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Thread For Exposing Blatant Propaganda


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2022 Mar 11, 9:40am   23,300 views  250 comments

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https://spectatorworld.com/topic/two-wars-ukraine-propaganda-social-media/?source=patrick.net


Ukraine and the war for your mind
The conflict on the ground isn’t the only one — there’s plenty of propaganda afoot too

March 11, 2022

Deterrence works. Russia’s nukes are the only thing keeping the US from full-out war in Ukraine just six months after retreating from Afghanistan. The unprecedented propaganda effort by Ukraine and its helpers in the American mass media to drag the US and NATO directly into the fight has failed — so far. But the struggle — the one for your mind space — is not over.

To understand what follows, you have to wipe away a lot of bull being slung your way. Insanity is not the only explanation for Putin’s actions of the past few weeks. From a Russian standpoint, he is carrying out a rational political-military strategy in Ukraine, seizing Russian-speaking territory such as Donbas, demilitarizing eastern Ukraine by force, and most of all creating a physical buffer zone between his country’s southern border and NATO. That zone may end at the Dnieper River with a loop around Odessa, or it may end at the Polish border, depending on how smoothly things go on the ground and on what level of “back away” message Putin wishes to send NATO.

It’s unlikely that Putin is making the first moves toward some greater conquest. All the bad takes saying “if we don’t stop Putin now, he’ll invade Moldova/Estonia/Poland/all Europe just like Hitler” ignores that the German military in World War Two had some 18 million men under arms. The Russian army today has 1.3 million, the best of which are going to be in Ukraine for a while.

Every war has its “is the juice worth the squeeze” question. Is what you can realistically hope to achieve worth the cost of getting it? For Putin, that means solving his border problem at the cost of maybe a few thousand men and another dollop of weak sanctions. He understood the needs of Europe meant sanctions would never harm sales of the fossil fuels which make up most Russian exports. But nyet to Paypal for you tovarishch! Putin could also look to history and see how decades of sanctions have not changed much in Cuba, Venezuela, Iraq, Iran and North Korea.

Putin most importantly also knew NATO would not fight him on the ground for fear of starting a nuclear war. That is exactly what nukes are for — and is the history of the Cold War in a sentence. Having nukes allows a country to do certain things any way it wants because its actions stay below the threshold of risking atomic war. This is why the US could destroy Gaddafi and Saddam (no nukes) and why the US will never attack North Korea (nukes). Under US pressure, Ukraine in 1994 relinquished the nukes it inherited from the former Soviet Union, enabling the invasion here in 2022.

Being a nuclear superpower makes things easier; the US can fight all over Central America and the Middle East, and Russia in the ’Stans, Crimea and now Ukraine, and none of that is important enough for the other side to consider using nukes to stop it. It is not like America does not know how to step away from a fight which isn’t ours: Crimea, Chechnya, Rwanda, Hungary ’56, Czechoslovakia ’68, initially Afghanistan ’79, even to a certain extent in Syria 2016. Putin knows that. Biden knows that. NATO knows that. Ukraine, however, still thinks it can change the game.

Ukraine knew on Day One it didn’t have enough men or weapons to defeat the Russians. Its only hope to remain a unified nation (it is easy to imagine a divided Ukraine, Western Zone and Russian Eastern Zone) is outside help. A no-fly zone, some airstrikes to blunt Russian advances. Maybe some of those Polish/NATO pilots planning to ferry F-16s to Ukraine stay to fly them in combat? Something, anything.

That’s why America is being blitzed with Ukrainian propaganda, and your brother-in-law is ready to head to Europe with his never-cleaned hunting rifle. The goal is to change public opinion such that a weak guy like Joe Biden starts to doubt himself. The goal is get Biden to take that Pentagon meeting laying out options for some limited bombing, or to listen to those analysts saying the US could set up a small no-fly zone on Ukraine’s western edge to facilitate humanitarian aid. Drop in some Special Forces. Something, anything.

The purpose of the propaganda is to get Biden to sign off on something hopefully small enough that it falls below the threshold of provoking a nuclear response. A risky and delicate tasking. The bad news is Ukrainian propaganda is working. A non-partisan 74 percent of Americans say NATO should impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine. And that’s even as we are just getting started.

A quick propaganda recap. We’ve had the hero phase with the non-existent Ghost of Kyiv and the supermodels with guns. We’ve had the Russians-are-going-to-kill-us-all phase, with the faux threat of invasion to the West and the faux scare the Russians were going to create a Chernobyl-like nuclear accident by shelling a power plant. We are currently moving through the “not verifiable atrocities” phase. Alongside this is beefcake talk about Zelensky, the likes of which we haven’t seen since before the cancellations of Andrew Cuomo and Michael Avenatti. The fact-checking mania of the Covid era is in the dustbin of history as American media removes all the filters on pro-Ukrainian content.


The quality of the propaganda is not important (any scrap metal on snowy ground is breaking news of another Russian helo down, even if the metal has “Acme Junk Pile” written on it). The quantity is important, the attempt to overwhelm American mind space to the point where logic is shoved into the back corner. There is a growing cottage industry of “experts” explaining how to can go to war without going to THAT kind of war. Dissenting voices are few, and are often labeled as “Putin lovers,” with late night hosts hurling homophobic slurs at them like high school kids.

It all sounds silly when the effect of propaganda is to convince Americans higher gas prices are the cost of freedom, or booking an Airbnb they’ll never stay at will save Ukraine, or refusing Russian dressing on a salad. But it is deadly serious. There are two battles now playing out over Ukraine. The one on the ground — and the one on your social media seeking to drag America into the mud.

Only half a year after the sad ending in Afghanistan, it is stunning to watch America again contemplate going to war for some abstract purpose far removed from our own core interests. And this time it is the risk of a nuclear exchange to remind us of our mistake, not just an inglorious departure from Kabul.


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226   Patrick   2025 Apr 15, 12:45pm  

A Soviet and American professor find themselves sitting next to each other on a flight.

American: "Why are you coming to the US?"

Soviet: "To study American propaganda techniques."

American: "What propaganda?"

Soviet: "Exactly."
227   Ceffer   2025 Apr 15, 12:55pm  

Patrick says


If the hype surrounding this movie is to be believed, it will tell the “true” story of the American space program that put a man on the moon.

LoL! Compounding deceptions? If you believe that the moon landings were faked, where does that put the heroic DEI 'math wiz's'? The only thing better than a deception is deceptions layered on other deceptions and turned into popular mythology for the idiosheeples. Higher and deeper.

What Netflix hath rendered, let no sane person put asunder.
228   Patrick   2025 May 7, 9:46am  


When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in a rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less'

'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master—that's all.'


-- Lewis Carroll
229   Ceffer   2025 May 9, 9:24am  

Corollary: When a lie is sufficiently established (whether fake history or fake events), it can be used as if syllogistic conclusions apply to it (them), and it still counts as a Satanic inversion. Favored tool of politicians: the 'as if' extension of the big lies. They can appear to speak truth and logic when their whole foundation is presumptive lies.

The War of the Prebunk:




War of the Prebunk pdf

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/the-war-of-the-prebunk
231   Ceffer   2025 May 9, 11:22am  

We can expect the virtue signaling Satanic Inversion bullshit from Leo XIV in extremis. "We are going to fuck you in the ass, Republic, with every human criminal, subversive, militant, gang banger, rapist and Hun we can pour over your borders with our transport and credit card systems. We will call it mercy, love and compassion, yuck, yuck, yuck!"

https://t.me/tribunalsandexecutions/513057

235   PanicanDemoralizer   2025 Jun 6, 11:54am  

The Debt Ceiling is a fake Uniparty weapon used to stop reform and push renewing the status quo using fake time-limits before "Ceiling is reached" that don't exist
236   SunnyvaleCA   2025 Jun 6, 11:55am  

I wonder if Elon's little spate with Trump was just to reprogram the stupid to liking Teslas again.

On the other hand, the "Big Beautiful Bill" is a huge turd. Shows that even when Republicans can completely ignore the Democrats they still can't cut waste out of the budget. A Republicans any more financially conservative the Dems?
237   Patrick   2025 Jun 19, 1:26pm  

https://www.petersweden.org/p/proof-government-put-vaccine-propaganda


Turns out that government Ministers met with mainstream media bosses during covid to tell them to put pro-vaccine storylines in popular TV shows such as Coronation Street.

They met in secret with ITV, BBC and Channel 4, Channel 5, Sky and more with the government talking about ”national unity programming”.

In other words, they wanted mainstream media like the BBC to ”program” people into accepting the vaccine narrative. Incredible. I thought this was supposed to be a free country?

It appears that the infamous clapping at night to show appreciation for hospital workers was promoted by Channel 4 as part of the ”national unity programming”.

Remember when BBC claims they aren’t state media? Well, they are. And they push propaganda.

”What this demonstrates is that during Covid, the government reduced the broadcasters to mere arms of the state” – said Sir David Davis, former Brexit Secretary.

The weird thing is, this began very early on, way before the covid vaccines had been developed (at least from what we have been told).

Already on 2nd February 2020, which is long before the first lockdowns even began, government officials met with the chief at ITV where they had agreed to talk with them about ”vaccine messaging” agenda.

Wait, there wasn’t even any covid vaccine on the market yet and the lockdowns hadn’t even begun. Why were they discussing vaccine propaganda so early on? Something doesn’t seem right here…
239   Fortwaye   2025 Jun 23, 9:44am  

AmericanKulakMaximumTrumper says

The Debt Ceiling is a fake Uniparty weapon used to stop reform and push renewing the status quo using fake time-limits before "Ceiling is reached" that don't exist


you do understand how money works? they borrow it, pay interest on borrowed. creates inflation. we need balanced budgets, not irresponsible deadbeat spending.

generation that benefited from spending, leaving next generation with a bill. that’s asshole level stuff.
240   goofus   2025 Jun 23, 9:52am  

Blatant. “Khameini is the devil in disguise!” “The regime has murdered millions!” “Trump and Netanyahu are so courageous.”






241   Patrick   2025 Jun 24, 2:52pm  

https://www.thefocalpoints.com/p/why-war-propaganda-always-works


Especially in the male brain, the arousal to fight seems to originate in the same neural circuitry as sexual arousal, and the closely related desire of young men to prove themselves in the eyes of young women.

Shortly after the British government declared war on Germany on August 4, 1914, young women were deployed in British cities to approach young men on the streets and ask them why—by all appearances—they hadn’t yet enlisted.

When a German U-Boat torpedoed the Lusitania—which was carrying over 4 million rounds of machine gun ammunition from the U.S. to Britain—the British government created potent propaganda using various imagery of drowned maidens and young mothers clutching their infants as they sank to the bottom of the Atlantic.

In the United States, various parties who wanted American participation in the war—especially banking interests—published equally potent propaganda to drum up fear and loathing of Germany.

No matter how many U.S. military adventures abroad fail and are later revealed to have been launched under false pretenses, large swaths of the American public can be easily manipulated to support yet another foolhardy and costly adventure. Humans are absolute suckers for war propaganda.
243   Patrick   2025 Jul 8, 4:43pm  

https://unexpectedturns.substack.com/p/mind-control


I recently encountered this C. S. Lewis quote from his 1945 book That Hideous Strength:

"Why you fool, it’s the educated reader who CAN be gulled. All our difficulty comes with the others.

When did you meet a workman who believes the papers? He takes it for granted that they’re all propaganda and skips the leading articles. He buys his paper for the football results and the little paragraphs about girls falling out of windows and corpses found in Mayfair flats. He is our problem. We have to recondition him.

But the educated public, the people who read the high-brow weeklies, don’t need reconditioning. They’re all right already. They’ll believe anything."
244   Ceffer   2025 Jul 8, 4:46pm  

All of those LibbyFuck's ancestors who got their filthy lucre skinning, slaying and enslaving so the descendents could sit on their little tushies in privileged and trust fundy coastal California thinking they can keep it all weaving insane fantasies of altruism, welcome to the Visigoths.
245   Misc   2025 Jul 29, 9:57pm  

So, the press has been going non-stop Famine in Gaza. With withering pictures especially the NYT.

Oooops ! ! ! !

Like everything else that rag puts out, it was fraudulent. Don't get me wrong there might be some hungry people in Gaza, but super starvation level - Nope !

The NYT was forced to admit it fabricated the evidence presented.

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2025/07/29/nyt-admits-famine-photo-hoax-gaza-child-had-pre-existing-health-problems/

I mean this propaganda was so friggin' out there... France declared Palestine a Nation State and Britain said it would in September, if the situation wasn't resolved. Why don't those countries exercise their stupid laws regarding online hate speech ???? Tell the Socialists to put the fuckers behind bars like they would for people posting anti-immigrant stuff.
246   PanicanDemoralizer   2025 Jul 30, 12:03am  

Patrick says






And every "Peace" group loves the violent aggressor and condemns the country resisting it.

From Noam Chomsky and Cambodia, to the NYT's Walter Duranty and Stalin's Purges...
247   RWSGFY   2025 Jul 30, 9:57am  

Patrick says









Pick a George Orwell
to your liking.
249   Patrick   2025 Aug 5, 9:25pm  

Yup, it's all bullshit until someone is actually tried, convicted, and gets sentenced to hard time in a real prison without possibility of parole.

Not like Epstein's first "imprisonment" where he just had to show up and sleep in the jail now and then, flying to Paris inbetween.
250   PanicanDemoralizer   2025 Aug 13, 7:11pm  




Only about a week left for Trump to put boots on the Ground in Teheran!

Also, I ordered half a dozen Garlic Knots.

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