media in their hotel rooms, also to scare some of Kiev's citizens to flee like refugees. It was all just hay and boyah, nothing but smoke and mirrors literally.

I really don't know what is going on in Ukraine.

It would take having some trusted friends or relatives there, and I don't.

My Polish relatives confirmed that there are a lot of Ukrainians fleeing to Poland, but beyond that, I just don't know.

Patrick says

My Polish relatives confirmed that there are a lot of Ukrainians fleeing to Poland, but beyond that, I just don't know.

They are fleeing to Poland for the same reason people continue to wear a mask and get booster shots.

The media is scaring the shit out of them. I'll try to find the video I saw a few days ago, and saw the do nothing craters in the open field. They were clearly done so people in the distance can fear that Putin himself is driving the lead tank to destroy everything in its path. All of the videos I've seen that has sustained civilian casualties or damage, the occupants of that village say it was the Ukraine gov bombing Russia after they fled, as Russia advanced in. Ukraine isn't really putting up a fight or any resistance, if there's really anything to resist.

What makes you think they are going to enter urban centers?

In laying siege, they will probably use artillery to a great extent before moving in troops.

It is not Russia that will lose badly, instead it will be the Ukrainian people.

If Ukraine does not surrender, its cities will look like those in Syria.

FarmersWon says

The 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics were the most expensive in history, costing an estimated $50 billion. This time around, South Korea has managed to keep the price down to $12.9 billion, which still overshot the budget proposed in their bid.

Yup then what did the West do? We went over there and laughed in his face and ridiculed every single thing we could find.
We did the same in Beijing 4 years earlier. But what we did in Sochi was embarrassing, it was constant petty posting on Twitter and Facebook every screw out of place in the whole town. It had been building years before that, Putin got no respect from the West and our official policy. We coddled Muslims that wiped their assholes with their fingers, and gave them more respect that we ever gave Putin and Russia. It was like the Cold war was over, and all of the sanctions were lifted but then we just treated Russia like some bitch, and shat on them at every turn with every chance.
Then when that Jive Ass Mother Fucker Obama took office, and continued the same shit. Putin thought better of it, why is the Weak ass woke snowflake West giving him shit, while they kept pushing their NGO's, NATO and creeping more into the Baltics.


Putin has already made his moves and play, it's up to Joe Biden to cash the check, Obama and Bush's failed international policy wrote. I think they have insufficient funds.

For those not believing that the Russians are going to shell the shit out of the Ukrainian cities you may wanna read this.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-officials-warn-russia-will-increasingly-hit-civilian-targets-and-seek-slow-annihilation-of-ukraine-s-military/ar-AAUwWiQ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&source=patrick.net

... and that's coming from the mainstream media

Ukraine should surrender to Putin's demands to avoid a humanitarian crisis.

Political leaders really don't care about the suffering of their citizens though. This war could get really long and drawn out with massive casualties like cities destroyed.

Misc may be correct about Putin wrecking cities in Ukraine.

So how does that accomplish his goal?

A thousand Javelin missiles make the tanks go away.

Tanks rolling down the street in the city are vulnerable, think Blackhawk Down.

Putin stepped into quicksand.

Misc says

... and that's coming from the mainstream media

Yeah, not worth reading.

If Russia shells Ukraine, well, it's nothing the United States hasn't done. Of course, that was justified...

It basically says that Russia is going to win with a huge loss of life on the part of the Ukrainians.

A) Cauldron Theory
B) Ukraine's land size is tantamount to France and Germany combined. Putin within 1 month will conquer more land mass than just about anyone in the last 80 years.

Misc says

It basically says that Russia is going to win with a huge loss of life on the part of the Ukrainians.

Doesn't matter what they say. Why would you believe propaganda sites like MSN at all?

You know for a fact that they are completely controlled by one side.

richwicks says

If Russia shells Ukraine, well, it's nothing the United States hasn't done. Of course, that was justified...

Is it possible to use hypocrisy as a weapon?

WineHorror1 says

richwicks says

If Russia shells Ukraine, well, it's nothing the United States hasn't done. Of course, that was justified...

Is it possible to use hypocrisy as a weapon?

Yes, looks like the Russians used DoD boiler plate, and just changed a few names around.

Before Putin invaded I was in the camp that this was all media hype. I did not see any gains to be made by militarily attacking the Ukraine.

Now he has Europe united against him and they are scared. That means they will have much higher defense spending and other countries will want to join NATO for the protection.

I think that Russia's nuclear deterrent will keep the West from militarily attacking Russia, but they will be isolated.

Misc says

That means they will have much higher defense spending and other countries will want to join NATO for the protection.

This is what the MIC wants.

The US has been wanting to restart the Cold War for 2 decades now. Well, they finally managed to do it.

Just as Generation X grew up with the CONSTANT threat of nuclear war, and the boomers did as well. It's a way to support the dollar by creating an artificial market for weaponry that can't reasonably be used.

None of this has to do with human rights, or human life.

richwicks says

s a way to support the dollar by creating an artificial market for weaponry that can't reasonably be used.

I don't know. It seems like a lot if it is being used in Ukraine.

zzyzzx says

richwicks says

s a way to support the dollar by creating an artificial market for weaponry that can't reasonably be used.

I don't know. It seems like a lot if it is being used in Ukraine.

The Cold War kept the dollar stable as the downfall of the United States was thought to be the downfall of all of Europe. It was extremely lucrative for the MIC.

That's what we are going back to. When the Cold War ended, the "war on terror" was invented in order to continue the scam.

The MIC creates conflict, because it's profitable. Above them are the central banks, and impoverishing a nation allows them to have absolute control over an economy.

richwicks says

zzyzzx says

richwicks says

s a way to support the dollar by creating an artificial market for weaponry that can't reasonably be used.

I don't know. It seems like a lot if it is being used in Ukraine.

The Cold War kept the dollar stable as the downfall of the United States was thought to be the downfall of all of Europe. It was extremely lucrative for the MIC.

That's what we are going back to. When the Cold War ended, the "war on terror" was invented in order to continue the scam.

The MIC creates conflict, because it's profitable. Above them are the central banks, and impoverishing a nation allows them to have absolute control over an economy.

I would not doubt this one bit. These people are driven by one thing and one thing only...G.R.E.E.D.

@FamersWon

If you are looking at US government/politicians as your moral authorities...may your God have mercy on your soul.

"Russia will lose badly" is the title. Let me fix that for you...

"All people all over the world will be negatively economically effected."

Can't wait for the Great Reset. /sarc

Misc says

Ukraine should surrender to Putin's demands to avoid a humanitarian crisis.

that is the most insane advice. If someone assaults you, don't fight, just give them all your money and beg for mercy!!!

$115 dollar oil and $4.65 nat gas must be killing Putin.

WineHorror1 says

I would not doubt this one bit. These people are driven by one thing and one thing only...G.R.E.E.D.

No, not quite.

Lower rung sociopaths are driven by greed.

The upper run of sociopaths are driven by power.

Bd6r says

Misc says

Ukraine should surrender to Putin's demands to avoid a humanitarian crisis.

that is the most insane advice. If someone assaults you, don't fight, just give them all your money and beg for mercy!!!

No, this is not stupid advice.

The only people that will walk away from the conflict in Ukraine that are in Ukraine are the US puppets.

Zelenskyy could have prevented this war quite easily by saying that Ukraine wouldn't be a NATO nation and sign agreements to that effect, and end the conflict with the Donbass. Ukraine is going to lose anyhow. Everybody that dies in this conflict died needlessly. Zelenskyy is going to walk away with a suitcase of money once he's deposed.

The end result will be a new Cold War, which is going to tax ALL citizens in the West. This is precisely what the sociopaths in power wanted. The only people who are going to be hurt by this is anybody that isn't a puppet, and isn't in power.